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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights







AGE / VALUE:   what year? posted by: jeff on 4/13/2001 at 8:08:36 AM
bought a old girls schwinn frame complete with tank,and skip tooth sprocket....head badge is brass and says"arnold schwinn.....packard.....on it....any idea of model and year?
i believe it to be a 26" model...thanx in advance...jeff


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   what year? posted by Joel on 4/13/2001 at 2:27:07 PM
I believe the Packard badge was only used before WWII. It was used on many models (I have a track bike that has one).






AGE / VALUE:   1970 Sears Screamer One posted by: Jesse on 4/12/2001 at 7:09:03 PM
I found one complete in fair to good condition, where can I find info. and possibly decals to restore bike
I found one in good condition where can I find parts , decals for restoring bike


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1970 Sears Screamer One posted by Cal on 4/13/2001 at 5:33:52 AM
Ask under the Musclebike topic. That is a popular model.






AGE / VALUE:   LATE 30'S WOMENS ELGIN posted by: MIKE on 4/12/2001 at 4:08:12 PM
HOW MUCH INTREST IS OUT HERE FOR A 30'S ELGIN WOMANS BIKE,NEEDS A COMPLETE RESTO BUT IS I THINK ALL THERE.DONT KNOW WHAT MODEL FOR SURE BUT LOOKES LIKE ONE IN THE DATA BASE PICTURES OF 31-40 ELGIN.HAS STRING SKIRT GUARDS.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   LATE 30'S WOMENS ELGIN posted by Joel on 4/13/2001 at 7:38:47 AM
Mike, there's one like it on EBAY in rough shape to give you an idea. I might be interested.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   LATE 30'S WOMENS ELGIN posted by MIKE on 4/13/2001 at 6:42:35 PM
I DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT ELGINS BUT I THINK THE ONE IM DEALING WITH MAY BE OLDER.SAME FRAME STYLE,DIFERENTHEADBAGDE,CHAINGUARD IS OPEN ON BOTTOM,FENDERS ARE RAISED IN CENTER THEN FLAT,NOT PEAKED TO A POINT.ALSO HAS FLAIR AT BOTTOM OF FRONT FENDER.BIKE NEEDS TOTAL REDO,LOOKS OK BUT IS REPAINTED YEARS AGO.IF I BUY IT IT WILL BE TO RESELL,I WANT THE OTHER BIKE THERE

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   LATE 30'S WOMENS ELGIN posted by JOEL on 4/14/2001 at 5:06:06 AM
Mike, I see one that fits your discription in the Elgin book in 36 only. Earlier ones are shown with the big enclosed guard (or none) and later ones with rounded fenders & no strings. The guard is a simple hockey stick shape. HTH (I would want the earlier type)

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   LATE 30'S WOMENS ELGIN posted by MIKE on 4/15/2001 at 12:53:23 PM
NO JOEL,IT HAS FENDERS THAT HAVE A RAISED FLAT ABOUT 1'' ACROSS THE CENTER.THE FRONT ALSO HAS A DUCKTALE LIKE THE PHANTOM.I LOOKED AT THE CHAINGUARD CLOSER IT LOOKS LIKE THE FULL GUARD,ROUND HOLES BY THE CHAINRING AND SHAPED HOLES ALL THE WAY BACK.IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT HAS NO BOTTOM,OTHERWISE IT LOOKS LIKE THE FULL GUARD.MAYBE SOMEONE CUT IT OFF.THEY DID A NEAT JOB IF THEY DID.I DONT KNOW,IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A SWALLOW,BUT MY PICTURE IS NOT REAL CLEAR.I DONT HAVE PICTURE TAKEING ABILITIES.IT DOES HAVE THE REAR FENDER WITH THE CUT OUTS AND STRING SKIRTGUARDS.....MIKE






BALLOON:   Silver King Photo Wanted posted by: Jay on 4/11/2001 at 7:46:26 PM
I have a Silver King frame that is broken at the seatstay lug. Seatstays are gone. I'm wondering what they look like. Did they bolt to the holes in the dropouts somehow? What size were the tubes? Any info or directions to a photo of the back end would be helpful. Thanks


   RE:BALLOON:   Silver King Photo Wanted posted by Joel on 4/12/2001 at 8:53:48 AM
I can probably provide a picture. Need to know which model.

   RE:BALLOON:   Silver King Photo Wanted posted by sam on 4/12/2001 at 9:35:19 AM
Does anyone have that great web site on silverkings!!Got to it once but forgot to write it down---the site had the frame brake down and a ton of info on silverkings---sam

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Silver King Photo Wanted posted by Joel on 4/12/2001 at 10:52:26 AM
I was looking for that a while back. I don't think it's still around.

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Silver King Photo Wanted posted by kath on 4/12/2001 at 12:08:55 PM
there are 2 silver kings in the picture database on this site

   RE:BALLOON:   Silver King Photo Wanted posted by jay on 4/12/2001 at 8:28:36 PM
It's a mens frame. Don't know if there are different models.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Silver King Photo Wanted posted by JOEL on 4/13/2001 at 7:45:02 AM
If it is like the one in the picture database, the seat tube lug and stays appear to be a single cast piece. The stays are flat and bolt to the dropouts.I'm not sure how the frames were put together. There's no apparent weld at the lugs.

   RE:BALLOON:   Silver King Photo Wanted posted by sam on 4/13/2001 at 11:20:41 PM
The girls model in the data base is mine.and yes the stays do bolt to the rear drop outs just above the tension set screw.on my bike the stays are cast.And for ya'll info,the frames on silverkings were bolted together from the inside with weges like the gooseneck is held with---saw that on the silverking web site--sam

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Silver King Photo Wanted posted by Joel on 4/14/2001 at 4:52:26 AM
WEIRD.






MISC:   Bendix 2-spd hubs posted by: Greg on 4/10/2001 at 12:13:23 PM
Does anyone know what the gear ratios are dor Bendix 2-spd hubs? I know they came in red,yellow and blue, but don't know the ratios. I know the blue is an overdrive, 'cause I had a 2-spd stingray when I was young. I'd like to build up a wheel for my track-bike if I can find one. Also, where can I find assembly/cutaway drawings for these? Thanks


   RE:MISC:   Bendix 2-spd hubs posted by MNSmith on 4/10/2001 at 4:31:11 PM
If I remember correctly, the red and yellow are underdrive hubs. You can see a cutaway diagram at my web site. In fact I have the whole Bendix service manual, with trouble shooting, for the automatic two speed hub on my web site. http://www.concentric.net/%7ERrrrguy/bike.html . It is in my tips and restoration section. I also just happen to have a yellow band hub on Ebay at this time. Just do an Ebay search on mnsmith.

   RE:MISC:   Bendix 2-spd hubs posted by TomF. on 4/13/2001 at 7:17:51 AM
The red and yellow bands have a sprocket/hub ratio of 1/.67 in low, 1/1 in high. The blue band hubs have a ratio of 1/1 in low, 1/1.5 in high. The blue bands also probably have 28 spoke holes drilled in them, and may only work with 20" wheels. The red and yellow bands have 36 holes for 26" wheels.






AGE / VALUE:   WTB SCHWINN TOWN & COUNTRY FENDERS posted by: Kim on 4/8/2001 at 2:18:35 PM
WTB Fenders for a 1954 Schwinn T/C tandem.

Thanks
Kim







MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Schwinn Sidewinder posted by: Jon on 4/7/2001 at 2:07:11 PM
I have a lightweight bike trailer that is great for hauling groceries and "free lumber", etc., but I needed a robust bike.
My nephew has my Schwinn Sidewinder which is too bad for me.
It has a five speed derailleur (a real granny low) and gussetted front fork! That
one-piece crank is tough, too. Has anyone heard of the "Sidewinder"? Anyway, I picked up a Miyata MTB at a thriftshop which has heavy tubes(lugged triple-butted)and a
U-brake under the chainstay, which I've been told is an "evolutionary deadend", whatever that suposed to mean. All I know is that after I reworked all the bearings
and brakes and chain...it is perfect for pulling the trailer
even with 100 pounds of gear! Why isn't Miyata a household name? I mean I've had bikes all my life and ride to work on bikes and this Miyata is one great bike.
LOL... I couldn't spell it right searching the web...myata(sp.). Great site, here, I learn a bunch of good tips and advice.
Jon.


   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Schwinn Sidewinder posted by sam on 4/7/2001 at 3:58:24 PM
Miyata may be a household word in japan.They been making bikes since 1890s,you should see there rod brake roadester.they also made frames for raliegh and others.






BALLOON:   Shelby serial numbers? posted by: Charlie on 4/7/2001 at 5:38:38 AM
Anybody have Shelby serial numbers? Thanks.


   RE:BALLOON:   Shelby serial numbers? posted by goob on 4/7/2001 at 9:31:15 PM
I have a list in a serial number book I got from meory lane that has shelby numbers but its not a factory list. Don't think I have ever seen a factory list.






BALLOON:   Swap Meet April 8, Swansea, MA posted by: Joe on 4/6/2001 at 7:48:02 PM
Sunday is going to be a nice day in the 50's plus. Check out our Spring swap meet. It is Free to vendors and the public, indoor and outdoor. Push, pull or drag it to the show. We want to kick the spring off with a great start. Email me for information. Email everyone you know... Don't miss it....







WANTED:   Charles and Sain Info posted by: John on 4/6/2001 at 4:38:31 PM
I am looking for some information on a Charles and Sain Special 1898. It was made by The Ohio Bicycle Co. Any Help on a place to look for info will help. It is a bike with a big basket on it. HELP PLEASE !!!!!


   RE:WANTED:   Charles and Sain Info posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/7/2001 at 10:21:38 AM
Be patient and keep digging and asking. I wish I could help you.Just don't let it go without you knowing what it is you have.

   RE:WANTED:   Charles and Sain Info posted by sam on 4/7/2001 at 11:19:58 AM
John , try a post on the hi-wheel and safty group(next down)bikes made before 1930 were usualy in that style.






AGE / VALUE:   monark silver king posted by: Greg on 4/6/2001 at 10:11:15 AM
I have an old ('36?)Monark Silver King aluminum frame, built-in lock in the head tube, 24" wheels. The saddle needs recovering, and there is surface rust on the rims and other chrome, but the fenders are stainless. Any one have any info on this bike (worth, production, model)? Thanx-a-bunch! My alternate e-mail is gkreski@ford.com


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   monark silver king posted by Hal on 4/6/2001 at 4:30:02 PM
Lots of silver king stuff in the archives






MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Girl's Tornado posted by: Dave on 4/5/2001 at 1:09:32 PM
I have what I believe to be a 1959 Schwinn Tornado.(blue) The serial #is A936021. I bought it for twenty dollars to use as a parts bike, but it is in such awesome shape- near mint- that I can't bring myself to part it out. It still has the original westwinds on it. Can anyone tell me what it is worth?
thank you, Dave Mika.


   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Girl's Tornado posted by MIKE on 4/5/2001 at 3:25:37 PM
IVE LOOKED EVERYWHERE I COULD THINK OF.CHECKED ALL OF MY RESOURCES,ASKED AS MANY EXPERTS AS I COULD.MY BEST GUESS IS ITS WORTH AT LEAST $20. MAYBE MORE

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Girl's Tornado posted by Hal on 4/6/2001 at 4:31:40 PM
Dave, ignore people like Mike...

But in a way, he does have a valid point. It is impossible to get any idea of a bike's value without a lot more information.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Girl's Tornado posted by Doug on 4/15/2001 at 1:26:22 PM
If it is truely original and very good condition I seriously doubt it could be mint but in very good condition these sell on e bay all the time for about 100 to 150 dollars

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Girl's Tornado posted by aaron on 4/21/2001 at 5:53:29 PM
I sold a really nice blue women's tornado one speed with the schwinn approved hub for $60.






MISC:   Coaster Hub questions posted by: P. Publishing on 4/5/2001 at 5:08:39 AM

Thanks for your great site.

A discussion elsewhere on this site about coaster hubs made me wonder about this. Here is my first attempt at it. I'm sure there are others out there who can correct me and fill in the gaps. This could be a valuable list of information when we're trying to identify and determine the age of a bicycle.

What are some of the different coaster hub makers, and what bicycle manufacturers used them and when?

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Bendix [made in USA and Mexico]
- Used on Schwinns from 1950 to 1970?
- Used on Others?

New Departure [made in USA](Models A through D.)
- Used on Columbias from 1930 to 1950?
- Used on Schwinns from 1930 to 1950?

Perry [made in England]
- Used on ? from ? to ?

Komet [made in ??]
- Used on ? from ? to ?

Sachs [made in ??]
- Used on ? from ? to ?

J.C. Higgins [made in USA]
- Used on J.C.Higgins, Sears from 1950 to 1970

Elgin [made in USA]
- Used on Elgins from 1930 to 1950





   RE:MISC:   Coaster Hub questions posted by Joel on 4/5/2001 at 10:59:49 AM
Good idea. Here are a couple more... Morrow (Eclipse Machine Div.), Torpedo (by Sachs I think), and Shimano in the 70s.

Also, New Departure DD 2 speed and 3 speed
Bendix 2 speed, 2 sp kickback, and 3 speed
Musselman 2 speed. JC Higgins 3 speed.

The Elgin and JC Higgins hubs were made by Musselman and I believe the air cooled shell was made just for Sears.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Coaster Hub questions posted by Kevin on 4/5/2001 at 11:36:49 AM
I haven't heard of Perry or Komet. Where they only on english bikes?

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Coaster Hub questions posted by Joel on 4/5/2001 at 11:53:17 AM
I had a late 50s Monark with a Perry hub (only one I've seen). Seen lots of Komet's on 60s era Murray/Sears bikes.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Coaster Hub questions posted by sam on 4/5/2001 at 7:11:49 PM
Perry came on a lot of Raleigh made girl bikes.and other english bikes also---such as Victoria Brand I think--sam

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Coaster Hub questions posted by sam on 4/5/2001 at 7:43:56 PM
Almost forgot to add--RESILION , used on dunelt and hercules and others

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Coaster Hub questions posted by Hal on 4/6/2001 at 4:32:38 PM
SturmeyArcher made single speed coaster hubs, too.

   RE:MISC:   Coaster Hub questions posted by Greg Groth on 4/6/2001 at 9:45:03 PM
I have also ran across the following:

Shimano 70's to present, I have seen D-type and E-type used on Schwinns. There was also a shimano hub used on pixies in the 70's that did not have a brake arm (.3.3.3?), instead they had a washer that locked into the dropout. The washers would fail and were the subject of a recall I believe.

Suntour - 70's - 80's Hub shell was internally identical to Bendix and could be converted over to bendix internals. Also only coaster hub available in 48 hole drilling that I am aware of (used by some freestylers).

Mussleman single speed - I worked on a Mussleman equipped Schwinn many moons ago, but can't remember which model, think it was late 40's.

NK (Nankai) - 60's - ? Used disk assembly similar to New Departure.

Mattatuck - ?

Elgin - ?

Hawthorne - ?

Styre - ?

Centrix - ?

Durex - ? (looks like a perry to me)

KT - Complete rip-off of Shimano D & E type hubs

Found thses dates for Bendix:
Bendix - 1946-1961
Bendix RB - 1961-1963
Bendix RB-2 - 1963-? (presumably replaced by the bendix 70)

The Bendix RB-2 is the hub with the familiar single red band. The Bendix and the Bendix RB do not have this band. but are similar to the RB-2. The easiest difference between the Bendix, the RB-1, and the RB-2 (outside of the red band) that I can see is the Bendix sprocket is threaded and held on with a locknut, the RB-1 is knurled and held on with a C clip, The RB-2 has the familiar three ears on the sprocket (also same style as the 70 & 76) and held on with a round spring clip (or whatever you wish to call it).

Book in my posession also shows a Komet and a Schwinn-Approved Komet hub, parts are not all interchangeable.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Coaster Hub questions posted by Greg Groth on 4/6/2001 at 9:49:27 PM
Looking again, I goofed. The Bendix appears to be chrome, and the RB-1 and RB-2 have the red band. (RB most likely standing for Red Band - doh!)

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Coaster Hub questions posted by Christopherrobin2@starmail.com on 4/7/2001 at 11:46:43 AM
Then also there is the C.C.M. coaster brake hub. Parts machined out of sold steel. These are interchangable with something I forgot what.

   Perry, Sturmey-Archer are interchangable posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/9/2001 at 8:30:32 AM
The Sturmey-Archer SC1 is interchangable with the Perry B-100 E- mail me your postal address for service sheet information also, I have N.O.S. hubs and parts.






AGE / VALUE:   Balloon Tire and Middleweight posted by: GLEN HARRELSON on 4/4/2001 at 3:34:56 PM
Thank you Joel, you were right I found the serial number on the left side of the wheel insert. For your information the Serial is F852481, if I figured right that would be in the 1949 numbers. Just guessing not to familar with this. Thank you for your information. Glen


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Balloon Tire and Middleweight posted by Gordon on 4/5/2001 at 5:21:51 AM
May 29, 1958.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Balloon Tire and Middleweight posted by Joel on 4/5/2001 at 8:46:47 AM
Agreed. Because of the location of the number, it has to be 58.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Balloon Tire and Middleweight posted by GLEN R. HARRELSON on 4/5/2001 at 9:00:03 AM
Thank you to Joel and Gordon for your information. I do appreciate it. Glen






MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Myster Bike Question posted by: Bill Chambers on 4/4/2001 at 10:17:02 AM
I am trying to figure out what this bicycle is:

http://www.io.com/tog/whatami.html

Help! Thanks in advance
Bill


   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Myster Bike Question posted by JOEL on 4/4/2001 at 12:47:32 PM
The frame, chainguard, and chainring look like common 60s-70s Murray stuff. Are the dropouts (where the back wheel attaches) pointy? The handlebar and light look like military bike parts. From what I can see in the photo, I would guess that it is a mutt. Where is it stamped Made in England?

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Myster Bike Question posted by Rif on 4/4/2001 at 3:03:10 PM
I really don't know. I agree that the chainring and guard look to be Murray.
I gotta say though, i REALLY dig that rear seat/ footrest set up!!! If you figure it out please let us know.
That extra seat and what not is just the slickest thing!
Rif

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Myster Bike Question posted by Bill on 4/4/2001 at 7:53:46 PM
Looks like the dropouts are pointy. Meaning?
There is a (looks like) "MOT" stamped there with the a "12****" and a serial number 495827.
Looks like we are on the right track! The lamp is WW2 British military, that I am sure.
Thanks

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Myster Bike Question posted by Joel on 4/5/2001 at 6:50:21 AM
The Murray cantilever frames have cool pointy dropouts. I have no info on serial #'s but someone may have decoded them ??? And I agree w/Riff...that's a very cool back seat. Is it home made?

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Myster Bike Question posted by Bill on 4/5/2001 at 10:53:57 AM
Then we have found the mystery bike to be a Murray, it does have nice pointy dropouts! The backseat is hard to figure, the metal work on the foot pads is nice with two curves and multiple mount holes, so I would guess someone made these in a "production" type aftermarket. It will hold another full grown man, have pushed 180lbs, with no problem (just dont try to go slow! ) The Dunlop seat is one of the nicest rides, as it is three vertical springs, but cant find anything that even remotely resembles it anywhere.
Thanks for the help folks!