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Archived: English Roadsters







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   thanks for help posted by: kimo on 7/16/2000 at 9:15:30 AM
Hello roadster enthusiasts. A while back I posted a plea for help. My right crank arm broke. I received a number of responses and also received a replacement crank arm. My wife tossed the box, I have no return address for the gent kind enough to send the crank arm. Please e-mail me with your address and I¹ll send you some $. Any way, thanks to all of you for helping and especially thanks to the fellow who sent me the replacement. My Dl-1 is back on the road again. This bike turned me into an unabashed velo enthusiast. Right now I¹m into it all, I¹m logging 125 miles a week, planning to building a bike from scratch, modifying a Raleigh 20 ala Sheldon, modifying a Moulton, following the Tour, etc, but it all sprang up from not purchasing another mountain bike/commuter, when the last one got stolen. Remembering the 3 speed Sports I had in college, I thought I¹ll get a simple 3 speed. None were available in any of the shops "why would you want one of them? They are out of date technology" I went on-line and discovered this site. Armed with all of your enthusiasm, I found a Hercules, frame was too small, then found a rusty funky Dl-1. A dynohub /lighting system, full chain case, 3 speed coaster brake, brooks 90/3 seat and the bike is unbeatable for pleasurable riding. It¹s not fast, but it¹s not slow, cars react very differently to it vs. the Raleigh 20 or my Bianchi. It just feels great. And this site and the archives got me on it. Way cool. Thanks.
Kimo


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   thanks for help posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/16/2000 at 10:18:16 AM
Grrr! I'll bet this is one of those shops that don't carry replacement 26 X1 3/8 tires and lie to you saying you that you can't find them when you come in with the bike. Glad things worked out and enjoy the summer.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   thanks for help posted by Mark R. on 7/16/2000 at 3:05:03 PM
'twas I who gave you the crank, and it is with my compliments! Any time I can help keep a DL-1 on the road by a minor sacrifice, then well, I'm happy to do it! Just ride that sucker! Help another fellow out yourself sometime. That'd make me real happy. Cheers mate, Marko

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   thanks for help posted by Mark R. on 7/16/2000 at 3:10:36 PM
I forgot to say that I hope one day that, by simple acts of decency that humanity will finally get it's crap together. It's one of the reasons I like this site too, the folks here seem to understand something that almost everyone else has forgotten, and I don't have to say what it is do I?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   thanks for help posted by Oscar on 7/17/2000 at 1:05:12 PM
All it takes is one guy to get the ball rolling, Marko. Hats off to you.






AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth Age, Value, etc. posted by: Bill Jolliff on 7/15/2000 at 1:05:37 PM
1st: I'm thoroughly impressed on the knowledge that exists on this forum. I've been reading it for about a week and this has to be the place to find out what's what with old bicycles.

2nd: Forgive my ignorance on the correct nomenclature with respect to various bike parts. If I get it wrong, have a few grins and giggles on me. If I'm not sure what it's called, I'll sort of describe it.

Now for the meat of the subject . . . . .

About 20 years ago I purchased a used bike from the local town bike repair guy. Altho, the subject bike had been repainted by the repair guy to a pretty robin's egg blue, he at least masked off that area of the bike between where the seat rod goes into and the chain sprocket. It said "Rudge Whitworth."

I knew from old vintage high grade double barrel shotguns, both of English and USA manufacture that Sir Joseph Whitworth steel barrels was just about the best you could get. So I bought the bike, $30.00 as I recall.

The bike had been previously owned by an executive of our local power utility company, Rochester (NY) Gas and Electric.

Unfortunately, the bike had been repainted, the chain guard was missing as well as the nameplate that was attached to the part below the handle bars. Probably some other items too.

I used it for several years driving back and forth to work. For the past 10 years or so, it has been up in the garage storage area. I got it down and began to clean it up and get it back on the road. We have since moved and it would be handy to make the two daily trips down our 700 foot long driveway to get the AM paper and the mail as well as an occasional ride down our country road.

Following is some of the info from various bike parts.

On the underside of the hub where the pedal, chain, sprocket goes through, "A597151" is stamped.

The rear hub is marked "STURMEY - ARCHER/AW-9/ENGLAND." Could not find a date stamped on it.

The chrome plated steel rear wheel is marked "DUNLOP 26 x 1 3/8 EA3M MADE IN ENGLAND US PAT 2??486." The rear tire is marked "US No. 83 LIGHTWEIGHT CHAIN V 27 x 1.5 MADE IN USA" and also marked "WAR TIRE."

The front wheel hub is marked "RUDGE." The front wheel is the same as the rear wheel. The front tire is marked "DUNLOP SPORTS 26 x 1 3/8 Made in England."

It has a 3 speed shifter mounted on the cross bar (between the seat and the handle bar post): "LOW - N - HIGH" and "SA".

The seat is marked "BROOKS."

Thru the paint, a decal is located on the rear fender. It appears to be marked "RUDGE WHITWORTH COVENTRY."

The sprocket has the shape of a hand with fingers extended on it as tho to say "STOP" ????

From removing some of the non-original blue paint, the original paint was black with gold pin stripes. I sure wish it had not been repainted regardless of what the old paint looked like.

It has what I would describe as caliper brakes where each wheel brake is applied via handles on the handle bars to rubber pads that squeeze the wheel rims. By the way, what are "BAR" brakes?

That pretty much describes my bike. Can anyone give me some additional info: age, value (altho not for sale), etc.

One other thing. The chain that attaches the shifter cable to the insides of the rear wheel hub broke. It is a very small and somewhat delicate chain (but must be quite robust for what it does) which is about 2 inches long, 5 cms.

I have a machinist friend who is pretty handy and will ask if he can replace the pin securing the broken links. If not, is that something a good bike repair shop might do?

I like the old bike. Incidently, I'm 63 years old and this is the first bike that I ever had. Never had the resources when I was a kid to have a bike of any kind. My older brother at least got our mothers bike when she no longer needed it. I was occasionally allowed to use it.

I'm sorry for the very long winded message. If anyone is still with me, thank you for your patience.

My best regards, Bill.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth Age, Value, etc. posted by Warren on 7/16/2000 at 12:32:46 AM
It's a nice bike! You didn't mention whether the brakes were cable or rod activated. I don't know how to date it but the AW hub goes back to the mid 30's which supports your war tire. The indicator chain that operates the gears is easily replaced...save the favour from your machinist friend but keep the original just in case. My last comment is that you may find that the nuts, bolts and threads on the bike conform to Whitworth standards which are slightly different than most other bikes...see http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_w.html#whitworth for a quick explanation and then check out the rest of the site for a complete overview of english 3 speeds among others.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth Age, Value, etc. posted by Bill Jolliff on 7/16/2000 at 8:13:52 AM
Warren,

Thanks for your response.

I would say the front and rear brakes are cable activated. That is to say, a flexible cable runs from the handles on the handle bars to the calipers that squeeze pads against the wheel rims.

Thanks for the info on Sheldon Brown web site. I'll look to replace the indicator table.

Bill

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth Age, Value, etc. posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 7/16/2000 at 10:22:22 AM
E-mail me if you would like diagrams sent to you free.http://www.ChristopherRobin@starmail.com

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth Age, Value, etc. posted by Bill Jolliff on 7/23/2000 at 10:11:13 PM
Bill (Putnam),

Thanks for your reply.

1939 for the age of the SA hub and bike sounds about right from what I know about the bike.

Glad to know it's an old timer and will keep going strong.

I ordered a new indicator chain from Harris Cyclery. Should be here soon. Thanks again for your help.

Bill Jolliff

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth Age, Value, etc. posted by Bill Putnam on 7/21/2000 at 10:50:13 AM
Bill,

Based on your description of the hub, AW-9 is a 1939
hub. In the 30's (first years of the AW), only the
last digit of the year was marked. The threads on the
AW axle are a form of Metric, not Whitworth. More
information is on Sheldon Brown's web site
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/english-3.html

Bill






AGE / VALUE:   Rivendell needs our help immediately! posted by: christopherRobin on 7/15/2000 at 11:16:12 AM
I have learned that Rivendell Bicycle Works is in a bad bind. Seemingly necessary changes including a move has left them cash poor in a bad time. I am appealing that if you were going to place an order that you do it NOW! If they can get in some extra orders they can get caught up and continue to stay around. Rivendell is VERY SPECIAL and EXTREMLY IMPORTANT to all of us who like these bicycles. Many items are made especially for Rivendell and no other outfit has the selection of items we are looking for. Brooks saddles, Carridice bags, Nitto racks and stems (the best steel racks, really, Nitto is a whole another subject. Top, Top Quality!) all kinds of cool things. This is one distributor, one company we SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE! Also, the dedication and work and efforts that these folks have invested is too important,too incredible, they have done too much good for us Bicyclists to let it slip away. We all need to pile into Viking longboats and bring fresh reinforcements (orders)! Please go to http:www.Rivendellbicycles.com/catalog/

Get a Carridice bag, a new Brooks leather seat, a Nitto rack, SOMETHING! The prices have always been fair.
Get a look at what Rivendell has done, The Rivendell reader? Who else has done so much?
Sheldon has done a lot,he deserves a medal for dedication. HOWEVER, I cannot imagine the scene if we lose Rivendell. It would be terible.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rivendell needs our help immediately! posted by Oscar on 7/15/2000 at 11:48:42 AM
I did my part yesterday (the same day my new catalogue came in). We all love Grant's perspective on the good stuff, but did you know that his staff delivers excellent customer service? Dumb questions patiently answered and tech advice freely given. That's another reason to fax an order. (They'll make it, but send in some quick orders. Buy a subscription for a friend if you're all stocked up.)

Christoher - you should consider writing an article for the Reader. I know you have lotsa stories that should see ink.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rivendell needs our help immediately! posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/15/2000 at 11:59:37 AM
I sat and looked thru the catalog, all the back copies of the reader and wondered at the potental loss of it all. I am concerned and worried. How Will I ever get to contribute if they fold up? It would be an honor if one day I got to contribute but I want to help them sell Brooks seats, carridice bags. This is a great thing I do not want to mourn the loss of them they are too good to lose. Please e- mail friends and really take this up until it's better.
http://www.Rivendellbicycles.com/catalog/

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rivendell needs our help immediately! posted by Mike Q. on 7/16/2000 at 7:40:57 AM
I dunno about Rivendell. They're certainly knowledgeable about bike stuff, but seem to be sadly lacking in marketing savvy. I've had a hard time getting anything out of 'em. They're always out of stock or on back order, and their backorders take forever. Email enquiries go unanswered. I sent 'em my $15 membership, and never did get a catalog. Only one issue of their Reader, then that stopped.

Maybe more time spent on getting organized and less spent on their all too chatty Reader could help to turn 'em around?






AGE / VALUE:   Mafac Racer brakes posted by: ChristopherRobin on 7/15/2000 at 11:00:02 AM
Mafac made excellent brakes! The racer is the more common one but I like them, If I can find the other types all the better, but these are great and after getting polished up and fitted with Mathauser brakes I am really happy!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mafac Racer brakes posted by Wings on 7/15/2000 at 11:34:36 PM
Christopher:
I harvest (get parts) bikes from time to time to condese things. I have Mafac Racer and Mafac Competition brakes. How much diferrence is there between those two brakes (which is better?)?
Weiman makes a brake in a similar style--how does it compare?
I have never used these brakes before.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mafac Racer brakes posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/16/2000 at 9:58:32 AM
The compettition is what folks pay for and really want. I have a few but the racer is good enough for me. I like the Mafac better, it is more cantileaver-ish.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mafac Racer brakes posted by Keith on 7/17/2000 at 6:23:41 AM
I have a 70s bike book that painstakingly compares all of the components of that age, including brakes. It lauds Maffacs. I agree -- very good stoppers, and, very adjustable.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mafac Racer brakes posted by Frank on 7/18/2000 at 2:13:09 AM
Yeah, I have Mafac Racers on my Gitane. I recently replaced the 80's something pads (soft rubbery things with no stopping power) with stock Shimano pads and woweee...rear wheel now locks up with me on the seat. I like their construction, they look like they're way ahead of their time.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mafac Racer brakes posted by Keith on 7/18/2000 at 5:57:03 AM
I was looking at Sloane's '70 edition this morning -- a picture of the 1968 Tour de France. Most of the bikes pictured had Maffacs. All those Peugeot PX-10s and the like!






MISC:   Apollo? posted by: Sheets on 7/14/2000 at 10:27:54 PM
The basement of the house where I am staying in NYC has disgorged an old black ladies roadster with the headbadge of Apollo Cycle Co., Birmingham. S/A TCW (tricoaster)64 hub, Wright black and white saddle, fancy brass headbadge, and some very cool Neoclassical-looking decals with an Apollo head and acanthus leaves. Also a decal stating "Guaranteed Genuine English Lightweight." I have also seen one of these decals on a ladies 1963 Hercules made for Wards Hawthorne, though this was a very different bike with curvy top bars. The Apollo is a plain Raleigh style ladies frame. Was it perhaps sold through the department stores? I am thinking of riding this one a quarter mile through the park to work daily in spite of a slightly bent crank and seemingly non-functional second gear. Unfortunately I am not much of a mechanic, and a little leary of the TCW hub. Is it safe? The bike does have a well adjusted caliper brake in front, and third gear seems solid. Just thought I would share in light of the recent discussion on the variety of English brand names, wondering if anyone had anything enlightening to say about Apollo Co.


   RE:MISC:   Apollo? posted by Sheets on 7/14/2000 at 11:30:46 PM
Oops, I didn't mean "roadster" - just three speed.

   RE:MISC:   Apollo? posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/15/2000 at 10:55:54 AM
A nice solid B-grade Raleigh built bike. basic 3 speed with nice name and a cool badge. I have seen one similar like you describe. Take the wheel to a bike shop if in doubt. You want to make sure it is properly adjusted. Glad to hear it is going to get used and not end up in landfill. This has Raleigh's 26 t.p.i. fittings. I think it is cool to see a bike with a Greek/Roman name because I am half Greek myself.






AGE / VALUE:   Wheel Adventure(Don't fall thru the floor and shine that light over here) posted by: ChristopherRobin on 7/14/2000 at 11:47:26 AM
I visited a old shop and went upstairs after getting the keys from the owner to undo all the locks , chains, and bike locks on the door. Then up the stairs, being carefull not to step on a area where the floor is not sound. I could not get a door open enough because a entangled pile of wheel literally 10 feet high by 20 feet long filling up the entire room. (It was a bathroom/ bedroom in the 1930's) I am dirty and sweating and not looking to the haggling I will have to do to buy this stuff. He always leaves bite marks if I am not really carefull. I managed to pull onw wheel at a time and then get the door open after 1 hour and then back and forth piling them up. Finally a 26 X 1 3/8 Dynohub wheel, a Raleigh pattern rim, a Schwinn rim of same pattern only with rusty knurling, a single speed Bendix, A complete German 3 speed with indicator chains and the nuts,a Solex rear wheel and tire, 23X 2 something misc front hubs in 27 and 26 inch wheels. I took four hours to pull it all out and look at everything and it did not yeild much I tell you.Then I had to put it all back! This had to be piled up and block the door/window and walkways so the thieves would not be able to get back in the place. I boarded it up again for the guy. I went goodie hunting and came home a bit dissapointed.The lack of light did not help any either.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wheel Adventure(Don't fall thru the floor and shine that light over here) posted by sam on 7/14/2000 at 6:17:10 PM
Got to move a lot of dirt to get to a diamond!Better luck next time.And while your resting check out e-bay #380640441

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wheel Adventure(Don't fall thru the floor and shine that light over here) posted by Peter Hällström on 7/15/2000 at 3:58:59 AM
When I checked that eBay number I remembered I´ve seen it some where on the web so I started searching and there it was together with a nice DL-1, just go to this home page: www.rickadee.net/'zephyrus/index.html and you can read this wheelbuilding booklet. Another eBay lot that might be off some interest here is #382728929, there is no picture but the seller sent me one by snail mail when I asked for a picture. /Peter

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wheel Adventure(Don't fall thru the floor and shine that light over here) posted by Peter Hällström on 7/15/2000 at 4:16:54 AM
Something whent wrong in the last note, The "´" before "zephyrus" is wrong it should be the wave sign on the button left of enter-button, Sorry

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wheel Adventure(Don't fall thru the floor and shine that light over here) posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/15/2000 at 10:38:36 AM
I sat and cleaned wheels with steel wool, cleanser, ammonia. Then I trued wheels and rebuilt hub innards, bearings, new rim tape,tires, tubes, until I had it all done and then fitting into the bikes. I have to admit once again that underneath all that rust, dirt was gleaming chrome plate that surprised me. Thanks for the booklet tip.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wheel Adventure(Don't fall thru the floor and shine that light over here) posted by Oscar on 7/15/2000 at 11:40:51 AM
It's always a pleasure to hear about Christopher's adventures. He's the Indiana Jones of bike collecting!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wheel Adventure(Don't fall thru the floor and shine that light over here) posted by Wings on 7/15/2000 at 11:48:14 PM
RIGIDA CHROLUX--
What can you tell me about these rims?
I was harvesting and cleaned up these rims and I never saw anything clean up as great as these rims! Fantastic brilliant chrome with no scratches or rust!
27 inch size

   Rigida rims posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/16/2000 at 10:26:41 AM
I wish I knew something besides they make good quality rims.






WANTED:   Hercules Trigger Shifter posted by: twfaust@aol.com on 7/13/2000 at 8:28:45 PM
Dos anyone have a trigger shifter for a Hercules hub? The bike has a Sturmey-Archer shifter, which works, but I would like to have one that matches the hub.


   RE:WANTED:   Hercules Trigger Shifter posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/15/2000 at 10:41:13 AM
I have had these in the past and you will find it floating around out there somewhere, do not give up.






AGE / VALUE:   Pashley bicycle posted by: Bob on 7/13/2000 at 6:38:30 AM
I'm considering purchasing a Roadster Classic from Pashley Cycles at Stratford-upon-Avon in the U.K. These are modern, 3-speed versions of the classic English roadsters of the past. Does anyone know anything about Pashley's Roadster Classic? Any comments on the bike or the company? I would appreciate any comments anyone has. Thanks.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pashley bicycle posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/13/2000 at 10:16:05 AM
Pashley is a great company having been around a long time. The only British company still making the traditional Roadster. I believe you can still get a 28 inch wheel rod brake model but it is not listed and you will need to ask them about it. Check out the Pashley web site. These are very well made, certainly much better than the Forever Roadsters. I would go the distance and get one with the enclosed chainguard, bell, rack the works.You will not regret it!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pashley bicycle posted by Keith on 7/13/2000 at 11:36:25 AM
I assume you went to their website. My understanding is that you can buy direct from them but they prefer to work through a dealer. I know Scott Cowan of Century Cycles in Cleveland, Ohio has imported them. (440-356-5705). I have never seen a Pashley up close -- only pictures. They've been around a long time - and have supplied bicycles to the British Post Office -- this is a good indication of sturdiness and reputation. See Beeley's History of Bicycles at 51. The models I saw on the website had drum brakes, not rod brakes.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pashley/value posted by Warren on 7/14/2000 at 7:02:05 PM
I've been keeping my eye on a Pashley that parks at a downtown complex where I frequent for lunch. When I first spotted it three years ago I thought I had died and gone to heaven. SA five speed, integrated rear carrier, tasteful lamp mounted on the front fender, alloy 26 X 1 3/8 dutch rims, white tires and a brown B66 as well as a rich British racing green paint scheme. The design, style and components were all just right. Three years later the sheen has worn off...and this is not to belittle the bike because the person riding it commutes most of the year in a northern city, (Toronto). Most of the nuts and bolts are rusting and this seems to migrate to the fenders and frame.I think "he" (mens' frame) lost the front wheel in an accident so it has a cheap substitute. I've got to admit the saddle looks better than ever.

The point is that I often ride a $30 Superbe that is thirty years old with Brooks saddle etc. I know the Pashleys are $700 new in Can. dollars and I think the Raleigh holds up rather well as I park beside it in the bike racks. If you want the Pashley by all means buy it! It tips its hat to bike history like few bikes can. I'm really just commenting on the attitudinal change I have gone through in the last several years. I know many others have experienced the same feelings...inexpensive old bikes have their own rewards.

Just promise me you will grease up all of those cheap steel fittings will you? It will pay dividends down the road,

I'm off the soapbox now...

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pashley/value posted by Fred on 7/15/2000 at 2:00:10 AM
I have to wonder what bikes look like in GB. It is clear to me that our beloved Raleighs do get shabby from the elements. While initially our bikes have beautiful chrome and paint it wouldn't take long for deterioration to set in if used daily in an English climate. Fenders especially seem to lose their looks faster than frames. My pristeen Raleigh bikes obviously were not exposed to elements while others of mine are pretty shabby. This is not to give the impression that I think other makes are not equally susceptible.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pashley/value posted by Dennis P. on 7/15/2000 at 3:15:12 AM
I bought a Pashley last year and have put over 4500 miles on it doing my 24-mile roundtrip commute to work. I ride in sun, wind, rain and snow and have had no problems with the bike. I don't know how old the Pashley with the rusty fittings is, but the nuts and bolts on mine are all stainless steel and have held up well. The point about finding a $30 Raleigh and riding it is a good one, but for those that crave a new roadster-style bike, the Pashley is a good choice.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pashley bicycle posted by Jorge Ullfig on 10/29/2000 at 6:10:49 PM
I’m thrilled with my 28" Classic English Roadster, the Pashley, its a top-end bike, i really enjoy riding it.
The only thing I don't like is the plastic Zéfal Pump, which i replaced and the plastic chain guard,
also replaced with a Raleigh gun style type, I had it custom accessorized and it cost less than a grand shipped.
and it’s still made in England, have no idea what's going to happen now with the SA fiasco, shame, shame,
how boring is this world getting.
This last Roadster really beats those Genetic Mountain Bikes with frames made probably in Taiwan and with
components made in in any one of a dozen countries and assembled somewhere else.






WANTED:   More Tire Tribulations posted by: Wings on 7/13/2000 at 12:43:41 AM
I need a couple of new tires: SIZE 16 by 1 3/8.
For Road Use! Prefer all black!!
They are not available according to my local bike shop but he said, according to his sources, they are a BRITISH TYRE.
Do you know where I can purchase a couple of these tires on the web or from a bike store?
Your suggestions and information are appreciated!!!
Wings1123@aol.com


   RE:WANTED:   More Tire Tribulations posted by Wings on 7/13/2000 at 1:24:10 AM
I have found more information:
16 by 1 and 3/8 aka 349mm size.
Was used on Moultons. Is used on Brompton and other folders.
Primo Comet 37-349.
Raleigh makes a hybrid 37-349.
Schwalbe makes a marathon kevlar belted 37-349 which is very durable and takes high pressure!
Where are these available?

I also found that the 16 by 1 and 3/8 tyre (349mm) is only 6mm less in diameter than the 18 inch tire found on some Huffys and Schwinns in the last 15 years and my bike store has 18 inchers. I comment that in inches it is 2 inches difference by name, but by the new tire standards with metric about 1/4 inch difference. This makes for tire size fun!

Let me know if you know where those three tires are.
Thanks!

   RE:WANTED:   More Tire Tribulations posted by Michael on 7/13/2000 at 3:57:54 AM
This confusion over similar sounding tyre sizes can be reduced by using ERTRO designations.
There are several lists I have seen, none complete.
Older tyres of course may not have a designation imprinted on their walls, new tyres do.
Anyone got a list of ERTRO designations for vintage wheels?


   RE:RE:WANTED:   More Tire Tribulations posted by Wings on 7/13/2000 at 8:00:10 AM
See:
"Sheldon Brown's "Tire Sizing" Page."
For all the information on sizing tires!

   RE:RE:WANTED:   More Tire Tribulations posted by Wings on 7/13/2000 at 8:02:17 AM
See:
"Sheldon Brown's "Tire Sizing" Page."
For all the information on sizing tires!

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   More Tire Tribulations posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/13/2000 at 10:40:33 AM
Oh for heavens sake, E-mail me after friday I will look

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   More Tire Tribulations posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/13/2000 at 10:41:10 AM
Oh for heavens sake, E-mail me after friday I will look. http://www.ChristopherRobin@starmail.com






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Tire tribulations posted by: A. Martin on 7/12/2000 at 4:31:23 PM
Hey, I have just gotten around to replacing the tires on my Dutch Union Roadster. I had my local bike shop order a set of Kenda 28 x 1-1/2 tires. I replaced the tire on the rear wheel with no problem. Then I got to the front; I knew the front wheel had been replaced as it was not a westwood like the rear and it had a drum brake but it was still a 28 incher...or so I assumed. The size on the Semperit Elite on the front was 28-1.75 and as I removed the tire and began to fit my new kenda I noticed that the new tire was substantially larger and did not fit at all on the rim. So what the heck is a 28-1.75 tire; it's smaller than a 28" much larger than a 26" and I have never seen one before. So now I need to know if anyone has a 28-1 1/2, 32 hole westwood so I can build up a new wheel to complement my original rear wheel.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Tire tribulations posted by Wings on 7/13/2000 at 12:59:02 AM
Could this be happening with your larger rims?
A 20.175 rim has a rim that is approx. 2 inches shorter diameter than a 20 by 1and 3/8 rim.
A 16.5 rim has a rim that is approx. 1.5 inches shorter diameter than a 16 by 1 and 3/8 rim.
Could a similar situation be happening with your 28s? I sure someone else will have had the same experience.






AGE / VALUE:   What to keep posted by: ChristopherRobin on 7/12/2000 at 10:33:44 AM
It was garbage day the next morning and I peeked in the garage and walked around looking at everything. Was there anything there I should toss out? I found two rims that were too far gone to save or bother with.Why did I bring them home in the first place? How many Sturmey-Archer hubs without metal hinge- type oil caps do I need anyway? Why does this Fiamme alloy rim not have a size stamped on it? I only have one and that drives me nuts. I took it in to polish and will go tire fitting with it.But why even bother I don't have a matched set? The only bike I ever see in the garbage is a really worthless Huffy.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What to keep posted by Keith on 7/12/2000 at 12:19:40 PM
In my neighborhood the word has gotten out about my bikeoholism, and they now bring their bikes to me when they clean out their garages. I don't even go to garage sales any more, though when I spot something out with the trash I invariably stop to check it out. No DL-1s or Colnagos acquired this way so far.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What to keep posted by Peter Hällström on 7/12/2000 at 12:21:38 PM
When I come to this situation I automticly start thinking about an old proverb that I learned from my father.
Its not very easy to translate from Swedish but its something like this: "Nothing is as good as to have it".
And having said that I keep the piece of junk for another year or ten, so my advise is to keep it all because you never know when you are going to need it.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   What to keep posted by Kevin C. on 7/12/2000 at 4:59:23 PM
Wasn't it Keats who said, "Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard are sweeter"? It's as true for bicycles as it is for melodies.






AGE / VALUE:   28 by 1.5 Tires posted by: Bill Thomas on 7/11/2000 at 3:07:50 PM
Help! I just bought a Raleigh Armstrong "The All-Steel Bicycle" ladies model, in black for $25.00 at a church sale. I have not been able to research the serial numbers to determine the bike's age just yet. (It is up at our weekend place right now.) The paint and steel rims are rough, but it all works.

My first question is a simple one- where do I find tires for this thing? The 28 x 1.5 Michelin Roadster tires currently on the bike have dry rot, although the Schrader valve tubes will still hold 50 lbs and I can ride it just fine. I just don't want to ride it too far. Those tires will not hold out forever.

It had a large kickstand attacked to the rear hub which weighed a fair amount. I took it off just to lighten things up a bit. Are these kickstands original? It looked very aftermarket, but old.

Your thoughts welcome. Tire sources especially!

Best to all,

Bill Thomas



   RE:AGE / VALUE:   28 by 1.5 Tires posted by bill zervas on 7/11/2000 at 5:04:30 PM
Maybe this is just a coincidence, but I saw my first Armstrong sold at a beachfront sale in Ocean Grove, NJ this past Saturday AM. I peered at it "over the fence" before the sale began, and returned about 5 minutes later to see a woman wheeling it away.Never did catch the price. Anyway, Harris Cyclery sells the tires you want. I just bought one myself($19.95 ea plus $5 to ship)--might cost the same to ship two. Nice quality blackwalls. They also have the correct tubes,tho you can get away with using K-mart 27 inchers if the need arises.Hope that was you that got the bike I didn't. Hope this helps. Bill Zervas

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   28 by 1.5 Tires posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/11/2000 at 5:37:31 PM
You can get away with a 27 inch tube but you do not need to do this anymore. I have not heard this recommended in awhile but it is still true. Any bike shop can sell you a 700 X 38 -45 inner tube. You may have to use a presta valve instead of a car type Schreder valve and the little screw ring that comes with the tube but a presta valve is a better valve anyway. I recommend you get a 700C inner tube one that says 700X 35-45 C tube. Bring the old wheel or tire to the shop. Those Michelin tire were wonderful. I wish I could still get these. The kickstand could be a aftermarket kickstand the shops had on hand to put on the bikes they sold. I mean it may not be origonal and I pull off the heavy klunky kickstands myself. Congratulations on your good find, 25.00 is a really good deal!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   28 by 1.5 Tires posted by Ernie @ Bikes on Boundary on 7/11/2000 at 8:57:58 PM
Hi! I have a good suppy of NOS 28x1 1/2 tires......sofar price $20.00 each in canadian $$'s shipping extra but wont be much.

   Canadian 28 X 1 1/2 Westwood rim tires posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/12/2000 at 10:24:13 AM
I have a pair of Canadian 28 X 1 1/2 Westwood rims they are painted a dark purple and they were for C.C.M. or perhaps Canadian Raleigh but these take a diffrent tire even they are 28 X 1 1/2 The English(Raleigh Tourist D.L.1) tire will not fit! So we have two sizes of 28 X 1 1/2 What kind are you offering? The shop in Canada I went thru had two sizes of these it was confusing. At the time I bought them all!!

   RE:Canadian 28 X 1 1/2 Westwood rim tires posted by Ernie @ Bikes on Boundary on 7/12/2000 at 11:23:37 PM
Hi Chris! my 28x 1 1/2 tires are for english rims,will not fit CCM

   RE:RE:Canadian 28 X 1 1/2 Westwood rim tires posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/13/2000 at 10:45:57 AM
AAHHA, VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD!

   RE:RE:RE:Canadian 28 X 1 1/2 Westwood rim tires posted by Ernie @ Bikes on Boundary on 7/16/2000 at 12:26:29 AM
Hi again, Chris,maybe you are aware of this allready,but The 28x1 1/2 canadian size tire will fit on the 28x1 3/4 Dunlop rim,as I noticed today dismantling an Oldtimer apart for the part's.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:Canadian 28 X 1 1/2 Westwood rim tires posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/16/2000 at 10:28:26 AM
I never knew this!! Pass the word. Thanx for telling us.






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August 13, 2000
Brookline, Mass.







AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Decals? posted by: Tom Faust on 7/10/2000 at 9:28:33 PM
I imagine that this question has been asked a few times. Is there a source for Raleigh decals? I have noticed that there are a number of articles on the web concerning making your own decals with a color printer or a copy machine. They do mention the difficulty I would imagine. The curvature of the decal being photographed will result in a deformed image. I can't remember all of the sites, but they are associated with model aircraft and trains.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Decals? posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/11/2000 at 11:19:27 AM
Nick at "Nick at LLoyds" is the fellow to talk to! and not just for Raleigh but everything else. "The god of transfers" problem solved, good to go, done deal. Take some pictures, call for a chat after you write or E-mail and know that you are in good, knowledgable hands that have been doing this for some time.

   Decals, Where to get them! posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/13/2000 at 11:37:58 AM
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/NICK_AT_LLOYDS/decals.htm






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh LTD-SC posted by: Bob on 7/10/2000 at 6:21:18 PM
I just bought a Raleigh bike for $18. I know that the three speed hub is not original, but the numbers under the seat on the frame are 9048. Does this mean it was made in 1948? The fenders and the seat all look original.