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Archived: English Roadsters







AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh bikes for sale below...update posted by: Paul on 5/4/2001 at 4:13:04 PM
Thank all of you for your interest in the bikes listed below...interest has been shown in the 1972 Black Raleigh mens LTD-3 for $195 and the super cool 1938 Hercules rod brake bicycle for $495 with first ever AW hub and great tube shifter. I can lower the price on the 1974Raleigh Sports (Blue) because it does not have the mans top bar to $125...this is very nice Raleigh 3 speed....think twice if you have been looking for a great Made in England 3 speed ...this is it!. Thank you.







FOR SALE:   parting out 3 raleigh superbes posted by: bernie on 5/4/2001 at 4:08:00 PM
parting out 3 mid 70's english made raleigh superbs.
leather seta.dyno hubs and lights.
color matching racks.locking forks missing keys.
bikes are all complete and ready to restore but i have too many projects.please send needs or offer.
1 mens 21"
1 mens 23"
1 ladys 19"??
all are green in color.







AGE / VALUE:   1952 humber weird fork posted by: bernie on 5/4/2001 at 3:18:36 PM
got an old girls humber sport..hub shell dated 52..
weird for.
looks like 2 small pieces of tubing making up each blade then coming down into a lug type for the fork end dropout.
anyone need this or know the rarity or worth?
bike is in rusty but restorable condition...
serious inquiries will force me to take some pics.please email me direct and we can make you the new proud owner.bthandel@aol.com


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1952 humber weird fork posted by oops i meant weird fork on 5/4/2001 at 5:01:28 PM
just correcting a typo.






AGE / VALUE:   Psychic dent removal? posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/4/2001 at 1:29:09 PM
I picked up a 22 inch frame DL1 in mint condition, with exception of the mudguards and hockystick style chainguard these are dented on top, (big dents too) so horribly it hurts to see it. I wonder if Uri Geller could help me with chaincases and mudguards?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Psychic dent removal? posted by Randy on 5/5/2001 at 8:48:02 AM
Christopher, if they are *that* painful to look at, just have a go at trying to undent them yourself. I don't think you have much to lose.

On my DL-1, the fenders were pretty dented, and the front one bent so sharply there was a crease. I used a small plastic-faced mallet and a piece of softwood for backing, and pounded out the larger dents, and then "burnished" them with the rounded end of a screwdriver handle. I also had nothing to lose, and the fenders look pretty acceptable now. This might not be "proper" bodywork like in Race Car Fabrication, but the fenders look a lot better now than when I picked up the bike at the secondhand shop...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Psychic dent removal? posted by Warren on 5/4/2001 at 8:33:14 PM
Hi Christopher...I'm not Uri Geller, (I'm tired...who is he?) but I do have fenders and a chainguard for your bike. They have no dents but the paint is weathered. Drop me a note...






WANTED:   Original Raleigh Decals posted by: Ron Deller on 5/4/2001 at 9:35:52 AM
I have a 1967 Raleigh International. It is in completely original condition down to the paint. It is still in excellent conditions. Unfortunatly the decals applied at the factory (the Raleigh Company Logo, Renold 531 etc.) are starting to come off. Is that a source where these decals can be purchased?


   RE:WANTED:   Original Raleigh Decals posted by Peter on 5/4/2001 at 2:48:39 PM
Try
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/NICK_AT_LLOYDS/decals.htm

UK based but ship worldwide






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   GPO Post office bikes posted by: Charlie Hobbs on 5/4/2001 at 9:42:52 AM
I'm looking for information on English post office bikes. frame number, year of production - I don't even know who produced these bikes. Mine has rod brakes, dunlop sprung saddle and the top tube swoops down just before the seat tube. Any clues would be gratefully recieved.







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fabulous Raleigh Bicycles for sale!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by: Paul on 5/4/2001 at 5:06:34 AM
I have a very nice 1974 Medium blue Raleigh Sports.It is the ladies version without the top bar, but if you are not proud about the lack of the top bar, you can get yourself an incredibly looking and riding classic Raleigh 3 speed.It even has the Raleigh light mount on front for a clip -on light should you pick one up. And the rims are the wider almost wing shaped chrome rims that are desireable. Paint is very nice and shiney...normal nicks. Great ride ...looks and rides very well. Before I put it in ebay soon, if interested, please contact me if interested. I can offer it for $150. I live in the Mid-Atlantic region on I 95 where northern Delaware, north east Maryland, South New Jersey, and south east Penn all intersect for bike pick up or I can ship for $20 professional bike shop packing plus actual UPS ground charges. I also have a 1972 Raleigh LTD-3(just like Sports) in same condition .very nice..men's....black....for $195 (same shipping situation)...both above bikes have cable brakes and black saddle seats on great shape....also an extremely rare 1938 Hercules Rod brake with tube top shifter...3 speed like above..with incredibly rare Dunlop "All Weather" 1938 seat....with the first ever AW hub AW8...for $495 plus above shipping conditions...rides like a dream and looks nice...NOS Dunlop 26x1 1/2 tires on Hercules..,,,NOS new tires!!!!!Please contact me immediately if interested in any of above before I list on ebay. Thank you.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fabulous Raleigh Bicycles for sale!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by Warren on 5/4/2001 at 8:38:22 PM
Whewww...I gotta take some business courses or somethin...

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fabulous Raleigh Bicycles for sale!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by Wings on 5/5/2001 at 11:59:47 PM
Warren, No! Stay just the way you are!!!






AGE / VALUE:   rack for sports posted by: sam on 5/3/2001 at 8:23:49 AM
Saw this on ebay-not my -no kin etc.Rack for sports style bike #1140312019 looks like the one on my raleigh sports







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fenders posted by: thetoyking on 5/3/2001 at 6:35:01 AM
I have an NOS set of English club fenders. They are white plastic with a white mudflap and white rubber reflector. Very cool item $25 shipped. Also have a used set of Raleigh peaked fenders with the chrome tip. I beleave these are 26". Have the white paint block on the rear fender. Fenders are blue. They are used but in good shape. No dents or major scratches. Just used. They also have a Columbus bike sticker on the rear fender but that should come off easy. I am asking $20 plus shipping on that set. If interested please e-mail me. Thanks!


   Club Fenders Sold-Thanks posted by thetoyking on 5/4/2001 at 11:25:44 AM
no message






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is it??????????? posted by: Charlie Hobbs on 5/2/2001 at 2:47:20 PM
Hi Everyone, I have just aquired my first restoration project and need a bit of info before I start. It's a English post office bike which I'm temped to restore classically, or jazz up a bit with a custom flame paint job and bit of chrome. But before I go down the custom path I would like to be sure i'm not stuffing up a valuable bike. So any info about old British postie bikes would be very much appreciated.

Its red (surprised?) has rod brakes, single speed, curved back bars, a leather Dunlop sprung saddle, lube ports on BB and hubs, a really wide chain and the top tube swoops down 1/2 foot before the seat tube. Got any idea as to how old???
Any suggestions where I can get more info on these bikes?
Also, what's the basics for painting a frame - stripping, preping and applying? I do not have a clue.

And finally does anyone have contact details for the CRABS (Christchurch Ramshackle and Antique Bicycle Society) in England? Apparently they ride old bikes, drink beer and play bike polo!


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is it??????????? posted by Warren on 5/2/2001 at 5:43:01 PM
Look at that saddle closely...it should be rubber! Lemme know if you break that extra wide chains...I know a shop that still has em.

As for the restoration, most of the folks here on the list tend to favour the "classic" restoration for classic bikes...that don't mean nuthin' cuz you own it! Just skip the polo part, wot.
Luck.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is it??????????? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/3/2001 at 9:04:26 AM
Yes it is worth something! It would be wrong to paint flames on it, The Dunlop saddle is origonal and is worth money. I would get it ridable and enjoy it. Put it up on e- bay and see what it brings in if you don't want to ride it. Good find.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is it??????????? posted by charlie hobbs on 5/3/2001 at 2:35:15 PM
Thanks for the feedback, especially the chain sourcing info. I've had a couple of ales and decided to take the custom path, rather than classic. This may shock someone!

I live in England and there must be loads of these kicking around. It's in a bad way already with bad paint rob and rusty everything. So a custom finish will not de-value it any further, I'll enjoy riding it more and it will be more a part of me. And if it turns out to be dead rare, it will only be another paint job away from a classic. And I totally intend to ride it - no worries.

I've just popped out to the shed and you are indeed right, it is a rubber saddle. Obvious when you think about it - Dunlop and rubber!

Thanks again guys, and you may hear from me when the chain refuses to go back on.







AGE / VALUE:   50's Raleigh posted by: Tom on 5/1/2001 at 1:43:24 PM
My neighbor has an old 3 speed Raleigh that he thinks is a 1954. The serial # is 1130 BR. I can't find info in the serial# database. The wheels are Dunlop 28 x 1 3/4. The crank says REGB No 46645 44 tooth. The hubs are Sturmey-Archer, front and back with hand brakes to the hubs. The front hub is stamped 651 and on the hub brake arm it reads LB 149. The rear says AB 51. I would think the bike is a 1951. Does anyone have pictures of Sturmey-Archer hubs with the big brake hub on the side. Are these rare types of hubs? The guy would like to get prices on restoring this bike. He got it when it was new. It needs a lot of work.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   50's Raleigh posted by Warren on 5/1/2001 at 5:28:25 PM
I have a 1954 Norman roadster with this same hubset. They are good as long as the brake pads are full because you aren't likely to find replacements. There is a brand new in the box AB rear hub on e-bay right now. It has a reserve and the "buy now" price is $175. That's a lot of dinaros for a hub with just adequate stopping power. If you want a daily rider you could keep the rear and substitute one of the newer front hub brakes...Sturmey, if you can find one, or Shimano, (yeah it's sacrilege but they work well).

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   50's Raleigh posted by Jeff on 5/2/2001 at 6:46:10 PM
Hi!

Can you help me out with some information on the Norman Bicycle? I have a 1954 with an AW 3-speed hub. It has 26 x 1-3/8" Dunlop rims and cable operated hand brakes. Can you give me any history on the Norman Bicycles?

Thanks,
Jeff

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: 50's Raleigh posted by Warren on 5/3/2001 at 6:20:29 AM
I know very little about them except that they were swallowed up early in the Raleigh quest for world domination. I too had a Norman Sports bike that was twisted outa shape so I stripped it and dumped the frame. Both of my Norman's have been of very quality...that's just kinda typical of English bikes in the 50's.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: 50's Raleigh posted by phil on 5/3/2001 at 7:44:27 AM
Just to pipe in about the Norman. I've got a 28", rod brake roadster with a AW hub (but no date stamp, perhaps pre-1950)and the original top tube shifter. I bought it a few years ago from a retired Schwinn dealer, who had it at his "shore front" shop that used to rent bikes to tourists in the 50/60's.

Apparently the local residents frequently used the "pond" in the center of town as a convenient place to dump their unwanted "stuff". This man not only tossed a dozen or so, bikes similar to the Norman into the pond in the late 50's, but also sunk a 1956 Ford Sunliner with a blown engine there in 1962.

Who wants to go fishing?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: 50's Raleigh posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/3/2001 at 9:06:43 AM
Car? What car? Do you see a car? I don't see any car! I would think he would have sold it to a junkyard.






AGE / VALUE:   RUDGE DELUXE posted by: JOHN BELLESFIELD on 5/1/2001 at 12:11:31 PM
I AM LOOKING FOR THE MANUFACTURE DATE ON A RUDGE DELUXE # UNDER SEAT IS 1040772







MISC:   Having trouble attracting girls? Dumo the S-A hub! posted by: Tom Findley on 5/1/2001 at 9:52:08 AM
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/rtfindley?e&.intl=us&.flabel=fld11&.from=d&.pindex=10&start=1&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/rtfindley%3fd%26.flabel=fld11%26.intl=us%26.src=ph


   Yikes! DUMP the S-A hub! posted by TF on 5/1/2001 at 9:58:25 AM
I wonder how many girls had a crush on boys who got a Bendix hub? I will send all the bikes on my webpage to the first woman who says she was:

http://www.aboveworld.com/sports_recreation/www.trfindley.com/pgbikes.html

   RE:Yikes! DUMP the S-A hub! posted by JOEL on 5/1/2001 at 2:24:03 PM
It's easier to ride double without that stik shifter in the way.






MISC:   Changing stay spacing for Sturmey hub ??? "Best" way? posted by: Robert on 4/30/2001 at 7:21:11 PM
Albert and others please weigh in on this . I am nearing the point where I will be installing the S/A 3 speed hub in my Schwinn Sprint frame. It was a 10 speed . Spacing of the stays is wider, so what is the best way to narrow them "evenly"? I assume that I could use threaded rod and pull them to a point somewhat closer than they need to be. I'm guessing they will spring back apart some. Or is there a better way that I am overlooking.Thanks for your help.


Robert


   RE:MISC:   Changing stay spacing for Sturmey hub ??? posted by Ben on 5/1/2001 at 1:18:03 PM
Best way is to take it to a framebuilder - they will make the adjustments and measure it for alignment precisely.

   RE:MISC:   Changing stay spacing for Sturmey hub ??? posted by Randy on 5/1/2001 at 1:32:22 PM
Robert, I don't know about the "best" way but I respaced the stays on my Fuji 10-speed frame one at a time (well, not interconnected with a rod, that is.)

There are two things to keep track of--the dropout spacing, and the centering of the stays relative to the main frame triangle. And there will be some springback.

I removed both bottom bracket cups and clamped the frame, by the bottom bracket, in a sturdily-mounted bench vise. The Fuji frame has fender eyelets, so I strung the frame using them, leading the string from the inner face of one, around the head tube and back to the inner face of the other. I was actually using Kevlar stunt-kite line because I had it, stretched good and tight.

I just leaned on each rear dropout a little at a time, alternating, checking the spacing with a bare S-A hub and checking the centering by measuring out from the seat tube to each string. No tools involved at all.

The main thing is to go gradually. You don't want to spring the stay too far and then have to spring it back out.

I'm sure that other people have their own technique, but that's the way I did it, the same as in the old days of respacing from a 5-sprocket derailleur wheel frame for a 6-sprocket, before fancy-schmanzty cassette hubs :-)

Good success with your rework!

   RE:RE:MISC:   Changing stay spacing for Sturmey hub ??? posted by Robert on 5/2/2001 at 5:43:21 AM
I guess "best" was a poor choice of words here. Thanks Randy, I will be using the method you described. It allows for individual adjustment of the stays which should be more precise.
Robert

   RE:MISC:   Changing stay spacing for Sturmey hub ??? posted by Albert on 5/3/2001 at 8:15:44 AM
I don't like the idea of bending the rear forks and stays. Often times I use an SA hub which I either found . with or fitted the longest of the three sizes of SA axels. The hub is then used with spacers to "pack' any remaining space. All that said, I just completed "roadsterizing" a Schwinn World Sport. I uses a shorter axel and compressed the rear forks and stays by drawing them in as I tighten the nuts. This does not make for the most pleasant wheel removal but overall it does make for an easy conversion. By-the-way, the Schwinn is a lovely machine. It is what should be offered by the manufacturers here in the U.S.

   RE:MISC:   Changing stay spacing for Sturmey hub ??? posted by Albert on 5/3/2001 at 8:16:18 AM
I don't like the idea of bending the rear forks and stays. Often times I use an SA hub which I either found . with or fitted the longest of the three sizes of SA axels. The hub is then used with spacers to "pack' any remaining space. All that said, I just completed "roadsterizing" a Schwinn World Sport. I uses a shorter axel and compressed the rear forks and stays by drawing them in as I tighten the nuts. This does not make for the most pleasant wheel removal but overall it does make for an easy conversion. By-the-way, the Schwinn is a lovely machine. It is what should be offered by the manufacturers here in the U.S.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Changing stay spacing for Sturmey hub ??? posted by Randy on 5/5/2001 at 8:56:42 AM
I'm leery of using a longer axle than absolutely necessary. S-A hubs have an inherent weakness--the axle key slot. The axle is hollow at that point, and slotted on both sides. The farther the mounting to the stays is from the axle bearings, the more bending stress is placed on the axle.

Hard pedaling only makes this worse. I bent a 6-1/4 axle on my DL-1 when I foolishly decided to ride up to the top of the levee from the ferry (on my favorite ride just northeast of town) instead of pushing the bike.

   RE:MISC:   Changing stay spacing for Sturmey hub ??? posted by Albert on 5/6/2001 at 11:57:54 AM
The easiest conversions are made bt using Shimano 3-speed. The lock-nut to lock-nut distance is very close to spacing found on most derailluer equiped cycles. Also, the problem of locating the larger size SA anti-rotation washers (which nearly always crack) will be avoided. The Shimano hub axel has a diameter which nicely matches the dropout slot. And, as I've often said the Shimano hubs DO NOT SLIP.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Changing stay spacing for Sturmey hub ??? posted by Randy on 5/6/2001 at 4:09:00 PM
Albert, with respect (though not a whole lot, due to your constant harping) maybe you can get Oldroads to start a Shimano advocte's group. To my knowledge, the number of English roadsters (please note the group title) that came with Shimano hubs can be counted on the fingers of one of my feet.

Your comments, accurate though they may be, are about as welcome here as flogging Yamaha V-twins in a Harley restoration discussion group. This is discussing *English* roadsters, thanks.

Oh, by the way, I'll give you $1000 for the first Shimano FW equivalent hub you care to sell me.


   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Changing stay spacing for Sturmey hub ??? posted by Albert on 5/7/2001 at 8:11:32 AM
Now, now Randy let us not be so testy. The advice was given to be helpful. And, the remark about Shimano hubs not slipping was repeated for fear the questioner might be new to the discussion area.






AGE / VALUE:   Swap Meet June 24, Boston, MA posted by: Joe on 4/30/2001 at 6:47:06 PM
Bicycle Swap meet, June 24, 2001. Under the Bridge, Boston, MA. Interstate 93 North or South. Approximately 1 mile North of Downtown Boston, Exit 28 Sullivan Square around the rotary "Under the Bridge" Rain or shine.. This show is free to everyone and vendors.. If you have any questions please email me.

Thank you.