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Archived: English Roadsters







AGE / VALUE:   Hercules posted by: Jim on 11/7/2000 at 8:13:39 AM
Back to Bob & Christopher Robin's posts re: Herc's, I have four Hercules' two ladies, two mens. Two have hubs dated 1962 and appear to be on par with Raleighs of the same period, brass head badges, good quality lugwork & paintwork. The other two appear to be more of a 'B' grade project, ie; flat plate brake arches, single stays on the rear fenders, front fender stays that mount on the axle. The later "cheaper" bikes are lighter, and actually have a nicer ride. I'd put the later ones at $50-$75 each and the earlier Raleigh Industries Herc's at $75 -$100. btw mine will all go on ebay later this month, if anyone's interested, please contact me, very negotiable.







AGE / VALUE:   Nice poster on E-bay posted by: ChristopherRobin on 11/6/2000 at 5:34:38 PM
This poster is far nicer than some ones I have found.The young lady is actually pretty! E-bay item #489259690 Origonal Eng bicycle poster 1950 Beautif girl. (these people have a web site and sell vintage posters!) I love old bicycle posters!







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bronze Green Paint posted by: Grant on 11/6/2000 at 3:10:13 PM
Lately I have seen several new cars and SUV's painted Bronze
Green. The color looks the same as Raleigh's. I have not had
a chance to compare directly so I do not know exactly how close
they are.

If you are out for a ride on your Raleigh how about cruising
some parking lots? Compare your actual paint job. Let us know
if you find one that is real close.

I have seen Chev and Pontiac cars and Ford and Chev SUV's.
Maybe bronze green will be this year's fashionable color.

What a lucky break for us if we could go to the store and
buy paint for our old Raleighs.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bronze Green Paint posted by Jon on 11/6/2000 at 3:38:37 PM
You can take your Raleigh to just about any auto paint store(or cooperative bump shop) and have it custom mixed. It's not cheap but a good "mixologist" can match color and density as well as match the size and quantity of the metal flecks(very important for a good match) in the paint. When I worked in a Raleigh shop many times I had to custom mix paint because of the variations from bike to bike even within the same model. Raleigh even provided the gold powder to adjust mixes.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bronze Green Paint posted by Jon on 11/6/2000 at 3:45:01 PM
Another tip. Inexperienced painters in the business would use a straight gold undercoat beneath the topcoat. I found that mixing the topcoat finish with the undercoat would produce a more even finish coat. This also goes for other metallic undercoats; silver, copper, etc. The goal was to produce an opaque, colored undercoat. The darker, the better.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bronze Green Paint posted by Jon on 11/6/2000 at 4:20:03 PM
For the seventy-five cent solution: Go to the local hobby store and buy transparent colors(red, blue, green)and gold paint in spray cans. Spray small quantities of each into small containers. Experiment with various mixes(using a brush) to get the right shade. Keep track of mixing proportions. I used to carefully mix spray colors into a hobby airbrush container(1 or 2 oz. bottle). It can be done if you hold the can at just the right angle. There was no thinning involved because the paint was already at spray consistency. This was good for touch-ups and I would ocassionally paint an entire top tube or fork this way and then follow up with a can of clear coat to blend.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bronze Green Paint posted by ChristopherRobin on 11/6/2000 at 5:26:41 PM
I have seen bikes at swap meet shows and I marvel at how nice they look and then I get up close and I notice that the the color is not close enough and I can tell that the bike was not painted at factory. I'll bet there are a few folks who have matched it perfectly but I don't know who. I have seen many cars and bikes and S.U.V.'s with this color and it makes me think of my Raleigh Sports. Does anybody have a Raleigh Sports or Supurbe with the blue/green paint scheme? I think you can probably match this color today, this one is probably not difficult for a cycle frame painter with some experience.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bronze Green Paint posted by Grant on 11/6/2000 at 6:21:24 PM
I know about custom mixes but wouldn't it be convenient to be able
to buy a stock color or a spray bomb off the shelf?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bronze Green Paint posted by Jon on 11/6/2000 at 7:15:04 PM
Yes, it certainly would, but as I mentioned, the bronze green color(and other colors) varied not only from year to year and model to model, it wasn't always consistent within any individual model. And the touch-up paint supplied by Raleigh was rarely consistent. Almost every job I did was a custom mix. And the way the paint was applied was a major consideration in providing a finish that was satisfactory to the customer.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bronze Green Paint posted by Jon on 11/6/2000 at 7:24:19 PM
With respect to C. Robin's comment, during the years I worked at the Raleigh dealer(1970-84), only the very top of the line bikes came out of the box without some factory blemishes or scratches received in transit. Painted fender braces were always a problem. A 100 point factory paint job on a Sports or a Superbe is very, very, rare!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bronze Green Paint posted by Tom "Mad Cow" Faust on 11/6/2000 at 9:23:30 PM
Don't kill yourself with the hobby shop stuff. My local paint dealer will match any color for $28.00 for the first quart. Buy a PreVal spray bottle at you local home supply store for about $4.00, and you're in business. Just bring them the chain guard, they need about one square inch of flat surface to read the color. Rounded sufaces distort the color. They can also match the color of your Brooks saddle with an appropriate lacquer.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bronze Green Paint posted by ChristopherRobin on 11/7/2000 at 6:50:06 AM
I agree with Jon who saw it first hand.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bronze Green Paint posted by ChristopherRobin on 11/24/2000 at 8:35:24 AM
I have an origonal bottle of touch up paint unopened and I wonder if it was mixed really well and a swatch was applied on a card than have the thing scanned and mixed up I wonder if it would come out looking exact.






WANTED:   Pump for Raleigh Twenty posted by: thetoyking on 11/5/2000 at 4:09:08 PM
I am looking for a pump that fits a Raleigh Twenty frame. About 12". Please help! Also In need of a rear wheel complete with working sturmey three speed (20 x 1.75) Thanks!







AGE / VALUE:   Chrome Raleigh D.L.1 on e-bay posted by: ChristopherRobin on 11/5/2000 at 10:38:32 AM
Chrone 28 inch wheel Raleigh D.L.1 Tourist on e-bay! Item #489412411 Old Vintage Raleigh Bicycle 28 all chrome.

I is cool to see some of these in chrome. It blows my mind to see one in all chrome. Great shape, enclosed chainguard, Beautiful!
Tires look to be 28 X 1 1/2 and not the other size, the balloon style like out other friend here just found and posted pictures of.
First one of these I've seen offered on e-bay!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chrome Raleigh D.L.1 on e-bay posted by Paul on 11/5/2000 at 3:16:40 PM
Where these originally in chrome or was the paint stripped off and it chromed? What do you think out there?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chrome Raleigh D.L.1 on e-bay posted by sam on 11/5/2000 at 5:12:49 PM
My vote is raliegh probly did chrome some bikes.this would be in keeping with other bike maker.In the 30's aluminum was the rage and several bike makers tried there hand at it,silver king/monark was the most successful.most turned to all chrome bikes instead of aluminum,as they were more durable.only a guess on my part,does any one have old books showing any?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chrome Raleigh D.L.1 on e-bay posted by Mike Q. on 11/6/2000 at 6:04:21 AM
I was told at a bike show that these chrome classic Raleigh knock-offs are currently being produced in Nigeria, and can be bought in England for around $250 US. However, this is what I was told, and I did not personally confirm it.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chrome Raleigh D.L.1 on e-bay posted by ChristopherRobin on 11/7/2000 at 7:45:38 AM
Few people are as proud and careful owners as a African Raleigh bicycle buyer. The people building these would curl their lip at you and say "Knock off? No son, we build them here and we take pride in our work!" The bike is beloved there it is not a toy but a dependable method of travel. When it comes to the Raleigh's that come out of Nigeria I don't think the word knock off's is appropriate. Raleigh shiped over tooling and built factories there to serve the large African market. The Raleigh Story written in 1975 by Gregory Houston Bowden mentions the African Raleigh 28 inch rod brake bicycle and shows a view of the now closed Kano plant and the author tells that a person who goes into to the bicycle shop sits down and studies it minutely looking for any flaw or any indication that this is not an origonal made Raleigh bicycle. Only when he is satisfied that the machine is origonal and not flawed does he make his purchase. Even then the new owner will keep the wrappings on the bike until they rot and fall off. A wife and a Raleigh bicycle are (or were) two things that are saved up for first. The African bikes are every bit as nice quality wise as what left Nottingham, England. The diffrences are that the African built machines do not have the Sturmey-Archer 3 speed gear rather a coaster brake. This is because the 3 speed is expensive and I guess they are happy with the coaster brake hub. My mechanic mentioned something to me like "They do not want it going awry out in the middle of nowhere where you can't get replacement parts without a lot of bother" I told him I didn't think the A.W. hub was unreliable but he said "Even still, and also they can't afford it." Locking forks,Dynohubs and lights are not seen either(to my knowledge) perhaps for cost reasons. A rear rack is a must and is standard equipment. Most of these had an enclosed chainguard too. The tires were not your basic 28 X 1 1/2 but a more balloonish size. They were offering motorized DL1's in 1986 and this was really exciting to people I spoke to over there but Derby bought them up and stoped this, why I do not know. It was devestating to them, they went from this exciting project to having this particular factory closed and people lost jobs. paint colors were Black, Carmine red and they offered double top tube models. The ladies 26inch city bike was in blue. I am sure that they did chrome too but this was an added expense. There was probably no shortage of customers(like me) who would ask to have it all plated and they would do this for you if you arranged it ahead of time. We need to take into account the extra time it must have took to plate the bike. Mudguards, the enclosed chaincase. Everything! The polishing alone, it is quicker to paint a frame and they had orders to get out too.
The only badge I have came off of a incomplete child's bike and it read "The Raleigh" Springs, South Africa
There were and are other plants. some of which are producing the same bikes, but they have been bought up by other companies and are not official Raleigh Co.anymore.

I mentioned that this is a world famous brand, a popular and well known, proven, design.
I have an old catalog and it stated that they(Raleigh Nottingham ) were not in a position to undertake a complete renovation at present but they would fit a new fork blade, or re-track it or do an enamel paint job or this or that. You could send in a wheel for attention and so they had staff to keep a customer happy. Raleigh Nottinghan was huge and detailed and everything was made in house. What is cool about this particular model is that most of them were black and I have not seen any catalogs mentioning that a optional finish was chrome or nickel plate. This makes it special.






FOR SALE:   1860's Chilion Wooden Bycyle posted by: jeff on 11/5/2000 at 9:07:01 AM
1860's Chilion wooden bicycle with wooden rims, leather seat, coaster brake, fully restored. Anybody know a good resource to sell a mint condition rare (@20 such bicycle worldwide) antique collector's piece? Offers/suggestions welcome.







AGE / VALUE:   Hercules posted by: Bob on 11/5/2000 at 4:18:31 AM
I have a matching pair of Hercules bikes. Not being a bicycle freak, I have no idea of their value. I can find very little information about Hercules other than they were bought out by Raleigh in 1960. These don't appear to be AMF models since that designation is not written anywhere. I have a ladies and mans bike, both with brooks saddles and Stumey Archer shifters and hubs. The chain guards say Hercules on them also. Serial #'s are NA6249358 and HE6023831 stamped in the post below the seat. Could anyone tell me the value, or point me in the right direction to find an age and value of these bikes. Thanks.







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by: Bob on 11/5/2000 at 4:18:31 AM
I have a matching pair of Hercules bikes. Not being a bicycle freak, I have no idea of their value. I can find very little information about Hercules other than they were bought out by Raleigh in 1960. These don't appear to be AMF models since that designation is not written anywhere. I have a ladies and mans bike, both with brooks saddles and Stumey Archer shifters and hubs. The chain guards say Hercules on them also. Serial #'s are NA6249358 and HE6023831 stamped in the post below the seat. Could anyone tell me the value, or point me in the right direction to find an age and value of these bikes. Thanks.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 11/5/2000 at 9:43:32 AM
The Hercules Cycle and Motor Company from Birmingham, England. They were bought out by Raleigh and so the Hercules became a B-grade Raleigh with the Hercules name. The badge on the front changed from brass to silver (aluminum) and the Hercules B-TYPE 3 and B TYPE four (both 3 speeds) rear hub with it's threaded driver and the cool Hercules(Brampton,G.Joannou, style trigger shifter gave way to the basic Sturmey-Archer A.W. three speed and the standard 3 speed Sturmey-Archer trigger shifter. Both hubs have interchangeable parts, because both are the same A.W. 3 speed. The frame of the bike had diffrent dropouts, the lugs or where the tubes come together have a diffrent detail and also the fenders (or mudguards), rear hubs, front hubs,handlebar stem, handlebars, grips, reflectors, Pedals too were diffrent on the origonal (Hercules had really nice full ball bearing pedals with Hercules in script on the blocks.) the color of the paint was diffrent with maroon and dark blue finish on Spra-bonderized rust proofed surface. These are origonal Hercules parts and this changed when Raleigh bought up Hercules.The Raleigh Hercules was a good solid, nice bike but the older "real thing" had more character. I hate to see that the brand was downgraded,but then again I love seeing all the diffrent brand names like Hercules, Rudge, Humber,Triumph, B.S.A., Robin Hood, Sunbeam, Phillips, Norman, e.t.c. live on even as a b grade Raleigh. These pop up on E-bay and sometimes we are ocaisonally surprised that something goes as high as it does. You have a city bike from the 60's and these go like for $50.00 a pair and a bit up from there.Also these have been thrown out in the trash for the last 20 plus years and many of us here like to rescue them and overhaul em and ride, collect, and admire them. If one of these is your way of getting around town to work and back then you value it more then say $50.00 or $75.00. Many people have kept one since buying it new and they hold onto it still because they like it and are comfortable with it. Post it on e-bay, find somebody who wants one and appreciates it or donate it to charity where hopefully somebody will use it.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by Christopherrobin on 11/5/2000 at 9:46:49 AM
Oops, meant to say $50.00 per bike and up taking into account condition.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by ChristopherRobin on 11/5/2000 at 10:07:22 AM
Hercules seats had Hercules nameplates on them but these were not leather seats but mattress style and I suspect these were made by Lycette which was part of Brooks and Brooks made mattress seats themselves before buying up Lycette.

Anybody ever see a leather seat with Hercules stamped in the leather? Phillips bikes had Phillips leather seats. Wonderfull seats these were, I dunno if these were made by Brooks or not, Phillips was a huge company, but Brooks made for almost everyone then.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by sam on 11/5/2000 at 11:15:04 AM
Christopher,the leather seat I redid was stamped Dunelt,it was a large leather seat.I recall seeing large hercules bikes in 1985 being sold in mexico,I think they had hercules seats.And when I say large they were the 28'rod brake double top bar single speed Hercules model,with the large leather seat---sam

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 11/6/2000 at 7:06:31 AM
Thanks.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Need advice posted by: Tom on 11/4/2000 at 2:03:47 PM
Today someone offered me a very nice older('50's-'60'S) dark green DL1 with Brooks saddle w/tool bag, dyno hub with working lights, speedo, rod brakes, nice bright work, gear case, what is such a bike worth? What would be a fair offer? Thanks!


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:  posted by Tom on 11/4/2000 at 7:11:08 PM
I should mention that this bike has 28" wheels and a locking front fork.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Need advice posted by Warren on 11/4/2000 at 8:00:16 PM
I think you may have something special there...it may be a Superbe in the "Roadster" edition. Sheldon Brown has a '54 Superbe on his website and it's nice. If it is a rod-brake Superbe with all the goodies it's definitely worth a few hundred bucks...maybe more to people like us. Personally if I could have only one bike, that one may be it. Check out www.sheldonbrown.com/superbe54.html.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Need advice posted by Tom on 11/4/2000 at 9:50:01 PM
YES!! That is the bike! This one is a '62, and has a B-73 saddle...but is the same bike. Thanks.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Need advice posted by Sheldon Brown on 11/5/2000 at 9:41:04 AM
I sold that '54 for US $375.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Need advice posted by ChristopherRobin on 11/5/2000 at 9:55:53 AM
These are really nice machines, I hope you have the key to yours. My '57 has a leather mudflap in front and as soon as I get my tail to Tandy leather Im a gonna be making me some mudflaps! I paid $675.00 for mine but the guy saw me faint when I saw it, he knew how I love these and nobody else was nibbling it. He knew he had me hooked anywas but this is pristine too! 375.00 is about right, I overpaid like a ninny.






AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh 20 folding bike pump posted by: ChristopherRobin on 11/4/2000 at 8:41:38 AM
E- bay Item # 488652372 Raleigh 20 folding bike pump


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh 20 folding bike pump posted by Paul on 11/4/2000 at 9:31:33 AM
This is my pump. It is not a Raleigh brand, but rather a nice plain black 12 1/2 pump that looks very close to the original.It is non-functional... but looks great on the Raleigh Folder Twenty. Thanks.






AGE / VALUE:   take a look, never seen this color on this model bike posted by: Christopherrobin@starmail.com on 11/4/2000 at 8:34:34 AM
Check out E-bay item #100284842 Raleigh R.S.W.16 Compact 1965/66 I have never seen this color on a R.S.W.16 before. They were painted in Bronze Green and a Flemenco candy red and now this Coffee brown? This is Raleigh's origonal paint too. A factory job on a folding R.S.W. 16







AGE / VALUE:   26 X 1.50 wheels on a Raleigh Sports posted by: ChristopherRobin on 11/4/2000 at 8:27:38 AM
26 X 1.50 new wheelsets on my Raleigh Sports. Will it work? will I like it? will the tires rub the fenders? Anybody done this? I'll let you know how it turns out.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   26 X 1.50 wheels on a Raleigh Sports posted by Finn on 11/4/2000 at 1:30:45 PM
The Dunlops with the double stripes which came standard on some Sports are bigger than other 26 x 1 3/8. I don't know why, but they are. So.. I'd bet the 1.50s will fit just fine. And look good, too. Let us all know.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   26 X 1.50 wheels on a Raleigh Sports posted by Clyde on 11/4/2000 at 4:33:48 PM
Christopher, The 26x1.50 rims/tires will work. I'm running some on my girl's frame Sports with baby seat as an around-town pothole bike. The rim diameter is not as big as the 26x1-3/8 so you may need long reach brake calipers (I've got a 3-speed coaster on rear so that was not a factor back there). I built up some Araya 26x1.5 VP-20 rims with Schwinn Mid-towner 26x1.62 semi-slick 45-80# tires and the have between 1/8 and 3/16-inch clearance in the fork and rear stays. Wider tires would probably rub. Since the diameter is smaller, the tires are not "up in the fenders" so clearance there was not a problem. The alloy wheels and higher pressure "decimal" tires seem to give a "faster" ride than the stock Raleigh rim/tire combo. Hey, I thought I'd found a wide "fractional" tire in a 26 inch size, but the 26x1-3/4 Kenda was a ISO 47-571 (std 26x1-3/8 are 37-590). Anyone need one of these weird sized tires? And if you need any replacement tires, check out your K-mart close out aisle (do they still have blue light
specials?). A co-worker alerted me to a pile of tires marked down to $1.00. They must unload their summer stuff, like slow selling sizes (the ones I picked up were mislabled 26x1.38 "Fits all brands of bikes", when they're actually 26x1-3/8 sized). Happy shopping!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   26 X 1.50 wheels on a Raleigh Sports posted by ChristopherRobin on 11/5/2000 at 10:18:02 AM
The silly, bad and crazy thing is that I pulled out the quick release axle out of the new, modern alloy hubs and put in a long Sturmey-Archer axle and cones so I can bolt it on the frame. Personally, I don't like the quick release part of the new hubs. Nothing wrong with them, nobody has any problems with them, they are more convienent for tire changing and locking up a bike so where nobody can steal your wheels too. I like everything bolted on in the wheel department. My mechanic friend saw it and exclaimed "What have you done??" These are 26 X 1 3/8 Kenda's with reflective stripe sidewalls 70 p.s.i.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   26 X 1.50 wheels on a Raleigh Sports posted by ChristopherRobin on 11/7/2000 at 7:51:47 AM
26 X 1.38 does not interchange with 26 X 1 3/8. You cannot go from fractions to decimals as Sheldon has told us.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1953 Raleigh Sports Pump color? posted by: Paul on 11/3/2000 at 9:03:13 PM
Does anyone know the correct original pump color for the frame pump on a 1953 Raleigh Sports 3 speed...the bike is dark green..was the pump dark green, black, or alumimum color?...lets here your vote (guess).....


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1953 Raleigh Sports Pump color? posted by ChristopherRobin on 11/4/2000 at 9:27:27 AM
Aluminum color was the only kind. But then again, perhaps....

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1953 Raleigh Sports Pump color? posted by Sheldon Brown on 11/4/2000 at 9:44:36 AM
My '54 had a matching green plastic pump, apparently made by raleigh. Good luck!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1953 Raleigh Sports Pump color? posted by Paul on 11/4/2000 at 12:55:02 PM
And it looks like Sheldon's famous Superbe had a black pump...so I guess my answer is all three!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1953 Raleigh Sports Pump color? posted by Paul on 11/4/2000 at 12:58:34 PM
Opps..sorry Shelton, I didn't look at your name before posting my reply...it looked black in the photo instead of green. Sorry.






WANTED:   Steel Rim posted by: Art on 11/3/2000 at 8:23:01 AM
I'm looking for a steel rim that is stamped:Dunlop 27 x 1 1/4
Made in England. I just need the rim, and I just need one. 36 hole.







MISC:   Sturmey Archer demise posted by: Clyde on 11/2/2000 at 9:11:09 PM
Check out www.bikebiz.co.uk for reports on the S-A/Brooks demise.


   RE:MISC:   Sturmey Archer demise posted by Mike Q. on 11/3/2000 at 11:24:32 AM
Ah, yes... It appears that British CEO's have learned from their American counterparts. Run your company into the ground, fuck over your employees, and walk away with a hefty severence package.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Sturmey Archer demise posted by Finn on 11/4/2000 at 1:32:12 PM
Couldn;r you have just said '"screw" over your employees'?

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Sturmey Archer demise posted by chuckie cheese on 11/5/2000 at 7:39:51 AM
You say ta-may-toes, I say ta-mah-toes.

   RE:MISC:   Sturmey Archer demise posted by Mark R. on 11/6/2000 at 5:56:16 PM
I like the sound of F*** myself. This is one occation where I vote we let it (the word) stay.
I'm in the middle of being F***ed by a company myself right now.
I think the whole deal with Raleigh, and Sturmey Archer, et al...sucks.
No one has any clue any more you know?