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Archived: English Roadsters







FOR SALE:   Humber Dealers Sign posted by: P.C.Kohler on 11/12/2002 at 3:30:26 PM
For all you Humber devotees, this is LOVELY.. a bit beat up but still a nice dealers sign:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=734965416


   RE:FOR SALE:   Humber Dealers Sign posted by Jeff R on 11/12/2002 at 9:56:46 PM
Check out this Rudge sign. I would bid on it , but the cost of shipping is too high. HTTP://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?viewitem&item=733836950ebay.co.uk






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dull center Raleigh-pattern rims posted by: Brian on 11/12/2002 at 11:45:39 AM
Warren,

Yup, "dull" center section Raleigh pattern 26 X 1 3/8 rims. The rim has the normal chroming applied, except in the very center of the circumference of the rim. I would send a picture as an email attachment, but oldroads will not except that here for obvious reasons- if you have an email account you want me to send you a pix attachment of a section of the rim in discussion I will.







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dull center Raleigh-pattern rims posted by: Brian on 11/12/2002 at 11:45:39 AM
Warren,

Yup, "dull" center section Raleigh pattern 26 X 1 3/8 rims. The rim has the normal chroming applied, except in the very center of the circumference of the rim. I would send a picture as an email attachment, but oldroads would except that here for obvious reasons- if you have an email account you want me to send you a pix attachment of a section of the rim in discussion I will.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Dull center Raleigh-pattern rims posted by Warren on 11/12/2002 at 1:31:41 PM
I have 28" Dunlop roadster rims where the same centre strip is painted. I wonder if this is related to the 26" wheels. Maybe they left the bottom plate of nickel alone to help the paint adhere






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Nice British Bikes posted by: Tom on 11/12/2002 at 6:10:40 AM
I found this site when searching for British bikes. Great old British bikes here. http://genetics.mgh.harvard.edu/'hanczyc/toppage.html


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Nice British Bikes posted by Warren on 11/12/2002 at 1:24:55 PM
Martin, (who runs that site) used to make postings on this list. He has a magnificent collection.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Nice British Bikes posted by MartinH on 11/14/2002 at 10:27:01 PM
Thanks guys! I still drop by here from time to time. Time constraints keep me from being an active participant. I barely have time to update my site these days! However, I just added a nice WWII-era Raleigh in mostly period condition to my site. It even has ‘war grade’ tyres and tubes. Cheers!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Nice British Bikes posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/15/2002 at 2:27:36 AM
Martin-- that's a splendid Ladies Raleigh! And thanks for the super pix too; great close-ups of the original 12 v. dynohub and headlamp.

I've added a link to your site in "Roll Britannia".

P.C. Kohler






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Nice British Bikes posted by: Tom on 11/12/2002 at 6:10:40 AM
I found this site when searching for British bikes. Great old British bikes here. http://genetics.mgh.harvard.edu/'hanczyc/toppage.html







FOR SALE:   Raleigh grips on eBay posted by: Michael K on 11/12/2002 at 12:04:36 AM
Wasn't someone looking for the off-white torpedo grips?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=734248949

And this one is regular black, ribbed Raleigh grips--
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=734694345

Not my auctions...

Michael K, just looking out for my fellow riders


   RE:FOR SALE:   Raleigh grips on eBay posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/12/2002 at 1:12:35 AM
It's "that guy in Cyprus" again!

Thanks for the heads-up, Michael, I already grabbed a pair of his RARE NOS stone-coloured grips. He has put another one up I see. Not cheap but how many other gorgeous restorations have I seen missing these classic grips that were fitted to most Raleigh Industries machines c. 1946-1966. Essential. And very comfortable, attractive too.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:FOR SALE:   Raleigh grips on eBay posted by Ben on 11/12/2002 at 4:13:05 PM
P.C.,

My 1959 Phillips roadster has the black Dare grips. Do you know if this is correct or if the stone grips would've been more likely on it?

Ben

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Raleigh grips on eBay posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/12/2002 at 4:49:08 PM
Ah, Phillips is a different kettle of fish and alas, 'I can be of no assistance in this matter' (that great line in 'Remains of the Day'). I suspect the Dare grips are original. Does anyone out there have any Phillips catalogues of the era? Dare grips last forever so I reckon it's unlikely they were changed.

The stone coloured torpedo grips were standard to the Raleigh Industries products of the era 1946-1966 except for the Superbe and De Luxe models which had those crazy green-grey John Bull "Super Club" big squeshy grips. In 1966 Raleighs had stone-coloured versions of these or maybe Dare grips. By 1968 they were the standard black Dare grips. As late as 1992 I could still order NOS stone torpedo grips from Raleigh, Nottingham, for Ł1.80 a pair!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Raleigh grips on eBay posted by David Poston on 11/12/2002 at 6:27:30 PM
Are these stone-coloured grips more appropriate for roadsters (ala DL1, 28" wheels, etc.) than the black Dare grips, or were the torpedos used on Sports as well?

David

   RE:FOR SALE:   Raleigh grips on eBay posted by Ben on 11/12/2002 at 8:03:05 PM
Well, I bought a green Raleigh Sports new in college in 1974 and it had the Dare grips. Wish I still had that bike, was stolen six weeks after I got it.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Raleigh grips on eBay posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/12/2002 at 8:13:31 PM
David, these stone-coloured grips were used on everything Raleigh made during that time. Including RSWs. Oh, they also made pale cream-coloured ones too. I had them on my DL-1 until her stone grips were "appropriated" for my '51 Rudge. She'll never forgive me until the new ones arrive from Cyprus. Question: how did the entire Raleigh NOS consignment of the Free World wind up on an island in the Mediterranean? Or did Raleigh just have an aces salesman in Cyprus who sold every dealer way more parts than he could ever move?

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Raleigh grips on eBay posted by Chris on 11/12/2002 at 10:00:29 PM
This was a longtime and large market for Raleigh. You would have to e- mail the seller and ask the particulars how this stash survived.I'm interersted too.
Happy to see it all offered.

   Cyprus mystery posted by David Poston on 11/12/2002 at 10:21:12 PM
I've tried e-mailing this Cyprus fellow several times asking for more parts, but he doesn't seem to respond. He seems to prefer posting everything on e-bay. Little does he know that I'd buy him out, if the rest of you didn't get to him first.

I'm starting to think about a future 10-25 years from now, when no more NOS parts are left. I'm thinking I need to buy up these NOS parts now. 5 NOS Sturmey Archer triggers boxed? Who wouldn't buy these in a heartbeat?

I've found my cycle (i.e. the English 3-speed) I'll be riding for the next 60 years or so until I keel over; so I need to stock up on all these parts before it's too late.

David

   RE:Cyprus mystery posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/12/2002 at 10:34:00 PM
David, you're beginning to sound like those "survivalists" who live in bunkers in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan or something... surrounded by boxes of SA triggers, gear oil and John Bull brake pads. Me, I'm just going to move to Cyprus: it's cheap and sunny too.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:Cyprus mystery posted by David on 11/14/2002 at 8:51:20 PM
Try Theo (in Cyprus) at
cyord@cyord.com or vespa@cytanet.com.cy






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1937 Raleigh DL1 posted by: Tom on 11/11/2002 at 10:57:48 PM
Here is another ebay Raleigh DL1. This one is very nice. Also missing the pie plate on the chaincase. He also has a ladies 1970's model DL1. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1581884811







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   32H Raleigh Pattern Rim very good shape posted by: Brian on 11/11/2002 at 8:24:31 PM
I need to obtain a 32 hole Raleigh Pattern rim, 26 X 1 3/8, in really good shape-no rust, good chrome, etc. This is the type with rim with unchromed center section. Please email me if you have one for sale.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   32H Raleigh Pattern Rim very good shape posted by Warren on 11/12/2002 at 1:42:06 AM
What do you mean by unchromed centre section? I've never seen one partially chromed.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   FLAG HOLDERS posted by: JAMES T. SALZLEIN on 11/11/2002 at 7:00:07 PM
Hello Fellow Anglophiles,

Does any one know if British Roadsters or Sports models had been fitted with Flag holders? Can anyone advise on the availability? Where did they mount on the cycle?

Thank you.

Jim Salzlein
Cape May Courthouse, New Jersey


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   FLAG HOLDERS posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/11/2002 at 7:50:01 PM
Never seem 'em. I mean Britain is a country that seldom "waves the flag" like Americans do; you don't even see too many Union Flags flying at all except on certain occasions or holidays. And most certainly never from a bicycle. You'd be more likely to see manufacturer or cycle club penants but I've never seen any devices for this offered.

Better option: get yourself one of the wonderfully brash Union Flag motif cycling jerseys or the great St. George's Cross rugby shirt I bought in London.

P.C. Kohler, flag-flying on Armistice Day

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   FLAG HOLDERS posted by dafydd on 11/11/2002 at 8:27:02 PM
Peter Paine currently has Rudge and Phillips pennants on ebay.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   FLAG HOLDERS posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 11/11/2002 at 9:31:23 PM
I have a few pages for flags, mascots, and pennants and hardware in one of my books.
A popular British mascot was 'Old Nick' E- mail me for few pages if interested.
humberchristopher28@hotmail.com We do not see too many offered these days, but as the other dude pointed out, these do pop up on e- bay. They fell out of fashion and that really stinks because flags, and mascots are cool and lend a unique, bitchin-cool charm/ character to the bike.
I passed up on a whole box of pewter ornaments because they were of Canadian origin. I thought I did not want them if they were not for English bikes. The dude was going to give me the lot and I said "No thanks" Boy, was that stupid because my pal got them instead and he's made hundreds off that box of ornaments. The swap meet folks snapped them up in a frenzy. I was there, moaning and watching.
If it's free, take it and shut up, I tell myself.
'Old Nick' is a devil type character but there were others too. It's an neat part of these. I have seen long lighted poles that bob back and forth too. Pay attention to the "toys" or extras like this. I sold a bike and the first thing he did was to remove the areo mirrors with a screwdriver. They were rare and were soon nestled in the display cabinet. I asked a friend "Why did I let him have those?"
Come to think of it, we really don't see much mascots considering all of the kinds that were made. This type stuff breaks easily. To find mascots new in their cool little boxes was neat. He opens the box, rings me up and asked Where did you find these? Got any more? I have had a lot of fun with this stuff.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   FLAG HOLDERS posted by Jacob on 11/13/2002 at 1:05:55 PM
I have never seen or heard of flags on english bikes, but some years ago I had a large beautiful pheasant-feather raising from the frontfork on my Tourist de Luxe. It looked very cool (ugh!).

I have just tested a bike-trailer for transportation of kids(you see quite a few of these trailers here in bicyling Denmark), and this trailer have a high-mounted streamer (flag) so it is easier for people in cars to see it, but thats another story...

Be well, guys!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   FLAG HOLDERS posted by Pete on 11/13/2002 at 2:29:14 PM
Flags seem to have been quite popular in the UK as there always is a good Flags and Mascots section in most wholesale catalogs. They were mounted on the handlebars,or sometimes on the front fender. In a 1938 Brown brothers catalog ,it lists flags for various makes of cycle (20), football teams and Speedway clubs. There were also Union jacks and silk Coronation flags . Cheers Pete

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   FLAG HOLDERS posted by Michael on 11/15/2002 at 5:11:38 AM
Wow, Jacob with the trailer just reminded me of a VERY popular accessory in British Bike dominated 1970's New Zealand. It was a "Chopper Guard" (the Raleigh Chopper being THE bike which every kid aspired to own) and consisted of a fibre-glass pole clamped to the rear axle via steel bracket. This was topped off with a dayglo orange flag. I, being terminably broke, tried subbing the fi-glass pole with an old fishing rod taped to the sissy bar. The effect wasn't quite the same! I know this is more kids bikes than roadster, but a Chopper Guard would do nicely for any die hard flag wavers out there.






MISC:   Triumph Bicycle posted by: john McFarlane on 11/11/2002 at 1:52:55 PM
Searches with my usual resources, (Ebay and the WWW) turn up no information on "Triumph bicycles." I sell used bicycles and have come across my first Triumph. It's a men's, w/ a distinctive bend to the top-tube, coaster brake, 1 speed, Nottingham England, appears to be all-original, estimate from the 50's. A few words to direct me to some background and identity of this bicycle is appreciated.
Thanks,
John


   RE:MISC:   Triumph Bicycle posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 11/11/2002 at 9:54:44 PM
Triumph.
Coventry based maker of Motorcycles and bicycles. At one point the bicycle part was sold to Raleigh who used the name and stuck Triumph decals on the b- grade frame sets Raleigh made. Raleigh ended up selling Triumph, Phillips, Rudge, Humber and a lot of other names. Independent makers who were merged or bought up or driven into the wall by Raleigh.
Each bike had unique decals and head tube badges and different paint schemes (sometimes) unless it was a basic black bike.
If you typed in Triumph bicycles,You should have been directed to SheldonBrown.com where there is a huge website about British bicycles. All sorts of articles and information.
Basically this is a Raleigh with a Triumph name. Parts are Raleigh made, hubs are Sturmey-Archer. They sell all sorts of things you may need here at OldRoads.com. Cables, tires, handlebar grips, hub parts. Sheldon can supply many things also. A whole lot of smart folks here to help you with other questions. Don't let anybody tell you the bike is obsolete and that you cannot get parts.
There are books in the library about Triumph motorcycles and perhaps in these books you may even see a picture of a bicycle. Take a look at P.C. Kohler's Roll Britannia web site. Scroll down here to find it. Perhaps he's posted Triumph/ Raleigh catalogs. You should see Triumph bikes under e- bay's completed auctions. These bikes were offered in a beautiful gold paint scheme. This is called a city bike.
What color is this? mens or ladies? cable or rod brakes? bell? rear rack? what condition?
Disctintive bend in the top tube? we call that a hump back frame I think. 1950's were good. Good chrome. The one speed is a drawback. You could switch the rear wheel and have a three speed.Start collecting these! It's fun and you could go saving these from garbage skips and work with us to preserve a vanishing breed of bicycle.
The thrill of the hunt and you never know what you'll find. Perhaps something valuable. The $1000.00 bikes with 531 Reynolds tubing are out there!






AGE / VALUE:   Roadster Accessories posted by: Tim Powell on 11/11/2002 at 11:32:04 AM
Now this is something I definately want on my Roadster. I would not have any more trouble with stupid motorists!http://www.bulgier.net/pics/bike/CoolBikes/1896_army_bike.jpg


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Roadster Accessories posted by David Poston on 11/11/2002 at 6:01:36 PM
Tim,

Did they really charge the enemy lines atop an English roadster? Or was this for patrol duty? I take it that '96 means 1896. Just curious how they would use this machine gun on a bicycle.

David

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Roadster Accessories posted by Tim Powell on 11/12/2002 at 1:13:12 AM
My grandfather rode a bicycle during WW1 for a time early on before everything bogged down and he used to have his rifle straped on the side and his pack on a carrier at the front. I dont think anyone ever fought from the back of a cycle though.
Regards,

Tim

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Roadster Accessories posted by Oscar on 11/12/2002 at 5:48:06 AM
As kids, we used to joust with brooms and Schwinns.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Roadster Accessories posted by Jacob on 11/13/2002 at 1:14:17 PM
I have seen a picture (some 100 years old) of a man taking aim with his rifle while his is standing whith his Dursley-Pedersen between the legs. He used the handlebar to stabilize the gun. I'm not sure if this man was a soldier or a hunter (I dont think he was chasing cars!).

Jacob


   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Roadster Accessories posted by Tim Powell on 11/13/2002 at 2:27:14 PM
Up till last year the Swiss Army had a bicycle regiment. Most of their equipment was lightweight. They carried pistols and small automatic assualt rifles. A lot of the terrain in Switzerland is pretty flat in the valley bottoms ideal for bikes. I think it was disbanded due to cost not effectiveness. I saw pictures in the VCC magazine.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Roadster Accessories posted by Jacob on 11/14/2002 at 9:54:14 AM
Viet Cong relied on roadster-type bicycles for transportation of weapon and other supplies from Hanoi to South Viet Nam down the Ho Chi Minh trail. The US could bomb and bomb and bomb again, but there was always a way through for the flexible bikes.
Also the japanese used bikes in Southeastasia during WW II.
I have read (I don't know if it is true), that the japanese in some cases would take of the tires/tyres, so the noise would fool the enemy to think they were encountering heavy armour. Imagine the noise of maybe several hundreds bikes rolling on the rims!

But: Ride in peace!
Jacob

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Roadster Accessories posted by Michael. on 11/15/2002 at 7:08:33 AM
The British used BSA Paratroopers bikes in WWII. These were, I think, popular in the low countries after the war. Maybe popular is not the right word, it is just that there were huge numbers of them lying about after the rsumption of peace.
The Swiss converted quite recently from anchient roadsters to modern MTBs. According to my Swiss friend it was always a giggle to pass a bunch of soldiers pushing their Roadsters up alpine roads. Interesting to hear they've now disbanded completly.
I've heard that the Vietnamese exagerated the effectiveness of the bicycles on the HCM trail for propaganda purposes, but there is no doubt that the Japanese effectively incorperated the bicycle into their own plan for, modern, highly mobile, mechanized warfare.
The Dursley photo is, I think, a publicity shot used by Pederson when trying to win an Army contract; he was a brilliant publicist it seems.
Somewhere on the net I found an ad for a modern, MTB based paratroopers bike; was it by Montague? On reflection I can't be bothered looking. Im with Jacob...Ride in peace






MISC:   BOTTOM BRACKET AXLES posted by: Ian on 11/11/2002 at 8:32:03 AM
Hi, among the items I scored at the weekend close-down of a cycle shop were a large quantity of new bottom bracket axles. All are for cottered cranks, some appear to be British made, others are Japanese, although the owner says they were for British bikes. Many have a number stamped on them in addition to the part number on some of them. They have numbers such as 5, 16, 13 etc just one or two digits. I believe these refer to some sort of system that identifies them by width across the bearing surfaces and length of shaft on each side. Can anybody shed any light on this system or point me to a chart of dimensions? Also is there any way of knowing what axle fits what bike or does one have to take the old axle out and check the number or dimensions? I am happy to sell most of these for what they cost me, the equivalent of about US$3 each plus postage, but it would be easier if I knew what I have! Regards, Ian.


   RE:MISC:   BOTTOM BRACKET AXLES posted by Michael Toohey on 11/11/2002 at 9:29:59 AM
I used to work in an old fashioned bike shop which had at least one of every BB axle available in the country (same with sprockets, chainrings, seatposts etc; it was that kinda shop). The best source for untangling the convoluted parts numbering and dimension measuring system as applied to bicycles is definately Southerland's manual. I remember nice big charts and diagrams re. BB axles. That should be your first source of reference; damn expensive, but worth it. If you are on really good terms with the local bike shop they MIGHT let you look at their copy!

   RE:RE:MISC:   BOTTOM BRACKET AXLES posted by Ian on 11/12/2002 at 4:05:21 AM
Can you give me the exact name of the book, who it was written by and the publisher and date so I can try and find a copy on the used book market please Michael. Do you think Keith at C.T.C would have copies for sale? Thanks, Ian.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   BOTTOM BRACKET AXLES posted by Michael Toohey on 11/13/2002 at 2:17:50 PM
Sutherlands (I spelt it wrong first time round; some English teacher huh?) is an American company, Keith could definately get you a copy in NZ. I just got the net address from that great site...United bicycle institute. It is as follows:
http://www.sutherlandsbicycle.com/

Michael.

   RE:RE:MISC:   BOTTOM BRACKET AXLES posted by Chris on 11/14/2002 at 1:43:36 AM
After a little too much cold beer, he was telling me that I could see anything in the whole shop that I wanted to and that there was no great mystery with anything. If they reveal that the shop has a basement and he wants to show you his collection of old bikes. Just don't let the dude fall down the stairs.
Then he goes into this tirade about how all my stuff is junk. He kept saying that he was not going to tell me about this guy he knew that had a bunch of old stuff.He passed out at the top of the stairs and never did tell me. I had to drive him home, wife was furious, we got lost, we were late. You just have to loosen them up a bit, that's all. (grin) I'm just kidding!
Getting a look at the Sutherlands Book should not be THAT difficult!

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   BOTTOM BRACKET AXLES posted by michael. on 11/15/2002 at 7:35:36 AM
BTW, Ian, You write of Keith at CTC with great familiarity. Are you from NZ (in which case, have we met?) or do you know Keith and CTC through the old bike network? I hope the Sutherlands info is helpful. I have my own copy, but it is in Brisbane, Australia, and I'm in Nanchang, China, otherwise I'd write you the relevant info! How do we persuade Keith to get online?






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sport Full Chaincase posted by: Tom on 11/11/2002 at 4:18:44 AM
Someone give this bike a good home. Nice old Raleigh with fully enclosed chaincase.Not my auction.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sport Full Chaincase posted by Tom on 11/11/2002 at 4:20:40 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=732974599&rd=1

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sport Full Chaincase posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/11/2002 at 5:48:47 PM
Oh no, not another machine with the rear chaincase thingy and the "pie plate" chainwheel cover missing!!! If someone could find a source to manufacture these persistantly missing parts, they'd be blessed and rich. The Raleigh style chaincases for 26" wheel bikes always seem to be missing this rear part. Why? I mean it's held on by two good screws. There must be heaps of these in gutters or cycle shop floors or where?

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sport Full Chaincase posted by David Poston on 11/11/2002 at 6:03:51 PM
Peter,

I thought the same thing. At first I used to think these chaincases had the end "broken" off; then I figured out there was a piece there which was missing. This site actually sells a chaincase elbow, I believe they are called, if anyone is looking.

David

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sport Full Chaincase posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/11/2002 at 6:42:35 PM
"this site" (meaning Old Roads?) if so, I can't find it listed anywhere. And it needs to be Raleigh pattern gearcase for 26" wheel machines with BRAZED-ON backstays. This is completely different from the DL-1 style gearcases which are readily available from Cycles of Yesteryear.

But if Old Roads has these (which I somehow doubt), I'll send them an order for a gross!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sport Full Chaincase posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 11/11/2002 at 10:19:51 PM
Bottom bracket spindles:
Look for the Sir Walter Raleigh stamp on the thing. For the 28 inch wheel Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. The one is marked 08GCP.
For Raleigh Chopper it is marked 21 and the others fit other Raleigh bicycles. Original spindles fall into rare, sought after parts catagory.( I am jealous of you here) Of course Campagnolo marked parts too. If they are new, grab them all, sort them out later.
Now for converting a Raleigh bike over to cotterless and for an explanation of this see Sheldon Brown's very recent article at SheldonBrown.com
Raleigh bottombrackets in new shape are hard to find. Also. other makes such as Phillips, Brampton, (Chater-Lea is valuable stuff.) B.H.( British Hub) these botom bracket cups are really difficult to find. 26 T.P.I. Raleigh's own special thread size. Especially that fixed cup!
What old tools did you find? Any Harden hubs? Campagnolo headsets in boxes? The Campagnolo boxes in and of themselves are sought after. Just the boxes!
What is being thrown out? old catalogs? Promise me that small parts are not being tossed into another dumpster. Raleigh Chopper parts are jumping on e- bay.Signs, clocks, coffee cups, tools? spanners, taps? Extra long Sturmey-Archer indicator chains? any of those? Have you any idea how difficult it is to find these taps in the 26 T.P.I. size? They toss these taps in the dumpster! Those red Raleigh R nuts are like 25.00 a pair and up. I'm not kidding! How many drawers full of those did you find. They are not in that dumpster are they???
All this "obsolete" stuff, you want it all.
Many parts are interchangable with the Chopper too. Cables? paint in cans? That unfinished project? The waste is mind bending unless you are there to save it, it goes into landfil despite people around the planet wondering where they will find that part they need for their daily driver. New headsets are like $25.00 a set if they are not sold out. AW, I wish I was there. Sutherland's bicycle repair books can be seen at a bike shop but try the bigest, old library in your area in the cycling section. Sheldon has done a lot to help us make sense out of this bottombracket stuff.Good Luck!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sport Full Chaincase posted by Chris on 11/11/2002 at 10:26:31 PM
Well, the collision shop had a ton of spare tires there in this huge pile. All those customers driving home on freeways without the spare because it was not put back. Perhaps these chaincase elbows, and circular pie plates were like the spare tires on cars. They got left off. Look in the boxes under the benches at the bike shops. They won't even know what it goes to these days anyway. Pictures of these parts are here under Raleigh exploded diagrams.
Now if you go looking for old British bikes everyplace and you ask enough people you will find doner bikes that have the "bits"( As the British call spare parts) you seek.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sport Full Chaincase posted by Chris on 11/11/2002 at 10:31:16 PM
Print it out, take the picture to the bike shop. Ask them to hang the picture up at the shop. So the guys/gals can understand what in tarnation you are asking for.Maybe somebody will come back and ask "Is this what you are looking for?"
Folks are tossing these whole enclosed chaincase equiped bikes into the skips and here we sit discussing needing these parts.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   24 x 1 3/8" wheels posted by: Tom on 11/11/2002 at 3:59:27 AM
I found a front and rear wheelset 24 x 1 3/8" . The rims are 32/40 hole F3 rim. The hubs are rear Resillion coaster brake single speed and front made in England. The rims are very nice and tires are Firestone 500's almost new. I have no 24" bikes and have not seen a 24" British bike in a long time. I am guessing these would have been on a British bike. Has anyone got any idea what bike these would go on. These must be 1960's?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   24 x 1 3/8 posted by David on 11/11/2002 at 4:25:56 AM
This is still a common size in Japan.






AGE / VALUE:   rig posted by: sam on 11/11/2002 at 1:34:50 AM
Anyone have any info on how these Rigs would mount to the bike?http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=733848853 I like the way it's built but would like to know the mounting set up---sam


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   rig posted by Warren on 11/11/2002 at 2:24:41 AM
Motorcycle "hacks" usually have three mounting points...one is the axle in this case and the other two would be fore and aft frame points. Very difficult to master riding with a sidecar.
Very cool item.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   rig posted by sam on 11/11/2002 at 3:29:13 AM
If I'm guessing correctly the hole in the center bolts to the axel and the slots bolt to the rear stays the rig go on the left side.the rigs wheel would be a little behind the rear wheel and this rig leans.This would be very diferent from the harley rig I use to have.But this looks a lot simpler to build than the harley style of three point contact and the rig letting the bike lean would solve some problems too.As you might guess this is something I would like to build.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   rig posted by Stacey on 11/11/2002 at 3:14:07 PM
I have to agree with you Sam on how this mounts. Curious how this would handle with the rigs axle trailing like that. All m/c rigs I've seen the rigs axle leads the rear wheel by up to about 6 inches. Though I'm not convinced that this is a 'leaner'... double bolted where the frame mounts to the adapter plate and there's no provision for the third wheel to pivot either -- OR -- am I missing something. Would be so cool to go zooming down the street and 'fly the chair'.

I wax ruefully on the days when I'd terrorize the blue hairs in cages with my Beemer leaned left and the Ural fluttering in the breeze with my daughter out there giggling her head off "Do it again, do it again." Ah, those were the days!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   rig posted by sam on 11/11/2002 at 7:54:20 PM
A beemer and a ural,my hart be still! Mine was a 76 Harley 1200 with the harley rig.Only problem was the rig was designed for hard tail frames and adapted to the swing arm.made for some mussy rides.And Watson hacks did let the bike lean or wiggle might be a better word.Motorcycles have a motor to do the pulling but a bike rider wiggles the bike as we pedal so the pivot must allow for this.but this is sure different than the Flxie rigs.and I too wonder about the wheel placement.Though I might weld up a solid angle bar frame and try it on a 28"wheeled single speed I have . Should be simple---------right!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   rig posted by Stacey on 11/11/2002 at 11:46:57 PM
Anything is simple if you throw enough money at it! LOL I've often pondered of a hack'd bicycle, though the thought of designing room for the swath that your foot would cut as it travels through the arc seems daunting. Just an inch too close on the rear mount... OUCH! A battered and brusied archllies tendon.

You'd have liked my /6 Sam... Earles fork front end, twin disk brakes, 7 gallon fuel tank, it would cause epeleptic fits among the beemerphile purists. :-) Can send you a photo if you'd like.


The wiggle principle make sense now that you mention it, a much more pronounced pulse to the drive of a bicycle as compared to a more steady motor drive.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   rig posted by Warren on 11/12/2002 at 1:48:30 AM
You guys are killing me. Just got my wifes '72 R75/5 on the road this week. It compliments my '77 R60/7 nicely...no hack however. Stacey...do you still have those Earles forks?

Two wheels good...four wheels bad.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   rig posted by Stacey on 11/12/2002 at 10:53:44 AM
What a great pair of 'gummicuhs'(sp) Warren, love to see a 'family' photo. All things considered, don't you find the craftsmanship of the /5 at a higher level than that of the /7? I noticed a big drop off in finish quality going from my /5 to the /6, though nothing matches R90 performance!

Sadly no on the forks, Warren. They went the way of the rest of the rig... and about six others rides in my livery including my K100LT and RZ350 Yammie. More than children are hurt in a divorce :-(..

Maybe we should jump this over to the Motorized board! LOL