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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights







AGE / VALUE:   Otasco Flying-O Pacer posted by: Jed Snarr on 6/8/2001 at 6:19:37 PM
Just bought an Otasco Flying-O Pacer. It's red with chrome fenders. Everything looks original. My feeling is that it is was a mass market bike. Anyone have any more info? Thanks for any news!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Otasco Flying-O Pacer posted by goob on 6/8/2001 at 7:16:22 PM
I think most were murrys. I have a J C pennys foremost and a flying O (Oklahoma Tire and Supply) that are the same bike with the tank light that goes past the head and were one says flying O the other says foremost.






AGE / VALUE:   Otasco Flying-O Pacer posted by: Jed Snarr on 6/8/2001 at 6:19:37 PM
Just bought an Otasco Flying-O Pacer. It's red with chrome fenders. Everything looks original. My felling is that it is was a mass market bike. Anyone have any more info? Thanks for any news!







AGE / VALUE:   Bring on the Next Contestant!!! posted by: Gary M on 6/7/2001 at 12:09:03 PM
Ok here we go again. just got a 26x1.75 mens bike, lableled
Standard on a fairly Ornate headbadge. ridged top fenders, lugged cantilever frame, 3 peice cottered crank, std chain, with rear dropouts, end pull adjusters. someone put a 40s style light backwards on the rear fender. the guy i got it from claimed it to be 1958, but the lugs, and 3-peice to me say 65 or so. all original, fair chrome, grips, nice riding bike. Forks go into an aluminum crown, similar to my Monark, but it may be a cap. Also got a 77 pixie today, whos kid needs one? blue, wrong seat, cheap.







MISC:   News: UC Davis To Create Bicycle Museum posted by: jj on 6/7/2001 at 7:49:00 AM
A University of California, Davis group made a special trip to Modesto last week to acquire a very old, diverse and rare bike collection that will eventually become the only bike museum west of the Mississippi.

Some experts from UC Davis recently uncovered a treasure trove of bicycles dating back 100 years and more.

They bought the collection with a grant.

They will fix the bikes and eventually open the museum, but it will take at least two years before it's up and running.

For more information on the project, you can call the UC Davis Bicycling Program Coordinator, David Takemoto-Weerts, at (530) 752-2453.



   napa wine cuntry has bike musem posted by nope on 6/7/2001 at 7:57:28 PM
pedals past in calestoga ca http://www.pedalspast.com/index2.html website is a bit weak






AGE / VALUE:   Fleet Wing posted by: Gary M on 6/5/2001 at 9:14:02 PM
if that caught your eye you may own one!! if so i have a decent head badge for you! Oval, the red is faded out, and its slightly buggered up from amatuer theft attempt {rookies!!} willing to trade for Lear Jet, or MotorSailor in the 80' range.








AGE / VALUE:   next Iron in the fire. Lets see who can guess this one. posted by: Gary M on 6/5/2001 at 6:37:18 PM
one of my freinds just gave me a frame he picked up in the nevada desert. its a camelback frame, dual parallel top tubes ser number is n 401664. rear facing dropouts with adjusters. the top rear stays form a point in front of the seat post and then the top tube takes over. there is a 5 point star in the center of the chainwheel, with a thin ring around it, and then 10 nearly square cutouts around that. has an L-rod seatpost, with a suspended 3 spring seat on it. i am going to paint this up, hang some cool stuff on it, and put it on the roof of my shop, i am sure the frame is unsafe, although i intend to ride it first. anyone ever seen such an animal with a name on it?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   next Iron in the fire. Lets see who can guess this one. posted by Carl on 6/6/2001 at 4:59:34 AM
Are the top tubes horizontal (next to each other) or vertical (one over the other)?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   next Iron in the fire. Lets see who can guess this one. posted by JOEL on 6/6/2001 at 8:05:53 AM
That kinda sounds like an Elgin Falcon/Blackhawk frame. Hard to say without seeing it but it could be valuable.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   next Iron in the fire. Lets see who can guess this one. posted by Gary M on 6/6/2001 at 8:19:18 AM
they are one on top of each other. its only surface rust, so it may not be unrideable. it has the remains of red paint on it. the second tube is about 3 fingers below the top. i really want to fix this one up, even just for an advertising prop.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   next Iron in the fire. Lets see who can guess this one. posted by JOEL on 6/6/2001 at 10:03:45 AM
Nope, scratch that.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   next Iron in the fire. Lets see who can guess this one. posted by sam on 6/6/2001 at 7:53:17 PM
The L seatpost leads me to beleave 1920s bike(maybe elgin as joel said only earler)most likely a 28" wheel bike--sam

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   next Iron in the fire. Lets see who can guess this one. posted by Jim on 6/15/2001 at 3:40:35 AM
Sounds like a 30's Shelby Frame






AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Spitfire posted by: Eric Law. on 6/5/2001 at 4:39:07 PM
Hi i just got a 51 spitfire does anyone know if they came with chrome or painted fenders, the bike color is a reddish brown, and some one put ballooner roadmaster or columbia fenders on it,,, Thanks Eric,


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Spitfire posted by sam on 6/5/2001 at 5:36:09 PM
finders should be painted---sam






AGE / VALUE:   Monark Rocket posted by: Tabitha on 6/4/2001 at 5:20:04 PM
Okay. My dad is giving me his old Monark Rocket--late 40's/early 50's--we're not sure. I would like any and all info/help/etc. I can get on this. I don't have it in my hot little hands yet, but as soon as my sister can drive it over in her van, it's mine. (won't fit in my car, and it's an old Caprice Classic!) Anywho, I'm really getting excited about this, and would love any tips or tricks in restoring and tracking down info that y'all can give me. Thanks a heap!







AGE / VALUE:   50s Ladies Monark Silver King/ posted by: Gary M on 6/4/2001 at 1:57:49 PM
Just got in a Early-mid fifties Ladies Monark Silver King has delta ray, rear rack, springer, all original, chrome bad. any dating methods for these? 2.125 tires, double row teardrop sprocket. now i am looking for a Mens Silver King aluminum frame to hang these goodies onto.







AGE / VALUE:   Belknap Blue Grass posted by: Mark on 6/4/2001 at 8:40:01 AM
Hello!
Just this past weekend I became the proud owner of a Belknap Mfg Co. Bluegrass bicycle. I have no idea its age and would like to know. The frame is a camelback style, red with white trim (fenders included). Other than that there are no other distinguishing features on the bike.

Anyone know anything about old Belknap bicycles or where I could find some info on them?

Thanks!

Mark


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Belknap Blue Grass posted by kath on 6/5/2001 at 5:28:02 AM
There's a Belknap in the picture database.
Also try searching the archives.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Belknap Blue Grass posted by sam on 6/5/2001 at 11:39:32 AM
Mark, Belknap wes a large hardware chain that sold everything just like sears did.closed in the 80s I think.Your bike could have been made by anyone--sam

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Belknap Blue Grass posted by ken on 6/5/2001 at 12:51:16 PM
Yup, I've got a Bellknap Bluegrass pocket knife. Louisville, KY I think.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Belknap Blue Grass posted by mark on 6/5/2001 at 5:06:20 PM
Thanks for the replies!

Using the picture in the database (thanks kath!) leads me to believe that the bike is of a similar age. Anyone know how long they made the camelback style frame (see pic database for an example)?

Louisville, Ky is where the company was based, says right on the badge of the bike.






AGE / VALUE:   thanks Goob posted by: Bud on 6/4/2001 at 2:36:46 AM
Thanks for the quick answer to my post Goob.







AGE / VALUE:   HELP! Brainteasers for all!!! posted by: Scotty on 6/3/2001 at 7:22:18 PM
Okay, I'm done buying bikes for awhile! (at least until next weeks garage sales start) I need help with identifying and placing a value on the 3 bikes I bought this weekend, and then the fun part of the mystery...firstly, I believe that I have identified the Schwinn, ser#M415424 as a 1964 Schwinn Breeze (ladies), all I need there is a value and confirmation that I have I'ded it properly, since i am new at this.
Secondly, (being new at this), I was always under the impression that 3-speeds started in the '70's, so when I gave $5 for the ladies Columbia Sports III, I figured that I was getting an earlu '70's bike, even though the painted fenders had a cool little raised ridge running down the middle of each. When I got home I checked the Columbia chart, and found that (ser# R169704) it was either a 1950, or 1966. (VERY heavily leaning toward 1966 here!) The bike is medium teal, with a badge on the headpipe that reads "Clipper by Columbia" and the 3-speed selector is a Sturmey Archer made in England. The chainguard reads Columbia Sports III. These are my questions about this one:
When did Columbia start making 3-speeds? and is a 66 rare? Did someone convert this to a 3-speed or did Columbia use Sturmer Archer? What is the value range of this one? More on the Columbia later...
The third bike is an enigma, but I just had to get it, because it just looked right-sadly I can't find a frame number, and I will probably just have to run a picture when I get one, but the frame is a Huffy Eldorado, the bars are Huffy, at least one rim is Schwinn, and I suspicion that the fenders are as well, the seat is aftermarket, and the bike is a 24" The chainguard runs straight down the length of the chain, and out past the front of the sprocket by about 2", there is no curve down around the front of the sprocket, the original paint is a rust/maroon color, and reads "Eldorado". I was just wondering when Huffy made the Eldorado, where to look for the ser.# (it is possibly covered up by the lovely brush coat of Sears latex light blue), and what year this may be, if it has any value should I spend the rest of my life hunting the original parts, or should I just continue this cool looking menagerie of odds and ends?
Now for the mystery of the burried treasure on the Columbia. The real reason I bought the Columbia is that it has a childs seat that I have never seen before, though I figure that you folks will recognize it right off- It is made by Schwinn, has a vinly pad insert, and a fold down steel frame. It has little metal foot rungs. The metal armrails curve forward, and fold down when the back of the seat folds forward. the whole thing is black, and the sideplates, which sort of skirt the rear wheels, read Schwinn in block letters. I had already bought the Breeze, and thought that this seat would look great on it. So here are the questions about the seat: About what year is it(range)? Does it have any value? If I am right about the Breeze being a '64, would I be correct in installing this seat on it, for the time period involved, or should I wait for another Schwinn to cross my path? As I said, I am new to this, but I have never seen one of these before, and am very curious. Thank you all so much. I really enjoy this page, and it has helped me alot so far!
Scotty


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP! Brainteasers for all!!! posted by Chris on 6/4/2001 at 8:21:38 AM
The serial number on your Huffy Eldorado should be on the left rear dropout (where the rear wheel attaches, on the left side). Based on your description of the chainguard, the bike is a 64 or newer. I don't know what years the Eldorado was offered, but it was at least 1960-1965. Since you said the bike was originally a reddish color, my guess is 64, as the 64 Eldorados were flamboyant red, and the 65's were gold (boy's models, anyway). When you find the serial number, the first digit should tell you the year (4 = 1964, 5 = 1965, etc). On you Columbia, the rear hub should have a year stamped into it, if it is the original Sturmey-Archer hub. Just clean the outside of the rear hub, and the month and year should be visible.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP! Brainteasers for all!!! posted by kath on 6/5/2001 at 5:32:08 AM
Sturmey-Archer 3-speed hubs have been made since before WWII.

There is a Huffy Eldorado in the picture database and the stat database.






AGE / VALUE:   My Mystery Bike posted by: bud on 6/3/2001 at 6:16:14 PM
Just by absorbing the wealth of knowledge on this site I was surfing Ebay and found a Ross super deluxe bike. Mine is in no where near the shape this on is, but the tank and frame are VERY similar, although mine semms older. I think I am on to something....?
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1149719886 is the page with this Ross.







AGE / VALUE:   Firestone, Schwinn, Mystery?? posted by: Bud on 6/3/2001 at 4:47:32 PM
I paid $50.00 for a Schwinn Spitfire middleweight and Firestone 500 middleweight girls bicycles I ask the great minds of this site to help me decode the numbers I found on the frame near the sprocket on the rear wheel. The #'s are as follows;
Schwinn- D142277 <-- That is the only one I can find on the bike.
Firestone- A227339
(SE) <-- the letters are in a circle
4 <-- off to the right by itself
** The Firestone 500 has a light mounted on the front fender- slim and square-like it has 'delta wasp' stamped on top**
Both bicycles are in fair condition (to my untrained eye). They are slighty rusty with typical dents and scratches of bicycles that were used, not babied.
The Schwinn has no tank, original paint (mostly white with lavender accents). The Firestone 500 is original also being mainly an aqua (?) greenish color. It has a tank
The great mystery bicycle I have(actually two of the same bicycle) has no markings or badges other than these numbers in the same location as the others;
MOW <--On the left side of the slot.
50X28 <-- On right side of slot.
???516 <-- little further right, '?'
meaning the serial is unledgible.
Perry B-100 on the brake attaching to the frame.
This Mystery bike is a little worse than the other two. It has a tank with two lights that extend past the fork tube with a center 'nose' extending about 1/2 inch further than the bulbs. The frame has two arching down tubes like a mens Schwinn. There are two tubes ontop also, same diameter. Paint looks original- mainly black, tank is red. Headlight area is chromed plastic. The seat is not like anyother I have seen. It has a word stamped on the back under the springs where a 1/4 frame-like supports the- TROXLE. Does this mean anything?
Now that my 'novel' is done I hope any one can help. I am only interested in the history of the bikes any idea of worth is just extra. Thanks


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Firestone, Schwinn, Mystery?? posted by goob on 6/3/2001 at 6:28:27 PM
your schwinn is a april 25, 61 model. I don't know of a listing for firestone.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Firestone, Schwinn, Mystery?? posted by Doug on 6/6/2001 at 5:39:31 PM
The mystery bike if its red or blue could be a Sears 60,s vintage apic would help can you describe what the head badge may have looked like is ther a shadow left by it?on the head tube?






AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN S-7 WHEEL W/ PERRY HUB FOR SALE. SEE WANTED/FOR SALE SECTION posted by: Kevin on 6/3/2001 at 8:12:02 AM
See wanted/for sale section