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Archived: Reproductions and Motorized Bicycles







MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   whatizit?!?! posted by: Rif Addams on 2/2/2001 at 11:00:54 AM
Hello, Hooray!
awhile back a friend of mine gave me a little 49cc, single cylinder, 4-stroke motor with integral gearbox. The only markings on this thing, (which is about the size of a whizzer motor only a bit wider)are: cast into the case '49cc', and stamped onto a machined pad '0044'.
The only emblem on this thing is the clutch cover which is kind of a flying arrow looking thing. Similar to an old AMF symbol. I've been to damn near every motorcycle shop in town, including the guru at our local motorcycle salvage yard. Nobody knows or they don't care.
I'd like to know what it is, so I can get the necesary parts to get it running again.
I have big plans for this little gem.
You see when I was 17 years old, I came across an old poster that was a reprint of an advertisement for the Flying Merkel motorcycle. I have been infatuated with this bike ever since. I would like to do a scaled down bike using the Merkel as my inspiration. I've been collecting bike parts to do this on and off for a couple of years now.
yesterday I did a rough design sketch and cataloged the parts I have. I'm getting there.
It'll be awhile as I have a couple of projects that are taking precedence over that at the moment, but I'm almost ready.
I just thought I'd share some more of my adventures in moto-bikeing with y'all!
Thanks for listening to my endless ramblings,
Rif


   RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   whatizit?!?! posted by Rif on 2/3/2001 at 8:23:59 AM
Well,
Thanks to this wonderful old bike/ motobike community I now know what this motor is. I e-mailed someone who I thought may have had an idea as to what this was, and sent a pic.
It turns out this is an old harley 50cc dirtbike motor. This persons neighbor has one, so he went over to look at it, comparing it with the picture and e-mailed back confirming this.
He believes it to be early 60's, but I can't help but wonder if it is early 70's when AMF took over, due to the emblem on the case. I will however, take his word as I have no real Idea; and he seems to really know his stuff!
Thanks once again Doug! I greatly appreciate the help!
Rif

   RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   whatizit?!?! posted by john on 3/30/2001 at 6:46:08 PM
Interested in a Harley Davidson AMF Roadmaster. I have two of them in almost working order but need some advise on wiring, and refinishing the plastic parts.






MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   New Whizzer seat for sale posted by: Greg on 1/29/2001 at 11:28:36 AM
I took this seat off of my Whizzer. It is new and unused and for sale on Ebay. The auction is at $5 right now. You can see it at this link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1109896491








MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Bike Bug Manual posted by: Rif Addams on 1/27/2001 at 10:02:14 AM
Hi All!
I now have an owners manual for the Bike-Bug motors. If anyone is interested I would be more than happy to make photocopies and send them.
It includes parts lists and numbers for all components used for this motor kit.
Thanks,
Rif


   RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Bike Bug Manual posted by Rif on 1/27/2001 at 11:51:30 AM
P.S.- Thank You again Doug, for sending this info to me. It has been a tremendous help!
Again, if anyone wants copies I will gladly (snail) mail them. Just E-mail me and let me know.
Rif

   RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Bike Bug Manual posted by Gordon on 2/22/2001 at 9:21:40 PM
Hello. I just left an e-mail for Rif on his generous offer. I also have questions for anyone about a Sears motor that is supposed to be identical to these. Can you order parts and manuals from any Sears store? Do they still sell them anywhere or did the lawyers kill them off?

   RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Bike Bug Manual posted by Dave Fisher on 3/8/2001 at 9:46:51 AM
If your offer is still good I'd really appreciate a copy of the parts manual sent to:
Dave Fisher
2023 M Ave.
Anacortes, WA 98221
Also are you aware of parts being available thru any distributor?
Much thanks!






FOR SALE:    whizzer, H model restored to new posted by: Rickey Riley on 1/12/2001 at 7:01:46 PM
H model whizzer for sale runs like new, tank is perfect, no flaws on this bike, must sell ordered new Harley. first $2,000.00 gets to ride







MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   MURRAY 26in MOTORIZED BIKE 49cc posted by: DOUGLAS D. on 1/10/2001 at 10:40:44 PM
Mens 26in bike, cruiser, With 49cc,2hp TECUMSEH TC-3 ENGINE KIT AND BIKE IN NEW CONDITION WITH EXTRAS +++ ENGINE KIT PURCHASED FROM ISLAND HOPPER BIKE MOTORS LESS THAN YEAR AGO. 1-year left on engine warranty. SELL COMPLETE- $450 contact dwdoogie@webtv.net


   RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   MURRAY 26in MOTORIZED BIKE 49cc posted by DOUGLAS D. on 1/12/2001 at 11:47:24 PM
On the motorized bike I have for sale, the wife got me fouled up PRICE IS $325 Has NOS fender mount light, electric horn also......Thanks Doug D.

   RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   MURRAY 26in MOTORIZED BIKE 49cc posted by Frank Skee on 1/29/2001 at 1:26:24 PM
I am interested in this motor/bike and your other bike motor. Please send details if still available.
Thanks, Frank

   RE:RE:MOTORIZED- SOLD_ posted by Doug D. on 1/30/2001 at 8:12:39 PM
BIKE SOLD-----Thanks Frank.......Thanks Rif for the posting...Doug






FOR SALE:   PROJECT MOTOR FOR BIKE,GOPED posted by: DOUG D. on 1/10/2001 at 10:32:23 PM
I have a brand new TECUMSEH-TC2 complete engine like used on the ISLAND HOPPER ENGINE KIT, Pretty sure it is a 35cc, 1.5hp, NEVER BEEN STARTED, would make a great motor to build a motorized bike or goped. Sell For $70 + around $10 shipping


   RE:FOR SALE:   PROJECT MOTOR FOR BIKE,GOPED posted by Doug D. --SOLD-- on 1/30/2001 at 8:16:42 PM
MOTOR SOLD, thanks for looking.






MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   More on Clip on cycle motors posted by: Simon Dew on 1/10/2001 at 9:11:46 PM
I've clipped the motor onto my 57 Herc by braising two homemade lugs to the forks. This seemed the most reversable and simplest method. It goes like a charm and extends the range I would travel on my bike 100 fold. I have been driven off the road by people wanting a look. I would be very interested to know who manufactures the motorized skate board motors which I think would be ideal for bikes. Any ideas?







WANTED:   part for 1947 wizzer moter bike posted by: Dave on 1/10/2001 at 3:08:11 PM
I am 60 years old.i have a wizzer moter i perchaced when
i was 14 years old and i'd like to restore it.i need a fuel
tank and a pully for the back wheel.can you help.
thank you Dave.







MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Homemade motorbikes posted by: Eric on 1/3/2001 at 2:16:31 PM
For those who are curious about the 50's art of homemade motor bikes here are a few of the tricks used for building and powering your bicycle. The motor is a horizontal shaft 3 to 4 horseposwer 4 stroke Briggs and Stratton (that was the only lawnmower available to us in the 50's, any substitute with the same dimensions would work). The motor is fastened to the right side of the bike, it is bolted onto a piece of angle iron with at least a three inch lip. The angle iron is fastened to the v in the bicycle frame with u-bolts. The angle iron can be slotted in a front to rear fashion where the motor bolts down for ease in adding or loosening tension on the belt. The head bolt of the motor should be even with the top bar on a boys bike so a bolt from the head can be loosened and a metal strap can be fitted to wrap around the bar and afford a tight fit of the motor against the frame. The simplest drive will be a centrifical clutch added to the crankshaft and a sheave pulley which can be found at a Wizzer dealer (we used to rob the sheaves from water cooler pulleys in the junk yards). This pulley is mounted to the spokes of the rear wheel on the left side and attached with lock washers, the proper spin balancing of this pulley is imperative. Some of the smaller bikes such as the sting ray which came out in the late 50's or early 60's had small rims and the pulleys were carefully spot welded to the wheel proper. A v-belt of the right length is then fitted around the wheel pulley, the wheel is attached to the bike and then the belt is fitted around the centrifical clutch. The chain may be left on the bike for use with the pedals for breaking purposes, but we fitted our bikes with front and rear hand brakes. This is the basic drive train, many knowledgeable youngsters fitted their bikes with homemade grip throttles, secondary gas tanks, on off switches, running lights, extended pipes, removed pedals and added foot rests, added tensioners that worked as hand clutches to accomplish wheelies and fast take offs, and some of these creations were extremely fast. Of the hundreds of bikes I saw built and ridden I never knew of one serious accident and we rode these bikes in traffic, but that was in the 50's. One boy built a chain driven model, the pedal shaft was removed and a ball bearing shaft was constructed with sprockets on each side. The motor was fitted with a centrifical chain clutch and attached to one end of the shaft and the right side of the shaft was chained directly to the original sprocket on the rear wheel. This bike was clocked in excess of 55 mph, a battery was tied down over the front wheel to keep it from becoming air born. Because of the gear ratio the take off was extremely slow but boy the top end was incredible. I could go on and on with stories of those most wonderful times and the ingenuity and creativity that went into some of these machines but I hope the little I have shared will prompt others to use their imaginations and get with their child or grandchildren and share an experience that will live within your family forever. Unfortunately we have not been graced with grandchildren yet, I resurrected one old motorbike many years ago with my son. I plan on building one or two with the neighborhood youngsters this summer, I am now in the process of gathering the needed parts. At 51 I shall ride like the wind and be the first to test pilot the "machine" while the young ones look on in anticipation. Feel free to email me if you need any suggestions for your homemade motorbike.

Eric in Fort Worth


   RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Homemade motorbikes posted by Ken O. on 1/5/2001 at 2:18:47 PM
Eric,
Thanks for taking the time to enter that.
I'm on a hunt for a side-shaft lawn mower engine. All I can find at my local dump are vertical shaft engines.
Have you ever been able to do it with a vert shaft?

Thanks

   RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Homemade motorbikes posted by Eric on 1/6/2001 at 8:37:11 AM
Ken,

It would be quite an engineering task and not worth the effort and extra cost to make a changeover. Try your local shade-tree lawmower repair guys, they should have plenty of used motors cheap, especially this time of year. If anyone is interested I will gladly email step by step photos of the motorbike project as it progresses.

Eric in Fort Worth

   RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Homemade motorbikes posted by BillG on 1/25/2001 at 6:32:32 AM
Can you send the photos to VVVintage so they get into the picture database? That way everyone can see them.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Homemade motorbikes posted by Gordon on 3/3/2001 at 9:30:42 PM
Why not find a snow-blower or roto-tiller motor. These are horizontal shaft, and the new 2-stroke snow-blowers would be a nice light motor. Unless you live in the south, I guess.

   RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Homemade motorbikes posted by Josh on 3/16/2001 at 7:29:22 PM
could you send me some pics too. thanks!

   RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Homemade motorbikes posted by GENE on 3/18/2001 at 5:02:53 PM
COULD YOU SEND ME PICTURES OF YOUR BIKE

   RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Homemade motorbikes posted by Eric on 3/30/2001 at 12:11:28 PM
Howdy From Texas,
Thanks for all the emails and replies, it looks as though there is great interest in the old art of the homemade motorbike. This should be fun, as soon as weather permits I will send anyone who either replies to this section or emails me directly, a photo of parts I have accumulated and necessary for the project. Once you see how simple the approach is you will be engineering your very own motorized bicycle.






REPRODUCTIONS:   Need values for 3 reproduction bicycles posted by: Sharon Nealeigh on 1/2/2001 at 11:27:15 AM
I am trying to value three reproduction bicycles: A Schwinn Black Phantom 7-speed reproduction (black and red); a Columbia modern reproduction of a Five Star Superb bicycle (green and white); and a modern reproduction of a Western Flyer bicycle (red and black, gold trimmings). Does anyone know where I can get some information with regard to retail replacement value on these bicycles? I'm "spinning my wheels" trying to find the right websites or sources of this information.

Thanks!


   Clip on Bicycle Motor posted by Simon on 1/2/2001 at 5:46:25 PM
My brother just gave me a small English clip on Bicycle motor. It has an egg shaped petrol tank and drives the front wheel (I an fairly confident of this) directly from the crank shaft which has an abrasive finish. It simply drops onto the wheel and drives it. I assume that it works on the same principle as a golf cart in that when you throttle off the motor simply stops. The Amal carb has no idle jet which tends to support this theory. There is sadly no identification on it apart from the Wico-pacy mag and Amal carburator, which is why I assume its English. I have looked on other Moped sites and have only confirmed that it isn't a Trojan Mini-Motor or a Power-Pack. If anyone can help me with identification and or the precise method of attachment I would be very pleased. I have plans of attaching it to my 1957 Hercules 28" bike and then watch out New Zealand!
Cheers
Simon Dew

   RE:REPRODUCTIONS:   Need values for 3 reproduction bicycles posted by tom on 1/10/2001 at 10:11:53 PM
dear sharon, the western flyer is $895.00 retail(just bought one 3 days ago $450.00) the phantom is $519.00(just priced one last month at local schwinn dealer) hope this helps, tom.

   RE:REPRODUCTIONS:   Need values for 3 reproduction bicycles posted by Jim Divoky on 1/14/2001 at 6:08:15 PM
http://www.ebay.com has become the price book on collectible prices.

Schwinn Black Phantom 7-speed reproduction
Available at http://www.memorylane-classics.com for $1700
Three sold on Ebay recently for $946, 999, & 1425. All by the same seller, 13Mark. %517 seems low but I do recall a sub-$100o dealer price on them as year or so ago.

Columbia modern reproduction of a Five Star Superb bicycle
I purchased one new in the box on Ebay 1.5 years ago for $500

reproduction of a Western Flyer bicycle
Rideable Replicas at http://www.hiwheel.com had up to a year ago for $350-400. They have since sold out.

Jim Divoky

   RE:Clip on Bicycle Motor posted by Andrew Pattle on 2/6/2001 at 12:39:22 PM
Your description souds like a Berini. Made in the Netherlands by Pluvier and, although they look nothing like each other, closely related to the Cyclemaster. Its a 32cc motor. It should clamp to the front forks of a bicycle. I can probably fine a diagram of how it fits if you need it. Send me an e-mail if you do - I'm don't visit here often!






MISC:   The Golden Age Of Moto-Bike Building posted by: JimW. on 1/2/2001 at 7:11:31 AM
In my youth, in Western KY in the '50s, a lad could acquire as many gasoline engines suitable for bike power as he wanted, for virtually no money. When my family moved there,
the area had just got electricity, through the Rural Electrification Administration, and a new hydro-electric dam in the area. Until then, people's washing machines were
powered by engines. In many cases, the old machine, with engine, was dumped into the closest gulley, when they could afford to buy a new electric unit. These were free for the finding. Others ended up in city dumps, usually free. Some ended up in junkyards. A lazy child with five bucks could buy one from a junk dealer.

At one time, I owned three of these engines. I had two of the commoner cast-iron-block Briggs and Stratton units. My favorite engine, though, was a horizontally-opposed two-cylinder from a Maytag. It was cast in aluminum alloy, and
was really beautiful. I used it on a home-made gokart, but it would have been beautiful on a bike.








AGE / VALUE:   Motorized Bike posted by: Tom Bartlett on 1/1/2001 at 8:59:11 AM
At the risk at sounding like a "commercial", if you are interested in seeing a motorized bike that really works, can still be pedaled, built in the the U.S. and backed by a factory warranty, check out the motorized bikes at www.zipcycle.com. We are a company of biking enthusiasts who wanted to create a true "dual-purpose" motorized bike. Our bikes can still be enjoyed as a bicycle (have you ever tried to pedal a moped?), have a great "classic retro" look, and parts are available nation-wide.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Motorized Bike posted by JimW. on 1/2/2001 at 7:07:13 AM
That looks like a nice, clean installation. Is 20mph the actual maximum speed, or is it governed to that level?
If you send one to Rif Addams, BikeRod&Kustom will run his
road test of it.






AGE / VALUE:   Jim Huntingtons Bike Show/ Monson, Mass posted by: Peter Naiman on 12/30/2000 at 5:09:55 PM
Jim Huntington is holding his show and swap in Monson, Mass on Rt. 32 at Memorial Hall on Main St. Set up time 7-8:00am
call Jim Huntington Days: 413-283-4113
Nights: 413-267-5230
If not in leave a message and Jim will call back/ Swap spaces $20.00 call early as this show will fill up fast. A Judged bike show will also be held with awards given.







MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Oops posted by: Clark Wilcox on 12/27/2000 at 1:08:19 PM
Oops, sorry about the multiple postings, I hit the send key and nothing happened so I hit it again. Clark







MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by: Clark Wilcox on 12/26/2000 at 3:50:48 PM
Does anyone have any info/brochures/instructions for a mid 60's Cox Bronco bike motor. I had one long ago and just got another that is missing several parts. Any help would be appreciated and I would gladly pay for copies of manuals etc. Thanks, Clark


   RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by Rif Addams on 12/28/2000 at 3:08:04 AM
I don't know anything about these, unfortunately. If you find out anything could you send info for my archives? I'll ask a couple of people I know if they have any info.
Is this the one that was on E-Bay not too long ago?
Thanks,
Rif

   RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by Clark Wilcox on 12/28/2000 at 5:03:53 PM
Thanks for the reply, as a matter of fact it was purchased from e-bay. I got my first motor in 1967 for selling subscriptions to the local newspaper, and used it for some time until the bike was stolen. I'm planning a trip to the Rose Bowl swap meet to look for parts and to look-up the patent number and try to find info or diagrams. Thanks, Clark

   RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by JimW. on 1/5/2001 at 8:04:17 AM
I don't know about the "Bronco" designation, but the Cox bike
motor is still, as far as I know, still in production. A friend
of mine bought one about five years ago, to mount on a Schwinn tandem.

My friend bought his at America's Hobby Center (AHC)here in
New York. Cox is a leading maker of model aircraft engines.
The bike engine is pretty much identical to their larger
model aircraft engines. Check a recent model plane magazine
for the company's address, or run a web search. I'm sure they
can send you a manual.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by Clark on 1/12/2001 at 10:47:15 PM
Thanks for the info, I called AHC and they claimed they didn't know anything about bicycle motors. They thought he might have gotten a large airplane engine and modified it. Next step is to call Cox and see what they say. Clark

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by JimW. on 2/1/2001 at 7:55:59 AM
My pal's motor was definitely bought from AHC, and it was
set up as a roller-drive bike motor, and labelled as such.
The quality of information at AHC (like most places) depends
upon who happens to answer the phone. Checking with Cox is
a good idea, as they can tell you who carries the motor now,
if AHC actually doesn't anymore.