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Archived: English Roadsters







FOR SALE:   Nice Norman on eBay posted by: P.C. Kohler on 11/1/2002 at 4:41:37 AM
You gotta love eBay; all these wonderful cycles on offer and sometimes with super scans to boot.

Here's a rare one: a Norman, even if like the Phillips we've been chatting up, she's a late model: 1964. Gorgeous original condition. Nice write-up. Wonderful transfers.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=730515328&rd=1

P.C. Kohler


   RE:FOR SALE:   Nice Norman on eBay posted by Ed on 11/1/2002 at 5:08:26 AM
A real rare one and in quite good condition as well.I wish she was in the U.S.A. If she was I would have to have a go at trying to buy her.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Nice Norman on eBay posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 11/1/2002 at 4:21:00 PM
The only thing I like about this bike, is the red seal of quality decal/transfer.
The really cool Norman Warrior chainring is missing off this model, it was never fitted at factory to this one.
Clean and complete but basic and rather plain.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Nice Norman on eBay posted by Jeff R on 11/3/2002 at 3:50:53 PM
My 1954 Norman has the warrior chainring. It also has Phillips made forks, pedals, brakes,and levers. The chainguard is the old wide Phillips hocky stick style that covers the top half of the chainring. While it's not a full chaincase,it allowes you to see the warrior chainring and gives the bike an older look than the slim hocky stick chainguards.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Nice Norman on eBay posted by Jeff R on 11/3/2002 at 3:54:00 PM
My 1954 Norman has the warrior chainring. It also has Phillips made forks, pedals, brakes,and levers. The chainguard is the old wide Phillips hocky stick style that covers the top half of the chainring. While it's not a full chaincase,it allowes you to see the warrior chainring and gives the bike an older look than the slim hocky stick chainguards.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Nice Norman on eBay posted by Warren on 11/3/2002 at 4:49:56 AM
I have a much nicer Norman Roadster from the mid fifties. Double top tube, AB 3 speed hub with internal brakes, lugless frame design (great welds!) with a cool starburst paint around the headtube juncture. Funky swirled chainring...no warrior. It is badged as a McBride bike...a longtime retailer of bikes/motorcycles in Toronto. I took the bike into their store and they informed me they were Normans.

I had another Norman that didn't have the Warrior chainring either...too bad.

Anyone want a pic...lemme know






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Forever posted by: paul on 11/1/2002 at 1:01:42 AM
Some years ago in the Boston area, a local discount house had several Forever bicycles for sale. I bought one of the last ones. It was damaged and I got it for the price of two gumwall tires with tubes. The damage was quickly fixed by me. The stem wedge was stripped and the handle bar ass'y was loose. Mine is a 3 speed derailleur model. It had a thumb shifter which proved to be inadequate to the task, I replaced it with a stem shifter of Japanese manufacture. I had a mishap wherein I threw the chain into the rear wheel and damaged 10 spokes. LBS fixed it for a small sum and installed a much needed spoke protector. Before using the machine, I put lockwashers where needed. The chain was 2 links too long, now shifts smoother. Since these minor problems, I've had great luck with this bicycle, THOUGH IT DEFINITELY IS NOT A RALEIGH. I like the rod brakes and the raleigh pattern wheels. The paint and stripping along with graphics/ transfers are beautiful. The saddle was pretty but pretty horrible so I replaced it with a Brooks B72. So long for now! paul


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Forever posted by Ian on 11/1/2002 at 8:19:42 AM
Talking about Chinese bicycles in this and recent postings, some time ago I received an unsolicited email to my Hotmail address, probably as a result of entering the address on a site such as this, from the "Hangzhou Great Bicycle Co Ltd of China". The email was alink to their website http://64.4.30.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=CN&lah=a3e6e251a673dfc0a8a62c9627fe116f&lat=1036137154&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fgreat%2echinabicycleguide%2enet%2findex%2ephp page on the China Bicycle net which showed their "Heavy Duty 28" Roadster" complete with rod brakes and full chainguard. I am sure there must be millions of them out there if you want them! The question is why would you if you are collecting ENGLISH Roadsters? Regards, Ian.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wow-ser on ebay posted by: Brian on 10/31/2002 at 1:16:48 PM
There is a 21.5" 1964 Phillips in beautiful green on ebay, item # 729192877 I might jump, but I've got other projects- the price is going to be inflated for sure. Hope someone here can snag it. I have zero connection to seller, or it would be mine already!







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Chinese take on an English classic posted by: Michael K on 10/31/2002 at 12:03:55 AM
FYI, mainly for the curious...not my auction--

Chinese (not Taiwan, mainland) version of an English 3-Speed, called a Forever, rod brakes, fenders, Brooks-like saddle...looks brand new...
Hey, if you're gonna copy, copy the best, right?? Even the front fender has the little "tip" on it...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1576200235


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Chinese take on an English classic posted by Dash on 10/31/2002 at 4:05:54 AM
Wasn't there talk of importing a bunch of Forevers a couple years ago (I forget, wasn't Vin thinking about it, or Michael from Trophy in Philly?). I haven't been here in quite awhile, but I remember at that time, some Forever owners here were dismayed at how relatively easily their machines fell apart! But you can't deny it is handsome for that price.
Additionally, this seller (is this one of us?) has an incomparable '80ish 21in. DL-1...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1576098657

That's my size, and boy I want it! And boy, I'm in Philly! But seller will not accept a pick up.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Chinese take on an English classic posted by David on 10/31/2002 at 7:48:48 PM
At a flat $65 shipping, "too many bikes" won't do too badly.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Chinese take on an English classic posted by Dash on 10/31/2002 at 8:52:09 PM
Yep, that's "2much$", especially if I'm just down the street! Ahh, but I'm daydreaming of that impeccable machine...

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Chinese take on an English classic posted by Mucus on 11/1/2002 at 12:45:39 AM
Hey you mean to say that the jackass refuses to let someone pick it up??? Wass up with that? I should think a pick up would be way preferable over the ordeal of shipping. Do you think he simply wants to inflate the price? I ship these all over the country for $25 via UPS.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Chinese take on an English classic posted by Ed on 11/1/2002 at 5:22:04 AM
Shipping cost sounds way strong for anywhere in the lower forty-eight to me. If you really want it Dash why not try to talk to the guy. Maybe you and he can come up with something more reasonable. I've done this a time or two. Successfully at times,but not every time. Still no harm in trying. Good luck.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is the reason for.. posted by: Brian on 10/30/2002 at 11:19:30 PM
I know this is off subject, but can someone here explain what the big interest and high priced ebay interest is in those Raleigh Chopper's? To me they seem awful. I didn't want to post on the "musclebike-area" because those folks collect them and they are intitled to their hobby as we are to ours..but really, that whole Sting Ray/wheelie/chopper stuff is so..so ratfink wham-o-ish! I apologize to those who "get" what I don't. Just trying to understand that Chopper psyche!


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is the reason for.. posted by Stacey on 10/30/2002 at 11:49:03 PM
Well, Brian it's kind of like that old motorcycle saw.

If I have to explain, you'll never understand.
If you understand, I'll never have to explain.

I think the same holds true for any avocation, we do it because it's what we like... no more, no less. With bicycles I think it's something that touches a certain nostalgic or appreciative chord in the enthusiast. Personally, I'm a MOPAR freak and can't for the life of me see why anyone would own a Ford. LOL :-)

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is the reason for.. posted by David Poston on 10/30/2002 at 11:55:59 PM
I agree with Brian here. The Raleigh "Chopper" was a travesty in Raleigh's long lineage of roadster rule. An attempt to be modern and sporty in a childish manner, like the American bicycle market. Not a serious bicycle. It was introduced when Raleigh was already going downhill. I never understood why an ugly, plastic Chopper stickshift would sell for $50 on e-bay. I wouldn't take one for free. Just my thoughts, and I certainly don't mean anything against those who are Chopper nuts here. If a Chopper came my way, I'd hand it to them for free.

David

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is the reason for.. posted by Chris on 10/31/2002 at 2:05:10 AM
At the last Saline Ann Arbor swap meet in Michigan there were 1960's kids musclebikes everywhere!
Slick tires, cissy bars, all sorts of cool stuff. Bikes from my generation dominated the scene.
Now don't get me wrong here, there was a real decent selection of everything bicycle imaginable. Still a lot of balloon tire stuff as there always is. It's like somebody threw the musclebike switch on.
There were lots of vendors everywhere it was a wonderful day! This is like the largest bicycle swap meet in the country and to miss it is crazy! What I am trying to say here is these musclebikes are on the upswing I believe.
The mantle is being passed I think and what will be on stage will be the 60's and 70's things.
It is strange but wonderful. I sit and see a Chopper bike I picked up for 50.00 and sold for 200.00 go over four hundred and further up. I wish I kept more of the finds longer. A lot of longtime Sturmey Archer collectors sold their stuff and then they cannot believe what some things are going for.
Have fun, get some regular exercise and make a buck if you can!

Another thing, Raleigh was a large compettitor to Schwinn with most shops either selling Schwinn or Raleigh. Seldom did they sell both brands. The Chopper took Britain by storm and now when the kids are grown up and they have some sheckles in their pocket and thanks to the net they go looking to recapture that magical bike from childhood to visit it again and they don't want to be stoped from having it exactly as they remembered.So the prices get a bit high. It does not matter as long as the customer who unwraps the awaited for box is happy with the purchase and as long as there is no problem with payment or delivery time everybody is happy. We are talking about reconstructing something marvelous from somebody's childhood. A whole generation's wonderful toys/bicycles. It is just difrent from whatever you found wonderful in your time. Thats all.
However for the folks in the know it is painful to see because the magical things to come out of Raleigh and others before the Chopper were even far, far more marvelous and beautiful and special. Knowing it was already on the downswing is sickening because we know what all Raleigh and the others made and we love many things about it and so it hurts to see sloppy welds, or chrome that does not glisten in a blueish sheen. Thing is the younger generation only saw that particular model bike or really the line of bikes that were of that era. And to them, even though it is not a early 1950's Raleigh Record Ace, with all the wonderful things that type machine offered. Even though so many folks do not have memories of hosteling as youths it is what we know and what we loved at the time and many of us are re-discovering it.

Probably the real tragedy is that the bicycle became a toy and thus the way bicycling was though of and done changed. Away from Cycle-touring with the family all on bikes to a toyish bike in the garage. The tandeming with the family turned into a outing in the car. This was not good. The Chopper generation does not know cycling as their parents and grandparents knew it. Show them the pictures of the old bikes, the hostels, the club and club runs and club get togethers and they'll say Cool dad,or cool granddad! So yes, the Chopper generation is poorer because it changed. Unless they got back into cycling as a teenager onto some type of cycle that was not a toy but a real lightweight bike.
Mountain biking is great a whole new avenue for the bicycle.
So many Americans are overweight and one reason is that we got away from the bicycle.It was turned into a weekend toy for most of us and this is the outcome.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is the reason for.. posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/31/2002 at 3:36:26 AM
Hey, I'd be the last to denigrate anyone else's passions but yes this Chopper "thing" is a mystery to me. And it was when I was teenager when these ghastly things were just coming out. Me, I was the one saving money from my paper route to buy a B72 to replace the nasty mattress seat on my new Sprite 27! Choppers and Stingrays were just abortions then and now... but even Choppers had some measure of Raleigh quality to them.

And to think that the very first Choppers were proffered as Rudges... apparently Raleigh was unsure how they would be perceived so they marketed them under the soon to vanish and once coveted Rudge name!!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is the reason for.. posted by William on 10/31/2002 at 12:55:22 PM
Hi guys,
Well,sometimes we're just unable to see what other folks saw in the stuff they like.I know this pretty well.I have my Gazelle serviced by an old guy at his shop;his son,in his early 40's,also a bike mechanic,asked me what do I find fascinating with my piece of 'classic'.He said that he's afraid of them,he prefers fixing mountain-bikes or racers anytime,which are his specialty.He just can't understand why some guys would spend hundreds of dollars on an old thing.The thing is that 28" roadsters have given themselves a workhorse,tough-utility vehicle image here,mainly used by old timers for carrying loads on their XL sized rear carriers;how large? Some are even wider than the straight-back handlebars!! Well,because of this,many(not all,thank GOD) see it as a waste of money to fix up nicely an old roadster.They can't see the history behind them,their fine-made,fine and smooth handling,good workmanship details,and of course,the 'they don't make em' like they used to' issue.Some people just won't get it what we see in old Roadsters.

Well,I guess that's just the way the world is and what matters most is that we all have fun in the things we like,what others think are their own business.Just a short opinion from a guy.Bye and take care you all!! :D :D :D

William,MALAYSIA.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is the reason for.. posted by Ray on 10/31/2002 at 3:11:20 PM
You don't need a reason to like or collect anything you just do. As for the poor maligned Chopper. I collect almost anything bicycle. I have had several Choppers in the past and recently just sold my last. If any of you do not want your chopper stuff (plastic shifters and all) Just let me know. I will take it off your hands and pay the shipping costs to boot. Have you ever seen the 5 or better yet the really rare 10 speed Chopper. Very sought after and will bring more $ than any of the roadsters I have seen here so far, a lot more. Don't get me wrong, I love the roadsters including the 28 inch old internal three speed with another three cogs and benelux derailleur Raleigh I have. I have a few of these old gems also including a great girls bike with an unusual water tank, three speed cyclo derailleur system and a great skirt guard that would make you jealouse. I am slowly moving over to the lightweights in my collection so look for me post things on ebay from time to time as I have too many to keep right now.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is the reason for.. posted by Edward in Vancouver on 10/31/2002 at 3:44:29 PM
My two cents worth from a mountainbike saturated city: If it feels good, do it. A chopper is comparable to a Sting-ray or Orange-crate. As a nine year old, my biggest desire was to get one of those bikes, with the big stickshift mounted on the top tube and a metalic flake bannana seat. I ended up swapping the seat, sissy bars, and ape hangers from a friend's bike that suffered the indignity of being run over, on to my Sears boy's bike. My first conversion at 9 years. Dad didn't know what to say...

What can I say about choppers? They're worth money and sought after, people spend time restoring them, swapping parts, even a couple of websites in the U.K.. This whole scene sounds familiar, doesn't it?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is the reason for.. posted by sam on 10/31/2002 at 4:40:22 PM
Sting rays&chopper guys---well I love the passion they put into their bikes!It inspires me to do the same.---sam

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is the reason for.. posted by David on 11/1/2002 at 3:29:04 PM
Maybe I'm wrong here, but I don't see how the "chopper" enthusiasts can be enthusiastic chopper riders. These bikes are sized for kids; they were a corporate response to the 50s and early 60s practice of older kids improving the old 20" ballooner they had learned on by adding tall handlebars and raising the seat (so they could ride it at all) and using the bikes for reckless riding up and down stairs and so on. I think most of the roadster enthusiasts love to ride and are not so fixated on authenticity and collecting (why else the interest in "Forevers" e.g?)

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is the reason for.. posted by Pete on 11/1/2002 at 3:50:01 PM
Yes Choppers are rubbish,and badly designed to the point that they will easily break..... But on the other hand they at one point in time saved Raleigh when in the 1970s the cycle industry was dead. Also go to Covent Garden in London,
with 30 people on choppers (mad adults)and charge around all
the popular tourist traps, like Carnaby street,Buckingham Palace and Trafagar square etc and, if you like laughing, you will find the true value of these bikes. Rubbish yes, Fun YES!!

value of this bike

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is the reason for.. posted by Chris on 11/1/2002 at 4:24:11 PM
I'm an English Roadster fan that has been bitten by the Raleigh Chopper bug. I would not say Rubbish because compared to what has come after it the Chopper is pretty good.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is the reason for.. posted by Stacey on 11/1/2002 at 5:08:04 PM
Well here goes the opinionated old b!t(h shooting off her mouth again... But I find some of the posts in this thread utterly reprehensible. Just because you don't share a passion for the same type of bicycle as someone else gives you not the cause to refer to said bicycle as 'rubbish'.

Take a momment and turn this around. Someone on the 'Hi-Wheeler Board' poses the same question about the beloved English Roadster. Just how would you feel if some bozo called your beloved cookie cutter styled DL-1 rubbish? Not too good I'd wager.

The wonder of bicycles, just as with ice cream, there is a different flavor for everyone.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is the reason for.. posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/1/2002 at 8:37:00 PM
Good point-- but given the prices our kind of cycles are fetching nowadays, I pine for the day when three-speed roadsters were considered "rubbish" by many!

The old saying "One Man's Trash, is Another Man's Treasure" fits here... but Choppers ARE the dumbest looking things on two wheels. Especially in purple and when ridden by 50 plus year old wannabe Brady Bunch teenagers. Then again we can't all be Greg Brady can we?

Me, I just want to include the word "Chopper" in ANY cycle related listing on eBay. "Rod Brake Bicycle CHOPPER"...

P.C. Kohler






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sturmey Archer cables: history lesson needed posted by: David Poston on 10/30/2002 at 6:56:00 PM
Can someone outline a brief history of Sturmey Archer cables in terms of what colors were used when? Start around post-war era and go through the 1970s. My 55 Raleigh Sports has a smooth white cable, but I'm not sure if it's original.

Thanks,
David.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sturmey Archer cables: history lesson needed posted by Jeff R on 10/30/2002 at 8:12:47 PM
Check out Sheldon Brown's web page. http://sheldonbrown.com/raleigh.html There is a lot of info regarding date of manufacture and how the bike was equipped.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sturmey Archer cables: history lesson needed posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/30/2002 at 9:45:59 PM
Older cable housing/casing was a long curl of wire with 18 tiny bobbins whirrling around it wrapping the wire with cotton fabric threads and then the whole thing was overcoated with a waterproofing dressing. Then came the plastic rubberish coating over the long curl of wire. Later colors like from the 1960's-1980's was black, grey, white.
The Raleigh R.S.W. 16's (Raleigh's small wheel answer to the Moulton) had a diffrent cable casing and it was the older cotton wraped casing. It matched the bicycles frame paint colors with cable casing being in red, and green. Today modern replacement cable housing is smooth and white and black colored and it is icky compared to what came before it.

The Raleigh Sprite I picked up today has the original black ribbed casing for the brakes but the derailer casing is smooth and so it does not match. Bianchi had marvelous cable housing in their house color that marvelous Celeste blue. I have some of that and am a collector of cable housing as much as the whole bicycles.
I will replace the cables and insert the bare wire into the original housing as I hate the look of modern cable housing.






AGE / VALUE:   Wooden C.C.M. crate is now a sign! posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/30/2002 at 4:50:34 PM
I was throwing out some old homemade wooden drawers I brought home from a bike shop. I looked and noticed words burned or branded into the wood. I read it, and then I pulled apart the drawers and have re- assembled a old wooden crate section that is now a sign and it reads.
C.C.M. Worlds finest bicycles, Weston Ont,! and it has the names of other cities that had plants and depots for C.C.M.
When did C.C.M. stop using wooden crates to ship parts or cycles? They must have had a branding iron and been burning this logo/information into crates! It was very cool to find this. Anyway nothing was tossed out as I caught it in time!On the ends of the boxes were parts nailed on the ends so it told what part was in what box. Great idea!
Actually what possessed me, to want to throw those old wooded drawers away I don't know. I should have gotten the whole wooden cabinet but that would have been impossible to drag home. I had fun, but boy, the stuff I missed out on was unbelievable.
Pedal spindles, pedal spindle nuts and washers. Heavy old boxes full of parts.







AGE / VALUE:   Blind, silly squirrel stumbles upon gold! posted by: (grinning) Christopher on 10/30/2002 at 3:37:49 PM
1961 Lotus, Tri-ang toys, made in England, slot cars set, new in the box. Two large boxes of them! I sit utterly stunned.
Yes. It is very real and very mine. This is proof that even a blind and silly squirrel like myself will luck out if you just keep at it and do it consistently. I'm not all that smart or clever. I am just a hair above the average bear, just that I have the love of the hunt and dedication in me. Rather right place at the right time. I never cease to be amazed at what folks heave out.
Two seconds earlier, I bagged another Raleigh Sprite in green and this one is so nice I'll leave it intact.
This year I am really going to get smart and roll up my sleves and roll/wrestle in the mud with the best of them, new territory and take on the big guys! Im going to push myself and not look back.

Slot cars! You just don't see these anymore and some of these are valuable too.This is a good thing too after seeing those green line musclebike tires on e- bay go over $1,100.00 I needed this bit o luck! Read the musclebike post of mine!
Now off to go green line tire hunting! HA!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Blind, silly squirrel stumbles upon gold! posted by Chris on 10/30/2002 at 4:06:23 PM
I had grabed every tire in the place and we did a package deal and I went home. The next day,some other folks were there to go looking/rooting through and because I had just cleaned it all out they found nothing left and boy, were they unhappy! The prize also goes to the squirrel with the fastest feet.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Blind, silly squirrel stumbles upon gold! posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 11/1/2002 at 6:44:01 PM
It needs a transformer or a battery and so I wonder if a model train transformer will work.
I get to look this up on the net. Cool!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Tri-ang Toys is related to Lines Brothers toys! posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 11/1/2002 at 7:15:56 PM
Well here I go! I've opened the portal and am merrily skipping off into the...Tri-ang Society!
I still have those Lines Brothers wagon wheels and cab tiring marked Lines Brothers!
OOHH, LOOKS LIKE FUN!






MISC:   FULL CHAINGUARDS posted by: Ian on 10/30/2002 at 8:49:36 AM
Hi, This may well have been covered previously but I am posting just in case it helps some-one. I have been corresponding with Edward and by checking measurements we have established that what he calls the "pie-dish" section of a full chain guard (the round cover over the chain wheel) is the same diameter for both 26" and 28" chainguards. This does not mean that the whole chainguard is the same (does anybody know if they are?) but it does mean that the cover off either will help Edward out. That does not mean I am going to send him my one either, leastways not until I am really sure I have lost the rest of the cover in my house moving exercises! Cheers, Ian.


   RE:MISC:   FULL CHAINGUARDS posted by Mark R. on 10/30/2002 at 1:53:22 PM
The pie plate may indeed be the same, but the rest of the chaincase is longer, and differently shaped for the 28 in. models.(By the way, I recently found a brand new replacement chain case for my DL-1, and I am very happy with it.)

   RE:RE:MISC:   FULL CHAINGUARDS posted by Chris on 10/30/2002 at 4:01:31 PM
The circular disc or "pie plate" is interchangable between 26 and 28 inch wheel enclosed chainguards. Almost every time. I found that a Japaneese enclosed chainguard and the matching "pie plate" is fitting exactly in a Humber chaincase. It snapped in and is a perfect fit.
These even interchange between countries on occaision because these folks used the British patterns exactly or hardly modified and sometimes original British tooling is now in Taiwan or wherever and being used there.
Enclosed chaincases are out there. Soak rusted screws/ bolts in ammonia and a little wd40 and it will come out.
Ammonia on rusted parts, try it!

Drilling patterns drive me nuts. A 40 spoke hub and a 36 spoke rim. Aiieeehh! It won't work. I am hunting for a 36 spoke alloy SA hub shell.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Miller Dynamo posted by: Claudio on 10/30/2002 at 2:48:22 AM
Does anyone have a schematic diagram of the dynamo's assembly...would really appreciate it.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Miller Dynamo posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/30/2002 at 4:43:58 PM
Yes, I probably do. Miller, Miller, Miller.... Yes, I know I do. and bulb info and catalog sheets, color ads for Miller's stuff. Write ups, schematics, assorted tidbits of information. Last night I saw the article about the 15 year old Manchester school boy that invented the Lucas Stop light and then later on Lucas introduced the Lucas Stop light. One of these in the box was just sold by our pal, Hilary Stone on e- bay. Miller, Lucas info? yes.
Please e - mail a postal address to me and I'll drop this info in the mail to you. Free.
Now for new bulbs we have the awesome(drum roll please) Reflectalite company (and they be on the web too!) They offer Halogen bulbs in many cases. There have been pervious postings here about them here and they offer replacement bulbs for the Sturmey-Archer dynohubs. Halogen bulbs in your dynohub!
Old Miller lights! I love them!






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Free grey NOS ribbed cable housing.. posted by: Brian on 10/29/2002 at 11:41:38 PM
Just Kidding! Sorry! Now that I've got your attention-
thank you for the responses! I agree on the pics/advice on the pedals, but are those older solid-block pedals w/ the chrome trim, the Raleigh emblem in the center, and built-in reflectors ok too for my late 1950's cable-brake sport's?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Free grey NOS ribbed cable housing.. posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/30/2002 at 9:52:21 PM
Of course you could use them! Perfectly plausible scenerio: you have a 1955 Raleigh, ride the heck out of it, take it to your authorised Raleigh dealer c. 1970 to replace the pedals. They install official Raleigh replacement pedals: the ones with the Raleigh crest and the reflectors. Authentic! Heck, just finding these is difficult enough given the Chopper craze.

P.C. Kohler






AGE / VALUE:   ccm bicycles posted by: dan-o on 10/29/2002 at 5:36:24 PM
in searching for information on old ccm bicycles i was told that a man by the name of warren could answer some questions for me. i want to find resources for ccm bikes but am having a hard time. i would like to find some sort of book or catalog with info. maybe you could help.
ps i have an old tancem (63 i think) and a 28 inch rim one speed with a hump on the top tube. thanx


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   ccm bicycles posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/30/2002 at 4:50:16 PM
There have been a number of enthusiasts for C.C.M. bicycles poping up here over the years. Some of them are quite knowledgeable and dedicated. I would not be surprised to see a book out soon on that company. I wish I took better notes and so a group of C.C.M. folks could be assembled together.
Do a search here at length about C.C.M bicycles or just under C.C.M.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   ccm bicycles posted by Warren on 11/1/2002 at 3:32:50 AM
I replied to your hotmail account...






WANTED:   Information & looking for.. posted by: Brian on 10/29/2002 at 12:35:37 PM
I have a woman's 1959 Humber and a man's 1956 Rudge. These are the cable-brake Sports models. What are the correct type of pedals for these bikes? I'm really hoping to find the correct pedals, and am ready to buy. I've got the bikes 80% complete. What were the correct type handlebar grips?
These are not store and admire bikes - I ride them, in sun, mud, and rain. I would just like them to stay as true to their original build as reasonably possible. I do find that I might depart from stock setup on the Rudge taillight though. The headlight lamp is the correct silver teardrop body and works great, but the taillight is shot. I really like the metal-body S/A taillights from earlier? models. Anyone got a workable taillight for sale (correct or metal-boby) that would work with this lighting setup? I've seen several complete sets on ebay, but the price is too dear! and I onle need the taillight. Has anyone had the Raleigh-pattern rims cleaned up and rechromed? My rims have the "dull" center section which I guess is typical of these rims. Advice & information most welcome from all the knowledgable members of this discussion area. I did post on the sale/wanted area, but got no response.


   RE:WANTED:   Information & looking for.. posted by Edward in Vancouver on 10/29/2002 at 4:02:12 PM
There's a guy not too far from Vancouver who advertises on the "Resources" of this website, Bikes on Boundry, who did have N.O.S. S.A. tailights last time I saw him, I'll check again and ask for prices. In regards to re-chroming rims, it's expensive. Make sure you have a decent rim to start off with. The rims look great, the chroming is 3-step and very durable, and I paid $100. CDN ($64 US)for the rim. Inspite of the various acid baths and processing, any dirt/rust trapped in the hollow sections of the Raleigh rim will still present. This drove me nuts untill I figured how to get rid of it. What you do is inject a strong solution of Oxalic acid (a.k.a. wood bleach) with a syringe into the series of those little holes inside of the rim. Best to do this with the wheel mounted in a true-ing stand. Rotate the wheel, and within minutes all the rust is gone.

   RE:WANTED:   Information & looking for.. posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/29/2002 at 4:34:17 PM
The "correct" pedals for your machines would be the rebuildable kind (the ones with the dustcap that you are supposed to be able to remove-- well that's the theory, mine are impossible to take off!) with the replacable rubber blocks suitably stamped "Rudge" or "Humber".

Like you I RIDE my machines and use the original pedals. I guess they might wear out in 10 years but so what. Eventually I'd like to find someone who can make replacement rubber blocks. These type of pedals occasionally come up on eBay but can be costly.

Dulled centre section of rims-- hmmm, I thought these were only on the stainless steel rims not chrome. It's a neat feature I think.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Information & looking for.. posted by David Poston on 10/29/2002 at 6:28:23 PM
My 1955 Raleigh Sports also has the dull center section rims (is the center section an alloy) which are chrome, not stainless steel, and in great condition, too! It also has the alloy AW hub.

David

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Information & looking for.. posted by David Poston on 10/29/2002 at 6:28:35 PM
My 1955 Raleigh Sports also has the dull center section rims (is the center section an alloy?) which are chrome, not stainless steel, and in great condition, too! It also has the alloy AW hub.

David






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cotter Pin Removal Tool posted by: Tom on 10/29/2002 at 4:33:25 AM
A while back there was a posting for cotter pin removal tools. Well I got one today in the mail. I have been waiting for a week for it. I was hoping it works. It didn't take me long when I got home and went to the garage to find a bike to try it on. I have not seen one like it before so I had to figure how it works. Hey it works like nothing. Now I have to find an old rusty one that would take a hammer to loosen it. I try it on a few older ones but none are rusted in.
Now for the sad part for you guys. It is not a new one. This one may be 50 years old or more. It is made by a company called Multi. Made in Germany. It is a heavy steel maybe 7-8 lbs. Oak handles. Looks turn of the century. I also got a tool used for straightening bent pedals. I tried it on a pedal and it works. Also made by Multi. Oak handle. These are very hard to find. There should be someone out there who could make these in a more modern style. Not so heavy. I think it was cheap enough. Anyone else have one? Here is the one I got.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1867677378


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cotter Pin Removal Tool posted by Chris on 10/30/2002 at 10:12:05 PM
Old marvelous tools. People take pride in having them, collecting them and always I hear "They don't make that tool anymore, you cannot get them. They never can explain why not. I think a lot of the current tool companies are stupid in some of the ways the run things today.
I have on extremly rare occaision let go of this or that when I have found more than two sets. Their eyes light up, they ask "Where did you find that?" With eyes all smiles he was happy to have it and he thanked me profusly.
I have old cycle tools that I still don't know what they were used for or how they work. I sent a very old Magistroni tool to a pal as a gift and even he did not know how it worked.
What really bothers me is that old tools are sometimes an endangered species. They get thrown out by the new school crowd who have the new generation of cycle tools to work with.
I have pulled things out of dumpsters with the owners daughter or wife and she says with wrinkled nose "You can have it!"
"Get all this junk out of the building as it's being sold really soon' she says.
Somebody dies and it goes from a honoured place on a hook to rusting in landfil unless you are there to say "I'll take that" or "How much is that?"
Hard to say exactly, I have seen all sorts of fates befall old cycle tools. Other mechanics snap up tools that were left by a coworker but the old strange stuff still gets junked. I have come in off the street and managed to acquire old, rare, excellent quailty tools because nobody cares.
"That's all old junk, we need the space type- attitudes and I almost kill myself in hauling it away.
Today the dime a dozen- toss them all out in the dumpster Raleigh Spanner is getting 10.00 on e- bay! But it is really a spanner than a real cycle tool.
British Brit tool, Cyclo, Var, Eldi, all sorts of tools.
I showed an interest, asked, searched and searched. I'm surprised at what I have assembled so far.






AGE / VALUE:   Humber on E- bay posted by: Chris on 10/29/2002 at 2:01:05 AM
Item #1574807695 Rare 1955 Humber Vintage bicycle
Beautiful! with fork lock and rear brake hub.
Not my auction no relation to seller.
Very elegant ladies model bike