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Archived: English Roadsters







FOR SALE:   ENGLISH TRANSFERS posted by: Ian on 12/17/2001 at 2:08:26 AM
Hi, I have being going through my recent acquisitions and find I have more transfers than I could use in 100 years of collecting. I could put them on eBay put I enjoy this place so much each evening that I would rather just offer them to you guys first. These are English made, what I think they call water slide transfers varnish fixed. I will post a quick list but if anyone wants more details just email me.
Raleigh :- "The Tourist Made in England" x 3, "Heron shaped head tube transfer The Raleigh" x 4, "The True Temper Steel Bicycle" x 5, "The True Temper Steel Bicycle" (with a shield added) x 2 $20 the lot including postage or best offer.
Phillips :- "Renowned the world over - Phillips Bicycles" in a circle with a Lion's head x10, also specific Phillips model transfers covering the models Coventry Special, Picador, Manhattan, Kingfisher, Phantom, Jaguar and Valiant. Several of each transfer, about 50 or 60 in total although not all are in perfect condition. $30 the lot or best offer or take both lots for $45 including postage. Cheers, Ian.







FOR SALE:   Raleigh Superbe posted by: George on 12/16/2001 at 9:14:55 PM
With regard to my ad re the above bike, my e-mail address is djotty@msn.com in case you guys need some pictures.
George







AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong posted by: sam on 12/16/2001 at 8:27:07 PM
Armstrong Siddeley of Coventry England is an engineering firm of high repute both in aircraft and autos. They make both the Sapphire car and Sapphire turbo-jet simultaneously at the "Deasy" as the factory is called in Coventry.The Sapphire aircraft turbo-jet engine is made in the USA under license and used in the WriteJ-65 and powers the Martin B-57 and the Republican Thunderstrick fighter.-----Sometimes I see Armstrong Bikes on ebay,and wonder how made them---sam


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong posted by Ian on 12/17/2001 at 12:26:59 PM
Sam, I have a pulicity booklet put out by THE BRITISH CYCLE CORPORATION in July 1958. They were at least as big as Raleigh at that time by the look of the booklet. They made :- Aberdale, Alpha, Armstrong, Celtonia, Dunelt,Excelsis, Hercules, James, Norman, Philco, Phillips, Rambler, Raynal, and Suns plus a lot of accessories such as Brampton, Wright Saddles etc. They were tied up with Tube Industries and I think eventially joined them. In brief they say " In 1918 Henry Fearn, a first clas engineer, cyclist and idealist formed Armstrong Cycles Limited to manufacture hand built bicycles for discriminating riders." They also say that when he retired B.C.C. continued the traditions of hand built top of the line light weight bikes but do not say what year that was. Obviously Armstrongs were made from 1918 until after 1958 but they appear to have no relationship to Armstrong Siddley who made lovely old cars. Regards, Ian.






FOR SALE:   Raleigh Superbe posted by: George on 12/16/2001 at 1:24:40 PM
I am placing this ad again (for the last time):
This Raleigh is in real superb condition. Details: frame size 21", AW 68, saddle type B72, front dynamo with various front and rear lights, all euipment either original or added. Extras:bike cover, parking bracket, transport carrier, woolen saddle cover, fork lock plus extra chain lock. Original owner.
Can send pictures via e-mail. Asking price $275.00 or best offer.


   RE:FOR SALE:   Raleigh Superbe posted by P. Menon on 12/23/2001 at 6:31:41 PM
Hello,

I would greatly appreciate it if you could send me an email (pravinramdas@aol.com) with pictures of your bicycle.

Thanks,
P. Menon






AGE / VALUE:   Nice job on the spotter's guide posted by: Kevin C. on 12/15/2001 at 2:58:14 PM
Excellent work, guys!It's going to save some English bikes from the dumpster!







WANTED:   Handgrips and tires posted by: John on 12/14/2001 at 10:28:48 PM
I have a 1947 Raleigh Roadster. It's in nice original condition but missing handgrips. The bars are a plain raised type,straight across the front for the roller brake levers and 17 inches wide. The problem is the straight section for the grips is only about 3 inches long. I have seen references to "Gray rubber blimp shaped grips". Were they this short? Some of the old celluloid grips were quite short but would they still be in use in 47? Does anyone have a source for the correct ones?
Also looking for a source for 28x1 3/4 tires for the same bike. Any help would be appreciated.


   RE:WANTED:   Handgrips and tires posted by Clyde on 12/16/2001 at 7:23:11 PM
for grips like you describe, check out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1049210119

Local bike shops sometimes stock (always can order) 28-inchers, but better comfirm the metric dimensions just to make sure (40x635).

   RE:WANTED:   Handgrips and tires posted by sam on 12/16/2001 at 8:24:39 PM
John,try st.John Street Cycles there at www.sjcycles.com These tires are postal carriers I think.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   date this... posted by: MichaelW on 12/14/2001 at 2:42:45 PM
Here's a challenge for you. I picked up a small but useful "Cycling Book of Maintainance" in a 2nd hand bookshop, but the date of publication is illegible.
Temple Press (2nd ed) at 2 shillings, with a forward by H.H England, editor of "Cycling".
The ads feature more in the way of maintainance tips than sales pitch, so I guess it it just postwar, with companies such as Millar lighting, Midland luggage, BH Airlite hubs, and Resilion cantelevers, "now made in Light Alloy with all wearing parts steel bushed".
Transmission features include strip-down and exploded diagrams for Sturmey Archer AF9, AW, AB, BSA 3 speed and Hurcules 3 speed hub gears, and Cyclo 3 speed derailleur.
The discussion of gear ratios is pretty sophisticated, taking into account crank length, and matching gears to rider power and cadence.
On lighting, they comment "Oil lamps are seldom used nowadays" and "Acetylene lighting has rather fallen out of favour, although it can give a remarkable good light.

I may be tempted to scan in some of the pages .

Michael.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   date this... posted by Warren on 12/14/2001 at 5:29:14 PM
I think all of the transmission and hubs mentioned were available in the 50's. That's as close as I can guess.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   date this... posted by John on 12/14/2001 at 10:27:07 PM
I have a third edition of the Cycling Book Of Maintenance dated 1951. Another good Temple Press book is Cycling Manual. It is not as technical but is fun to read. My copy is 22nd edition 1950.






AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Superbee posted by: Ted on 12/13/2001 at 8:57:20 PM
Picked up a Raleigh Superbee with all the bells & whistles, the hub is dated 66,its a 3 speed with dynohub,head &tail lights ding dong bell,tool bag,air pump,huret speedometer,brooks saddle, green in very nice condition what might it be worth? Thanks Ted


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Superbee posted by Warren on 12/14/2001 at 5:45:31 PM
The Superbee was a souped up factory Dodge Coronet from the late 60's. It came in bright orange with a "six-pack" of Weber carburators on a 383 hemi. I went like a bat-outa-hell. Quite collectable but not a great everyday vehicle.

The Superbe was a souped up factory Raleigh Sport's from the 50's to the late 60's. It came in British bronze green with a locking fork and a wide range AW transmission on a pair of EA1 rims. It went as fast as your little legs could pedal. Somewhat collectable and a great everyday rider. Value with all the accessories? Plus or minus $150 depending on the market you live in.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Superbee posted by Warren on 12/14/2001 at 5:55:56 PM
Sorry, couldn't help myself. My neighbour had a Superbee around '68. I think it got 6 mpg on high test leaded gas. What a monster.

BTW, the Superbe was in production, at least thru to the late 70's.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Superbee posted by Stacey on 12/14/2001 at 6:24:19 PM
Correction Warren: The 383 was a Mopar "B" Block motor with a conventional combustion chamber. The displacement of the Hemi, named for its Hemispherical shaped combustion chamber, was 426 ci. Both of these motors along with the 440 were available power options over the course of its production. The Six-Pack was NOT comprised of Weber Carbs, they were Carter. The production run of the Super Bee ran into the early seventies, and they came in a multitude of colors... including Purple nad Bright Lime Green.

Yeah... Ain't no car like a Mopar!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Superbee posted by Warren on 12/14/2001 at 7:15:31 PM
Yeah...I should stick to bikes. The 426 ci hemi rings a bell now. It's been a long time since I had any interest in muscle cars...it did go like stink however.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Superbee posted by Ted on 12/14/2001 at 8:51:30 PM
Thanks Warren I forgot to mention the locking fork which I dont have a key for and Stacey beat me to the punch about the Mopar version of the Superbee.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Superbee posted by Clyde on 12/15/2001 at 9:56:20 AM
Ted, A good locksmith can cut a key from the code numbers stamped on the lock. And Stacy, yes Mopar engines were great. I sure hated to recently sell Grandma's '65 Belvedere with 38 k on the Slant Six!






MISC:   Dynohub? posted by: bacoes on 12/13/2001 at 8:24:47 AM
I just picked up a slightly ratty Raliegh Sports and am hoping to use for some light duty commuting. The hub is a '62. Anyways, it has a S/A front hub generator and front and rear lights. Is it worth trying to repair/rebuild or should I just pull that stuff off.


   RE:MISC:   Dynohub? posted by DBean on 12/13/2001 at 5:56:08 PM
Ride it! It sounds like a good bike. The Dynohub setup should produce useful light unless it has been improperly disassembled. And since your bike is all in one piece, it's probably ok. It's far superior to a tire-driven generator. Check out Sheldon Brown's web site (mentioned all over this place) to see about bearings etc. The main thing to remember is never to separate the ring-shaped magnet in the generator from the armature in its center; the magnet will lose its magnetism.

   RE:RE:MISC:To DynoHub or not to Dynohub that was the question posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/13/2001 at 7:01:56 PM
Keep it on the bike, even if you don't end up using it. This on the bike adds value.Go with a battery Halogen Cat Eye H.L. 1500 they are like 15.00 and use rechargeable AA batteries in it. Regarding the Sturmey Archer dynohub. You can get bulbs from Reflectalite in England. The tail light bulb from a auto part store if it is the push in type bulb. Before you go into re- building the dynohub be sure to read up on them at Sheldon's site. A library or used bookstore has books covering these older bikes. This thing is waterproof, won't wear out your tires, no little wheel thingie to slip in wet weather or take up mud or snow. Is virtually frictionless and has no batteries to wear out. You will have a usuable light that looks romantic and cool as He- double -elle ! Put the Cat Eye HL 1500 on the bars. If you really go riding at night than invest in a real modern light set from the local bike shop bescause lights are real important and we want you safe out there. Dude, You found a Sports with lights. It a great city bike!

   Tales of the Dynohubs posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/13/2001 at 7:15:04 PM
What happened to the Dynohub you may ask? Well, they discontinued it about 1980 after it went thru changes. A new version "the XAG" with newer ceramic magnet technology was actually made and there were a few prototypes about but the plans to put it into productiuon were stoped, the project killed off, and the samples scrapped! Now for my favorite part! "It is known that a few survived!" Read Tony Hadland's book "The Sturmey Archer Story" for more cool tales like that one.
Shimano and I think somebody else, went ahead with their version of a modern dynohub and they sell them but it is difficult here in the States to get one. Modern dynohubs are not dead just hard to get ahold of. The old school Sturmey Archer dynohubs are out there in old bikes and boxed sets with the lights and are selling on e- bay anywhere from 15.00 up to like 200.00. If you do go not using what you have be sure to keep it as it's worth something.

   RE:MISC:   Dynohub? posted by bacoes on 12/13/2001 at 8:01:20 PM
Lightning strikes twice. I was telling a coworker about it today and he told me there was one just like it next to a dumpster in his apartment complex. No dynohub on this one, '58 SW hub and a curved toptube. Used to be all I found to fix up were lighweights, now suddenly going vintage british.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Dynohub? posted by Bill Putnam on 12/14/2001 at 2:34:02 PM
As others have mentioned the Dynohub if it hasn't been
dissassembled incorrectly should still be useful. The
magnets vary in strength, though. Nominally they put
out 1.8Watts at 6 volts. Yours may be more or less than
this. Reflectalite sells a modern halogen bulb well suited
to the dynohub http://www.reflectalite.com/halogenpage.html
it is their model GH107. It can be used with a standard .6W
taillight, or alone with a voltage regulator (I got a bulb
and voltage regulator from Reflectalite). Note that this is not the same bulb as is used in most 3 Watt generator systems.
Although not as
powerful as some of the rechargable battery systems, it is
very dependable and is much more efficient than sidewall
driven generators. Sheldon has a nice discussion on the
Dynohub at http://www.sheldonbrown.com/dynohubs.html
If your hub has low power output, it may be because the
hub was dissassembled improperly and the armature removed
from the magnet without a keeper in its place. VVVintage
does have some new old stock magnet/armature assemblies for
sale or Eric Hjertberg in Menlo Park CA has a remagnetizer
and can remagnetize. You can contact Eric by e mail at
ehjertberg@yahoo.com

I use a Union headlamp with my Dynohub as it is better
optically than the original Sturmey. I also have reflective
tape on many parts of my bike. As ChristopherRobin said
there are other manufacturers out there that make new
generator hubs-the best in my opinion is the Schmidt SON
which is available in the US through Peter White http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/Schmidt-Lumotec.htm
Schmidt has dealers in other countries as well. See
http://www.nabendynamo.de/
This hub shows what might have been had Sturmey continued
with their development of a replacement model (the GH6
Dynohub dates to the 30's) and although expensive is
lighter, more efficient, and more powerful.

Hope you enjoy your Dynohub, they are a practical piece
of technology from the past that can still be useful.

Bill Putnam

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Dynohub? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/16/2001 at 2:19:17 PM
Listen to Bill! and thanks for Reflect i-lites web address!






AGE / VALUE:   Sir Frank Bowden posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/12/2001 at 7:41:25 PM
Sir Frank Bowden has passed away at age 93

Go to the thisisnottingham web site and do a archive search under Raleigh and pull up the article to read for yourself. I'm sorry to hear we lost him. I'll bet he knew about the recent rechristening of the "Raleigh bicycle Company" I'm glad he lived long enough to see the efforts put forth by the current man in charge. Raleigh goes on!


   Oh no..... posted by . on 12/14/2001 at 1:37:39 PM
A dark day for ALBERT indeed!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sir Frank Bowden posted by Albert on 12/16/2001 at 2:10:15 PM
The departed was the son or grandson of the "war butcher". Cheers from Philadelphia!






AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth posted by: Matt on 12/12/2001 at 4:15:08 PM
I have a Rudge Whitworth gents roadster, frame number: 471101R and I would like to know what year this was manufactured. It was produced by 'Raleigh' industries, probably early 50's.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/12/2001 at 6:29:46 PM
Take a look at the rear hub on the bike. Unless it is a single speed hub, you should discover that stamped onto the hub shell is a date code. (example) 8 54 which would be August of 1954. This is the year the rear 3 or 4 speed hub was made and right within that point in time the whole bicycle too, was made.
Unless your rear wheel was switched after the bike was sold, that is.
Is your bike equiped with 28 inch wheels or 26 inch wheels? A roadster has the larger wheels and rod brakes. A Sports or Supurbe model has the smaller (26 inch) wheels and cable operated brakes.
visit Sheldon Brown's site at http://www.Sheldonbrown.com Raleigh bicycles, English 3 speeds care and feeding, e.t.c. There is a serial number chart at his site that you can use to determine the year also. Your bike should be listed in this chart. Exploded diagrams are shown here at Old Roads.com under resources look for Raleigh , Rudge, Humber diagrams.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth posted by Ben on 12/12/2001 at 8:12:19 PM
Chris,

Be sure to copy the above paragraph you wrote and paste it into a word doc for storage. It's highly reusable....






AGE / VALUE:   Hercules Camelback posted by: Art on 12/11/2001 at 4:39:03 PM
Hercules camelback on e-bay # 1045735830. Seller lists it as a 1959. Is this after Raleigh bought them out, and if so, does this frame style show up with a Raleigh badge on it, as well. Art in Phoenix where, no lie, it's actually raining out.







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HERCULES 28" posted by: Timothy J Dergo on 12/11/2001 at 11:53:57 AM
cAN ANYONE TELL ME HISTORY AND VALUE OF A HERCULES 28" MENS BIKE? WITH CABLE BRAKES. ALSO WHERE DO I GO ON EBAY TO LOOK AT SUCH BIKES? THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR ANY HELP. TIM


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HERCULES 28 posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/11/2001 at 12:37:02 PM
Type in Raleigh bicycle, English bicycle, Hercules Bicycle, or Roadster bicycle.
Hercules Cycle and Motor was based in Birmingham, England before being merged with Raleigh from Nottingham in 1960.
Go to http://www.Sheldonbrown.com look under English bikes, Raleigh bikes and explore the site.
Please describe this in more detail for us.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   bike identification posted by: Cory on 12/10/2001 at 11:27:45 PM
Anybody have any info on Rigby Brothers bikes?? I have a 3 speed model mid 60s?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Rigby bicycle mystery! posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/11/2001 at 12:02:41 PM
If you want to replace wearable parts, one doesn't need to solve the mystery. They are either Raleigh made 26 t.p.i. threads or it's 24 t.p.i. British like on a Phillip's.
Compare a Raleigh made bike's headset parts to your bike's headset parts. Are they alike? Take a look at the exploded diagrams here and compare the bikes bits to yours. Raleigh, Rudge, Humber exploded diagrams. Sheldon Brown's site has most all the British names listed and he explains it. Is Rigby there? He tells how to identify the rear dropout's eyelets. It's under British bicycles, Raleigh bicycles, That's important. By 1960 I this is likely a Raleigh made bike. What the story is with the real Rigby Brothers, where their factory was, what all they made bikewise is a mystery yet to be told.
Wish I knew.It may turn up on Cycles De Oro one day as they are putting it all together there. Go to Classic's Rendevous at Cycles De Oro.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   bike identification posted by Dale on 12/11/2001 at 12:22:09 PM
Wow, another one!

My wife has a 50s ladies Rigby, hub dated 54-something. I still have the original wheels but have replaced them with Dynohub front and alloy shell AW rear, with FW internals. Frame is sagging ever so little, which appears to be due to weak design and materials. Still has its head crest but has been repainted (1973) in its original black. Could use another paint job and new tires. Currently stored.

The model we have is unimpressive. Except for having an AW, most original components were third rate.

I'll be interested in any info that turns up on the marque.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   bike identification posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/11/2001 at 12:39:50 PM
Perhaps not Raleigh made then, because even the 2 nd rate, b- grade bikes to come from Raleigh were much better than this. Perhaps a small maker's last gasp.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   bike identification posted by Ben on 12/11/2001 at 2:20:09 PM
Hard to imagine a "sagging" frame...sure it's not just "bent?"






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   bike identification posted by: Cory on 12/10/2001 at 11:27:45 PM
Anybody have any info on Rigby Brothers bikes?? I have a 3 speed model mid 60s?