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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights







MIDDLEWEIGHT:   american flyer posted by: david on 8/13/2002 at 11:46:59 PM
looking for any info, age/era in particular for a black and white american flyer custom, incoperated light, american flyer speedo, rear rack, made in new york, looks to be some schwinn parts, chainring, crankarms. some surface rust, maybe needs new seat, looking to pay $150 for it, overpriced or fair. any help is appreciated, thanks, david







AGE / VALUE:   Thank you posted by: Joe Barnes on 8/12/2002 at 10:39:41 PM
Just wanted to say thank you Gary M and Joel. I appreciate it. Took away some anxiety for me, lol. Thanks







AGE / VALUE:   Phil Nalrite posted by: sam on 8/12/2002 at 3:14:08 PM
Phil,both Mead and Elgin are Catalog company bikes.By this I mean they were not made by Elgin or Mead.Elgin bikes were sold by Sears,most made by Columbia to sears standards.Sears had a bike department that designed their bikes then they were contracted out.Mead is an old company that sold bikes world wide through their catalogs.As best I can tell,and this is partly a guess,Mead may have asembled their American made bikes in there Chicago factory using high quality parts from around the world.i'm told they used English seats and forks on Schwinn frames.Others say that Davis sewing made some Meads.(Both Davis&Schwinn built high quality frames)Have you tryed http://www.nostalgic.net Hope some of this helps---sam


   :  thanks again posted by phil nsoso on 8/13/2002 at 12:24:10 AM
thanks for your input and suggestions.I'm now convinced that the bike i once believed to be a mead is actually an elgin,model unknown.it wasn't until i was looking on a nbhaa webpage (oakland exibit) that i saw a picture of the elgin gull.the remains of the seat on my bike have just minimal amounts of red leather showing.I have tried to be sure to look at the various frames,sprockets,pedals,handle bars,rims ,neck, ect... to identify this particular bike.alyhough it shares many of the same design and componentry that the elgin gull I saw on the nbhaa page I believe it may be the gulls older sister or otherwise related.i submitted some pictures of it sun. 8/11/02 to the oldroads data base as unidentified elgin.the seat shown however is not the seat on this bike we're discussing.the persons is to the other elgin i also sent pictures for the database.found a european made schwinn tandem this last weekend.my friends boss is married to a german women who claims to have brought the bike from germany when she moved to the u.s.a. a weeks worth of concrete labor or my little geo spectrum is what,s on the chopping block.the way i see it is that bike was covring ground long before the car,that car has already came and will definitely be gone befor it or any other bikes in my collection are recycled.I should be able to update the pictures Ive submitted and add some more of different bikes that we didn't have time to do.so many bikes so little money.i need to liquidate my low end so i can invest in some deals ive found local.1950's bl phantom 200 cash,original 1 family owner.that 30's tandem missing a handlegrip $300 cash or trade,clean bike.tonight i'm going to an an old orchard whose owner forclosed to pull four bikes out where the berries have overgrown them ,found an antique gas station pump,1800's fireplace insert(the ornamental work is awesome).I am currently rough drafting the blueprints for a restoration shop.There isn't one here nor a vintage,classic,or antique clubs.Our little farm town is turning into a suburb.Barns and sheds go down,strip malls and 7-11's go up,and alot of rare or old bikes get crushed.i constantly run across good bikes @ good deals.something you've after?let me know,I'll keep my eyes and ears open for you.(and no, i wouldn't horde it for myself.requests are purchased and delivered to the one that made it.thanks again.if you have info on my photos please let me know.

   :  thanks again posted by phil nsoso on 8/13/2002 at 12:27:41 AM
thanks for your input and suggestions.I'm now convinced that the bike i once believed to be a mead is actually an elgin,model unknown.it wasn't until i was looking on a nbhaa webpage (oakland exibit) that i saw a picture of the elgin gull.the remains of the seat on my bike have just minimal amounts of red leather showing.I have tried to be sure to look at the various frames,sprockets,pedals,handle bars,rims ,neck, ect... to identify this particular bike.alyhough it shares many of the same design and componentry that the elgin gull I saw on the nbhaa page I believe it may be the gulls older sister or otherwise related.i submitted some pictures of it sun. 8/11/02 to the oldroads data base as unidentified elgin.the seat shown however is not the seat on this bike we're discussing.the persons is to the other elgin i also sent pictures for the database.found a european made schwinn tandem this last weekend.my friends boss is married to a german women who claims to have brought the bike from germany when she moved to the u.s.a. a weeks worth of concrete labor or my little geo spectrum is what,s on the chopping block.the way i see it is that bike was covring ground long before the car,that car has already came and will definitely be gone befor it or any other bikes in my collection are recycled.I should be able to update the pictures Ive submitted and add some more of different bikes that we didn't have time to do.so many bikes so little money.i need to liquidate my low end so i can invest in some deals ive found local.1950's bl phantom 200 cash,original 1 family owner.that 30's tandem missing a handlegrip $300 cash or trade,clean bike.tonight i'm going to an an old orchard whose owner forclosed to pull four bikes out where the berries have overgrown them ,found an antique gas station pump,1800's fireplace insert(the ornamental work is awesome).I am currently rough drafting the blueprints for a restoration shop.There isn't one here nor a vintage,classic,or antique clubs.Our little farm town is turning into a suburb.Barns and sheds go down,strip malls and 7-11's go up,and alot of rare or old bikes get crushed.i constantly run across good bikes @ good deals.something you've after?let me know,I'll keep my eyes and ears open for you.(and no, i wouldn't horde it for myself.requests are purchased and delivered to the one that made it.thanks again.if you have info on my photos please let me know.

   RE::  thanks again posted by sam on 8/13/2002 at 2:12:58 AM
Phil is this the bike your talkin about? http://www.ann-arbor-bicycleshow.com/14.jpg

   RE:RE::  thanks again posted by Joel on 8/13/2002 at 1:48:30 PM
If you find one of those, let me know....lol

   RE:RE:RE::  thanks again posted by phil nalrite on 8/18/2002 at 9:57:56 PM
joel if i find one of huh?my appologies to everyone:I'm learning not to be so click happy,I just learned how to turn the computer on let alone operate it.






BALLOON:   Circa 1950 Western Flyer Repro posted by: Rick on 8/12/2002 at 4:20:21 AM
Can someone give me information on this bike such as value, etc. I am aware that the bike is Columbia manufacture and made in the year 1990 with a three hundred serial number. Does anyone know anything other than the obvious about the bicycle?







AGE / VALUE:   Could someone please give me an idea of value, thank you. posted by: Joe Barnes on 8/12/2002 at 1:24:40 AM
Hi, and thank you in advance for your time. I have 2 bicycles (Schwinn) on Ebay right now and was hoping someone could give me an idea of value. I am sorry to bother anyone, but I am trying to raise money to bid on a house soon, and I would have thought the bikes would be higher by now. The item numbers are 2128941642 and 2129627814 . Thank you for any input.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Could someone please give me an idea of value, thank you. posted by Gary M on 8/12/2002 at 4:54:34 AM
well the 20 in typhoon is a frankenbike, parts of this and that on the bottom of the line 20 in, your doing well already, and the off badged tanker is doing about right as well.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Could someone please give me an idea of value, thank you. posted by Joel on 8/12/2002 at 8:36:28 PM
Agreed. The final sale prices should be about right.






MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Schwinn Debbie & Vistas posted by: Rachel on 8/11/2002 at 8:21:08 PM
Does anyone have any info on the Schwinn Debbie model from the 60's? I'm also trying to find info on the Vista brand of bikes and have come up with exactly squat...Any help is appreciated! Thanks! :)


   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Schwinn Debbie & Vistas posted by Wings on 8/12/2002 at 6:46:19 AM
What do you want to know about the Debbie?

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Schwinn Debbie & Vistas posted by Rachel on 8/12/2002 at 1:06:36 PM
Just basic things.....If it is more similar to the Hollywood or American...If it was a popular bike, as it seams there aren't many out there..If it really was named after Debbie Reynolds and later renamed to a Barbie.........And, when looking up value of this bike- where to find it- which would be where its similarity to the other ladies cruisers made by Schwinn circa the 1960's....Thanks! :)

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Schwinn Debbie & Vistas posted by Wings on 8/15/2002 at 6:32:26 AM
I have a Debbie. It is a pinkish and white coloring. The frame looks very much like the Hollywood. The two curved bars come very close together however. I do not have wheels on mine as they were not original and I used them on another bike project. It does look like Middleweight wheels. It has a chain guard that says: "Schwinn" in script and then "Debbie: in block letters. I have no idea about the origin of the name. Isn't Barbie used on certain older 20 inch girls banana seat bikes? Seems like I have seen Barbie on that size bike. I have a complete frame with chrome fenders (which may have been added) and handle bar, seat, etc.

Maybe more information will follow.

   RE:RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Schwinn Debbie & Vistas posted by Wings on 8/15/2002 at 6:36:55 AM
Value of a Debbie? I have no idea. Girls bikes are the ones that are much common out there because girls did not ride them and abuse them. So the market is fat with girls bikes. I have several Hollywoods but only one Debbie and that is the only one I have ever seen. I have not a clue on value. Many times value is based on emotion. Someday I hope to restore my Debbie. I think it is rather unique, especially with the colors used.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Schwinn Debbie & Vistas posted by Rachel on 8/16/2002 at 7:57:25 PM
Your Debbie sounds like the one on Ebay at the moment....Seems that this model is pretty rare, huh? I don't know what your serial # is, but the lettering on the chain guard on mine is different that the block style......The Barbie reference, I have no clue on, I found that piece of info someone here on this websites archives.....Interestingly enough, I was also thinking of restoring mine, as its in pretty rough shape- While I was on Ebay, I noticed a pink seat in pristine shape- with a starting bid of 37....I appreciate your help! Thanks!! :)

Rachel

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT: Schwinn Debbie & Vistas posted by Phil Aromando on 10/21/2002 at 1:52:12 AM
I see that you got some feedback for the Debbie but none on the
Vista.... I own three 20 inch 3 speeds and a 10 speed 24 inch. I have been trying to find info for about a year now.. not too many people know anything about them... I keep getting that Schwinn built them overseas but all of mine have tires made in the USA.... The do have a Schwinn crank and goose neck on them, and the seat looks the same but carries the Vista nameplate, the peddels look the same but has Vista imprinted at the cap, the front fork looks the same but uses the same for boys and girls.... Schwinn girls has a longer stem... the kick stands are not even close.... Any info you can throw my way, I would love to hear from you.... Phil, aromando@nac.net






WANTED:   Monark Carrier posted by: Real on 8/11/2002 at 5:12:34 PM
I am looking for a cheese grater style carrier that fits a Monark Super Cruiser and also a set of Monark scripted pedals ,if anyone has anyof these items please contact me.Thanks


   RE:WANTED:   Monark Carrier posted by Roy on 8/21/2002 at 5:22:16 PM
do you have a picture of you Monark Super Cruiser that you could send? Regards Roy






AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn American posted by: Frank on 8/11/2002 at 3:31:07 PM
I have a Schwinn American that I'm working on now, and I can't determine the age of it. The SN is: 4839, located on the left dropout. I've looked at the serial # chart on this site, and the only 4 digit sn's I see (as far as I can tell) are Whizzers and Cycletrucks, which this bike is definitely not. It's just a standard, bare bones middleweight. I'd really like to know the year of manufacture, and any help will be appreciated!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn American posted by Joel on 8/12/2002 at 1:52:44 PM
Take a closer look. You must be missing some numbers.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn American posted by Frank on 8/14/2002 at 6:34:59 PM
Thanks! Since the paint is so poor on this bike and I'm planning a re-paint, I sanded the dropout with some really fine paper an uncovered the # A48398, which according to the chart puts it at as a '51. Thanks again.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn American posted by Gordon on 8/14/2002 at 8:09:42 PM
In 1951 the serial number was located under the crank housing. Your bike has to be newer than 1952.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn American posted by Rif Addams on 8/15/2002 at 8:20:02 PM
A4 would make it a January '64 model.
Rif

   Slight Oversight posted by Guido on 8/18/2002 at 8:58:44 AM
In 64 there was one letter, followed by 6 numbers, so it could not be a 64. It was however a 1951 built frame. The date on or about 11/27/1951 to be as close as possible.
Please refer to my insane typing folly at http://www.angelfire.com/rant/allday101/SchwinnCodes1.html
for this and many other Schwinn date code years. Feel free to copy and print any or all of the individual years or entire pages, that`s why I typed it.
Good Luck and Have Fun.






BALLOON:   roadmaster year? posted by: jason on 8/10/2002 at 8:53:24 PM
i have a cleveland welding co. roadmaster serial no. B34684.can anyone tell me the year? the coaster brake says "morrow" eclipse machine co. g4 36 13. is this original to that bike? thanks







AGE / VALUE:   info needed posted by: rsg on 8/9/2002 at 3:50:57 AM
Found an old girls bike that has the name 'The Londoner' on the front with the name Scheuer (I am not sure of all the letters) under it. The Londoner is vertical. On the seat stem is the number P 6151. Any idea of origin or other info. The bike has dual side by side bars that run from the handle bars down to the crank. It has been painted so I have no other info. Thanks


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   info needed posted by rsg on 8/15/2002 at 12:28:53 AM
Additional information. The front wheel hub has the word Renak and the number 59 under it. The back has the words: Centrix System with some insignia in between those words. Under system it says, Gottsch0lk, under that it says made in Germany and under that it says West. It also had schwinn seat and handle bar grips. This sounds like a bike someone put together - - any ideas out there.






AGE / VALUE:   Columbia Twosome posted by: Paul on 8/9/2002 at 12:07:34 AM
I found an old Columbia Twosome tandem at an estate sale. The serial# is very hard to read and it looks like they tried to stamp it twice. As near as I can tell it is:
T L7217 or T 17217. Do tandems have their own series of #'s or is this an 'L' series from 47? Does anyone have any Idea's? What was standard on these things ect? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!!!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Columbia Twosome posted by Gale on 8/18/2002 at 7:30:19 PM
I'm so glad to see your msg. I found a Columbia Twosome that was orig. yellow but unable to find ANY #'s on it. Where did you find the #'s stamped on it? So far on any web sites no one has found them. Someone spray painted over the yellow with blue paint...could barely read the decal on chain guard. But on web site geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/7153/tandcol.jpg there is a red one from the 50's...chk it out..but haven't found value yet...good luck






MISC:   serial #'s posted by: phil nalrite on 8/8/2002 at 8:09:43 PM
can anyone please help me identify these #'s and find a picture to go with it? #1: N885 28 #2: se 184 mod:502 se 9629


   RE:MISC:   serial #'s posted by Stacey on 8/8/2002 at 11:14:55 PM
Sounds like it might have come from a Sears bike?

   RE:RE:MISC:   serial #'s posted by phil nalrite on 8/9/2002 at 1:28:13 AM
this bike is the elgin gulls twin or older sister.red leather seat,shiny silver coat no chain guard star pattern inside sprocket with tear drop openings,if i couldn't get a magnet to stick to the frame i'd say it was a gull,that and they made gulls in 1936 and my guess is that the 28 in n885 28 prbably means it's a 1928 the one i'm the most interested in is the model 502 by elgin ser 9629 there is a random 184 on the b.b. can you point me in a direction to solve my search

   RE:RE:MISC:   serial #'s posted by phil nalrite on 8/9/2002 at 1:28:22 AM
this bike is the elgin gulls twin or older sister.red leather seat,shiny silver coat no chain guard star pattern inside sprocket with tear drop openings,if i couldn't get a magnet to stick to the frame i'd say it was a gull,that and they made gulls in 1936 and my guess is that the 28 in n885 28 prbably means it's a 1928 the one i'm the most interested in is the model 502 by elgin ser 9629 there is a random 184 on the b.b. can you point me in a direction to solve my search






MISC:   serial #'s posted by: phil nalrite on 8/8/2002 at 8:09:43 PM
can anyone please help me identify these #'s and find a picture to go with it? #1: N885 28 #2: se 184 mod:502 se 9629


   RE:MISC:   serial #'s posted by phil nagro on 8/18/2002 at 10:01:33 PM
I,m just here talking to myself i guess.surely there must be somebody that can stear me in the right direction.






WANTED:   Tries for Schwinn Delux twin 5 posted by: Robert A Greenfield on 8/8/2002 at 2:11:13 PM
I am looking for tire for a Schwimm Delux Twin 5, bicycle built for 2 people, refurbushing this bicycle and need tires anyone know where to buy them? Please notigy me email or call 506-221-5606
Thanks







BALLOON:   info needed on Montgomery Ward Hawthorne model posted by: John Krake on 8/8/2002 at 1:34:33 PM
I recently bought a gold color boys single speed balloon type bike at a garage sale and am cleaning/fixing to restore to useable condition. It has a silver decal badge on the headset post that says Montgomery Ward and Hawthorne, also Hawthorne is painted in white on the seat post tube. If anyone has any information on this bike or can direct me to a resource it would be appreciated. I'm curious as to its value primarily. It cleaned up pretty good, shiny fenders-maybe missing a rear fender reflector? it has a hole near the bottom; paint is intact with only a little rust on the chain guard, rims still have a few tarnished areas, everything is in alignment and functioning, seems to have original pedals. I had to replace the tires which where severely cracked and wouldn't hold air. Am trying to locate nice whitewall tires 26x2.25 with straight road tread not knobby(which is all I could get at this time).Sorry for the long posting and thanks.
John


   RE:BALLOON:   info needed on Montgomery Ward Hawthorne model posted by Gordon on 8/9/2002 at 3:14:57 PM
The book "Collectible Elgin JC Higgins Hawthorne Balloon Tire Bicycles" is available at http://www.peteandedbooks.com. This book is catalog reprints from 1930's to 1960's and should allow you to find the year your bike was made, and what is optionals were available.