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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights







AGE / VALUE:   Monark Trophy. (here are some pictures, it's nice) posted by: Den. on 10/5/2004 at 1:37:05 AM
Hi Everyone! Looks like I have to ask for your help again. When I last posted (before the tandem bike post) about the old Elgin or Murray or whatever it is girl's bike. (I got lots of help thanks) well on the day of that auction, I was walking down an alley and behind one of the shops in this small town, there was a strange looking very much oldere vintage balloner, just sitting there kinda rusting away.
As I was looking at it the shop owner pulled up. I asked him about the bike and if it was for sale. He said no and went in the shop. So today, after my hearing (court) got over I was driving by and decided to pull in to the alley and snap a digi of the bike to see if any of you would identify it for me. Cause it's got the tank, balloons, torpedo light,rack, trusses,(wow) everything pretty much stock and except for the weather the original paint still good. The owner and his wife (nice folk) came out at just this time. i asked them; "Hey, I know you don't want to sell this, but would it be ok if I took a picture of it, I like to collect old bikes." Showing them my camera.
They told me that they would sell it. That they had planned to weld a metal figure of a child on it and make a yard ornament out of it, but that plan didn't pan out. I didn't hesitate to give them the thirty they asked. I don't know what bike this is, have no idea. (But I am very happy adding it to the growing fleet here.) I'm still smiling. i hope you (anyone here) can help me out with this. On the head Badge it says 'Trophy with a picture of a trophy behind the name. On the brake arm it says "Monark" (there is a very clear plate on bottom of crank with writing and serial numbers (it's just to dark out right now to read (I need to use a big magnifier at my age anyway) but the crank plate is black and silver. This bike kind of reminds me of the one in pee wee's great adventure. I just love it. red pin-strips around the rim, (rear tire is 26 x 125 Firestone High Speed) You all know much more about this than I do, but I think I got lucky. Here is a page I put up with the pictures. (The little guy is my son.) I did do many searches throughout this site and the web on Monark, but I can't find anything about "Trophy." I would like to know so much more about it. Age, (I'm guessing early 40's?) Value, history, any feedback at all.
Please (TIA)take a look and I really appreciate all of your prior help too!
Den
(in illinois)
http://tinyurl.com/6ut3o
and if the tinyurl doesn't work, please try http://mywebpage.netscape.com/freekaler/monark.html
(one picture below :-)


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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Monark Trophy. (here are some pictures, it's nice) posted by Den on 10/6/2004 at 5:43:20 PM
GORDON would it be OK if I e-mailed you to talk about this? Bikes in general? tia
best,
den.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Monark Trophy. (here are some pictures, it's nice) posted by Gordon on 10/5/2004 at 3:20:14 PM
I have found several of these Monark bikes with the Trphy headbadge. I am assuming they were made for some department store or other company to distribute and that is why they don't carry the Monark headbadge. Your bike is the same model as a Monark Rocket. Probably late 1940's or early 1950's vintage. I would have given them $30 in a heartbeat. Congratulations on a good find.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Monark Trophy. (here are some pictures, it's nice) posted by Den on 10/5/2004 at 4:21:56 PM
Thank-you very much for the information Gordon. I'm not even sure what I have! I'm pretty new at this but it seems to really be addictive! I'm sure with your information about rocket, I can research deeper and find out more. "In a heartbeat" Yes, I was shaking so hard I couldn't hardly write out the check. I think mainly because since finding it, rusting away outside in that pile of junk, it never left my mind. So now it is rescued! But, the timing was something else too. I kind of wonder what made me decide to go back to see it again. Whatever, I'm glad I did. I have it here in the house with me now. (Like a new pet) I keep turning around to make sure it's still there, but getting ready to go out and see if the tires will fill up. I don't think they will, but other than that it appears rideable!
I really appreciate you taking the time to reply. Thanks, and this sure is a great message board! I can't wait to see the Antique Roadshow session, as I watch it anyway regularly! Now bikes!
Best,
Den (illinois)
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Monark Trophy. (here are some pictures, it's nice) posted by Den on 10/6/2004 at 4:30:59 AM
Yes! The balloons held air! I picked my son up from the School bus. She groaned and squeaked a lot once I took off. But once he got off the Bus and I had him jump up on the rack (I wonder how many kid's get to do that on today's bikes?) We rode all the way to the river and then back home! What an experience for all three of us, the bike included. They don't make them like this anymore!
Happy hunting bike collectors!
Den.
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AGE / VALUE:   Maker of Roadside Cruiser posted by: Steve on 10/1/2004 at 12:48:50 AM
I picked up a "Roadside Cruiser" today and was wondering if anyone might know the manufacturer or anything else about it. It is a Boy's 26 inch cruiser style with 26X2.125 inch tires. The badge is just a stickon and the print wore off so the only thing I'm going on is the name of the chain guard. The paint is original tan with a darker brown pin strip. I don't think it's too old and I don't think it's a brand name, but I'd like to know anyway. Thanks
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FOR SALE:   Balloon tire bikes for sale in Central PA. posted by: Jeff Bikeguy on 9/30/2004 at 4:26:20 PM
Time to make some room! Just too many bikes around...

All have original paint.

Close to Carlisle/Hershey, PA area. No shipping, pick up only. For you folks coming for the shows in Carlisle/Trexlertown/Hershey this week...

1951 Schwinn/BF Goodrich Red Phantom…$1200
1952 Schwinn Streamliner 24” wheel, tank, light, rack…$500
1940 Schwinn Ladies bike, coffin tank, springer, headlight…$600
1940/41? Schwinn/Henderson Autocycle, Straightbar, tank, rack, fenderlight, locking springer…$1100
1955 Schwinn Corvette middleweight 3 spd…$350
1955 Murray Aero Line (Ladies), tank, rack, headlight…$250
1951 Shelby Airflo 24” wheel (Girls) springer, rack, lights, tank…$500
1950 (?) Huffy Convertible (Girls) 20” wheel, tank, light, training wheels …$125
1938/39 Schwinn/BF Goodrich DX, tank light, rack …$350
1943 Columbia wartime bike (ladies) blackout parts…$100

Email kingsting@aol.com for details.

I'm working on getting pictures of these. Some are packed away in boxes for storage.

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AGE / VALUE:   Painted Rims posted by: John on 9/29/2004 at 2:17:02 AM
Hey. Wondering if anyone out there has any ideas on how to handle small rust scratches and spots of rust on a painted rim. I realize I'm not going to bring the paint back, but looking to kind of remove the orange color of the rust and generally blend it in a little. Painting is out of the question. Thanks
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Painted Rims posted by gary m on 9/29/2004 at 4:01:12 AM
soak it in wd40 for a day or 2 get extra fine steel or brass wool and work it softly, and evenly, even a light clean makes a tremendous difference. that old paint is real thick. wash it good and then wax it, as the residue from steel wool isnt goos it rusts in hours.
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AGE / VALUE:   Need help with unknown bike brand/origin posted by: Ralph on 9/26/2004 at 4:08:51 AM
Has anyone here ever run across a European-brand bike by the name of Rollmar? I picked one up on the cheap on EBay, and have never seen nor found references to another like it. I'd like to get an approximate age and country of origin, if possible--plus any other info anyone can offer. Judging by the materials and manufacturing (lugged steel) and some of the componentry (e.g., rod brakes, huge-ass white Brooks saddle, generator lamps, etc.) I am guessing that this bike was manufactured in the 60s perhaps. The decal on the top tube says "Rollmar Bicicleta", which would seem to suggest an Italian, or maybe Spanish, manufacturer. But it's got a lot of mystery components from all over western Europe--German generator lamps, Sachs Torpedo rear hub (English), Nisi (Italian?) rims, Italian-made cranks and seatpost, Michelin English-made tires (apparently) and Austrian tubes--a real mongrel, in other words. But it's got a certain flair--fully enclosed chain casing, big swoopy fenders front and back,and those cool, if somewhat ineffective, rod brakes. Paint, decals,and chrome are all in great condition, but tires are terminally
dry-rotted.

Does anyone know anything about this bike, or can you direct me to a source that might? Thanks in advance.

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BALLOON:   Phantom Rear Light posted by: bryan on 9/24/2004 at 5:11:56 PM
Have a phantom rear light, can't get it to work. Has funky components inside (a little rectangular box with spring), possibly to support a brake light(?). Anyone dug into these before? A schematic or diagram would be most helpful, or perhaps guidance on where to go for info?
I can take & post a photo if that helps.
Thanks to all in advance!
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   RE:BALLOON:   Phantom Rear Light posted by Tom on 10/5/2004 at 7:31:15 PM
I am celebrating this week, I just got my Jaguar light completely working. This info is all from trial and error, no authoriative material was found. The box should have a small 'wire' attached to it that is threaded thru a hole in the creme colored light case. The 'wire' does not conduct current, it just pulls the mechanism inside the box toward the front of the bike until the mechanism makes contact. I attached this wire to the back brake, with a black fishing leader, so that when the brake is engaged the wire is pulled forward and activates the brake light. The light should shine with out this brake light anyway. When the switch is in the on position, the back light should shine . When the switch is in the "activated" position, the light only shines when the braked is pulled. When in the off position, no light what so ever. The great part about this rearlight is that when it is on, (and therefore the light is shining) and you brake, the light gets even brighter!
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   RE:BALLOON:   Phantom Rear Light posted by Tom on 10/5/2004 at 7:31:24 PM
I am celebrating this week, I just got my Jaguar light completely working. This info is all from trial and error, no authoriative material was found. The box should have a small 'wire' attached to it that is threaded thru a hole in the creme colored light case. The 'wire' does not conduct current, it just pulls the mechanism inside the box toward the front of the bike until the mechanism makes contact. I attached this wire to the back brake, with a black fishing leader, so that when the brake is engaged the wire is pulled forward and activates the brake light. The light should shine with out this brake light anyway. When the switch is in the on position, the back light should shine . When the switch is in the "activated" position, the light only shines when the braked is pulled. When in the off position, no light what so ever. The great part about this rearlight is that when it is on, (and therefore the light is shining) and you brake, the light gets even brighter!
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MISC:   question on original finish on rims of 1942 Schwinn New World posted by: Lenny on 9/24/2004 at 3:59:50 PM
Hi All,

I'm currently doing some repair work on a 1942 Schwinn New World for a friend of the family. It was the bike he rode as a teen in the early '40s. I want to preserve the origninal finish as much as possible (there's quite a bit of rust on it but everything appears to still be sound structurally) so I'm just trying to clean it the best I can, protect the finish with paste wax, and redo all the bearings.

My question is this: does anyone know what type of finish Schwinn used for the wheel rims of these bikes during the WWII era? I can find no traces of either chrome or any kind of paint on the steel [EA1] rims. There is a brown rusty coating on the rims now but it is so uniform that I suspect that the rims may have originally have had some type of rust-retarding treatment applied in place of a paint finish. I have seen firearms that have had a "parkerized" finish to retard rust and I've read that this process was developed during WWII. I'm wondering if Schwinn used some similar process during this time, as chrome was, I assume, in short supply during WWII.

A rough original finish on the rims would have not caused problems with caliper brakes as this model has only a coaster brake.

Regards,
Lenny
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   RE:MISC: question on original finish on rims of 1942 Schwinn New World posted by Jeff Bikeguy on 9/30/2004 at 4:17:53 PM
My 1942 New World has white enameled rims without any pinstripes. These were probably made by Lobdell. I'm not sure what you have but I have seen some painted balloon tire bike rims (red especially) that would get a lot of surface rust on them giving the appearance of being plain metal.
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MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Manufacture year of two Schwinn Typhoons posted by: John on 9/24/2004 at 2:02:44 AM
Can someone settle an arguement? I have two Schwinn Typhoons with serial numbers as follows: B30552, A46873. I say because they only have 5 digits they cant be after 1958 because I believe they used six digits. And if they are prior to 58 then what year? Because for 1952: B00001-B99999, and 1953 B00001-B99999. Which year. And for the second one: 1951 A01370-A87593, and 1953 A00001-A99999, which year? My friend says the first one is Feb 1963 and the second Jan 1964. Someone straigten us out. Thanks in advance. John
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   OLD SCHWINN ,BUILT FOR TWO, ,QUESTIONS posted by DAVID on 10/7/2004 at 3:45:47 PM
HAD THIS BIKE FOR YEARS,BOUGHT IT NEW,AM 76YR.WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY I MIGHT SELL IT STILL IN PERFECT SHAPE,ALL ORIGNAL PARTS.THANK YOU,DAVE. P.S. GETTEN OLD !!!


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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Manufacture year of two Schwinn Typhoons posted by Gordon on 9/24/2004 at 11:34:20 PM
I don't know about the serial numbers, but according to my book the Typhoon was introduced in 1962.
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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Manufacture year of two Schwinn Typhoons posted by john on 9/25/2004 at 4:41:19 PM
Thanks Gordon. Thats one way to solve it, but I would still like to figure out this serial number thing. I know someone out there knows, so please educate me. By the way Gordon, what is the name of your book?
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   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Manufacture year of two Schwinn Typhoons posted by Gordon on 9/25/2004 at 11:09:30 PM
The book is "Collectible Schwinn-Built Bicycles 1950's - 1965". The serial numbers you have given don't jive with the numbers in this book. I'm assuming they are on the left rear drop out. In April of 1958 they started using the first letter being month, second character (number) being the year. For example, D836694, was April 1958.
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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT: Manufacture year of two Schwinn Typhoons posted by Rif on 9/26/2004 at 4:02:09 PM
I have to say your friend is correct.
The Typhoon was introduced in 1962-
The 1962 had a one year only frame in that it had two STRAIGHT lower tubes that went into the rear seat stays, after that it was a typical cantilever frame.
I had three Typhoons (now down to two); a 1963 (oct. '63)
And a 1966 (March '66).
E-mail me off the board and I will send you the exact day they were built... Please put 'Typhoon' in the subject header when you e-mail, otherwise I'll just delete it as spam without reading it.
Hope this helps,
Rif
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AGE / VALUE:   when was this made? posted by: lisa on 9/24/2004 at 12:44:41 AM
I found a woman's blue Columbia bicycle - stickers say "Custom Built, cold forged", "Bromleigh" - it is 3 speed, internal with front and rear brakes; blue with chrome fenders -
any ideas (I cannot find a serial number)
thanks
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AGE / VALUE:   Evans Viscount 400 Middleweight posted by: Eric Brow on 9/23/2004 at 8:03:33 PM
Hi. I have a Evans bicycle and it's a Viscount 400 model. It's a middleweight bicycle. I got it for my birthday. It was my grandpa's bike that he bought from someone back in the 1960's. I would like to know approximately when it's from, and about how much it might be worth. It's not in great shape, the paint needs to be re-done, fenders are about 70% clean, needs new decals, it has 26 x 1.75 tires, original seat (been re-covered recently to look original), no rust, and it may be missing an original headlight. If anyone could please give me ANY information about an Evans Viscount 400, I'd GREATLY appreciate it. If anyone had pictures of one also, that'd be nice too. I think it may be from the late 1950's, or the early 1960's. I could try to get a picture if you need one of it.

Also, I would like to repaint it if I can get decals made, and I was wondering if anyone knows where or how I can find out the exact (or very close) color of it when it was new. It was red. It's difficult to tell the exact color from it, except where in a few spots it was covered by grime and the paint stayed pretty good. I'm just not sure if it didn't fade. It looks like it might have been a bright red.

Thanks in advance!
Eric
(Note, this bike is an Evans, not Evans-Colson.)

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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Evans Viscount 400 Middleweight posted by Jim on 9/25/2004 at 4:41:42 PM
Eric,
Check your email. I have a brochure that will help you.
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BALLOON:   theCABES Classic bike forums posted by: Scott on 9/21/2004 at 2:46:01 AM
Checkout The Classic and Antique Bicycle Exchange's new forums.

http://www.thecabe.com/phpbb2/index.php

We were having problems with unauthorized users posting non bicycle matter, and thanks to Dave Stromberger, WEBGURU, we now have killer new software that is easy to use.

As you can see, there are forums for every interest of bicycle collecting.

I hope you give it a try.

Enjoy!

Scott McCaskey
www.thecabe.com
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MISC:   Royce Union posted by: Russ on 9/20/2004 at 11:57:19 AM
My neighbor has a 20" boys Royce Union Bike in very good condition. On the seat and brake arm it says Made In Japan.Is there any way to begin to date this bike?.
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MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Looking for History posted by: Bill on 9/19/2004 at 1:50:51 AM
I have an older bike I ride often. People ask me about it,and I'd like to be able to pass on info. about it.
The goose neck brass name plate shows: Chicago Cycle and Supply Co. Chicago U.S.A. "Liberty" with a picture of the statue of liberty. It has a two speed in the hub shifter with "New Departure 2 Speed" stamped on the shift arm. Any info. such as age, value, etc. would be appreciated (I can't find a serial nr.) Thanks in advance..
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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Looking for History posted by sam on 9/19/2004 at 2:37:06 PM
Chicago Cycle and Supply was just that a Bicycle supply company must noted for using Schwinn supplied bikes or frames.Would need to do more reserch before you claim it to be a Schwinn .Serial number might be on the bottom bracket,but schwinn numbers before 47 are lost.Can you post a photo--showing the sprocket?---sam
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   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Looking for History posted by Bill on 9/20/2004 at 10:01:52 PM
Sam - I have a pic. of the sprocket, which to me is unique as it is made up with heart shapes inside it. I looked for a SN. again. NO LUCK. I don't know how to get the pic. of the sprocket from my computer to this site.
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   RE:RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Looking for History posted by sam on 9/25/2004 at 2:41:47 AM
Email me the photo at samclingo@hotmail.com
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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Looking for History posted by sam on 9/30/2004 at 2:10:00 AM
Bill saved a B-10(first style of ballooner) form the trash!
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AGE / VALUE:   old girls bikes, worth anything? posted by: j on 9/13/2004 at 6:49:10 PM
recently I got two girls bikes that seem to be from the 50's. (both coaster brake)
ones a 24" with whitewalls, pink fenders, rack, chain gaurd with torpedo headlight and white frame made by rollfast.

the other is a greenblue amf "sky piolt" with rack, fake headlight, 26" black tires.
both are in ok condition, are they worth anything or should I just chop them up to build something?
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   old girls bikes, worth anything? posted by Kurt K on 9/14/2004 at 12:23:27 AM
Don't you dare cut 'em up Jake! ;-)

Seriously, I'm interested in that torpedo headlight....does it have any markings on it? Do call me....

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   old girls bikes, worth anything? posted by j on 9/20/2004 at 4:35:01 AM
ok no one replyed so I'm chopping them up....kurt you wont want the headlight, its a got some surface rust, and I know how your afraid of rust :)
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   old girls bikes, worth anything? posted by Kurt K on 9/20/2004 at 9:06:44 PM
If it's the light I think it is, I'll take it if it was smashed under a truck.
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AGE / VALUE:   JC Higgins posted by: John Berry on 9/12/2004 at 8:02:04 PM
Picked up A JC Higgins ballooner serial# 62711. Tank bike with carrier and skip tooth chain. Can anybody tell me the age from the SN or do i need to post a photo?
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   JC Higgins posted by Gordon on 9/14/2004 at 5:54:57 PM
There are no serial number charts that I am aware of for jC Higgins. Post a photo - preferably from the chainguard side.
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