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Archived: English Roadsters







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   South African Hercules posted by: Paul Aslanides on 6/30/2001 at 7:00:23 AM
We found this cycle waiting for the scrap metal collection. The head badge says 'Made in Springs, South Africa'. The wheel rim is stamped 'made in South Africa'. It's a real mess, this bike, unfortunately. Very dilapidated, front forks bent back, rear wheel missing, front wheel has 13 gauge spokes, cross two, and crossed at the valve, spokes
are Very loose. From the absence of witness marks on the frame tubes, I'd say that it was a single speed freewheel.
It has caliper brakes, and there is no evidence of it ever
having been fitted with a gear hub. My young son wants me to
rebuild it, but ........ no way is it worth the effort.


   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   South African Hercules posted by Paul Aslanides on 7/2/2001 at 5:59:40 AM
Very interesting. I've just found the model name on the top down tube of the Hercules. It's a "New Yorker", and gosh, it's a long way from home! The saddle is a 'Cycsad'. There is a lamp bracket on the Right hand front fork blade, but no marks anywhere to show where a dynamo was mounted.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   South African Hercules posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/2/2001 at 5:35:25 PM
The Raleigh badge is slightly smaller then the Nottingham ones.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   South African Hercules posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/30/2001 at 11:03:59 AM
I pulled a childs bike out of the trash and I was very glad to have it for the awesome badge alone. I think you should re build it too, so you are now outvoted! A three speed hub would have been considered a luxury.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   South African Hercules posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/30/2001 at 11:04:01 AM
I pulled a childs bike out of the trash and I was very glad to have it for the awesome badge alone. I think you should re build it too, so you are now outvoted! A three speed hub would have been considered a luxury.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   South African Hercules posted by Paul Aslanides on 6/30/2001 at 8:30:57 PM
Outvoted, huh? Okay, we just might rebuild it, but later on.
Other rebuilds have priority, so this one will have to wait.
Another recent find is a Raleigh 'Candy', a girl's bike
with 20 X 1 3/8 Whitewall tyres, freewheel, in good condition. Status: also waiting for attention.
Thankyou Christopher. Cheers.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   South African Hercules posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/1/2001 at 10:33:52 AM
African Raleigh had a "candy city bike" too. The name "candy" is applied to a 26 inch wheel bike also. I have catalog sheets from Raleigh Springs, South Africa that show these models.






MISC:   KANSAS CITY'S BICYCLE SWAP MEET posted by: Calvert Guthrie on 6/29/2001 at 8:31:31 PM
KANSAS CITY'S FIRST EVER (and ain't it about time!?!)
BICYCLE & SCOOTER SWAP MEET
SUNDAY, JULY 29TH, 2001 FROM DAWN until 3PM
The El Torreon (Cowtown) Ballroom
AT THE CORNER OF 31ST & GILLIHAM BOULEVARD
KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI

Easy to find. Aim your wheels for the red broadcasting tower atop Union Hill just south of downtown Kansas City and right up the hill from Crown Center. The tower is on 31st and the SWAP is only 4 blocks to the east.

Bring your bicycle booty, scooter loot, trading stock, schwagg, parts, pieces, odd bits, accessories, excessories, AND your want lists!

10 x 10 spaces will be ready for set up INSIDE the El Torreon facility. There is plenty of space inside but just in case the turnout exceeds our expectations, additional space will be available in the parking lot for the over flow.

The stage of the El Torreon has been reserved for displaying your best originals & restorations. Cash prizes are now being discussed.

A table will be dedicated to handouts for cycling advocacy, rides and other bicycle events. Petitions welcome, too.

The public is also welcome. If you've ever had an interest in bicycles or scooters, this is your best local opportunity to learn from the region's most
experienced restoration artists, mechanics, and cycling history buffs.

This meet is for Wheelmen, Veteran Cyclists, Vintage Racers, Scorchers, Cycletourists, Randonneurs, Retro-Grouches, Balloonatics, Krate Krappers, Mountain bikers, Commuters, Pubcrawlers.

You can expect to see the complete range bicycles and scooters.... Early/Vintage/Classic/Modern/Experimental.

Velocipedes, Boneshakers, Highwheelers, Safeties, Roadsters, Heavy service, Dispatch, Delivery, Military, Balloon, Lightweights, Racing, Audax, Krates & Twenty-Inchers, Recumbents, Cyclecross, Folding, Mountain, Hybrids, Moultons, Scooters, Mopeds, Cyclo-Rickshaws, HPV....Have we left anything out?

And get this.....the setup space is FREE!
One space per swapper
And every space is a great space.
NO CHARGE for Swappers.
NO CHARGE for Shoppers.
First come, first served
on the morning of the meet.
Come early and que up.
This swap meet begins at dawn.

For more information call:
Abe 816/853/8316
Buddy 816/322/6226
John 913/681/0774
Danny 816/942/4681
Steve 816/254/6714
Tom 913/362/3090
Calvert 816/363/4418

If you would like to be added
to the directory of those attending
(and those who think they might),
Send your name, address, phone#, email,
& specific interest to
Cycletruck@aol.com
A MellowVelo Production

Come into town a day early (7/28) for the Saturday night
River Market Cyclery Pub Crawl
7pm til Beer Bonk......
For nightcrawlers who value a good cruise between refreshments.......at about a dozen of Kansas City's most comfortable downtown pubs. Call Billy at the River Market Cyclery 816/842/2453 (315 East 3rd KCMO)
Take in some Kansas City Kultcha.







AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot posted by: Don on 6/29/2001 at 5:07:39 PM
I have acquired an old Peugeot touring bike and cleaned it up. It has a five speed Sturmey-Archer hub and a fairly light steel lugged frame. Since my love for bicycles far exceeds my knowledge I was wondering if anyone here could tell me how to determine the model and the year. I know that Peugeots are "the Schwinns of France" but I have a real thing for these french buggers. Thanks for your time.







WANTED:   28 inch rims needed posted by: Geoff on 6/28/2001 at 1:39:57 PM
I am in need of a pair of 28" rims for my '66 Dunelt DL-1 clone. Mine have been brazed up crudely, and the barze is beginning to fail. Plus it eats expensive brake pads. Does anyone have a pair of decent 28" rims (32 and 40 hole)? Used is fine, and with or without hubs is also okay. I'd prefer to re-use my original hubs for the date code and originality.
Thanks!
Geoff Rogers







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Attention, residents of college towns! posted by: Kevin C. on 6/27/2001 at 6:40:36 PM
Most big universities have a salvage outlet, and now is a great time to go there looking for bikes. In summer, grounds crews cut the locks on bicycles that students have left behind and take them to the salvage building, where they are sold, cheap. I got an English Carlton (Raleigh) road bike, with handmade frame, aluminum rims, etc., for $10.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Hats off to whomever went before me!  posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/5/2001 at 10:23:00 AM
This makes sense now that I think about it. Somebody did one very good job in removing every British 3 speed in this one college town. There were none left! Nowhere! I asked and the mechanic almost lept at me asking if I knew where some more were. This is a good plase to look if somebody hasen't already beaten you to it and picked the place clean. Still, if you make the effort you will be rewarded by the gods. Seeing a whole town full of nothing but crummy modern day Huffys made me very ill that day.






AGE / VALUE:   Value of early 70s Raleigh Sprite posted by: Debbie on 6/27/2001 at 5:13:39 AM
Early 1970s Raleigh Sprite 10-speed good condition - not
ridden for 15 years or more-clean. Any guesstimates? The
bike shop was only going to pay $50!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Value of early 70s Raleigh Sprite posted by Albert on 6/27/2001 at 3:54:06 PM
The Raleigh Sprite is one of my favorites. Today, I participated in a club ride using an elegant coffee brown machine. The Sprite series in the 27 inch-wheel form fitted with a three-speed hub is wonderful light roadster. Their conversion from derailleur to SA is rather simple as the dropout spacing nicely accepts the SA hub. I have converted three over the years; one stolen, one bent in a mishap, and now the coffeee brown. Debbie, why don't you use the bike rather than, as suggested by your question, sell? I am admittedly somewhat perplexed by those who see these quite usable but low value machines as rare and a means of making a great deal of money. A frequently seen entry on this page might read something like this:"Gee I just found this great old English bike, the badge reads Dunelt and the hub is stamped 63 6. What' this baby worth?" Well it is a great bike IF YOU USE IT and that type of worth is not counted in dollars.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Drake posted by: Owen on 6/26/2001 at 8:39:27 PM
Can anyone suggest where I can find information on the English/ Indian manufacturer "Drake"? I am trying to date a Drake roadster that I own.

Thanks in advance!


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Drake posted by Wings on 6/26/2001 at 11:06:48 PM
I had a Drake. It a women's bike, blue, pinched front fender like a Raleigh and it had a SA 3 speed. It was purchased by a member of my family in 1964 and I parted with it about 6 years ago. I have never seen another Drake.






AGE / VALUE:   Men's 26" Hercules posted by: Stingrayman on 6/26/2001 at 3:21:53 PM
I recently aquired an AMF brand Hercules bicycle. It is a three speed with a Sturmey-Archer three speed hub. The hub has 63 stamped into it. Does that mean anything? The bike is black with "Genuine English Lightweight" stamped into the top of the bottom bar near the fork. The headbadge has a large H on it and says Hercules. The paint on this bike is a strong 7 1/2 or an eight. Does anyone have any idea on AGE/Value?

I also aquired a purple AMF Nimble. It is a three speed but the hub isn't a Sturmey- Archer. Age? Value?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Men's 26 posted by Cal on 6/27/2001 at 5:42:32 AM
Value is tough to determine without pictures.
The 63 on the Sturmey-Archer hub indicates a 1963 build date. BUT - 1963 seems early for AMF Herclules. Are you sure it is an AMF Herc and not a straight Herc?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Men's 26 posted by Stingrayman on 6/27/2001 at 6:13:23 AM
Yes, I know its an AMF Hercules. It says AMF in large bold letters on the downtube that the seatpost sits into. It also says AMF before the word Hercules on the chaingaurd.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Men's 26 posted by Ed on 6/27/2001 at 7:20:28 AM
We have two 1963 complete Hercules and One 1963 that we use for parts.They all have AMF on the chainguards and seat tubes. Good Luck with yours.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Men's 26 posted by sam on 6/27/2001 at 10:44:08 AM
Not sure when AMF started selling Hercules,did find that Wards started selling Hercules bikes in 1950.Maybe someone knows more on AMF,I too would like to know?






FOR SALE:   NOS Perry Coaster Hub posted by: Jim on 6/26/2001 at 9:23:09 AM
New Old Stock, still in the box British made Perry Coaster hub. Photo can be seen on my Old Roads Reader's Web Page "Retrocycles" $30 + shipping.







AGE / VALUE:   Slippery pavement when wet?Sometimes yes and sometimes not too bad. posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/26/2001 at 7:13:03 AM
I took a nasty fall in the rain on this wet brick work that is all around the shops in this one neighboring town. I think it was a coating on the bricks themselves perhaps combined with my gumwall tires and the rain.I turned and down I went. Every time I pass this way, even in the car I shudder and remember that rainy day. Besides that and that crazy ill placed light pole with my name on it, everything is fine and I love to ride.


   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Slippery pavement when wet?Sometimes yes and sometimes not too bad. posted by Wings on 6/26/2001 at 11:18:35 PM
Christopher, I am not sure if the bricks you mentioned were on a street or on a sidewalk. I have had lots of experience with bricks in Kansas during my college days. But there is another caution about bricks on walks around stores. They can be coated with a variety of sealers and chemicals to add more life to the bricks color, shed moisture or actually make them so moisture will not pass through them and leave the white residue. Many of these products will cause bricks to be smoother and even slippery. There is even a red wax that is used with a buffer to enhance the red color of bricks -- this would be deadly to ride one. But these would only be on patios or walks where a special look is desired.
The word is CAUTION!
I always avoid the round iron manhole covers (Sewer) and other grates that eat tires. As a kid, I remember the manhole covers had raised bumps (1.5 inch squares) on them and I ran over one at high speed and ground off a good deal of skin all over the place! That memory has caused me to spot those grates in the distance and stay off them -- even though they have a smoother finish now.
Glad to hear you are still riding!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Slippery pavement when wet?Sometimes yes and sometimes not too bad. posted by sam on 6/26/2001 at 9:19:42 AM
Manny streets were once paved with brick,but as Chistopher pointed out they are dangerous when wet.This is a problem for historic neighborhoods everywhere.Most brick streets are now just small low trafic streets.Please use causion on this type of street.Hate to lose it or cause injury to anyone---sam(chairman of County historical commission)

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Slippery pavement when wet?Sometimes yes and sometimes not too bad. posted by Kevin C. on 6/26/2001 at 10:07:31 AM
Even worse: wet brick street with layer of wet leaves on top. Years ago, my Dad destroyed a beautiful Model A Ford Roadster when he slid on one.






AGE / VALUE:   J C Higgins 3 speed posted by: dave on 6/26/2001 at 6:20:45 AM
I picked up a J C Higgins 3 speed the other day. Womens frame, headbadge is the standard "Made in Austria -- J C Higgins -- Sears, Roebuck & Co"
Front hub says Styria, Made in Austria and has the 3 ^^^ peaks and what I take to be clouds above them.
Rear hub says J C Higgins 50320 and then a small "8" to the right of that.
Shifter is the cool disk with three holes labeled H, N, L and the trigger has a ball-bearing that pops into the hole as you shift.
Coolest thing is that the chainring spells out J C Higgins.

Is the rear hub just a SA in a J C Higgins shell? I would be interested in trading some of the parts (shifter, chainring, hub) for English 3 speed stuff,
or if someone is nearby (I'm in Madison WI) trading the bike.


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   J C Higgins 3 speed posted by Stingrayman on 6/27/2001 at 6:16:22 AM
Are men's three speed J.C. Higgins very valuable?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   J C Higgins 3 speed posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/26/2001 at 6:42:29 AM
Yes, it is just a plain old basic Sturmey- Archer A.W.hub in a J.C. Higgans labeled shell.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Whitworth Crescent posted by: Neil Thursby on 6/26/2001 at 1:10:50 AM
Hi,
Is anyone interested in purchasing a pre-war Rudge Whitworth Crescent? I have one for sale which needs restoration, but basically seems sound.

Also, if anyone has any info on the history of this model I'd be very interested.

Thanks in advance,

Neil.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Whitworth Crescent posted by Ed on 6/26/2001 at 5:10:54 AM
Lots of history and some good pictures on Cycle de Oro. You didn't mention a price and it would be nice to see some pictures. Your bike sounds quite interesting. Good luck with it.






AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Cotterless Crank posted by: Norman F. Birnberg on 6/25/2001 at 11:20:33 PM
This is relatively short and straightforward. I'd like to replace the Raleigh cottered crank on my Raleigh Twenty folder with a cotterless one. In particular, I have in mind a 165 mm length one for fixed gear riding. Has any one had any luck in installing a cotterless crank with the Raleigh 26 TPI bottom bracket? Thanks.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Cotterless Crank posted by l on 7/3/2001 at 9:07:32 PM
SR Apex-5 (say Raliegh)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Cotterless Crank posted by ChristopherRobin on 6/26/2001 at 6:48:22 AM
Have you read thru Sheldon Brown's "Raleigh Twenty page?"
(at http://www. Sheldonbrown.com) Poke about a bit and find it.






AGE / VALUE:   Phillips posted by: LaDon on 6/25/2001 at 8:40:43 PM
I am needing help with the age and value of a bicycle recently aquired at an auction. It is a Phillips 28" men's bike, serial # 6119KS. It is blue with minimal rust, no dents, chrome is in excellant condition. It has badges on both the front and back with "Phillips Reknown the World Over Birmningham England" on them. It has the same logo decals on each fork.It is equipped with a rack, bell (stamped Phillips), working front and back lights (stamped Sturmey Archer), locking front wheel with key, the pedals are both stamped Phillips, It has an enclosed chain guard with a sliding door on the crank, the seat is embossed with the Phillips logo with a swirl & a sword through it, on the seat stem it says tempered steel, it has rod brakes, the shifter says 3 speed England CB Patent #498820 and under that it says #649009, the front hub has Made in England Patent #698124, the rear hub has Sturney Archer England AG-6C Dino 3 it is a generator hub. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips posted by Ben on 6/26/2001 at 6:59:46 AM
I would give you $400 today for it, sounds like a wonderful replacement for my stolen Humber.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/26/2001 at 12:53:22 PM
A swirl and a sword thru it? The seat has detail beyond the logo? Never seen or heard of this until now. This is a good find.
Phillips was a fairly large company and a thorn in Raleigh's side until Raleigh merged with it. Then Phillips machines became nameplates on Raleigh's Yours sounds like a real Phillips before the takeover. Phillips had like 3 or 4 factories making a wide variety of cycles and parts. Today Raleigh owns the name and some Indian or African companies make 28 inch Roadsters with the Phillips type brake linkage parts and perhaps they are even badged up as Phillips. Some of these names)BSA, Phillips, Raleigh?) are in use today in Africa. Have you seen the Raleigh, Rudge Humber diagrams here? Very similar.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh hub noise posted by: Andrew on 6/25/2001 at 5:50:52 PM
I recently purchased a 1974 Raleigh tourist in mint condition from the original owner that had only been ridden twice. The hub does make a slight grinding noise when coasting, shifting is fine - it has plenty of oil, what could be making this sound? Andrew


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh hub noise posted by mike on 6/27/2001 at 2:30:39 PM
You might try backing both hub nuts off a quarter turn. They may be too tight.