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Archived: English Roadsters







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   information? posted by: Dave on 8/19/2001 at 9:44:00 AM
I am looking for information on an older (post-wwII) Hurcules "Sports Model" 3 speed Bicycle. The bike is in original condition including the fenders, saddle, and tires.I wold appreciate any help in determining the model year and possible value, along with any other information regarding the history of the bike.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   information? posted by Ed on 8/20/2001 at 5:34:24 AM
The year of manufacture should be stamped on the three speed Sturmey Archer hub.If the bike still has the original rear wheel.As to value I own a 1963 and 1969 men's frame Hercules which I paid $ 40.00 each for I paid $10.00 for a 1968 Ladies frame Hercules which I use for parts. There is information on the history of Hercules On Cycle de Oro, under British Isles. Good luck with the bike.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   information? posted by sam on 8/20/2001 at 6:30:09 PM
Wards sold them right after the war.photos in the book Colectable Elgins,J.C.Higgins and Hawthorn






AGE / VALUE:   BSA posted by: Paul on 8/19/2001 at 7:56:51 AM
My apologies for having posted twice. The computer/connection is unusually slow tonight.







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   B.S.A. Three Speed Hub posted by: Paul Aslanides on 8/19/2001 at 7:27:04 AM
Would anyone have an information on how to dismantle and
service the BSA 3 speed gear hub? Or any directions to a suitable web site. I can see a lock ring tight against the sprocket, and assume it has a right-hand thread, maybe. So if I use a chain whip and a C spanner I may be able to get the sprocket off the driver, but the right hand cone is firm on the axle - it won't budge. So what to do? Thanks.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   B.S.A. Three Speed Hub posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/22/2001 at 12:39:46 PM
Service information for these is available on the web. I believe there is a link to a site that has B.S.A. information on Sheldon Brown's site if you look thru http://www.Sheldonbrown.com

Also Tony Hadland's website has this under "Cycle history" look about it, is there.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   B.S.A. Three Speed Hub posted by: Paul Aslanides on 8/19/2001 at 7:27:04 AM
Would anyone have an information on how to dismantle and
service the BSA 3 speed gear hub? Or any directions to a suitable web site. I can see a lock ring tight against the sprocket, and assume it has a right-hand thread, maybe. So if I use a chain whip and a C spanner I may be able to get the sprocket off the driver, but the right hand cone is firm on the axle - it won't budge. So what to do? Thanks.







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Interesting history of Royal Enfield posted by: GL on 8/17/2001 at 8:22:26 PM
Here are some interesting interviews with Royal Enfield employees of the 1940's through '60's. Mostly about the motorcycles but the occasional mention of bicycles. At least it proves RE bicycles were made by Royal Enfield in the same factory as the motorcycles.

Address: http://members.madasafish.com/'worche/enfield/index.html

There is a tilde before "worche"


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Interesting history of Royal Enfield posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/20/2001 at 1:37:42 PM
Will all the rest of you enjoy this a bit extra for me? I can't pull it up. My server won't find it.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Interesting history of Royal Enfield posted by Ed on 8/20/2001 at 3:31:44 PM
Christopher:I believe that you would enjoy reading the interviews. Try again and don't forget to use a tilde instead of the apostophy before"worche". Good Luck This time.






MISC:   Big show this weekend! posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 8/17/2001 at 6:37:38 AM
The 5th Annual Larz Anderson National Bike Show and Swap

Sunday August 19, 2001 on the grounds of the
Museum of Transportation
Larz Anderson Park
15 Newton St., Brookline, Mass 02446

Many English bikes and parts turn up at this show.

Click on the red notice above for information and directions.

Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles
http://OldRoads.com







WANTED:   bell posted by: Harry Sahu on 8/16/2001 at 5:36:46 PM
Is anyone out there has an English bell made by Lucas and is willing to sell it to me? I do not like to go on Ebay. The bell is 3 inches in diameter and was the regular ones used on Raleigh and sister bikes. Thank for a reply. Harry


   RE:WANTED:   bell posted by Jacob on 8/22/2001 at 3:54:40 AM
I love the rich ringing of the Lucas bell. I have one on my 1954 Superbe.
How much does they go for on Ebay? I know a (limited and pricey) source of NOS Lucas bells here in Denmark.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh serial numbers posted by: Andrew on 8/16/2001 at 4:47:47 AM
Does anyone know how to decipher serial #'s on Raliegh frames,(located on the upper seat tube), the # on my Tourist is ND5254257.







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1898 raleigh sport model posted by: Jay Butler on 8/15/2001 at 5:01:09 PM
I have a raleigh sport model that afer checking the serial# list was made in 1898. I got it from an old man from England who brought the bike to Canada in 1905 or 10. I received the bike after he died about 30yrs ago.The wheels, seat and brakes are not original. Any information about this bike, itsvalue and where I can get original parts to restore it whould be greatly appreciated.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1898 raleigh sport model posted by Warren on 8/16/2001 at 8:30:16 PM
Real valuable with original equipment...outa my league. If you're from Canada you could contact the Museum of Science of Technology in Ottawa. I don't know that you're going to find many people willing to part with components from that period. I do know some collectors here in Toronto who have some of that stuff. Contact me off-list if you wish.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1898 raleigh sport model posted by ChritopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/22/2001 at 12:44:02 PM
Please take a photo or two and send it in to Cycles De Oro and get these guys to put it on the web. Something this old is special and we rarely see these this old. Also there is a photo database here at OldRoads.com. E- mail VVVintage(folks here) and ask how you get a photo posted here. There are sources for internal hub gear parts I would hang it up and enjoy it, but you can ride it too.






AGE / VALUE:   Robin Hood touring bikes posted by: Mike on 8/15/2001 at 4:10:10 PM
Hello. I work for a non-profit organization that recently had two 1967 Raleigh Robin Hood English touring cycles donated to us. They are in really good condition with all original parts except one tire. We also received the original manuals. I was just wondering if these are of any interest to collectors or enthusiasts or have any special value? At least one has a light and the other was a wicker basket and both have bells. Any info would be greatly appreciated.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Robin Hood touring bikes posted by Warren on 8/16/2001 at 8:22:18 PM
I suspect these are "sport" bikes...3 speed Sturmey Archer gears...26 X 1 3/8 wheels...upright bars etc. In pristine condition they "might" realize $100 or more to the right buyer. People on this list would prefer to buy them cheaper then that at garage sales, thrift stores and local ads. However if they are true touring cycles, (regardless of what the literature says) they would have drop bars and rear racks and maybe a light set. In this case they would have much more value in my books.

More details are needed...Is your light set powered by a hub generator?

If you wanted to sell them you could post them here on the list or go through the "rigamorole" of selling on e-bay. (I don't think I've ever seen "rigamorole" in print before).

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Robin Hood touring bikes posted by Mike on 8/17/2001 at 10:14:43 AM
Thanks for the info. I believe you are right that they are the "sport" bikes because they do have the three speed Sturmey Archer gears and upright bars (if those are the kind that don't look like rams horns) but do not have any rear racks. They both have battery operated lights that say "Elite" on them. I'm guessing that's the manufacturer or the model. Again, thanks for the info.






AGE / VALUE:   Check it out! posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/15/2001 at 3:37:17 PM
E-bay item #1177295121 1957 Triumph (Raleigh) club 3 speed bike
A nice club bike on e- bay. Sheldon Brown mentions these on his web page. These had Blumels celuloyd or alloy mudguards, a "not so common" Sturmey- Archer rear hub (usually alloy) a G.B. alloy seat post, nice pedals, a B. H. alloy front hub,Raleigh's own stainless steel spokes, alloy kickstand, Dunlop special stainless steel lightweight rims (26 X 1 1/4) These are special and lightweight with 531 tubing and are a real treat to own and ride. The finish on these is extra nice. The cranks are a 3 bolt pattern, a special Raleigh crankset with fluted crankarms and exceptional chrome plating. I wonder how many diffrent versions of these club bikes Raleigh used? This one is badged up as a Triumph. No relation to seller, not my auction, if you have a question, like what model hub is in the rear wheel, then I would ask before the auction closes.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Check it out! posted by Norman F. Birnberg on 8/19/2001 at 1:16:34 AM
I looked it up. Its a very beautiful example of a Raleigh "club" bicycle of the kind Sheldon Brown discussed on his English Three Speeds page. The hub isn't a Sturmey Archer fixed gear but a rare SW wide ratio hub. This is one bike NOT to be upgraded. Look it even has the original NOS Dunlop tires the finest tires ever made and this one is a collectors item! Maybe Sheldon will snap it up for his fleet? Just kidding... :-)

Norman






AGE / VALUE:   Now that it's trashed, I'll call Chris posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/15/2001 at 2:56:33 PM
If I stop showing up early, I won't catch them removing things off the bike. This way I'll never know that it had a rack, bell, lightset, Lucas odometer. I'll believe that the rusted, pitted wheels with garbage tires were on the bike. I couldn't keep myself from asking "Good heavens Bob, What did you do to it? I spin the wheels, put my finger on the dents and run my finger past marred decals and I frown at him. This was a mint, smart looking bike when I let it go and now I barely recognze it.
I was told that other people were interested in it, if I didn't want it. I hate hearing that and I usually say "Let's call them then, you can use my phone!"I almost called that bluff but I love these bikes. I don't believe I broke anybodys heart over it. He hated the handlebar angle, and the rod brakes. I said "What'cha doing?" and "all or nothing" and that put him in a "nice mood" and he relented. Seller was a strange bird too.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Now that it's trashed, I'll call Chris posted by Ben on 8/16/2001 at 11:11:22 AM
What a fun post this is! Thanks, Chris...






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Phillips posted by: Eduardo Lourenço Pinto Jr on 8/15/2001 at 2:13:40 PM
I'm writing from Bauru - SP - Brazil. I'm starting to restore a - probably - 1950 decade female model from Phillips. General state: few rust, but seriously damaged rims. I have two new rims and in two or three months it will be allright. I need images of the original logomarks to plot. May someone help me?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Phillips posted by Steve Burris on 8/17/2001 at 5:53:00 PM
Eduardo, there are three pictures posted in the database of my girls Phillips. I beleive it is of the 50s even though the hub is dated 69 9,still researching. Maybe they can be of help.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Go Phillips! posted by: Esteban on 8/14/2001 at 10:42:53 AM
Nice to see all these Phillips posts. I have a 1936 Phillips City Model bicycle that I just finished complete dissassembly, cleaning, and reassembly (great way to procastinate for my dissertation). It is of course made in Birmingham, with a tiny decal on the seat tube (towards the top) of a bulldog and the words "British Tube Mills Limited." Here's some other info: rod brakes, 26" raised rims with black paint stripe down the middle; original red Dunlop tires that read "Lands End, John Bull, Keep Inflated Hard, Made in England, Liscense Strictly Limited." The bike has a 12 volt dynahub, an excellent two-tone red/black paint job, an AW-8 rear hub with the knob shifter on the main tube. A glass reflector graces the rear fender; almost all pieces are stampted "Phillips," including, of course, the crank. Lastly, the bike has rear wing-nuts, a nifty odometer (24,759, fyi), and a wierd mattress seat with three holes in the top.


   Go Phillips! CONTINUED posted by Esteban on 8/14/2001 at 11:03:43 AM
Whoops...my computer cut me off. Well, I posted a query for info about this bike when I first got it this last spring, and info is really hard to come by. ANY information about this bike? I've never seen one before. I'd love to hear more about this, or hear from other older Phillips owners/riders.
What they say about Birmingham Phillips' paint is true -- it is a remarkable finish -- a flat black that looks about new (few scratches). The bike clearly sat for a few decades, but the chrome cleaned up very well (VVVintage Mixture rules!). I planned to commute on it to my office, and during my first ride, the shift cable snapped (it was also painted black -- Dang!) Anyone know how to jimmy up a new one? I'm sure my local shop in So Cal will not carry one! it rides remarkable well in one speed, though. Sorry for the detail, but I've really enjoyed the detail on this old bike. I'm not interested in selling it. I am curious about how much this thing is worth. Any info on this great old bike or general Phillips fanfare would be great!






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A Lovely Phillips Roadster posted by: Ben on 8/14/2001 at 12:27:24 AM
I have recently purchased a beautiful Phillips rod-brake roadster. Is tehr a serial number archive? The hub says '59, but the bike seems older. did Dunlop make stainless 28" rims as late as '59? What are the other things I should be looking for?

Thanks in advance,

Ben "wading seriously into the English Roadster mystique" McCoy



   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A Lovely Phillips Roadster posted by Warren on 8/14/2001 at 6:31:30 PM
I'd really look closely before deciding that those rims are stainless. Dunlop rims had great chrome that was far more rugged and less "shiny" than the new stuff. They clean up beautifully and it takes a lot of abuse to make them rust. I'm sure they made them up to 1960. I've seen many single speed roadsters with Dunlop westwoods as the spec rim. The only stainless Dunlop rims I've heard of were the club rims in the 26 X 1 1/4 and maybe the 28 X 1 1/4 that predate the 60's and possibly the 50's.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A Lovely Phillips Roadster posted by Ben on 8/14/2001 at 8:22:11 PM
I will check, but the color of these rims is derfinitely stainless. I even checked the rub points for the brakes and it still cries out stainless. How do I make sure?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A Lovely Phillips Roadster posted by Ed on 8/14/2001 at 8:57:01 PM
I am told that there is no carbon in true stainless steel.Attach a magnet to the rim if there is no pull the rim is stainless. If the magnet attaches to the rim, then its made from carbon steel which I have heard referred to as stainless iron. The bike sounds great. Good luck with it.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: A Lovely Phillips Roadster posted by Warren on 8/15/2001 at 6:54:57 AM
One more thought...they could be nickel plated and date back to the 30's.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A Lovely Phillips Roadster posted by Ben on 8/15/2001 at 8:38:27 AM
Well, tried the magnet and it stuck, but it also does on our stainless cutlery...another thing, this is a Birmingham bike, and has a very nice metal badge on the rear fender where the decal usually is. But, not a glass reflector, or other things that could point to a much earlier bike. Any more thoughts on how I can chase this down? Also, where can I find new 28 x 1-1/2 tires?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A Lovely Phillips Roadster posted by Warren on 8/15/2001 at 3:28:00 PM
28 X 1 1/2 rims can accomodate two different size of tires. See if you can find the bead diameter on the old tires. If it is 622 mm then you can use any wide 700c tire...ie 700 X 38. The wider the better. If it is a 635 mm bead then you will need to special order them...I think Harris Cyclery can get them for you.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A Lovely Phillips Roadster posted by Ben on 8/16/2001 at 8:41:50 AM
Thanks everyone for all the input. The bike is truly wonderful. I rode it to a business meeting (20 miles round trip) yesterday and made my wife furious!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A Lovely Phillips Roadster posted by Ben on 8/17/2001 at 11:38:32 AM
I should add to that: my lovely spouse believes any bike trip has to take an hour longer...my trip was only 15 minutes more each way, and I never touched 3rd gear (who on earth was able to push a gear like that on a 40 lb roadster?).