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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights







AGE / VALUE:   Ladies Fleetwing?? Very old-any help? posted by: Brian on 3/21/2002 at 5:37:00 PM
Have a friend that has an old rusty ladies bicycle. Label on seat tube says Fleetwing, has a kindda thunderbird wing decal. Also the old head badge has this same wing design. There is an old tank under top tube, racks front and rear. The ser.# on bottom bracket is 208303. I dont belive the cranck is original, it is a three piece cottered. Has anyone ever heard of fleetwing? Tried the data-base already, no luck.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ladies Fleetwing?? Very old-any help? posted by ken on 3/21/2002 at 10:35:41 PM
When I saw the words cottered crank I thought maybe you should try the roadster page. Nearly any bike with cottered cranks fitted would have been designed with them; no one in my experience would retrofit from cotterless, and Ashtabula hangers are bigger. What else do you observe? Coaster brake? Tire size? If you get stuck you can ask Leon Dixon of National Bicycle History Archive; his email is oldbicycle@aol.com.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ladies Fleetwing?? Very old-any help? posted by sam on 3/22/2002 at 3:36:29 AM
sounds like a late 50s or 60s German import bike

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ladies Fleetwing?? Very old-any help? posted by Brian on 3/22/2002 at 3:49:41 AM
The cranks are not correct for this bike, they even look a whole lot newer, not much rust on them, kindda chrome caps on the bottom bracket cup area. Will get some pics though, e-mail me if you would like to see. Never seen a bike this rusty!!






MISC:   Question posted by: Jon on 3/21/2002 at 2:16:52 AM
I have this bike i found it is a 20" its white it had/has fenders on it. The name is Guaranty i think thats correct the name is kind of warn off. If anyone has any info on it i would like to hear from them. Also i have a old Huffy thats from around the 70's called a Sail Speed or something like that i would also like info on it.
Thanks, Jon







AGE / VALUE:   Let somebody else figure it out! posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/21/2002 at 12:35:15 AM
These 26 inch wheels will go with a pal to Ann Arbor and I will be bothered with not knowing what they are and what they go to, no longer! And good riddance, so there!

Unless they come back, Oh No!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Let somebody else figure it out! posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/23/2002 at 4:49:09 PM
Painted yellow rims!






AGE / VALUE:   PREWAR WHEELGOODS FLYER posted by: Kevin K on 3/20/2002 at 4:41:18 PM
Hi. I ID the frame today.Almost 100% it is a prewar WHEELGOODS FLYER. Bare frame, but straight. Tanks are missing also. What can anyone tell me about it? Is it a good quality item to restore? Next quess was a MARATHON made by Columbus Bike Co., Columbus Oh. Any thoughts ? Thanks, Kevin


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PREWAR WHEELGOODS FLYER posted by Jimbo Jones on 3/21/2002 at 2:07:51 AM
Are you sure that there is such a bike as a wheelgoods flyer? I bought one of these badges and put it on my hiawatha but have yet to see a real bike to go with it. Have seen other bikes that people have done the same.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   PREWAR WHEELGOODS FLYER posted by Kevin K on 3/21/2002 at 11:40:12 AM
Hi. Na, I'm not sure of anything. This headbadge matched the outline of the nice paint that a badge covered and the crummy, sun burnt paint of the head tube. To be honest, I didn't like the look of the headbadge and hope it is some other make. Thanks, Kevin K

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   PREWAR WHEELGOODS FLYER posted by Joel on 3/21/2002 at 7:46:18 PM
Hi Kevin,
A few thoughts...

Do you have any other parts (sprocket,fork,fenders, chainguard?) that might help identify it? The built in dropstand ears were used on most brands but not all. The adjuster screws are not part of the frame on all makes either.

The scallop patterns you discribed could be maybe Columbia or Rollfast markings. You might see if the serial number looks like a Columbia #.


Zap me a picture if you want and I'll see what I can find.






AGE / VALUE:   Black Phantom posted by: Tim on 3/20/2002 at 11:47:02 AM
I just bought a Black Phantom,problem is some fool sprayed it red(looks like @#%*)but I can still see the original paint,letters and stripes.
My question is how to get this red off without ruining the the black,and details underneath?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Black Phantom posted by Stacey on 3/20/2002 at 2:15:54 PM
Very carefully, Tim... very carefully.

Seriously, try to find an inconspicous spot; behind the chainguard, under the bottom bracket, etc. then start with a mild solvent (soap & water) see if that moves it, then work your way up the strength index until you find something that will cut the "housepaint" while leaving the factory paint unscathed.

There is a line of solvents and stain removers that are formulated for various types of problems... the name escapes me right now. But, you could probably have some luck at a paint & paper store or maybe a body shop/automotive refinishing supplier.

Good luck & congratulations on your find!

In the wind,
Stacey

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Black Phantom posted by IAN on 3/21/2002 at 9:19:44 AM
Try some Acetone which should be available from paint supply places. I have been using it again today as I find that rubbed on with a cloth and not allowed to sit on the surface it takes the paint off one layer at a time, especially if the top layers are cheap housepaint type and it stops having as much effect when it gets to the good quality paint. If you want to try a small amount first use nail varnish remover which is mostly Acetone. I find you can rub quite hard if you do not use a really wet cloth or let it soak in. Good luck, Ian.






AGE / VALUE:   1954 schwinn AMERICAN 2 speed kickback posted by: Eric m on 3/19/2002 at 10:34:01 PM
hi
i just bought a 1954 schwinn american 2 speed kickback for 20 bucks. i would like to know what it is worth. it has the normal wear and tear, the seat has no rips, the bike is blue . it has early sting ray handle bars on it.
the wheels are in near mint condition and has a two speed kickback hub in it. the fenders have one dent on the side of the fender. the chain guard is in great condition.i would rate this bike as a 8-9 if you would like pictures to find out how much it is worth please email me.
thanks for your help
Eric m.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1954 schwinn AMERICAN 2 speed kickback posted by Gordon on 3/20/2002 at 12:04:22 AM
You might want to recheck that serial number, American models weren't introduced until 1955.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1954 schwinn AMERICAN 2 speed kickback posted by sam on 3/20/2002 at 2:56:00 AM
And they didn't use the kick back until 1957(the 55 and 56 American used the manuel 2-speed)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1954 schwinn AMERICAN 2 speed kickback posted by eric m on 3/21/2002 at 1:32:59 AM
i just looked at the bike and the first letters of the serial number is L32 and i think that is a 54'. The 2 speed hub has a red band on it right because the one i saw on ebay had a red band hub and he said it was a 2 speed kickback.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1954 schwinn AMERICAN 2 speed kickback posted by eric m on 3/21/2002 at 1:33:10 AM
i just looked at the bike and the first letters of the serial number is L32 and i think that is a 54'. The 2 speed hub has a red band on it right because the one i saw on ebay had a red band hub and he said it was a 2 speed kickback.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1954 schwinn AMERICAN 2 speed kickback posted by Gordon on 3/21/2002 at 5:26:16 AM
One red band is a single speed, the 2 speed kickbacks have 3 bands. Are there 5 numbers in the serial number or 6? An L32 with 4 more numbers is a 1963.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1954 schwinn AMERICAN 2 speed kickback posted by eric m on 3/23/2002 at 12:29:00 PM
the serial number has 4 more numbers after L32 . and it is only a single speed because it only has 1 band . sorry for giving the wrong info but im new with ballon tire bikes
i hope now some one will know how much this fine bike is worth.
thanks again
Eric m






AGE / VALUE:   PRE WAR BIKE FRAMES posted by: Kevin K on 3/19/2002 at 8:46:28 PM
Hi guys. I usually stick to lightweight bikes from the 70's and 80's however I found two vintage frames today that looked pretty cool and deserved a better fate than the scrap mtal pile I dug them out of. One is in so so condition. Rough and rusty, bent seat tube. However it's got very unusual seat stays so I thought I'd grab it. The next one is real nice. The original paint was a dark blue with white scallops. White head tube. The badge is missing though. It was very large. The frame is all hand brazed. The welds/brazing is finished off ok but not perfect. The tubing has a nice ring to it like some of the better bikes I've had instead a dull, dead thunk. The seat tube has the clamp that secures the seat post in place brazed on and the opening for the seat post is about 1/2 in diameter.Questions: Were alot of prewar bikes brazed such as this one is or is this the sign of a quality made frame such as the filet brazed Schwinn frames? The rear dropouts are so cool. There are large threaded bolts that adgust the rear wheel. That's common I know but there are these little wings/tabs that stick out about 1/2" below where the bikes rear axle would go. Anyway the bends are very fluid and elegant. Girls bike or not it'll be rebuilt into something fun and interesting. Any ideas on a make from the description given? Thanks, Kevin


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PRE WAR BIKE FRAMES posted by Kevin C. on 3/20/2002 at 12:46:21 AM
The little "wings tabs" are actually stops for the rear drop-down kickstand. When not in use it clipped to the bottom of the rear fender.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PRE WAR BIKE FRAMES posted by sam on 3/20/2002 at 3:04:35 AM
Clevland welding would be my guess from what you said.Check out some of the girls roadmasters or rollfast in the data base here or www.nostalgic.com and yes most of the bikes made in the 30s were of very good quality.Be carful we just might have you hooked!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PRE WAR BIKE FRAMES posted by sam on 3/20/2002 at 3:05:31 AM
Clevland welding would be my guess from what you said.Check out some of the girls roadmasters or rollfast in the data base here or www.nostalgic.com and yes most of the bikes made in the 30s were of very good quality.Be carful we just might have you hooked!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   PRE WAR BIKE FRAMES posted by Kevin K on 3/20/2002 at 1:16:19 PM
Should have left them where I found them. Now I've got to start piecing these together. The rougher of the 2 frames is going back into the pile someday,maybe, but the brazed frame will be built up. Thanks for the tip on the pics. I'm usually more dedicated to building up mens bikes but I saw several bikes that were womens and they looked sharp. With tanks too. I also saw several bikes that had dual top tubes with the very top one sloped at the rear. I could do this to modify the bike into a mans bike if desired and possibly find a neater tank/fender and carrier set up. As for what this possibly might be in one picture it looked alot like a Dayton. The Colson frames also had a close match. I'm going back to the bike shop today and see if I can ask them to ID it for me. If not Memory Lanes swap meet is next month, as is Ann Arbor. I should be able to find someone who knows what she is. Thanks anfd I will enjoy this venture into the balloon era bikes. Kevin






BALLOON:   Schwinn U71757 posted by: Mike on 3/19/2002 at 8:13:50 AM
I found this old schwinn in a barn. Some body has put turn down handle bars, small seat, removed chain guard and fenders. Basically stripped it. How can you tell a middle weight frame from a Heavyweight? Is there anyway to find how this bike was set-up when it was new. Thanks


   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn U71757 posted by Stacey on 3/19/2002 at 11:40:37 AM
Elementary dear Watson... er, Mike. I'm assuming that U***** is your serial number, oui? If so, now you have a starting point. A glance at the serial number charts will identify it as a 1956 model. Now it's time for you to don the trenchcoat and fedora, grab your two way wrist radio and magnifying glass and play detective. Take a look through the photo archives on this site. Start at '56 work your way out a couple years, or start at Schwinn and broaden from there. You can also try other sites like nostalgic.net or thecabe.com there are more, but this will keep you busy for a while. All the while, have fun doing what your doing.

In the wind,
Stacey

   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn U71757 posted by Tom Findley on 3/19/2002 at 1:05:27 PM
If the wheels are gone, there may be no way to tell what it was. I have looked at my Jaguar baloon-tire and Jag Mark 2 middleweight frame, and can't see any difference. If the wheels are there, they will at least point to baloon or middleweight models. If there are mounts or no mounts for caliper handbrakes, this will also narrow the model range. You will get to a point where the bike could be 1 of 4 different models.






MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Girls American posted by: Rif Addams on 3/18/2002 at 3:54:14 PM
Hi all,
I just picked up a Schwinn American (girls) 3-Speed.
What was the first year of the American? According to the date on frame it comes up as '55, is this correct?
Thanks for your help,
Rif







AGE / VALUE:   39 huffman posted by: sam on 3/18/2002 at 2:27:31 AM
Picked up a 39 huffman boys bike today from an old man in town.said his boys didn't ride it anymore.I put it in the barn for a later project.Like I need more to do!---sam


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   39 huffman posted by IAN on 3/20/2002 at 10:15:49 AM
Like I keep telling everyone it is a known fact that your collection will always increase at a rate 10% faster than your storage space. Build a bigger shed if you want to find more bikes that are too good to turn down! Cheers, ian.






AGE / VALUE:   55 Schwinn American posted by: Brian on 3/17/2002 at 3:37:50 PM
Any idea what a 1955 Schwinn American middleweight is worth? It has a Bendix 2-speed Aviator (shifts with a trigger) Cadet speedo, Schwinn bolt on cantilever front brakes, original fenders, chainguard, seat- all original and restored, but not re-painted and works great.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   55 Schwinn American posted by sam on 3/18/2002 at 12:50:02 AM
$300 (for a boys)






MISC:   Wierd posted by: adam on 3/17/2002 at 2:20:20 PM
i have a bike that looks like it is from the 60s . it has tow top brs and one middle bar. the two top bars lead to a "u" shped bar that are the the rear dropouts. it is NOT a five bar. the thing is that a found a removable plate that looks like a police tag. it registers for 1957. i want to know what kind of bike looked like a 60s 24 inch bicycle in the 50s. near the vin number it says SE with a circle around it.the vin number is J282580. if you know what kind it is or anything email me please!!!!!







WANTED:   Grips posted by: Randy on 3/16/2002 at 5:25:35 PM
I'm looking for a pair of Yellow or White pointed grips. i've never seen these colors, but you never know.
If you know of any, please drop me a line.
Thanks


   RE:WANTED:   Grips posted by Jimbo Jones on 3/17/2002 at 1:52:11 AM
They do exist so don't give up. Seen them on Elgin girls bikes. White.

   RE:WANTED:   Grips posted by sam on 3/18/2002 at 12:54:24 AM
Memory lane has them in white --call 419-832-3040






AGE / VALUE:   unknown bike posted by: metlhed on 3/16/2002 at 1:53:40 AM
my brother just got his bike, but we hav no clue what brand it is. it has no headbadge. the top bar is two bars and then the bar that curves up is a single bar(looks odd next to my murray). it is a 24 inch bike, that has been repainted many times but lokks to be origannily blue. we have no clue where to look to find the serial number b/c its not on the rear dropout like on my murray F5 wildcat(yeah!!!). any help identifing it would help. i have one pic but it isnt close up



   RE:AGE / VALUE:   unknown bike posted by Adam on 3/17/2002 at 2:33:56 PM
I know that bike. it is your awesome brothers bike. evryone told me it was in fair condition but they said your brother was cool. LOOK AT THE ONE POSTED UNDER MISC. IT SAYS ADAM FOR MORE INFO.






BALLOON:   Old Firstone Imperial Cruiser posted by: Billy on 3/15/2002 at 4:12:11 PM
Greetings from Texas! Help! I just bought an old Firestone Imperial Cruiser. I looks just like the Firstone Holiday, only this bike is chrome. It has the springer front fork, chrome rims, ligt on front fender, turn signals in the rear rack. It looks like it has a set up for a brake light? Could that be right. It has the turn signal switch and horn button in the tank. The lucite emblems on either side of the tank are perfect. It has the wide whitewall Firestone tires that are in real good to excellent shape. Does anyone know anything about this bike? The light surface rust/oxidation is cleaning up real nice, and am looking forward to riding it around at the swap meets - unless I've found something that needs to be hung from the ceiling and displayed only.


   RE:BALLOON:   Old Firstone Imperial Cruiser posted by sam on 3/18/2002 at 1:00:25 AM
Billy please do ride it!Just take good care of it.It sounds like it might be a monark or columbia bike.What part of Tex?