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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights







MISC:   Skiptooth sprockets available? posted by: Mark on 12/2/2002 at 9:06:00 PM
Hi All,

I am in the process of building a bike and was wondering if there are any skip tooth sprockets available that fit on new coaster brake wheels. The bike that I have does not have wheels so I was going to buy a new set. The bike was originally a skip tooth and I would like to keep it that way. Does anyone seel skip tooth sprockets that I could swap with the regular sprocket that comes with the wheel?

Thanks in advance!

Mark


   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Skiptooth sprockets available? posted by Chris on 12/14/2002 at 7:49:39 PM
Diamond Chain Company is still in business and if you contact them with the size thay should be able to help you. Think outside the box!

   RE:MISC:   Skiptooth sprockets available? posted by sam on 12/4/2002 at 3:26:05 PM
Mark,the best bet would be to get a skip tooth hub like a new departure and have it laced into your new wheels.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Skiptooth sprockets available? posted by Cal on 12/6/2002 at 3:05:17 PM
I've always thought it would be cool to build a custom with no chain guard and a chrome-plated skip tooth sprocket. I understand the chains are real hard to find, and expensive when you do find one.






AGE / VALUE:   1890's women's Eclipse posted by: casey on 12/2/2002 at 6:24:14 PM
I recently bought a 1890's Elipse. It appears to be original with cork hand grips and British 28" f.10 rims. Bendix rear hub w/a red line in the center. Does anyone know of the rarity or value of this bike, and if the rims are original? Should they be made of wood?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1890's women's Eclipse posted by sam on 12/3/2002 at 12:45:27 AM
The wheels most likely were 28" wood rims with single tube tires.With an Eclipse hub.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1890's women's Eclipse posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 12/3/2002 at 1:55:52 AM
Sam is our resident 28 inch wheel fellow here so he should know with all his experience. He's right on.
Now, when I heard you say Bendix with a red stripe or red band as they say I thought Ouch! Somebody replaced wheels and the rear hub on you! No doubt, these rims while they are the same size are from an English 3 speed from the 1920-s through 1987. It does not belong in your bike. Also that hub was never, ever laced into that rim. Bendix was American until they flew the coop to Mexico in the late 1960's. This 1960- whatever hub went on American kid's bicycles. Still is American, they just stamped Mexico on it.
Most certainly, your bicycle had wooden rims and Oh, I dunno exactly here but probably an Eclipse model hub? Yes, the hub would be an Eclipse made thing too. Elmira Machine Company it would have said on the hub shell.
What exact model Eclipse hub is hard to say, but if you check into bicycle books you should find a picture of your bike.
Now, these things are not all that difficult to find but the wood rims can be expensive and restoring this to proper form will be a bit of a challange and then there is costs.
Usually we just find the hub or something but you have the whole bike just need a proper set of rims. This was a skip tooth equiped bicycle with an skip tooth or half link or inch pitch (all same thing) bicycle chain and front sprocket and the rear sprocket should also be skip tooth.

I say this because I wonder what else was changed on this bicycle you have. They possible could have threaded a skip tooth rear sprocket on the Bebdix red band hub or perhaps not. No probably not, this Bendix hub has a snap ring? Anyways, we have to get you a picture out of some bicycle book or refrence from someplace on the net.
E- bay is a good place to look and you could try contacting Memory Lane bicycles in Perrysburg, Ohio for help in finding parts.
Sam, What else should I be saying here on this?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1890's women's Eclipse posted by sam on 12/3/2002 at 5:29:04 PM
The rims are interesting even if incorrect.The british F10s are the same width as schwinn middle/weight rims--only yours are in 28" size!and drilled for 36 spokes instead of the english style of 40/32.They must be canadain,maybe?You do start seeing tube tires offered on american bikes by the teens(called the english tyre)Also some woodwheel bikes came with the english chain(1/2")Also I'd add that the cabe.com has a "must get this xmas" big book of hubs and Vin right here has great books too.All in all I'd say your in good shape cause unlike some you can ride your bike while exploring all it has to tell---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1890's women's Eclipse posted by casey on 12/4/2002 at 12:47:39 AM
Thanks for the info people! I would like to add that it does have a skip tooth sprocket and hub, but the brake arm off of the hub says Bendix pat. pending. The wheels are 40 spoke not 36. I counted twice.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1890's women's Eclipse posted by sam on 12/4/2002 at 3:34:00 PM
Those wheels are getting more interesting all the time.I've see on ebay 40 hole new departure hubs but not bendix.If you find additional info on the wheels please share,we're learning too---sam

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1890's women's Eclipse posted by MNSmith on 12/4/2002 at 6:47:24 PM
Bendix hubs first came available in 1945, 46 as Morrow and New Departure merged / melted / and was bought into what became Bendix. The sprocket was available either splined or threaded but never keyed.

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AGE / VALUE:   50's? jc higgins posted by: metlhed on 11/29/2002 at 7:47:28 PM
well i finally recieved my jc higgins and have already started sanding so i can paint it. i had it put together for about 4 hours or less maybe 2 hours before i started taking it apart. i was wondering about the age of it. there are no serial numbers on the dropouts, but there are three sets of numbers and one little mark on the bottom of the crank housing. they appear from nearest the wheel to nearest the headtube as:
MUIS-W
MOD 502 47101 2 27 304

3_ < the line is uner the three or an m on its side.


can anybody help me?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   50's? jc higgins posted by sam on 12/1/2002 at 2:09:59 AM
Sears put there own model numbers on there bikes.J.C.higgins were mostly built be Murray.Try lookin at murray bikes in the data dase to see if anything is close.502 is for Murray see http://www.oldwwmachines.com/Craftsman/Manufacturers-Prefix.asp






AGE / VALUE:   tire availability? posted by: Lincoln on 11/29/2002 at 4:38:11 PM
May be looking tomorrow at an old beater bike from 1960. Wonder if I have to worry about tire availability or if it's usually not a big problem to find new ones that will fit on old middleweight bikes? Thanks


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   tire availability? posted by JimW. on 12/2/2002 at 8:04:05 AM
You shouldn't have any problem with finding tires for it.
BikePartsUSA.com has a good selection, and your local bike shop probably has some, as well.






AGE / VALUE:   schwin debbie/murray monteray posted by: Harry on 11/28/2002 at 5:17:55 AM
I have 2 murray monterays, a his and a hers, I have a general idea of there age, but I want to know their value. I also have a schwinn debbie that I would also like to know the value on. I'm just getting into the hobby, and this is what I have so far. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwin debbie/murray monteray posted by Skip on 11/29/2002 at 2:26:31 PM
I think the Monterays are 'department store' bikes and are still sold at wal-mart, k-mart, etc. today.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwin debbie/murray monteray posted by Rachle on 12/2/2002 at 9:07:56 PM
Hi...I have a Schwinn Debbie from 1962 and I paid around 200 bucks, which includes shipping...The guy I got it from (eBay) said it was an 8 out of a 10 and when I received it I was massively disappointed..I took it to the local Schwinn shop and they said because the condition was sucky its only worth maybe 50 bucks...If yours is nice- I would think the price would be comparible to the Hollywood model...By the way, I did find out that the Debbie model was named after Debbie Reynolds.........Hope this is helpful.... :)

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwin debbie/murray monteray posted by Harry on 12/2/2002 at 10:39:29 PM
Thanks for the info, mine is pretty nice with the exception of some scratches. I got it for free when the neighbors moved along with the murrays. Oh well its still a cool bike, mabee my mom will ride it.






AGE / VALUE:   schwin debbie/murray monteray posted by: Harry on 11/28/2002 at 5:17:55 AM
I have 2 murray monterays, a his and a hers, I have a general idea of there age, but I want to know their value. I also have a schwinn debbie that I would also like to know the value on. I'm just getting into the hobby, and this is what I have so far. Any help would be greatly appreciated.







BALLOON:   New Departure oil cap posted by: Danny Stumbo on 11/27/2002 at 12:27:54 AM
Where can I find spring loader oil caps for a New Departure rear wheel hub?


   RE:BALLOON:   New Departure oil cap posted by Gordon on 11/27/2002 at 10:07:36 PM
I believe I have a few NOS caps left, how many do you need?

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   New Departure oil cap posted by Danny Stumbo on 11/29/2002 at 12:31:10 AM
I could use two Spring loaded oil caps for new departure hubs.

Thanks

Danny






BALLOON:   Paint Color Charts posted by: MNSmith on 11/26/2002 at 7:08:35 AM
Matt, here are the color charts you were asking about. www.classicriders.com/database/ListItem.asp?Item=213 as found at the Classic Riders web site.

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AGE / VALUE:   Arnold Schwinn/bike posted by: charlie on 11/25/2002 at 9:33:14 PM
i recently found a women`s 26 inch bike the badge say`s Arnold Schwinn and Company. Packard in the center of the badge and at the bottom chicago Ill.at what yr ? would this bike be from and ? restoring.it`s all there,just needs painted.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Arnold Schwinn/bike posted by MNSmith on 11/26/2002 at 7:07:55 AM
Find the serial number then go here. If you need help finding the serial number, this same page will help you. www.bunchobikes.com/serialnumber.htm

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AGE / VALUE:   Arnold Schwinn/bike posted by: charlie on 11/25/2002 at 9:33:14 PM
i recently found a women`s 26 inch bike the badge say`s Arnold Schwinn and Company. Packardin the center of the badge and at the bottom chicago Ill.at what yr ? would this bike be from and ? restoring.it`s all there,just needs painted.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Arnold Schwinn/bike posted by Andrew on 11/26/2002 at 4:36:38 PM
Sounds like the 30's or 40's. Probably not worth alot, but a neat old bike to fix up and ride.






WANTED:   beater bikes posted by: Lincoln on 11/25/2002 at 6:13:51 PM
Anyone near Waltham, MA or, even better, Wolfeboro, NH with one
or two old beater bikes with sturdy frames and fairly wide tires?
For riding on a sand/gravel path and general neglect. If two bikes,
one must be women's frame. For reasonably tall riders. Budget is quite
low right now. Thanks

P.S. Probably good to send an email as well as a list response as I don't
keep up.


   RE:WANTED:   beater bikes posted by Lincoln on 12/1/2002 at 8:26:49 PM
Beater #1 acquired. Rusty old Hawthorne/Monkey Wards. Looks as tho another nameplate was once riveted over that decal, but not sure what. More info to come possibly in the middleweight category. It's a little too cool looking, must resist urge to work on it and pretty it up. Coaster brake/freewheel mechanism seems stuck in unlatched position so no brakes or pedalling as yet. Will need to figure out how to repair. One more to go.






BALLOON:    posted by: Kevin Boughton on 11/25/2002 at 4:14:46 PM
Hi there
I'm looking for the year, make and manufacture of this bike. It also has fenders that are not shown in the pictures. Thanks Kevin
http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=1067208
http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=1067207
http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=1067209


   RE:BALLOON:    posted by Joel on 11/25/2002 at 6:59:35 PM
Wow, that's a hard one. I would 'GUESS' from the construction that it is a Shelby or Cleveland Welding frame from the late 30s. Is there a badge or sprocket?

   RE:BALLOON:    posted by Kevin Boughton on 11/25/2002 at 7:18:59 PM
I do have the sprocket, just not a picture of it. Would that be usefull information to you. Also, I think this is a Canadian bike that was purchased at Eaton's. I have traced the serial number to be a 1937 Columbia, but not sure if that is correct.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:    posted by Joel on 11/25/2002 at 10:48:28 PM
It might be a Columbia, and the year seems right. The sprocket design might point to a manufacturer. It could also be a CCM or other non-US company. I would suggest comparing with pictures on the web (try Ebay, Nostalgic.net).

   RE:BALLOON:    posted by sam on 11/26/2002 at 3:14:11 AM
Those bolt on rear stays do point tward an english type of bike.looks like it was dip brassed with all the brass you see on the joints.

   RE:BALLOON:    posted by Tom on 11/26/2002 at 3:32:16 PM
Kevin
I have a Rollfast balloon tire bike that was purchased at Eatons in Winnipeg in 1948. I got it from the original owner. He ordered it in 1944 but due to the war he never got it until 1948. What a wait for a 12 year old. It still had the Eatons whitewall tires on it. Your bike looks a lot like mine except mine has the front facing dropout. I also picked up a ladies Rollfast bike with the same story of waiting 3 years for the bike. Eatons had most of their bikes made in England. I have not seen an Eatons bike that was made by CCM. I think they bought US balloon tire bikes and had them shipped here with no seats and tires to save shipping. I have seen some with British leather seats on them and all of them with Eatons tires. Back in the early 1960's and older the Eatons stores did a large percentage of department store buisness in Canada. I have heard some years 75% of all Canadian department store sales were from Eatons. The rest went to Sears. Both had spring, summer, winter and Christmas catalogues.

   RE:BALLOON:    posted by Kevin Boughton on 11/26/2002 at 8:19:40 PM
All this information is appreciated. Any more would also be helpfull; I hope to find the year & manufacture. Sam, you are right this bike has been dip brassed; was this a common thing done in the past.
Tom, the original tires on this bike do say Eaton't on the wall of the tire. Did Eaton's ever sell a Columbia bicycle?

   RE:RE:BALLOON:    posted by Cal on 11/27/2002 at 2:56:15 PM
Looks like a Monark frame to me, based on the shape of the space where the tank would go.

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Columbia posted by Chris on 12/3/2002 at 1:58:28 AM
I had my chance to buy old Columbia bikes new in boxes and I passed over them all. Wonder who got them. I did not and still don't know anything really about Columbia.
I probably messed up there with that.






AGE / VALUE:   Tigeroo Bicycle posted by: Dan on 11/25/2002 at 3:08:52 AM
Hi All,
Hey, does anybody remember the kids Tigeroo Bicycle back in the late 60's? It had a plastic Tiger head with a squeeze handle that made a growl sound. If I remember correctly, it had tiger stripes and a tail on the back fender. I think Huffy was the manufacturer?
Does anybody have a picture of this bike?
Thanks,
Dan







MIDDLEWEIGHT:   CCM mans' bike posted by: Phil on 11/24/2002 at 5:56:29 PM
I have what I believe to be a circa 1932 ccm mans bicycle. It has balloon tires a heavy duty spring leather seat , front and back fenders and had been painted. The original paint is red and I have been told that they refer to this as a red bird. If anyone has anymore info on ccm bikes it would be greatly appreciated.


   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   CCM mans' bike posted by sam on 11/25/2002 at 12:31:37 AM
Phil,go to the english rodester group.Edward,Warren,and Tom are all into CCM bikes and should be able to give info.And it's nice to have history and info on Canadan bikes showing up here.---sam

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   CCM mans' bike posted by Tom on 11/27/2002 at 7:16:16 AM
Phil
As far as I know CCM did not make a balloon tire bike before 1940. The bikes came with 26 x 2" tires. They came in a red and cream color. You refer to them as a Red Bird. If it is a Red Bird it will say on the headbadge. I have not seen one with that name. Red Birds were 28" bikes as far as I know. They came with a CCM headbadge. The CCM balloon tire bikes have a nice peaked fender. They came with a variety of seats. A lot of dealers would set you up with a seat for your size and weight. If you are interested in selling the bike I do know of a guy who is looking for these bikes.






BALLOON:   VALUE & IDENTIFICATION posted by: BOBBY Z on 11/24/2002 at 5:17:34 PM
I have recently acquired a Schwinn "Lincoln" mens balloon tire bike SER # on bottom of pedal housing: "C03945"

There is 1 badge on the front of the handle bar post which reads " LINCOLN" in large red diagonal script on top and
"Chicago Cycle Supply Company" below.

There is also another ornamental type of "WING shaped badge" below the upper badge.

The bike is maroon and cream colored with full fenders, a rear rack, chain guard with Schwinn Decal, Headlite on front fender. Missing horn tank, has a replacement seat, 1 original tire and wheel, 1 older replacement tire, 1 original foot pedal, 1 older replacement. Overall condition I would rate 70% Very little rust, paint chipping or dents. Bottom edge of rear fender a little banged up an has a small mudflap attached to it.

I would like to hear any info about this model as I have been unable to find out very much so far. I believe it to be approx 1946-1948 vintage. I could send digital pictures if anyone is interested. Thanks and I hope someone out ther can shed some light on this old road warrior.


   RE:BALLOON:   VALUE & IDENTIFICATION posted by MNSmith on 11/26/2002 at 6:56:50 AM
Sure, send me a picture.

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   RE:RE:BALLOON:   VALUE & IDENTIFICATION posted by MNSmith on 11/27/2002 at 5:57:46 AM
You are right on the year. You have a 46-48 DX. What else would you like to know?

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