BALLOON:   1952 Schwinn Phantom -- 1950 Panther -- Help posted by: Bill on 11/7/2007 at 10:05:43 PM
I need some information. I have a 1952 Phantom I am in the process of restoring. The rear hub (which was on the bike when I purchased it)is a single speed coaster brake BENDIX. The brake arm and hub are painted (factory paint silver grey) the brake arm has painted red letters BENDIX- The hub is smooth (no grooves) and is stamped BENDIX with Elmira, NY 36-13 under that . Is or could this be the original hub? I am in question because it is a painted hub -- on a Phantom ???? I read somewhere about some items not being Chromed during the Korean War ?????
Also I have a 1950 Panther mens tank that has a larger than the Phantom size horn button hole. I am having a bit of a problem finding correct horn button can anyone Help ? Thanks in advance for any help.
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   RE:BALLOON:   1952 Schwinn Phantom -- 1950 Panther -- Help posted by Bill on 11/7/2007 at 10:39:19 PM
I failed to mention that the rear Bendix hub has a 22 tooth sprocket.
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   RE:BALLOON:   1952 Schwinn Phantom -- 1950 Panther -- Help posted by Gordon on 11/8/2007 at 4:57:07 AM
Sounds like the 2 speed Bendix that shifts with the handlebar lever. The time frame would be correct for that hub also. If you look at the end of the axle on the righthand side, is there a hole in the center of the axle, or can you see a screw head in the center?
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   RE:BALLOON:   1952 Schwinn Phantom -- 1950 Panther -- Help posted by Bill on 11/8/2007 at 8:05:01 AM
No it's a single speed hub , solid axle, very basic.
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   RE:BALLOON:   1952 Schwinn Phantom -- 1950 Panther -- Help posted by Bill on 11/8/2007 at 11:47:31 AM
ALSO--- What this appears to be is a Morrow Hub - As I understand it, Morrow became Bendix about this time period(early fifties).I think this is a "Transition period hub" and is probably the correct period hub for the bike-- But, Is it "correct" for the bike? Also, if I chose to use a different hub say a New Departure, What would be "correct", A hub with lube hole or hub without lube ?
hole ? Chrome brake lever or Cad. ? Model D I suppose ? 22 tooth ? Thanks, Bill





Thanks, Bill
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BALLOON:   Schwinn Phantom posted by: Bill on 11/5/2007 at 7:23:40 PM
Hi, New to the discussion area. I would like to open a topic here that has bothered me for quiet a while now. In an attempt to find information on "correct parts" for the schwinn Phantom it has become apparent that there are many conflicting sources. I believe that there is a need for a source reference of correct equipment per each model and year of Schwinn heavyweight bicycles (there may be one that I am not aware of). The problem would be getting all of the "professionals" to agree on the content. Another concern I have encountered is the opinion of some, that a restored bicycle is somehow not desireable. What am I missing here? Here is a scenerio: some would rather have a rusted, parts missing, paint scratched "original" than a restored bike of same type, model, etc. -- That's fine with me if thats what they want, but why must the same person insist that my nicely restored Phantom is worthless...... No, it's not ... It was worthless when it was laying in the ditch rusted, bent, parts missing, forsaken & forgotten.... at least now it's alive again... repro parts or not. Please help me understand...

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   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Phantom posted by Skip on 11/6/2007 at 4:49:06 AM
I'm not sure a complete list of correct equipment per each model and year of Schwinn heavyweights exists as it does for Sting-Rays (see the 'Sting-Ray Summary' here on OldRoads).

One problem is that some Schwinn records were destroyed in a fire years ago.

It would be good to try to get a community effort working on this, but there will still be disagreements.
As with any manufactured product, various parts were used in different parts of the country.

On the restoration issue, I do agree that a rusted cycle found in a ditch is better off restored than being left in the ditch. But for cycles in better original shape, remember this: "It's only original once".



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   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Phantom posted by bill on 11/6/2007 at 9:03:35 AM
Thanks for the reply.. I would never restore a NICE original. But... how many truly NICE originals are there available -- and who can afford them? I guess my point is: There are many different opinions out there. Who is right? I know there are bicycle clubs shows & ect. out there, Do any of these organizations have a set of rules as per each catagory or class ? I.E.---Orig, restored, semi-restored, custom, & etc. I just feel like a "SUPERIOR" reference guideline would be helpful to clear up some of the differences of opinion. I am in this for the fun of it, I enjoy it, but at the same time I want my "finished product" to be correct. I realize that some facts can not be disputed ... I.E. --- A set of Murray forks do not belong on a Phantom... What I am talking about is the nitty gritty stuff ...... Type of plating, hubs (styles, types, types of script), bolts, washers, nuts, ---on and on--- , My point is: Three different "experts" looking at each others bikes, could pick each others cycles to death.
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   RE:BALLOON: Schwinn Phantom posted by joel on 11/6/2007 at 10:05:48 AM
Couple of points:
The Phantom is probably the most documented bicycle out there. They vary a little depending on the year, and some have more deluxe options. Here's an ad showing features and there are catalog pages for all years on this site
http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1951_1959/1953_01.html

Phantoms are very common, also very much in demand. Since there are so many originals out there, it is more difficult to resell a restored bike, especially one that was not restored by a well known professional. Reproduction parts will further devalue the bike.

The Schwinn fire was in 1948. Not many Phantom records would have been effected...

There is more misinformation than fact out there on the internet. Get to know the people in the hobby who are knowlegable if you have questions. Most of the things you mentioned could be resolved by looking at ads or an original bike of the right year.
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   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Phantom posted by Bill on 11/6/2007 at 5:14:14 PM
Hey, Thanks for the great link !!! I have many interests, most of them around the antique catagory - Tube radios, furniture, clocks, brass blade Emerson fans, vending machines & etc. Parts are hard to find-- These things take a lot of time, skill, devotion, & money to complete , but when your through - You have something..... Not some plastic throw it away when it quits because you can't repair it- foreign made piece of nothing. I don't sell much of what I restore. Basically if I don't want it to keep I don't restore it. Anyone who has done much restoration work knows that you very seldom make any real money at it , in fact you could work at your hourly job on overtime and make a lot more than you ever would make off of restoring something correctly and then selling it. No for me it's the challenge and fun of it.
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   RE:RE:BALLOON: Schwinn Phantom posted by Joel on 11/7/2007 at 2:12:21 PM
Yea, I'm kinda the same way. I have more interests than space so it is necessary to sell sometimes to make space and upgrade the collection.

Memory Lane sells all the reproduction parts for the Phantom as well as decals, hardware, ect. And the original parts are out there, you just have to hunt them down. Enjoy.


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BALLOON:   How old is the bike posted by: John S. on 11/2/2007 at 3:47:54 AM
I bought this bike several weeks ago. Its a JC Higgins. It has both the name tag and name stamped on the rear brake lever. Underneath the crank are three groups of numbers/letters, one below the other. They are: MOST, MOD 50245500, 179656. The bike is a men's 24 inch as the tires are 24X2.125. I'm guessing the bike is dated anywhere from late 40's to mid 50's. any Ideas?
Thanks... John S.
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   RE:BALLOON: How old is the bike posted by John S. on 11/6/2007 at 4:52:37 AM
To my original question, can anyone direct me to either literature, website or how to decifer the "mod" code. Do you need any other info to help me out.

John S.
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   RE:BALLOON:   How old is the bike posted by Gordon on 11/6/2007 at 6:13:47 PM
I don't think anyone has ever found a code or serial number chart for JC Higgins. Your best bet is to post a photo and one of us with the Higgins, Elgin, Hawthorne book will try and i.d. it for you. Take the photo from the chain guard side. From the tire size, I'm sure your guess is correct - most bicycles went to 1.75 tire width after 1954.
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   RE:BALLOON: How old is the bike posted by John S. on 11/7/2007 at 9:20:32 PM
Thanks Gordon for the comments. I should have some pixs posted within the next few days. I'll post a side shot and several closeups.

thanks again
John s.
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   RE:BALLOON: How old is the bike posted by John S. on 11/9/2007 at 3:23:22 PM
attached are several pictures of the JC Higgins. I hope this helps out dating the bike. Please email with any other questions.

John S,


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   RE:BALLOON: How old is the bike posted by John S. on 11/14/2007 at 9:05:03 PM
Can anyone help me with the year of the bike based on the attached pictures.. or are more needed.

Please advise
john s.
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MIDDLEWEIGHT:   What is it posted by: Randy on 11/2/2007 at 12:57:09 AM
Help I just got this bike 2 days ago and I am trying to find out what it is.

I found this number stamped vertically on lower left side of head tube: D6779141


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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   What is it posted by ken on 11/2/2007 at 11:49:44 AM
The frame and chainwheel look Murray-built to me. nothing else appears to match; it's a hotrod. I recommend you go to
http://dclxvi.org/chunk/tech/index.html
to see how the great masters put big forks on these for experiments with the wide-band chunkulation field.
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   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   What is it posted by Randy on 11/2/2007 at 2:08:52 PM
thanks. Yeah the guy I bought it off of said he thought the frame was a murray. The seat and rack are schwinn items and those bars are 12" rise 1" dia apes from my motorcycle parts stash. it had some old rusted out bars on it and these are the same as the ones on my chop so I threw them on. Real nice ride, needs a new rear hub and maybe a springer. Not gonna paint it though I think it looks just right with the old faded blue.
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MIDDLEWEIGHT:   what is this bike? posted by: paul bennett on 10/29/2007 at 11:26:54 PM
can someone please tell me more about this bike, living in the uk i have never come across this make before. the name on the bike is a proven speedster, frame number is on the rear dropout.
view pics here http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/kpracing/cruiser/
any info would be helpfull.
mant thanks
paul.
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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   what is this bike? posted by password on 10/30/2007 at 3:35:35 AM
A password is needed to view that picture.
Just post the picture here.
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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   what is this bike? posted by paul on 10/30/2007 at 11:17:13 AM
sorry about that password removed on above link to more pictures.
paul.


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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   what is this bike? posted by Teresa on 10/30/2007 at 2:01:28 PM
I have a mans bike rollfast special add bike number on bike is 5757 can anyone tell me about it how old
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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   what is this bike? posted by Jim on 10/30/2007 at 2:38:36 PM
The bike is an AMF, probably Skyrider, from the late 1950's or early 1960's. Fairly common in the US, but the value is still rather low.
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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   what is this bike? posted by paul on 10/30/2007 at 3:49:12 PM
thanks for the reply, the badge on the head stock says proven, and on the chain guard it says proven speedster. if it is an amf were they a department store like j.c.higgins or were they manufacturers. i was also told it was a j.c.higgins bike but looking through the picture data base i can't find any bikes that are the same as this one. if you look at the photos in the link on my first post you will see it has quite a distinctive tank and light assembly.
paul.
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   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   what is this bike? posted by ken on 10/31/2007 at 11:03:58 AM
That's a good-looking bike. I covet the gadget on the handlebar.
Take a look at this:
http://www.nostalgic.net/pictures/1175.htm
and this
http://www.nostalgic.net/pictures/1705.htm
Note one has the same chainring, and both have the same chainguard, rims and maybe the rear rack.
AMF, American Machine & Foundry I think, was and I believe still is a conglomerate of epic proportions specializing in recreational products from pogo sticks to pinsetting machines - didn't they buy Harley-Davidson? Nowadays they are synonymous with bowling. I don't know that they absorbed Roadmaster, but it seems like a fair guess; someone here ought to know.
JC Higgins was a product line name belonging to Sears, Roebuck & Co, but probably no longer in use when your bike was built circa 1962... most of the Sears machines that bear a distinct design resemblance to your bike were Murray-built, and the resemblance was competitive and intentional.
I'm sure you have a rebadged Roadmaster, and hope you can learn who retailed the Proven badge. What's your location? Do you see many U.S.-made bikes there? Please be sure to let us know what you learn.
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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   what is this bike? posted by DION on 11/7/2007 at 7:13:06 AM
I have a JC HIGGINS.I've been trying to get info.on.As far as i can tell it's a womans spaceliner made between 64-69,it looks alot like your's except for the low top bar on the frame,same headlight,handle bars,pedals,ect.I will try and post a pic..... maybe a comparison would help both of us find out more about our bikes.
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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   what is this bike? posted by DION on 11/7/2007 at 7:30:18 AM
Paul,try this link. http://.the cabe.com/museum/61.html the womens bike in the background look's exactly like mine,the one in front looks alot like yours.
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   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   what is this bike? posted by ken on 11/7/2007 at 11:42:52 AM
the spaceliner article on thecabe.com is deceptive. It implies that the Spaceliner is the first Murray-built that Sears carried, failing to mention the Flightliner. I would like some corroboration about the end of the JC Higgins timeframe. Dion, please note that Western Auto, Firestone, Gamble's and others sold Murrays that were very similar.
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   RE:RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   what is this bike? posted by DION on 11/8/2007 at 7:22:19 AM
KEN, ty... for your input on this subject,It will narrow my search for the ever elusive answer as to what make,model,ect,bike i have.Again thank you.....DION
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   what is this bike? posted by DION on 11/8/2007 at 7:37:20 AM
KEN,I checked on the FLIGHTLINER as you suggested,62 to be exact,and it lookes even closer to my bike then previous pics. that i have seen.narrowing and at the same time widening my search.I'm determind to find out exactly what bike i have.It's in great condition(besides most of the paint is now surface rust)I don't plan on trying to repaint,I think it's beautiful just the way it is,rust and all.
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   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT: what is this bike? posted by Emily on 3/8/2008 at 10:46:19 PM
I have a Rollfast Starlight. Any info on these? Manuals that came with it, parts, colors (mine's blue), tire type, whether it needs a light on the front, etc. I would like to know the year as well.

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