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Archived: English Roadsters







AGE / VALUE:   tourist on ebay posted by: sam on 4/24/2000 at 11:05:24 AM
heads up class-ebay #313344401







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Ladies Raleigh Tourist FS posted by: Tim on 4/24/2000 at 4:33:55 AM
Raleigh Tourist 1972 Ladies FS. Original Owner. With pump, bag, tool and original O/manual. $250.00
Thanks







AGE / VALUE:   My HUMBER need a help posted by: bambang on 4/23/2000 at 6:12:55 AM
I wanna ask to the forum about my grandpa gentleman bikes HUMBER(somebody tell me they are a tourist/roadster model). Let me tell you about the data:
First bike:
- Frame number : FA 44819(probably FA Special model)
- Rear and front velg : DUNLOP 28 X 1.5
- Year estimated(from rear hub):1953 or 1955(not>clear)
- Have locking fork (sorry if the name is wrong)
- Generator: BOSCH RL/WQ9 6 Volt - 3 Watt
- Lamp :MELLAS
- Speedy switch : Sturmey Archer 3 or 4 speed
- Additional data : On HUMBER logo writen "BY
APPOINTMENT TO THE LATE KING GEORGE VI"
Second bike:
- Frame number : W 85607
- Rear and front velg : DUNLOP 28 X 1.5
- Year estimated(from rear hub):1954
- Generator: BOSCH RL/WR 1/7 fur 6 Volt - 3 Watt
- Lamp :BOSCH Rolodyn
- Have "STANDARD" writen on its body
- Speedy switch : BRAMPTON 3 speed
- Additional data : On HUMBER logo writen "BY
APPOINTMENT TO H.M THE KING"
I hope those data will give enough to track what are
the model of my bike, when it produced,how many it
produced. Please help me about this cause I have already contact "the expert" but their answer its too short/not complete.
Do you know a site or another person that know deep enough abot HUMBER bicycle?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   My HUMBER need a help posted by ChristopherRobin on 4/24/2000 at 11:57:37 AM
Oh My! You have two of these? A matching pair? Is one a ladies frame? Wow!!!!






AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh 3 speed posted by: Rob Dowler on 4/22/2000 at 8:14:54 PM
I've got 2 Raleigh 3 speed bikes from the 1970's - both have Sturmey Archer gears - Reynolds tubing, lights, etc. Anyone got any idea what they might be worth?







AGE / VALUE:   20" Rod Brake bike on eBay posted by: Gordon on 4/21/2000 at 12:30:12 PM
Anyone else seen this bike on eBay? Item #313937732. The rear rod activates some kind of hub brake, not rim pads. And bunnies in the chainring? Too bad so much of it is missing.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   20 posted by Mark R. on 4/21/2000 at 1:22:34 PM
This looks to me like someone "Gerry" rigged a bike for a young child, or possibly even a dwarf. Those tubes are definately bent, that rear mudguard is for a much larger wheel. I think someone may have re-laced the original hubs. Iy also says something to the effect "special cycle" or whatever on the head tube. Possibly someone way back when did that for special needs people?






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mint Record Ace on Ebay posted by: Mike Q. on 4/21/2000 at 9:01:52 AM
Well, it finally went for $1255. I swallowed hard and bid $905, and was kind of relieved when someone outbid me! Great bike, but is it worth what it went for? Opinions?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mint Record Ace on Ebay posted by Keith on 4/24/2000 at 6:48:26 AM
I've had fun going to garage sales and the like too -- maybe I just need to take a break from it. Still, I think I'd trade in the storage shed full of nice but fairly common bikes for the Record Ace or Claud Butler.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mint Record Ace on Ebay posted by Keith on 4/24/2000 at 6:49:45 AM
I've had fun going to garage sales and the like too -- maybe I just need to take a break from it. Still, I think I'd trade in the storage shed full of nice but fairly common bikes for the Record Ace or Claud Butler.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mint Record Ace on Ebay posted by Keith on 4/21/2000 at 9:56:13 AM
I applaud your taste in bicycles and your commitment as evidenced by your bid. I'm glad to see something like this go on a wide-audience auction Ebay, and not just a closed auction of specialized collectors. I think it's worth every penny it fetched -- especially when you consider that certain, faddish American-made bikes of much lesser quality go for as much or more. This and the Claud Butler track bike(same seller) represent the kind of collecting I hope to develop -- I'm not there yet, but intend to go that direction (and stop filling all my space with nice but fairly common bicycles).

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mint Record Ace on Ebay posted by ART on 4/21/2000 at 12:32:01 PM
I'm suprised that a bike of that quality, age, and that complete went as cheaply as it did. If you compare that bike with the prices being asked for Cinelli's or Rene Herse bikes then whoever got that bike got a good deal, especially if you consider the accessories. But that bike and many of your comments about it several days ago has had me thinking a lot about collecting. That bike has been one of the bikes that I've been wanting to own for a long time. But seeing it on Ebay and realizing that obtaining it was just about having more money than the next guy soured me on it. I don't know how that bike would fit me and today, I don't buy bikes if I can't ride them. Somebody mentioned not buying junkers and saving up for a bike like that. I think putting money into quality is always better than not, but having been in both positions, I can't say that the thrill of buying an expensive bike, for me, is greater than finding something cool in the trash. I quess what I'm saying is that I love the search as much as anything. I love finding stuff and good bargains and trading with someone even if I'm not coming out on top financially. I'm glad I got to see this bike and I'm glad for the guy who bought it. However, for me, there's nothing more wonderful than finding something, literally getting my hands on it, and dragging it home.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mint Record Ace on Ebay posted by Warren on 4/21/2000 at 6:22:46 PM
Another fun thing is to find a cheap bike worth investing in and THEN spend inordinate amounts of cash doing a serious restoration. The centre of my collection is a late '30 s CCM club bike. Garage sale price...5 bucks. Its got a flip flop hub, fenders, bolt on chainring and all the original parts except the rims which were rusted thru. 6 hundred dollars later it has a professional paint job, reproduction decals, new chrome and just today I gave it new white tires that make it complete...well sort of. Those Dunlop 27" rims from the Record Ace are exactly what it needs...anyone have a pair? Anyway the point is that I've brought a classic bike back from the brink of the dump and given it a life. I do dare to ride it occasionally but it is fixed and without any brakes...this makes for a not too far, not too fast ride. I do treasure it.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mint Record Ace on Ebay posted by Wings on 4/21/2000 at 10:14:12 PM
Warren and Art: I agree! I love the thrill of the hunt! Treasures pop up when one is not even looking! As a woodworker who always would love to look at the finished work. I still do the same with a bike! It is a thrill to bring it back to life! It is even better to then enjoy it or have another person enjoy it as their own!
I have a mountain bike I built from scratch--there is nothing quite like it anywhere! It was pure fun! It also cost more to do it myself than to purchase something similar in a store. I prefer tinkering and doing it myself--I really appreciate the finished product. But this is also different strokes for different folks!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mint Record Ace on Ebay posted by ChristopherRobin on 4/24/2000 at 11:24:39 AM
I was pleasently surprised seeing this, owning two of these in 24 inch frame sizes myself. This had metal fenders mine has black plastic Blumels. This was about as nice as they come.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mint Record Ace on Ebay posted by ChristopherRobin on 4/25/2000 at 10:06:11 AM
Raleigh also chromed the entire frame and then applied laquer over the chrome in Polychromatic lilac and flamenco red tones. Some of these are really more breathtaking to see than others. This one was a show winner and may be again. The bag and the metal feeder bottles were a nice plus. It did not get better than this, this bike is in a class all by itself.

    lates '30s CCM road racer posted by Kenneth on 4/28/2000 at 6:27:48 PM
I too have a late 1930s CCM road racer. The term Club Racer was applied to road bikes of the early 1950s. this one is 100% complete and original including all red Dunlop 28 X 1 1/4" Speedster tires, John Bull cushion grips, Brooks Kaydex saddle, Phillips centre pull brakes (rear only, Enrick rims and Diamone CCM head badge. The condition is rated at 7.5 to 8. There was zero rust on it. This bike was picked up after being thrown out to the curb on garbage day. A museum would be glad to get this one! I traded two NOS frames (club racer) for it.

    lates '30s CCM road racer posted by Kenneth on 4/28/2000 at 6:28:08 PM
I too have a late 1930s CCM road racer. The term Club Racer was applied to road bikes of the early 1950s. this one is 100% complete and original including all red Dunlop 28 X 1 1/4" Speedster tires, John Bull cushion grips, Brooks Kaydex saddle, Phillips centre pull brakes (rear only, Enrick rims and Diamond CCM head badge. The condition is rated at 7.5 to 8. There was zero rust on it. This bike was picked up after being thrown out to the curb on garbage day. A museum would be glad to get this one! I traded two NOS frames (club racer) for it.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   took a walk posted by: Leon Fundenberger on 4/21/2000 at 7:13:57 AM
Had a beautiful Sunday afternoon two weeks ago in Kansas. I took a walk around the block. A bicycle was peering at me from behind the trash cans on the sidewalk. A quick glance said, "Here is something interesting." I now own a 1969 Robin Hood Ladies 26" 3 speed with a Brooks vinyl mattress saddle.
Not bad for free. After washing off years of dust the turquois paint looks pretty good, too.
May you all enjoy your walks

Leon


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   took a walk posted by Leon on 4/22/2000 at 6:46:34 PM
I live In Topeka. On a brick street. I was born in Newton, and grew up in Sedgwick and rode a home-built tandem on Wichita's bike trails when they were first built by the river. I always marched with the High School band on fair days in Hutch.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   took a walk posted by Wings on 4/21/2000 at 10:17:19 PM
What town in Kansas?
I attended school near Hutchison. Loved the Brick roads! Just curious.






AGE / VALUE:   Brooks B72 posted by: Wings on 4/20/2000 at 10:01:54 PM
Are Brooks B72 saddles rare? I saw my first one today and it may still be there tomorrow. Value in comfort and $?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brooks B72 posted by Kevin C. on 4/21/2000 at 4:43:33 AM
The B-72 is still made, but to me, the springs don't do much. The B-66 is much more comfortable; that's the saddle that I've seen more than any other on Sports and Tourists.






AGE / VALUE:   3 Speed Sport posted by: Wings on 4/20/2000 at 9:49:18 PM
I found a "3 speed Sport" by Raleigh today. Mens bike and it is like new! Shimmano 3 speed. Regular Raleigh wheels. Raleigh seat. 26x1 3/8 Raleigh tires with the new rubber spikes still on the tread. Serial number: 6FH0420 Not listed in the Raleigh serial numbers. Hand brakes (not rod). It has a reflector similar to Schwinn from the 70's on the rear fender. It does not have the Raleigh design Chain wheel. Is this a 90's bike???? Could you help with dating this. It looks like it is new. I am the Schwinn guy and now I see these Raleighs but I don't know them like I do Schwinns. If it is very new is the gemetry the same as the old Raleigh Sports?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   3 Speed Sport posted by phil on 4/21/2000 at 5:44:27 AM
Yes, I do beleive the geometry is the same on the "newer" sports models. In my view the Raleigh quality took a nosedive in the early 70's. I do not know when they went to the shimmano hub, but a Raleigh without a Sturmey Archer is like (I'm searching)... maybe Sonny without Cher? or cookies without milk? or Simon without Garfunkle?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   3 Speed Sport posted by ChristopherRobin on 4/21/2000 at 8:50:23 AM
Someone switched this wheel because a Sturmey-Archer was there in the first place. They did not use a Shimano hub on these bikes. Sturmey-Archer was part of Raleigh.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   3 Speed Sport posted by Wings on 4/21/2000 at 9:31:18 AM
Thanks Phil and Christopher for your comments! Yes, I wondered about the Shimano 3 speed -- good analogies -- it is not Kosher! But did Raleigh ever use Shimano hubs in their production models? It is a great looking Raleigh and I only see womens bikes out there.
The different Chain ring and Shimano hub made me wonder about the bike. When did Raleigh go to Taiwan frames and is it marked Taiwan? The tires are awesome! Oh well.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   3 Speed Sport posted by Wings on 4/21/2000 at 10:23:13 PM
In very tiny gold print just above the bottom bracket it says: "Made in Taiwan." Upon examining those great looking wheels, with my glasses off, it says: "Taiwan."
What do I do with this bike?
I went out today and bought a Schwinn -- I was so frustrated over my prize Raleigh. It is a 10! But it is a Taiwan 10!
Was Taiwan part of the British Empire?






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RALEIGH SUPERBE posted by: Ron on 4/20/2000 at 5:14:34 PM
Where does the Superbe fit into the Raleigh line? I have a pair of them in the shop for repair and they are the first ones I have ever seen. A men's and a women's, they were built in 1972. Both are 3 speed, with 26x1 3/8 tires, dynamo front hubs, fork locks, rear racks and fenders (painted green to match the bikes), frame pumps, Brooks B-66 saddle (men's only, the women's has already been replaced), and lights front and rear. Just curious as to what they might be worth because the owner does not seem inclined to part with them (he bought them new in'72).


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RALEIGH SUPERBE posted by Warren on 4/20/2000 at 9:19:18 PM
They have been the top of the line in "three" speed bikes for Raleigh for a long time. You had to move up to club bikes in order to find better/comparable quality. In days of old they even made them with 28 inch wheels...look at Sheldon Browns website for a beautiful roadster example from "54.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RALEIGH SUPERBE posted by Paul R. on 4/21/2000 at 4:02:15 AM
An interesting note on the long running Superbe model is that they sold for $80 in 1950 and went for a nickle less in 1972! I don't know how Raleigh was able to hold the price like this for so maney years. The quality was compromised only slightly in my opinion (cheaper pedals, thinner chrome, less elaborate striping, elimination of Dynoluxe lighting) and it even gained a nice rack in the process.






MISC:   Chrome Paramount on Ebay posted by: Keith on 4/20/2000 at 8:51:33 AM
There's a nice looking chrome 1970s Schwinn Paramount on Ebay -- not mine. No offense to muscle bike folks, but it annoys me to think that this handcrafted, silver-brazed, historically significant bike will probably go for less than the average krate. (I'd preach this to the lightweight people but it seems no one is ever home over there.)


   RE:MISC:   Chrome Paramount on Ebay posted by Keith on 4/24/2000 at 6:45:23 AM
It went for $750 -- respectable but I'd peg it at $1000 to $1,200. There's one on the Yahoo auction and the guy's asking $1,800 -- it has a racing history -- the guy was Junior National Champ in the 70s. That's the kind of history behind Paramount. I wish I had lotsa extra cash -- I'd have gone for the one on Ebay! One of my two 'Rays is a Fastback -- fun to ride. And honestly I have nothing against Ktates or other musclebikes (I'd like to get one of the VVVintage ones for my son). But a chrome Paramount. No comparison.

   RE:MISC:   Chrome Paramount on Ebay posted by zippy on 4/21/2000 at 5:42:20 AM
cause it looks like a varsity...

   RE:MISC:   Chrome Paramount on Ebay posted by Keith on 4/21/2000 at 7:57:18 AM
Those hand-filed Nervex lugs sure don't look like a Varsity to me, and it doesn't ride anything like a Varsity either. Plus even a Varsity rides better than a Krate. Really the Krate's much more like a Varsity than a Paramount -- zapped together in a few seconds with cheap, heavy steel, same paint, same basic parts, same quality (pretty good but not world class like the Paramount). Now the Paramount was built by hand using the best materials available. Tell ya what, I'll race anyone on a Krate, me on a Paramount. I'll give $1000 to any Krate rider who can beat me two laps around a running track. Shoot I could probably do it pedaling with one leg. See I got a couple of Stingrays myself -- I like 'em -- fun to look at, and go around the block once or twice, then put 'em away. Strange how rays are made to LOOK fast, inspired by funny cars, dragsters and the like, but they're about the slowest bikes around -- you might as well weld the cranks into place and push 'em with your feet. But people collect kid's stuff and love it -- that's okay -- a neighbor on mine collects Rock'em Sock'em Robots -- I'm not kidding! Spends hundreds of dollars on them.

   RE:MISC:   Chrome Paramount on Ebay posted by Mark R. on 4/21/2000 at 1:31:01 PM
WOW!!! What a bike! Thats a HAND made profesional roadracing bike. ALL Campy. It'll go for two grand. Worth every penny.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Chrome Paramount on Ebay posted by Kevin C. on 4/21/2000 at 2:47:37 PM
Krates were slow, with their big fat sliks and heavy drum brakes, etc. but the Fastback Sting-Ray was another story. It had narrow, high-pressure tires and five speeds ... and it could wail.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A ride to repeat on my DL=1 posted by: Fred on 4/19/2000 at 2:58:01 AM
Our bike group has gotten a lot smaller now that snowbirds are migrating North. This allowed the remaining few of us to try out the Withlacoochee rail trail which lies Southwest of Ocala FL and runs for 46 delightful miles through a varied natural environment. The trail is paved and at 12 ft in width is great for riding alongside. Since it is on an old railroad bed, the grades are smoothed out to a franction of a degree. Most of the Southern part of the trail is through forest and features cypress swamps and some dunes for variety. No, I wasn't riding my DL-1, it's way up North. My ride for the day was my newest project bike, my Fuji DS custom built 21 speed which eats up mileage. I couldn't help thinking though that this trail fairly crys for an English Roadster, especially the big'ns like the DL-1. I will definitely bring it down next fall not only for the ride but to let folks who don't know what an English roadster looks like, see the real thing.







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Racer and Roadster posted by: Kimo on 4/18/2000 at 6:40:51 PM
After riding my new Bianchi road bike as my commuter for 2 weeks I thought I had it was going to be difficult to return to the old heavy roadster. The Road bike is responsive and it accelerates so fast that my entire perspective and role on the road changed. I was not only easily keeping up with the cars, but passing them and doing it smoothly. I rode it a bit less though, I was much more worried about leaving it outside. How many locks would keep it together? Mr. P the mechanic managed to stretch the refitting of my Dl-1 into almost a couple of weeks and I thought that the old bike would eventually end up in the basement. Ironic, when I finally have gathered all the pieces, chain cover, skirt guard, rack for the back, dyno hub and lights, cool European tires, it would be retired. It's no news to this group but as soon as I got up on the Dl-1, a huge grin came over me. What height! What a unique perspective. The sense of riding is totally different. It is truly a high riding, Gentlemanly, elegant feeling. The Bianchi may be quicker but the old raleigh makes feel the bicycle's natural efficiency in an easy elegant way. Then I put on a Brooks 90/3 seat and the feeling of the bike is so comfortable. I haven't been able to get enough of it. Last Saturday night, I kept riding it from mid town all over Harlem and downtown and back to Brooklyn. The thunder storm kept threatening, but the ride was totally intoxicating. Three days later I'm doing the 6 mile to work commute, it's pouring rain, but I'm dry inside my gear and styling to work. (It may be a sacrilege, but I've installed a coaster brake on the 3 speed hub, too many close calls before) So I took the Bianchi out again today. Driving wind, heavy traffic, sure I got home 15 minutes faster. Probably did better aerobically too, but I was right in the middle of that rush hour. On the Dl-1 I'm in the middle of it too, but that upright posture, somehow allows you to float right through it. (Thanks to this site, which has turned a life time cyclist back to the pleasure of riding) Enuff already...
KIMO


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Racer and Roadster posted by chuck on 4/18/2000 at 10:33:46 PM
And that upright posture allows you to be seen better too! RIDE WITH PRIDE!
chuck

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Racer and Roadster posted by Wings on 4/19/2000 at 12:48:20 AM
Really cool! I have been there! Thanks for sharing that!
I think that upright and slower style is perhaps the way we should pedal through life!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Racer and Roadster posted by Keith on 4/19/2000 at 6:51:33 AM
I too drift back and forth between roadsters and lightweights, and thorouughly enjoy the unique qualities of both. Last weekend I put in some miles out on country roads on my faithful friend, my Mercian road bike. The old lugged, brazed 531 frame has just the right feel, a feel completely missing from the carbon framed Trek I sold last year. The weather was perfect, I saw a lot of old friends, and had great fun. My rider DL-1 has needed a flat fixed for a couple of weeks now. I miss riding it.

   Riding Lesson! posted by Keith on 4/19/2000 at 9:50:52 AM
One more thought -- riding on the English Roadsters has taught me a lesson that carries over to the lightweights -- I can slow down and enjoy myself. On my weekend rides, I rode with a friend I've known since I was 12 or 13 -- I NEVER REALLY RODE WITH HIM BEFORE, except for maybe 5-10 minutes at the beginning of a ride. I'd always take off and join the "go-fast" group. This time, however, I resisted that and was rewarded with the wonderful company of my friend as we enjoyed the scenary and talked about the good old days.

   RE:Riding Lesson! posted by Kevin C. on 4/20/2000 at 9:31:05 PM
Glad you mentioned the Brooks 90/3, too. Nothing could be finer.






FOR SALE:   on ebay posted by: phil on 4/18/2000 at 6:04:16 PM
Who was looking for white 28" tires? Check this item out on ebay, "305686347. A white roadster tire mounted on a cool looking wheel that I don't recognize with a Sturmey Archer 3 speed/drum brake. $50 Canadian.


   RE:FOR SALE:   on ebay posted by ChristopherRobin on 4/19/2000 at 9:33:26 AM
Well I was and I really am grateful for the post!! I want to buy these and fit them to my bike! http://www.ChristopherRobin@starmail.com

   RE:FOR SALE:   on ebay posted by ChristopherRobin on 4/19/2000 at 9:37:22 AM
I know what happens when you see what he is keeping! You get lightheaded and you fall over and then you wake up smelling ammonia. But he sells you something and you drive home broke and happy.






AGE / VALUE:   skip-tooth cog that fits a Sturmey threaded driver posted by: ChristopherRobin on 4/18/2000 at 9:40:05 AM
I sat in this ancient, decrepid bike shop with this box of small skip- tooth cogs and tried threading them onto a threaded driver. Why, I do not know. After awhile I found one that fits and so I have it on a 3 speed wheel.There are all these cogs, but not one scrap of chain in the place.