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Archived: English Roadsters







AGE / VALUE:   Women's 3 speed Dunelt posted by: April on 6/5/2001 at 10:33:56 PM
My husband bought me this bike for $15 dollars at a antique store, and I know nothing about it. We think it's a 1965 model. It had a front and brake light run by a genny. and a rack/child seat on it (folds up and down). Any help would be great.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Women's 3 speed Dunelt posted by GL on 6/9/2001 at 12:57:17 PM
Help with what? Sounds like you are doing all right. If you do not know how to service it there must be an old grey haired bike mechanic at a local shop who can put it back in commission for you.Wipe the grease off the rear hub, in between the spokes. There should be a date along side the Sturmey Archer trademark. 4 65 means April 1965 and so on. A better description would give color, model name, serial number, and any other details you can see. Dunelt was once a separate English make but was taken over by Raleigh. Yours is probably a Raleigh product. Sound like a neat old bike and a bargain at $15 but not of any great value, maybe $100 to $200 tops in perfect shape.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Raise the dead! posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/12/2001 at 8:08:32 AM
It is interesting to learn that Dunelt was once a seperate English bicycle company. Very little is known about it right now, I think we have only run across one other person who has an origonal one.
The huge Raleigh whale has swallowed up lot of companies and names and then Raleigh retired the names and nothing is ever seen again of them. I saw recently in a cycling magazine that Raleigh is using the Phillips name with the Raleigh/Phillips 20 (tig welded) shopper type bike.It has 20 X 1.75 tires. But this is an exception as mostly there is no mention of all the diffrent captive brands that Raleigh must still own.
One day, I would love to see some small independent framebuilder pry a name like Rudge (or something) away from Raleigh and make them again in small numbers.It would be great to see some of this re-born. Harley, Indian, Triumph and some other motorcycle companies have been reborn but to do this with an old bicycle marquee would be a diffrent story. I keep wishing to see this one day.

   RE:Dunelt history posted by Geoff Rogers on 6/12/2001 at 7:17:36 PM
It would indeed be interesting to learn some of Dunelt's history. I own five of the bloody things at present: a prewar 24"-wheel boy's bike with rod and coaster brakes, very original with cobalt blue paint and neat decals; a 1960 lady's model in original purple; a 1965 lady's model, black; a 1967 men's in turquoise; and a 1965 men's bike frame machine with 28" wheels and rod brakes (basically a DL-1 clone, but with prewar-style swept back handlebars and chrome fenders, of all things; I have met three other people with identical bikes, so it's not a cob job), which I ride pretty much daily. The big one is the bee's knees to ride. It's regal, but quite practical for daily use.
The older ones were definitely made by Phillips/TI. they have numerous components stamped "PHILLIPS", and were made in Birmingham. When TI and Raleigh merged (1960, wasn't it, Christopher?), they--and all other Phillips type bikes--became essentially Raleighs, with all Raleigh components and built in Nottingham by Raleigh.
But was Dunelt a separate, independent firm before Phillips/TI?
Somebody ought to write a book on this stuff, if only there were a way to research it. You know: history, serial numbers, etc. for the lesser-known bikes (i.e., not Raleighs, much as I love Raleighs!).
But I ramble.
Keep those old Brits alive!






AGE / VALUE:   AXLE for Raleigh Twenty posted by: Dorian Smith on 6/5/2001 at 2:12:22 PM
A week ago several people on this site recommended lighter wheels for my Raleigh Twenty (foldable) to replace the heavy steel wheels. I bought a discounted ($10) alloy front BMX wheel in a local bike shop. But when I took it hope the axle on the new wheel wouldn't fit the forks. Also I believe the forks are about a half-inch too narrow.

Any suggestions? What type of wheel (with hub) should I order?

I'm considering replacing the hub on the new wheel with the hub on the old wheel so I know it will fit.



   RE:AGE / VALUE:   AXLE for Raleigh Twenty posted by Wings on 6/7/2001 at 12:34:39 AM
1. If you could take the new wheel to the bike shop where you bought it along with the folder, it most likely will be an easy task for them to remove spacers on your new wheel. The alloy rim will give a better ride.
2. The front fork is very narrow and just gives clearance for a 1.75 tire. 3/16 inch on each side -- so the wheel must be running true to have such a close tolerance.
3. Brakes are not too good on my folder. What are your brakes like?






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bendix 3-spd coaster posted by: ken on 6/5/2001 at 1:04:36 PM
Sam L helped me identify this Bendix Torpedo hub as a circa 1960 3-spd. It was laced to a standard (EA3) 26 by 1 3/8 Araya rim, with a Schwinn Spitfire tire on it. What bike(s) might it have come from, and what did the cable linkage look like? Was this a good hub? Is the tire a red herring?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bendix 3-spd coaster posted by Albert on 6/5/2001 at 5:07:16 PM
Ken, Torpedo was a brand or model marketed by the German company of Fichtel and Sachs. They did market a three-speed "Torpedo". I am not aware of any 3-speed from Bendix---their offerings seem to have been several varieties of very interesting 2-speeds. Are you sure that yours does indeed have three speeds? The Bendix two-speeds can be identified by a colored band that circles the hub's shell; this band may be red or yellow. One color idenitifies a hub that has a direct and an overdrive while the other color identifies a hub that has direct and "undredrive". I this information is of some help-- I am by no means an expert on Sachs or Bendix and other responses may be more on target. Cheers.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bendix 3-spd coaster posted by sam on 6/5/2001 at 6:24:54 PM
Ken,your photo came through great.And yes this is a sachs 3-speed hub with bendix torpedo on the brake arm(first I've seen)The torpedo linkage was similar to S/A.both used the index change and finger changer but they will not interchange.The universal finger 3-speed changer of S/A might work but you'll need a sach's index chain(and I think they used more than one size)

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bendix 3-spd coaster posted by Clyde on 6/5/2001 at 9:09:13 PM
There's a Sachs Dreigang Torpedo with coaster brake on my Armstrong commuter, though it was not OEM. S-A trigger shifter does work, but the "small pull rod" (terminology in Sutherland's)is smaller diameter and different threading from S-A. I could never get the original Torpedo shifter to work right; it looked more like a Shimano. The hub has provided many trouble free miles, just a little cycle oil every so often thru the metal lubricator cap.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bendix 3-spd coaster posted by kath on 6/6/2001 at 8:01:45 AM
Is this the same thing as a Torpedo Boy hub?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bendix 3-spd coaster posted by Albert on 6/6/2001 at 8:20:12 AM
This identifies a one speed coaster brake hub usually found on children's cycles.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bendix 3-spd coaster posted by Wings on 6/7/2001 at 12:45:27 AM
Sutherland's Handbook of Coaster Brakes lists a Bendix Torpedo 3 speed as the same as a Sachs Torpedo 3 speed. Two models. Model 515 and Model H3111. Has an exploded diagram in the book.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bendix 3-spd coaster posted by Brian Hayes on 6/7/2001 at 2:46:50 PM
I have a 515 on an early 60's Mercier separable, small wheel bike. The original trigger was a bit fiddly to get working, and so I converted to the SA trigger, but had to adapt the toggle chain because the SA cable is larger and the threads on the ferrule are different. I accomplished this by driving out the pins on a SA toggle and the original Sachs toggle and substituting the SA chain end. Not too hard, but the chain barely fits in the axle. I've put about 100 miles on the setup so far and all is well...

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bendix 3-spd coaster posted by Albert on 6/8/2001 at 4:25:13 AM
Brian I have several of these Sachs hubs in my parts collection. I have never laced one into a wheel. Could you please share your experience with these hubs. Are they as sensitive to adjustment as SA? Will they tolerate cogs larger than 22-teeth?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bendix 3-spd coaster posted by ken on 6/8/2001 at 11:40:21 AM
You people are the greatest! Thanks to all for the help. Specifically: Wings- I will consult Sutherland's. Someday I'm going to own it... Albert- Does your collection include any spare Sachs index chains? Are there in fact different sizes? Brian- great idea! I've got the S-A parts... Clyde- from now on instead of 3-spd I will Dreigang be saying:)

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bendix 3-spd coaster posted by Brian Hayes on 6/8/2001 at 1:21:09 PM
I have only about 100 miles experience, but so far, it seems very similar to SA hubs. It's 3-planet design, but otherwise very similar to the SA coaster types. Adjustment does not seem to be troublesome at all, but I don't experience any with the SA hubs, either. Here's a website (in German) with some more info on this hub:
www.phiger.com/bernd/Fahrrad/515/index.html

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bendix 3-spd coaster posted by Albert on 6/9/2001 at 8:14:34 AM
Ken, I do have a Sachs rod/chain assemble in my collection. I would gladly send it to you; but, I fear that someday I might need it. Good luck.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bendix 3-spd coaster posted by Clyde on 6/12/2001 at 8:56:48 PM
There's a 3-speed Bendix Torpedo shifter on eBay - #1154741042. Seller has it listed as a "Tornedo".






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   taillight & bulbs for dynohub posted by: Matt Ryan on 6/5/2001 at 8:42:09 AM
Hi all- I am seeking bulbs for my dynohub powered Rudge head and taillight. I found Reflectalite in U.K., but am looking for someone in the states. Any leads?
It needs 6 volt .04 amp and .24 amp screw in base.
Also, if anyone knows where I could find a taillight housing, I'm looking.
Thanks for your help!
Matt Ryan


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   taillight & bulbs for dynohub posted by JohnM on 6/6/2001 at 11:58:40 AM
Matt, I've never been able to locate any sources on this side of the Atlantic. I guess generator lighting just isn't that common here. I think it's not so much that people don't like generators, it's more the fact that any bicycle lighting is uncommon here. I think it has to do with approaching bicycling as a sport, rather than as basic transportation. Plenty of people will tell you that riding at night is dangerous, but do they have lights on their bike? No, of course not. Sorry, I'm ranting here. But do give Reflectalite a try. They accept payment in US dollars and return ship by air; my experience has been the service is quicker than with some US mailorder. I notice that they now have a halogen bulb for dynohub systems.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   taillight & bulbs for dynohub posted by RM on 6/7/2001 at 5:10:01 AM
You bring up a good point:

"I think it has to do with approaching bicycling as a sport, rather than as basic transportation."

Somehow the general public has got to realize that cycling is a great form of exercise, entertainment AND transportation. Today in the US every person on a bicycle seems to be either:

1) Shaved-leg Spandex-covered showoffs riding 2 or 3 abreast on a busy road

2) Mud-covered mountain biker with acres of bruises and road rash

3) Suicidal bicycle messenger

When will the average person look at bicycles as good alternative transportation?

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   taillight & bulbs for dynohub posted by brooks on 6/7/2001 at 6:44:10 PM
I sent to Reflectalite for bulbs, and they arrived fast, intact and as ordered. They're a good outfit in my book. Did I mention I'm in the USA, so the parts coming fast from the UK is a good thing.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynohubs may come back... posted by jeff on 6/8/2001 at 6:01:12 AM
I saw a new Cannondale with a Shimano Nexus generator front hub. The hub has a 6V, 3W output and was hooked to a halogen headlight. It looked like a clean setup and the light was very bright. The bike was called an Adventure and may be one of the coolest commuter bikes out there.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynohubs may come back... posted by Bill Putnam on 6/8/2001 at 1:47:30 PM
Along with the Shimano Nexus hub generator, there are
several other manufacturers that are currently producing
hub generators, the nicest being the Schmidt SON
http://www.nabendynamo.de/ or http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/lightingsystems.htm
or http://www.audax.uk.net/lights/dyno.htm for discussion.

I have several SA Dynohubs on my family's bikes (the halogen
bulb from Reflectalite has made the SA much more useful
despite it's meager 1.8W output) and one UNION WING hub
generator (early version of the Schmidt). Although not
as powerful as some of the rechargable battery systems,
they work in a kinds of weather and temperatures, cold
temps. being a problem with battery systems.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake parts identification posted by: Peter on 6/4/2001 at 12:12:35 AM
I have a box full of spare parts for rod brakes, which I think may be Raleigh. Does anyone have a diagram of the various parts so that I can identify what I have got. Roadsters are not really my scene, and I am not sure what I am looking at, but don't want to discard anything that might be useful to someone.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake parts identification posted by kath on 6/5/2001 at 6:41:49 AM
Have a look at the exploded digrams in the picture database.






AGE / VALUE:   NOS RALIEGH'S and MOTOBECANE posted by: Joe on 6/3/2001 at 6:34:10 PM
Does anyone have an idea of the value of the follow bicycles all are NOS in the box.

NOS IN THE BOX.

Raliegh Inernational - Reynolds 531 double butted tubes, fork and stays. equipped with CAMPAGNOLO COMPONENTS.. and Weinmann 999 Centerpull quick release brakes possible colors would be Bronze or Green.

Raliegh Professional MKII- Reynolds 531 double butted tubes, fork and stays. equipped with CAMPAGNOLO COMPONENTS including brakes.

Also Super Course, Gran Prix Racer, Super Grand Prix

Motobecane Super Record and Record.

Please email me directly with questions.

Thank you


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOS RALIEGH'S and MOTOBECANE posted by Dale Oswald on 6/5/2001 at 7:42:33 AM
If they're REALLY "in the box", that is the original box, there should be a white paper label on one end identifying the International as a DL170 and the Pro as a DL180. The colors on the International are called Copper and Chartreuse (my personal favorite and the former color of my International).

The Pro and the International should be worth a good buck on the market. But if somebody wants a good, no-frills road bike with almost-racing geometry, go for the Grand Prix. I put 5K on one once and currently own one that I made into a hybrid (before such a thing was available). My brother is still taking his Grand Prix on week-long tours - not the ideal touring bike but until I can convince him to get a proper recumbent touring bike, it'll do...






AGE / VALUE:   Sturmey Archer dyno hubs and more posted by: Joe on 6/3/2001 at 6:16:43 PM
I have several Sturmey Archer Dyno hubs 1 Rear dated 12/52 two fronts 10/58 one with no mark. I also have Sturmey Archer 3 speed coaster brake hubs. Is anyone interested in Sturmey Archer 3 speed hubs. Please email me directly. I also have the thumb shifters to go with them all parts are used and priced to sell.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sturmey Archer dyno hubs and more posted by WT on 6/19/2001 at 5:22:55 PM
I am looking for a hub for my 69 Superbe. Mine lost the oil cap and is frozen. Any available?






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I HAVE THE MOST VALUABLE ENGLISH ROADSTER OF ALL - THE ENGLISH JEWEL posted by: Zachary Edwards Wilbury on 6/2/2001 at 12:11:46 PM
I have the world´s most valuable english roadster ever made, the ultra lightweight 1942 Humber Birmingham Jewel Deluxe Superbe (made specially for the sultan of Egypt to ride). It have 28 inches wheels front and rear, female (of course it is) frame, gold rod brakes, gold spokes and rims, gold Humber badge, chain cover made from extra quality steel, B72 saddle with gold pins all around, fork lock, luggager, six diamonds incrusted on frame (3 by side little sized). In the place of the painted yellow and red stripes, it has gold painted stripes all the frame and bike. It have 4-speed on hub (perfect!), whitewall tires and everything if isn´t gold bathed is chromed with extra-quality english chrome. It was flawless and I expose it on the Museu da Bicicleta (Bike Museum) at Rio de Janeiro city. This bike runs onlya a few kilometers in 59 years!!!. All original and full of features from Humber Bikes. This model, the Birmingham Deluxe Jewel Superbe is unique, there is no another bike like that on the world, it´s a custom bike. I want help, HOW MUCH VALUES THAT BIKE FOR SALE? HOW MUCH DOLLARS I CAN GET FOR IT IF I SALE?? IT´S THE MOST VALUABLE, BUT HOW MANY PEOPLES COULD OFFER FOR IT???

THANKS A LOT,

ZACHARY EDWARDS WILBURY
owner of Bicicletaria Inglesa Wilbury (Wilbury´s English Bike Shop)
RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I HAVE THE MOST VALUABLE ENGLISH ROADSTER OF ALL - THE ENGLISH JEWEL posted by Benedict Stanchfield on 6/2/2001 at 12:28:57 PM
I think US$ 25,000 is enough for it! This model is really real, the 1942 catalogue of Humber Bikes (Raleigh) mentionates it like the year gift for the egyptian. I have disposition of buy it of yours. I offer US$ 20,000 if you wish to sale...

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I HAVE THE MOST VALUABLE ENGLISH ROADSTER OF ALL - THE ENGLISH JEWEL posted by Richard Beckett from Peoria City on 6/2/2001 at 12:34:52 PM
Your Humber is too interesting, during WWII the Raleigh stop making bikes, I hear that a bike was made with a few operaries during the war time. The special catalogue of 1942 (war time extra catalogue), a friend of mine told me, mentionates it too. He, my friend, say that the bike and the catalogues are exceptional out-editions. The bike was given to the sultan for conquer his sympaty for permisses the passage of the commandant Sir Robert Waltham by egyptian lands (an pale commandant is right!). Too valuable, too lost in time...

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I HAVE THE MOST VALUABLE ENGLISH ROADSTER OF ALL - THE ENGLISH JEWEL posted by Jon on 6/2/2001 at 6:44:36 PM
How about uploading a picture to the bicycle database here on Oldroads.com. We'd love to see it.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I HAVE THE MOST VALUABLE ENGLISH ROADSTER OF ALL - THE ENGLISH JEWEL posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/3/2001 at 11:22:29 AM
Yes, Please upload a picture here so we can see it. I would love to hear the story about how you came to acquire this. It must have been an adventure for you.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I HAVE THE MOST VALUABLE ENGLISH ROADSTER OF ALL - THE ENGLISH JEWEL posted by Prince Albert on 6/7/2001 at 6:12:49 PM
No, I have the most valuable English Roadster of them all. It belonged to Queen Victoria. She traded the Brooks saddle for a banana seat.






MISC:   HELLO, ANYBODY COULD HELP ME? posted by: Sarah Stevanowich on 6/2/2001 at 12:07:01 PM
Hello, I have 17 years and I like too much of bikes. Well, I live in Brazil and I cannot purchase the VINTAGE BICYCLE PRICE GUIDE. I ask if, please, somebody could give me it free. I will be sincerely grateful.

my address if anybody could help me...THANKS A LOT!!!

SARAH STEVANOWICH
Rua Doutor Joao de Azevedo, 22
Bairro Morro Chic
CEP 37500-000
Itajubá, MG - BRAZIL







AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh tubing posted by: Bob on 6/2/2001 at 11:44:50 AM
Can anybody tell me what tubing material Raleigh used for its 1972 Superbes and 1974 Sports? On my '74 Sports, a partially missing decal on the seatpost advertises the bike's tubing material but not enough of the decal remains to decipher it. Also, was the B-72 Brooks leather saddle original equipment on both the Superbe and Sports models during the early and mid 1970s? Thanks in advance for the info.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh tubing posted by GL on 6/2/2001 at 4:44:28 PM
The sticker on the seatpost of my 1973 Superbe reads " Raleigh Industries High Carbon 20-30 Tubing". Don't know about the saddle. Mine is a plastic Brooks with no number visible. I think the older ones came with a leather saddle.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh tubing posted by Jon on 6/2/2001 at 6:52:24 PM
Working in a shop in the early seventies, I often exchanged the leather seat on the Sports for a vinyl "mattress saddle" at the customer's request. I believe the original may have been a Brooks B-22 or possibly B-66.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh tubing posted by Geoff Rogers on 6/2/2001 at 9:20:57 PM
I have a 1973 Raleigh catalog. It clearly shows the Superbe with a Brooks B-66 saddle and the Sports with a B-72. The LTD-3 came with a vinyl mattress saddle.
This is consistent with bikes I own or have studied: the Superbe usually had a fancier saddle with springs, while the Sports usually had the less springy B-72. The big DL-1s had a variety of saddlery, always leather, but sometimes B-72, sometimes B-66, sometimes even fancier.
Good luck!






AGE / VALUE:   Phillips (Girls Bicycle) posted by: Roy Bearce on 6/2/2001 at 11:22:42 AM
I have a 24" (1 3/8" tires) Phillips girls bicycle that I bought about 10 years ago at a garage sale. It's rear wheel is a "Renak" coaster brake and it has hand brakes. The hand brakes are rods and linkages. Any idea of age and value?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips (Girls Bicycle) posted by Paul Aslanides on 6/8/2001 at 6:08:41 AM
Can't help you with age/value, but just wanted to say that
the Renak was a very good hub. Roller Clutch, there were
oversize rollers one could fit if the old ones slipped with
age and wear. Of course the brake band will wear, just like
most any other coaster brake. One could try slipping in a
piece of shim, if ness. I think they were made under licence from Sachs. Cheers.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips (Girls Bicycle) posted by Paul Aslanides on 6/8/2001 at 6:09:26 AM
Can't help you with age/value, but just wanted to say that
the Renak was a very good hub. Roller Clutch, there were
oversize rollers one could fit if the old ones slipped with
age and wear. Of course the brake band will wear, just like
most any other coaster brake. One could try slipping in a
piece of shim, if ness. I think they were made under licence from Sachs. Cheers.






AGE / VALUE:   Radelli Westwood style rims posted by: ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 6/1/2001 at 2:16:28 PM
The Italians made rod brake bikes also! I snaped up some Radelli 26 X 1 1/2, 26 X 1 3/8 Westwood style rims that I will never use. Italian? I didn't know that!







AGE / VALUE:   Cable craziness posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/1/2001 at 2:11:50 PM
How many diffrent types/shapes of lead ends on cables did them make for various purposes? Derailur, Brake, gear cable, barrel, pear, pellet shapes? Round ball end?
I haven't seen it all yet, I know it!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cable craziness posted by Brian on 6/1/2001 at 8:28:14 PM
Not only were they made out of lead but I have some brass ones that were made to be soldered on as a repair item.






AGE / VALUE:   Leather saddles posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/1/2001 at 2:05:59 PM
This Brooks seat I have is like a B-72 only it has 2 small springs like the B-66 it is an older model I didn't have yet. I'll have to look it up. Collecting Brooks saddles is cool! However nothing beats finding French Ideale saddles even if I do not personally like them and find them too hard. A Brooks you keep and enjoy for years, a Ideale you get up on E- bay right quick!







FOR SALE:   Sturmey Archer 3 speed hubs posted by: Brian on 5/31/2001 at 8:04:23 PM
I have 2 new old stock Sturmey Archer hubs for sale. 1 '71 AW with extra sprocket riveted on for 3 wheeler - $25.00, 1 '70 AW $20.00 never used from old dealers inventory.