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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights







BALLOON:   Chrome Ballooner posted by: Tim on 1/7/2001 at 5:29:51 AM
I have just found a ballooner that is a woman's chrome 26" that looks as if it were a tank bike. The headbadge is missing and all I purchased was the frame, basically. The frame of the seat had a crash bar, but is of an unknown origin. It has schwinn bow pedals. Ser No is 2H51480. Can anyone help to ID it??? Thanks. Tim


   RE:BALLOON:   Chrome Ballooner posted by JOEL on 1/7/2001 at 6:38:43 AM
Search the archives for Sears Spaceliner and Flightliner and see if that's the one.

   RE:BALLOON:   Chrome Ballooner posted by Tim on 1/7/2001 at 6:48:37 PM
Hey Thanks Joel, it was a spaceliner.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Chrome Ballooner posted by aaron on 1/20/2001 at 11:17:47 PM
space liners are neat bikes, they can be found at many of the flee markets around here and I pick up several woman's space liners a year paying no more than $20 a piece for them. I have seen spaceliners in 24 and 26 inch frames. There are some that have chrome frames and some that have painted frames. There are a variety of tank styles, racks, colors and frame styles.






AGE / VALUE:   Shapleigh's Special posted by: Myra on 1/6/2001 at 7:18:45 PM
tryin to find info on the Shapleigh's Special bicycle. It has a kick stand on side and one to lift back wheel off ground(don't know what you call it). Has New Departure hub in back wheel. Rocket shaped light on front fender. Color are turquoise, dark blue(tank and fenders) with white detailing. Has th front fork badge(?) which says Shapleigh's Special in middle and St. Louis,USA with Shapleigh Hardware Co. at top. tires are 26x2.125" front and back. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Trying to date. Was told it was made during the 40's. Hope to hear something soon. Thanks


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shapleigh's Special posted by sam on 1/7/2001 at 9:56:54 AM
Myra,what you have is a bike made by one of the large bike companys that was sold through the hardware store.Most sears bikes were made by Murray of Ohio.Schwinn,huffy,d.p.harris,Cleveland Welding,all made bikes on contract.You will need to look at the data base(photos)to match it with a like kind(look close at the front sprocket,most coumpany used there on style)--sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shapleigh's Special posted by rd on 1/7/2001 at 6:00:27 PM
Sm i think you are right. i believe that was a dept store maybe out of St. Louis or around that part of the country.






BALLOON:   Re: Phantom Restoration posted by: Jeff in Minnesota on 1/6/2001 at 5:45:30 PM
Thank you all for the input. Hatcher Cycle is the restoration
company and the apprx. total amount of doing this would be closer to $1800.00 with rechroming
hubs and rims, recovering and painting the saddle, rechroming the crank and sprockets. I have seen
his work and it is beautiful to look at. I have not done any sand blasting myself. I intend to ride it for
MS rides as long as I am able as I have the disease myself, but am able to function pretty normal. If
anyone has used Hatcher Cycle, let me know. Thanks again everyone.
Jeff in Minnesota







BALLOON:   Earl;y 1940's Henderson posted by: Charles on 1/5/2001 at 8:50:00 PM
Does anyone have any information on 1940's (1942) Henderson balloon tired bicycles. I need old photos and/or a possible source for original parts ! Am I crazy? I have access to an original one in the family and wish to restore to as close to original as possible. This is not for sale so please do not ask! It is very sentimental.-Charles


   RE:BALLOON:   Earl;y 1940's Henderson posted by ChristopherRobin on 1/6/2001 at 12:19:14 PM
All I know about is the book by Pridemore and Hurd. Schwinn bicycles check local bookstore. Schwinn web site under colectors forum

   RE:BALLOON:   Early 1940's Henderson posted by ChristopherRobin on 1/6/2001 at 12:19:35 PM
All I know about is the book by Pridemore and Hurd. Schwinn bicycles check local bookstore. Schwinn web site under colectors forum

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Early 1940's Henderson posted by Franko on 1/6/2001 at 4:53:21 PM
The motorcycle heritage of that Henderson makes it especially valuable.

   RE:BALLOON:   Earl;y 1940's Henderson posted by sam on 1/6/2001 at 6:52:10 PM
Charles,check out bob's site your bike should look like one of the old 40s schwinns he has,compare.http://members.aol.com/bpjsales/bpj.htm schwinn made the henderson motorcycle and the bikes as well.--sam

   RE:BALLOON:   Earl;y 1940's Henderson posted by MNSmith on 1/6/2001 at 7:11:11 PM
What parts are you looking for?

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Earl;y 1940's Henderson posted by Charles on 1/7/2001 at 12:43:04 AM
According to my father the bicycle is a 1940 or 1941 year and it is complete except that the steel fenders are not original and the seat and pedals are not either. Also it is missing the "frame tank" and the original rims were chromed. The rims are not the originals. The frame, bars,grips, gooseneck, crank, hubs, skip tooth chain, seat post, forks and all bearings and races are original. The bike has been painted over twice(not professionaly). The current(old but not original) seat has springs with a tan vinyl cover in decent condition. I also have the original brass embelem with the Henderson logo(propeller and airplane nose). The bike frame including fenders and missing tank was originally black with creme colored pinstriping but I am not sure of the pattern. Any help with photos or parts would be helpfull as it seems a shame to let a piece of rare history go to waste.-Charles

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Earl;y 1940's Henderson posted by JOEL on 1/7/2001 at 7:03:13 AM
You have a fine bike there, well worth restoring. It should be the same as the Schwinn equivilent. But without the chainguard, tank, light, and fenders it may be hard to determine exactly which model it is.
The book: Schwinn Built Bicycles by Hurd and Gordon has catalog B&W catalog pictures and lists of features for all prewar Schwinn models.

A few suggestions... Try to strip off the top coats of paint and you may find enough original paint to use as a template to restripe it.
New reproduction parts are avalable from Maple Island Sales and Memory Lane. Used parts are not too hard to come by. Just run an ad here or at www.schwinn.com .



   RE:BALLOON:   Earl;y 1940's Henderson posted by sam on 1/7/2001 at 3:28:06 PM
decribe the frame.Is the second bar from the top stright or curved?does the fork have truss rods?(with eyelets made into the fork or not?)I think 40 or 41 schwinn used the chrome feather chaingard?(any comments?)

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Earl;y 1940's Henderson posted by Charles on 1/7/2001 at 4:55:39 PM
I think the bottom top bar is more straight than curved. The fork has truss rods that fit to a bracket at the stem and the axle (I think) by the hub. We still have the chain guard and it looks kind of like a feathered wing on the bottom side closest to the chain stay with all other angles being more or less rounded. Question.... can I just use new manf. Chrome rims from Schwinn and what about tires? I found a pair of original "chain link" blackwalls about 20 years ago by accident but they are a little cracked now, can they still be found new? What about a seat and pedals? Does Schwinn still sell these parts? Lastly the tank is the real hard item to find!-Charlie

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Earl;y 1940's Henderson posted by MNSmith on 1/7/2001 at 7:24:08 PM
Sounds more like a DX frame than anything else. It is also starting to sound less like a prewar Schwinn and more like a postwar Schwinn. When you remove the rear wheel, does exit toward the front of the bike or toward the rear? Why do you think the fenders are not original?

Schwinn won't have reproduction rims for your bike. In 40 / 41, Schwinn balloon bikes didn't have S-2 rims. S-2's came along in 1942. Drop centers or Lobdell's will work, depending on how deluxe the bike was. Schwinn won't have the correct seat or pedals either, if you are doing a true restoration.

Check out my website at http://www.concentric.net/%7Errrrguy/bike.html, on the front page you will find a straight bar Excelsior. On the second page you will find a 1941 Autocycle cantilever frame and below that you will find a 1939 DX frame. You will also be able to see the different type of chainguards. Let us know which your bike looks more like, it will be easier for us to point you in the right direction for parts that you need.

Also, if those cracked tires will hold up, why not use them. Put some air in and see what happens.


   RE:RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Earl;y 1940's Henderson posted by sam on 1/8/2001 at 7:01:22 AM
Nuttin like a good adventure!!We're gettin closer Charles.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Earl;y 1940's Henderson posted by Charles on 1/8/2001 at 11:53:15 AM
This is getting exciting! The bike frames, bottom top tube is slightly curved downward and the rear wheel comes off the frame to the rear. The seat says "Persons" Worchestor ,Mass. on the seat frame and it has a Bendix coaster brake hub but this may not be original.-Charles

   RE:RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Earl;y 1940's Henderson posted by Charles on 1/8/2001 at 12:19:32 PM
After a look at your site I think the frame looks like a prewar DX with the "wing" chainguard and extra "bars" mounted to a bracket at the neck and front axle. Again the rear wheel exits to the rear of the frame and has adjustment screws for alighnment or chain tension. The chain guard is simular to the Excelsior ladies model on your site but ours has a cross bar handlebar with black "coke bottle" grips. The fenders don't have that little sweep towards the back at the bottom of each fender. Any help you can give will be appreciated. I may be able to E-mail a photo if it helps.-Charles

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Earl;y 1940's Henderson posted by MNSmith on 1/8/2001 at 1:41:55 PM
Sure, email a photo. The front truss rods sound like they are post war. Maybe they were replaced somewhere along the way.






FOR SALE:   2 schwinn spitfires for sale posted by: chip on 1/5/2001 at 7:52:57 PM
I have 2 schwinn spitfires for sale.1 is a boys 24" red bike
it is in ok shape the paint is scratched up but it is not rusted up.The other is a 26" girls bike it has been sitting in a basement for many years,the paint shows some wear but not too bad,it also has a metal wire basket in front.Email me with any questions or for price.Thanks,Chip







WANTED:   Drop center rim (front) posted by: Bob on 1/5/2001 at 4:06:49 PM
Looking to buy a front rim for a J.C. Higgins middleweight. The original color was white with a red pin stripe. Must be straight and ready to mount. Thanks!

Bob


   RE:WANTED:   Drop center rim (front) posted by MNSmith on 1/5/2001 at 6:28:32 PM
Find any San Diego riders yet?

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Drop center rim (front) posted by Bob on 1/5/2001 at 8:16:26 PM
Hi, not yet. I'll keep posting the question on various sites and as well as asking around locally. Thanks for asking.
Bob

   RE:WANTED:   Drop center rim (front) posted by Bob on 1/6/2001 at 12:34:02 PM
I also am in need of communicating with anyone has knows JC Higgins bikes. I have just picked up my first and don't even know how to tell it's age or model.Under the cranksthe serial # is 257484. There are some smaller number grouping located in the same area as well? I was guessing prewar due to the drop center rims, and comparing that concept to my prewar schwinns, but I'm guessing. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Bob

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Drop center rim (front) posted by JOEL on 1/7/2001 at 7:08:17 AM
JC Higgins brand came along either during or just after the war. I have info to help identify the year.

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   Drop center rim (front) posted by Bob on 1/7/2001 at 9:33:06 AM
This middleweight really appears to be all original. Outside of the fore-mentioned items I would also like to note that the fender braces are not the usuall wrap around style associated with Higgins, but are inside the fender itself,and a no horn tank. It is starting to remind me a little like a Murray. This is getting really interesting.I love the detective work in researching these neat old bikes.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   Drop center rim (front) posted by Bob on 1/7/2001 at 9:02:12 PM
Okay...so here we go. This is only speculation at this point. After doing a little research, I found that the J.C. Higgins middleweights were at times made by murray. I found a photo of my bike in Evolution #1 on page 139. Now, with comparing that to a photo in Evolution #2 on page #105, I found a 1953-1955 Murray Aero-Line that has the same rear carrier as well as the rims. I'm still puzzled though, about the use of drop center rims in the 50's??? Any and all usefull comments are welcomed at this point.

Bob






AGE / VALUE:   Anybody have an interest? E-mail me posted by: ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 1/4/2001 at 9:25:48 AM
Latest fustrations from the very cold and very old, old bike shop basement are. Perry B-500 hub, Schwinn Traveler(world) front aluminum with the fin. only fronts no rear about six or so. Also some more that are painted in various colors. Morrow hub, disembodied pedal car guts, unknown Schwinn cranks, fenders stays behind three rows of bikes. It'll take me 20 minutes just to get at these and I don't even know what they go to, if anybody will ever want them, if they hold any value at all? Misc balloon fenders rear N.O.S. but what they go to I'll never know. Pedal car wheels, only singles no matching sets skip tooth cogs, more of them!!!! A ladies Dunelt, a Triumph ladies, a Sunbeam made by Raleigh it is badly rusted. Shimano bar end shifters with cable in the bag. I can't decide if I should move on to picking another place. Trouble is most all the cool places are already picked clean by the more agressave and knowlegeable vultures that have come before me.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Anybody have an interest? E-mail me posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 1/6/2001 at 12:23:34 PM
The braces are marked 24 and 20 inch. If there was anything else there larger I would have brought them home. I picked up about 20 sets of 20 inch braces also some 24 inch braces. Why didn't the makers stamp their names on these parts?






BALLOON:   San Diego CA Ballooners posted by: Bob on 1/2/2001 at 9:22:17 PM
Anybody in San Diego looking for another balloonut to join up with for weekend cruises? I don't know of any regular riders here. Post message or email me, Thanks.

Bob (sstbs@cts.com)







AGE / VALUE:   San Diego CA Ballooners posted by: Bob on 1/2/2001 at 9:22:17 PM
Anybody in San Diego looking for another balloonut to join up with for weekend cruises? I don't know of any regular riders here. Post message or email me, Thanks.

Bob (sstbs@cts.com)







BALLOON:   Black Phantom Restoration posted by: Jeff on 1/2/2001 at 6:05:23 PM
I am finally going to start restoring a '50s Schwinn Black Phantom that some of you folks out there may remember I rode in the MS 30/60 ride last may.
A local bike restoration shop wants $850.00 to sandblast and repaint it. He also wants $370.00 for a set of fenders (w/ headlight I hope). Is there any
alternatives for parts? Is Schwinn a good idea or anyplace on the net? I've got the bike stripped down to start the proccess. Any input would be greatly
appreciated. Please post or e-mail me if anyone wants to.
Thanks again, Jeff in Minnesota


   RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom Restoration posted by sam on 1/3/2001 at 7:05:48 AM
How did you strip the frame?--sam

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom Restoration posted by sam on 1/3/2001 at 7:17:58 AM
Hope you mean dis-assembled the bike.Sand blasting,scraping,Or sanding all cause damage.this step will affect the hole project---sam PS anyone who can ride a phantom in a road run can restore it too!!I'm sure I speak for all when I say we're glad to help.(take it one step at a time)

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom Restoration posted by jd on 1/3/2001 at 7:36:14 AM
So that's $1150.00 they are charging to restore this bike ??
Shop around dude. Try Pfeiffer Phrames, Cyclart, Nostalgic.Net. If you are spending that kind of $$, go with a pro.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom Restoration posted by jd on 1/3/2001 at 7:39:00 AM
Added that up wrong.

   RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom Restoration posted by jimmy on 1/3/2001 at 3:23:35 PM
there is a guy here in kansas that quoted me a price of 250 he does real good work everything is painted. contact gary at maple island sales he'll be able to help plus he has the parts you need fender set's are like 100.00 good luck big daddy

   RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom Restoration posted by avanti_tomf@yahoo.com on 1/4/2001 at 5:42:08 AM
The Memory Lane catalog lists these Phantom parts:
Front and rear fender, $170.
Fender Braces, $30

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom Restoration posted by Tom Findley on 1/4/2001 at 5:50:45 AM
Front fenderlite, complete $85.
Rear reflector, $30
If the painter can show you a job he did, and it's perfect, it may be worth it. Find out from another customer if he took the money for a repaint, and only started doing it after ? months when the customer asked for the unpainted bike and money back. That would be a painter to avoid.

I have gotten a few parts from Maple Island Sales. The parts are not Schwinn Quality, and I ended up replacing them. You get what you pay for.

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom Restoration posted by ChristopherRobin on 1/4/2001 at 9:40:40 AM
Ask to see prior work and ask the customers what they thought of the job. Tell them you intend to show this bike. Bead blasting can ruin fenders, go with a reputable shop like Cyclart.

   RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom Restoration posted by Jeff on 1/4/2001 at 2:59:24 PM
Thankyou all for the input. Hatcher Cycle is the restoration
company and the apprx. total amount of doing this would be closer to $1800.00 with rechroming hubs and rims, recovering and painting the saddle, rechroming the crank and sprockets. I have seen his work and it is beautiful to look at. I have not done any sand blasting myself. I intend to ride it for MS rides as long as I am able as I have the disease myself, but am able to function pretty normal. If anyone has used Hatcher Cycle, let me know. Thanks again everyone.
Jeff in Minnesota






BALLOON:   '36 Huffman Streamlier posted by: Bob on 1/1/2001 at 6:42:46 PM
I have recently aquired an interest in this bike. Is it difficult to obtain? Any collectors out there in the know?

Bob


   RE:BALLOON:   '36 Huffman Streamlier posted by Bob on 1/1/2001 at 7:56:27 PM
Misspelled. Should be streamliner.






AGE / VALUE:   Jim Huntingtons Swap Show Date posted by: Peter Naiman on 12/31/2000 at 10:23:22 PM
Jim Huntington is holding his show and swap in Monson, Mass on Rt. 32 at
Memorial Hall on Main St. Set up time 7-8:00am Date: Sunday February 11th,
2001
call Jim Huntington Days: 413-283-4113
Nights: 413-267-5230 Call up until 10:00PM
If not in leave a message and Jim will call back/ Swap spaces $20.00 call
early as this show will fill up fast. A Judged bike show will also be held
with awards given.









AGE / VALUE:   montgomery wards posted by: rd on 12/31/2000 at 12:23:18 PM
who made the Montgomery Wards balloon tire bike? I am not taling about the hawthorne but the one sold with the montgomery ward badge.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   montgomery wards posted by bob on 1/1/2001 at 6:50:56 AM
I think every Wards bike I have seen has the Hawthorne name. Their balloon tired bikes were made by several companies. Cleveland Welding Co, Rollfast, Monark, maybe more.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   montgomery wards posted by Gordon on 1/1/2001 at 7:08:17 AM
I agree Bob, even the ones that say "Wards" on them have a large "H" for Hawthorne.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   montgomery wards posted by bd on 1/1/2001 at 8:00:34 AM
Montgomery ward did sell a bike under montogomery name has alum. badge with M W on it. don't know who made it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   montgomery wards posted by rd on 1/1/2001 at 8:04:26 AM
That is what this one is has the M in the upper left corner and W in the lowr right corner and is alum. badged with crome fenders a torpedo fender light and balloon tires. looks like a 50's bike.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   montgomery wards posted by bob on 1/2/2001 at 5:41:39 AM
Are the tubes in the rear triangle sort of rounded? That would be a Cleveland Welding Co frame. What type of chain? Any other features?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   montgomery wards posted by Bob on 1/2/2001 at 9:37:26 PM
I picked up a prewar Hawthorne-wards and Did'nt quite know what it was for a while as it was sporting a front sprocket from a Hawthorne bike from 1900-1905, and someone put a shelby flyer badge on it. Anyway after fixin it up it really turned out to be a bitchen cruiser,as my wife will contest. She has taken a real liking to it, and claims it for her own. Oh well. the price of keeping her happy and off my back is worth every dollar spent.

Bob






AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer posted by: Gary on 12/30/2000 at 6:52:51 PM
I have a Western Flyer girls bicycle #OH594825 blue and white 24X2.125 tires front and rear has head light spring seat, luggage rack on back and basket on front, red grips.very good cond. I can e-mail pics if anyone can help me.







AGE / VALUE:   Jim Huntingtons Swap/ Monson Mass posted by: Peter Naiman on 12/30/2000 at 4:52:45 PM
Jim Huntington is holding his show and swap in Monson, Mass on Rt. 32 at Memorial Hall on Main St. Set up time 7-8:00am
call Jim Huntington Days: 413-283-4113
Nights: 413-267-5230
If not in leave a message and Jim will call back/ Swap spaces $20.00 call early as this show will fill up fast. A Judged bike show will also be held with awards given.