AGE / VALUE:   Is it collectable posted by: Bob on 3/11/2005 at 10:59:35 PM
I found a bike that has a Sterling head badge & on seat down tube has Harley Davidson, I was told the year was 1915 - 25. The bike is original paint, needs cleaned & waxed. No horn tank or light. Rims are orig. but painted silver, fenders are great no dings or rust. I can buy this bike, is there any place I might find approx. value. This person also has a matching girls bike in like condition.

Thanks in advance; Bob
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Is it collectable posted by Gordon on 3/12/2005 at 12:14:04 AM
Sounds a little fishy to me. The few Harley bikes I've seen had a Harley Davidson headbadge and the letters "HD" cut into the chain ring 3 times. The were made by the Davis Sewing Machine Company. Is the lettering on the down tube painted or a decal? It is unlikely that any bike that early would have a decal. (My opinion.)
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Is it collectable posted by Brian on 3/12/2005 at 4:11:11 AM
It is possible that the bike was sold by a HD dealer and they put that decal on it. Like Gordon said a genuine Harley Davidson bicycle, 1917-1921, would have a headbadge with Harley Davidson on it. Most HD bicycles had the HD chainrings except for some ladies and childrens models. Only the 1919 HD had a tank, others may have had an after market tank.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Is it collectable posted by John M. on 3/13/2005 at 12:42:29 PM
There is some further info available at www.firstflightbikes.com . Go to bike history and click on
Dayton. Hope this helps.
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Is it collectable posted by kim on 3/14/2005 at 2:13:02 PM
If it said "Indian" I'd give it more credibility.
Indian motorcycles and bicycles were made in Massachusetts where Sterlings (and Columbias and Westfields) were made.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Is it collectable posted by Vickie on 5/26/2006 at 2:21:15 PM
I have an 1919 Harley Davidson Bicycle, not in good shape it is missing the front tire. It has Harley Davidson on the chain drive? and by the handle bars. I was wondering what it is worth.
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AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Spifire 1939? Info please. posted by: Dave on 3/10/2005 at 4:04:23 AM
I have a Schwinn Spitfire lady's bicycle in very good all original condition. Good paint, chrome, even the original 26 inch painted rims (with good coaster brake) and Allstate balloon tires hold air and show very little wear and no cracking. It has the original front and rear fenders with rear reflector.

Frame color is Blue and beige/ivory and paint is in good condition (alittle surface rust here and there) with the original Mesinger seat (very good with no rips), handlebars, Heavy Wald front basket, Heavy kickstand and a forged, decorative handlebar stem. Crank arms and gear have good chrome.

A couple of newsgroup members told me that the bike is from 1939. What I do know is that unlike very similar lady's Spitfires from the fifties, my bike has two cross-braces between the two curved down-tubes, instead of the usual one or none. It also has an headbadge that only has the name "Spitfire" embossed across the front of a picture of an old multi-cylinder airplane engine and propeller as seen from head-on. The headbadges that I have found online always have nothing more than the words "Schwinn" and "Spitfire" with no graphics. I can email photos to anyone who is curious about it.

My question is, Is this bike worth restoring? Although it is in better condition than most I see online, the ones I see only seem to be worth about $100, if that. Please help - I am not very knowledgeable about Schwinns. I am more of a 70's Raleigh person. Thanks for your help.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Spifire 1939? Info please. posted by John M. on 3/13/2005 at 12:48:50 PM
Many bikes are restored not for monetary value but because they are a certain brand someone likes or merely because it is old and they like it. I would advertise the bike for sale and likely a Schwinn enthusiast will purchase it.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Schwinn Spifire 1939? Info please. posted by Dave on 3/13/2005 at 3:07:55 PM
Thanks for the advice, but it is mostly the graphics-laden Spitfire headbadge that has me stumped. I thought someone might be able to identify year, value, etc. based on it. I have not found another like it anywhere.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Spifire 1939? Info please. posted by doug on 3/20/2005 at 2:31:06 PM
I see these go for 350.00 average all the time dont sell it too cheap!
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BALLOON:   Info on Sick old bike (Kosyuya) posted by: Dave on 3/9/2005 at 9:24:18 PM
I just bought a rusty old Japanese bike to restore. I can't find any information anywhere! I think it's pretty special, with band brake, tons of cloisonne badges, etc.

I loaded some images to:
http://photobucket.com/albums/y36/bikenutz

Here's the rundown:
Identification:
Kosyuya Works (Trademark) on head tube
KoSHUYASYoTENLTD on head tube
KRN stamped various places on frame
K (stylized inside a circle) stamped on frame and fenders

Wheels:
24" diameter, 1.65" wide, .85" inside bead (chrome)
Stamped "AKY" or "ARY" stylized inside a circle

Brakes:
Lever activated off handlebars, no cables, solid linkage via bellcranks, etc.
Front: Brake pads lift upwards, act upon inside of rim. Mechanism stamped "Special" (chrome)
Rear: Friction (band) brake inside hub. Marked "High Clars, BAND BRAKE, Special Chrome" (chrome) - maybe High Class?
Also marked with Kosyuya Works emblem and "Trademark"

Headlamp:
"Matsushiya Hyper Dyno Lamp”. No room for batteries, appears to be run off generator.
Glass is 3 1/2" diameter (missing). Reflector inside, place for a bulb.
Broken bracket on rear frame member appears to have carried a generator at one time.
Misc grounding clamps on bike with wires sticking out support this theory.

Seat:
Spring-suspended, frame only. Cantilevered support bar. Stamped "Made in Italy" underneath
Front portion oddly hinged. Will need to have leather cover custom-made.

Crank:
3-piece. Arms (L/R) clamp onto either side of crank (chrome).

Pedals:
Roughly 3 1/2" wide by 3" long in total. Standard footpeg with (2) square rubber pieces.

Handlebars:
Swept back, chrome. Metal caps on each end (screw in center). Small riveted pieces loose, probably held grips.

Front fender:
"K" badge (brass) prominent on top of front fender.
"K" (stylized inside circle) on top of front forks
(2) Japanese badges on back of front fender (no English)

Rear fender:
(1) Kosyuya Works emblem on top of rear fender
Reflector: Housing marked "LUCKY". Glass lens (broken) marked "Kimura Lens 17" and "KG" over elongated "W"
Glass is 2 1/2" diameter, with 2" visible (remainder under housing flange)

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   RE:BALLOON: Info on Sick old bike (Kosyuya) posted by sam on 3/10/2005 at 2:39:56 AM
Somewhere on the web is a Japan Bicycle History site.They may be of help.These are very well made rod brake bikes--they tend to be a little on the small side (24").I think the rear brake has a replaceable leather band.---sam
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   RE:RE:BALLOON: Info on Sick old bike (Kosyuya) posted by Dave on 3/11/2005 at 2:51:32 PM
Thanks Sam. I found the site, but what I need is a "contact" in Asia. I'm sure there are folks in Japan just as passionate about old bikes as we are. Any suggestions?
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WANTED:   Sears Spaceliner posted by: mike on 3/9/2005 at 2:22:36 AM
i just got a chrome sears spaceliner frame/fork and now im looking for a tank (downtube mounted), chainguard and possibly rack. i dont know much about it but have seen the pics in the bike book. i am open to trading it for a road bike/frame in the 53cm-55cm range
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   RE:WANTED:   Sears Spaceliner posted by John M. on 3/13/2005 at 12:54:09 PM
These bikes were made for Sears by Murray. A tank is hard to find because they were plastic and kids usually broke them. Sometimes ebay has parts of this sort.
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MIDDLEWEIGHT:   61 schwinn jag IV (coaster brake)??? posted by: kevin on 3/8/2005 at 11:37:12 PM
has anyone ever seen a 61' mark IV jaguar with coaster brakes and single speed.?... i did read somewhere that they came in 3 speed, 2 speed, and coaster. i've just never seen one, but i now have a chance to pick one up,(black), in good condition for $500.usd. . so do these exist, and is it a fair deal...?.
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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   61 schwinn jag IV (coaster brake)??? posted by Gordon on 3/9/2005 at 3:31:42 AM
My list for 1961 shows the Schwinn Jaguar available in 2 or 3 speed or coaster. Doesn't say Mark IV, just Jaguar. I would never pay $500 for one, but that is my personal opinion. I just sold a decent 1958 Schwinn Corvette with stainless fenders for $142.50 on eBay.
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   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   61 schwinn jag IV (coaster brake)??? posted by Ken on 3/10/2005 at 1:23:57 AM
Mk IV is correct
http://www.geocities.com/sldbconsumer/1961/61ccpg11.html
with every cable, rack, and lamp, in sterile condition, $500 might not be too much- but I'm not a curator...
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   RE:RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   61 schwinn jag IV (coaster brake)??? posted by Kurt K. on 3/12/2005 at 12:42:40 AM
Remember, he said "good condition." I don't think any Schwinn Jaguar is worth $500 unless it's near perfect - I see decent, presentable ones with little work to be done (and rather decent paint) going on eBay from $30-$150.

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   61 schwinn jag IV (coaster brake)??? posted by Rich on 3/19/2005 at 6:45:47 PM
MarkIV jaguar is correct I have a black 3 speed. I am missing the front light and the front so called rat trap. I got it in 8th grade many moons ago.
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