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Archived: English Roadsters







FOR SALE:   Rudge Sports 69 posted by: DBean on 1/22/2002 at 11:47:49 AM
Complete except for grips. Dynohub & SA lights (working). AW hub marked 69. B72 saddle, "hand" chainring, tires hold air, 21" mens frame. Frame is Raleigh-style, but is marked "Made in Republic of Ireland." Bike has spent some time outdoors unfortunately and is somewhat rusty. (I have seen garaged bikes worse, though) Located in Arlington, MA ("VVVintage!") I'd prefer not to ship, make me an offer.







AGE / VALUE:   "It's the economy" they couldn't survive any longer posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/21/2002 at 8:05:16 PM
Watch closely to see that the shop you have something dear to you at does not close up and vanish like a mirage.
I pulled it out in the nick of time and they already had a surprise for me. Severe, possibly deliberate frame damage! It's being straightened for 45.00. What fun!
It's more of a display piece anyways. But still. I just love it when people vanish and can't answer what happened.


   RE:AGE / VALUE: Never cease to be be amazed    posted by Christopher on 1/22/2002 at 3:40:57 PM
Where did you find that? Why did you sell him that? You didn't sell that to Chris, did you? The guy runs me down a bit before the other man says "This is Chris right here!" All of a sudden, he shuts up! I marvel at it all,and make a mental note and then shake it off. They seem angry as they ask these questions. To some extent, this is the driving force behind the hunt for me and it sweetens the prize all the more. Getting under the finish line first is even better when the other runners are idiots that need to be bested. First you have to endure, outlast, and know when to kick it into high gear,know how to endear needed help to your cause and then when the time is right, quickly and quietly make your move.
Then I get to clear away all the human sillyness and take it to bits and overhaul and reassemble and then, on a quiet summer morning I take it out all alone and enjoy the prize on the path around the lake. That's the best part.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Ben on 1/23/2002 at 5:21:40 PM
Chris,

I have the same exact disease as you except not in the advanced terminal stages.

Last bike I got was my Phillips roadster...It came one summer morning when I had a list of chores as long as a roadster wheelbase and when I got my hands on the box I looked at my wife and kids, and they had that "oh, no...here he goes again" look and of course I then spent the next two hours assembling and the rest of the day riding the lovely thing.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RALEIGH SPORTS PAINT INFO posted by: Dick on 1/21/2002 at 8:33:23 PM
Still looking for someone willing to share information regarding early 50's Raleigh Sports paint/striping scheme. I fear my original message may have been lost below those pertaining to biking and drinking.







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RALEIGH SPORTS PAINT INFO posted by: Dick on 1/21/2002 at 8:33:23 PM
Still looking for someone willing to share information regarding early 50's Raleigh Sports paint/striping scheme. I fear my original message may have been lost below those pertaining to biking and drinking.







AGE / VALUE:   HOPE--ladies rod brake posted by: karl on 1/20/2002 at 8:20:24 PM
Does anyone know anything about HOPE bicycles? It is a ladies bike, enclosed chain casw, single speed rod-brakes, attached bike lock that locks thru the rear spokes. 28"wheels. Any info would be appreciated. Thanx


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   HOPE--ladies rod brake posted by DBean on 1/21/2002 at 1:04:20 PM
If the bike is "new-ish," it's 3rd world from somewhere. HOPE brand suggests China; the Chinese seem to favor this kind of lofty sentimental name.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   HOPE--ladies rod brake posted by Edward in Vancouver on 1/21/2002 at 2:51:00 PM
Nope, Hope is Indian. Saw one in a Consignment store last year, very similiar to the discription above. Had "Hope" stamped on the pedals, leather seat. Nice pinstriping, but god, those lugs were rough! Nobody bothered to file them down. Everybody on this site tells me not to near the thing, so I won't.

Chinese companies usully pick "auspicious" names, Double Eagle, Double Hapiness, "Triple fortune," "888-Huat" etc.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   HOPE--ladies rod brake posted by Tim Powell on 1/22/2002 at 4:40:33 PM
I have read of a Hope Bicycle Works in the UK located somewhere near Birmingham in 1932. Details are scarce but the source was a contemporary publication so should be good.
How old is yours, it may be British?






AGE / VALUE:   "Don't you worry who owns it, It is definitly not for sale!" posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/20/2002 at 6:39:23 PM
Standing up on tippy toes I took a long look at a display bike in a country candy store. This was a ladies loop frame bike from perhaps 100 years ago. Wood rims and while I am not 8 feet tall and could not see the name badge it was stunning. The workmanship was exceptional. The bottom bracket cups were finely made(machined) I haven't seen this grade of precision on other bikes. Nickel plate can be lovely. Wooden rear fender with string skirt guard. Square seat post that goes into another fitting piece into the bike itself. Awesome tires, a unique inch pitch style chain, single speed rear hub. Leather wraped seat, A lot of folks would give a lot to be able to sit on that. I have never seen one like it at any show.







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   It's not about the Pint, er Bike posted by: Michael McGettigan on 1/20/2002 at 2:29:47 AM
Greetings: Michael McGettigan of Trophy Bikes here. Sorry that people got stirred up about biking and alcohol.
Know that I don't take the risks lightly. I have a nice crescent scar running along the left side of my nose. (drunk, age 21, post-frat party, slammed my Raleigh Record into a bench)

I've walked home leaning on my bike since, and take care to eat and not just drink.

The Bike and Pub Crawl is just part of the Great British Bike Weekend and drinking is just a small part of the pub crawl.

Many ride along and don't drink, and getting drunk is NOT the point.

Finally, here's hoping that this list will stay more civil in future.

By the by, the release for the GBBW contains this line: "...I hereby certify that I am an adult who will ride--and partake--within my limits.."

That said, I think many lives would be saved if people biked/walked home drunk (IF THEY CANNOT STAY SOBER) from their local pub nearby rather than driving home greater distances from bars. I do not condone operating any vehicle while intoxicated, of course.

cheers,
McG/Trophy Bikes, coordinators of the Great British Bike Weekend in Philadelphia, April 19-21, 2002.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   It's not about the Pint, er Bike posted by WArren on 1/20/2002 at 1:34:18 PM
Thanks for the clarification Michael...wish I lived near Philly so I could "partake" in the festivities. Maybe next year...

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   It's not about the Pint, er Bike posted by Christopher on 1/20/2002 at 6:34:40 PM
I have seen drunken people walking along the road and they get picked up. Alcohol has strange effects on people.Add this and it brings trouble, all sorts. Last thursday I saw two cops explain to this guy that he was drunk in public and he was yelling at the two cops. Yelling! You don't yell at no officer unless you aren't thinking right.One guy wandered into traffic when he almost got run over. Dark clothing tool, real smart!( I saved his neck, I was there, thank God!) A peace officer (cop) can take you to jail if they find you drunk in public. I don't care if you are walking, driving,riding, whatever. They are trained to spot someone who has been drinking, it's their job. Me,I barely notice, unless you're messed up good. An acquaintence of mine fell into the river while drunk and he nearly drowned. Somebody pulled him out, lucky for him! Fine way to leave the party, if he was sober, he might have met a friend. An officer can put the bike in the trunk of the patrol car and take you off to spend some time with all the other intoxicated folks they collect every night. Yea, police are collectors too!( Unfortunitly not the fun things) Think of all the fights where somebody has been drinking. Drunk folks who stop their cars in the middle of the blasted freeway wandering about stoned or whatever. This was the freeway! Scarry as heck. The posted speed is 65 and they are out walking zig zag!(So much for me keeping quiet on this subject!)






FOR SALE:   1960 Ladies Phillips nice bike posted by: Jim on 1/19/2002 at 10:18:28 PM
For sale 1960 ladies Phillips. Nice original bike. Great paint and decals. Pinstripping is about 80% with some missing on the front fender. Just needs a good bath and a little elbo grease. Good chrome. A little shine and this would make someone a very proud rider. Phillips in the chainring. $60 plus shipping. it can be seen at http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/phillips or email for photos







FOR SALE:   Parts and freewheel removers for sale all NOS posted by: Jim on 1/19/2002 at 2:50:48 AM
1. Three Shimano freewheel removers 333,UG,Dura Ace all new all genuine shimano $24 shipped
2. Set of 5 NOS freewheel removers Shimano FF,Atom, Normandy, Var 188(Moyne Regina), Var 186 (milremo, supremo, duban prior) $30 shipped
3. NOS Crown rear tail lights for generator set ups $16 shipped. I have about 10 of these
4. NOS Bluemels fender stay bolts 7 sets of four on original sales card. $28 shipped for entire card
5. NOS Bridgestone winter beenie hats. Great Yellow and red. Late 70's early 80's perfect for winter riding. $10 each or free with order of $30 or more(while supplies last, I have about a dozen of these)
6. NOS Box of Red Cat Eye Cloth handlebar tape. 16 count. $35 shipped
7. NOS Weinmann english style alloy levers. $20 pair shipped 4 available
8. Alot of various cables and repair parts.

Photos available just ask. Thanks







AGE / VALUE:   English Roadsters U.S. invasion posted by: Dan on 1/19/2002 at 12:53:40 AM
When did the insurgence of the English Roadster become apparent in the U.S.? Which American bicyle companies were the first to market this new styling to the consumer and what would be the earliest year's for "English Lightweights" sold by American brand's? I posted earlier that I have a Western Flyer "English lightweight" that was built by Raliegh I am told. It's S/A 3-speed rear hub is dated "63", so I'm guessing my Western Flyer is a 1963 model or there about. What make's a collectible lightweight of this era a collectible and are there any American brand's which meet this criteria, does my "63" Western Flyer have any collectiveness?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   English Roadsters U.S. invasion posted by Robert on 1/19/2002 at 4:26:00 PM
I know that Sears was selling roadsters with their J.C. Higgins badge in the early 60's and possibly late 50's.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   English Roadsters U.S. invasion posted by JimW. on 1/19/2002 at 8:46:07 PM
I got my first one in 1957, or so, in Kentucky. It was a Raleigh, in the "Blue Grass" livery of the Belknap Hardware company, in Louisville. This was a large distributor of tools and hardware to small local stores. Mine was a typical boy's roadster, in black, with cable brakes and a two-speed Sturmey hub (26X 1 3/8"). When I got mine, it was the only bike of its kind in my small town. Since this was in a rural area in a fairly provincial part of the country, I'm sure the "English Racers" had been around in more cosmopolitan areas since at least the early '50s.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   English Roadsters U.S. invasion posted by Roadsters on 1/19/2002 at 9:04:45 PM
Technically, "roaster" refers to a bicycle with 28 in. wheels and rod brakes. The Raleighs, and others with cable brakes like the "Sports" models, really aren't "roadsters" per se, although I figger' it's apples or oranges on this particular site. The "roadsters" had been around since at least the 40's in the US. And, of course in England there was a Raleigh very similar to our beloved DL-1 available since before 1910 or so. If you look at the old pictures of the Titanic in it's port, you'll notice nice OLD raleighs leaning against poles and fenses. That was in 1912.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   English Roadsters U.S. invasion posted by roaster? on 1/19/2002 at 9:07:01 PM
Of course I meant "roadster" in the last post :-)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   English Roadsters U.S. invasion posted by sam on 1/20/2002 at 2:34:11 AM
The english bikes were leaders in the bike world before 1900.Many bicycle builders built the frame and used British hardware on their bikes.After WW2 the English bike became popular as many GIs had used them overseas.Wards started importing Hercules in the late40s.






MISC:   Monson, Mass. show details please. posted by: Rudgematch on 1/18/2002 at 10:53:52 PM
Hi,

Will somebody provide details on the Monson MA swap? Thanks in advance!

Rudge


   RE:MISC:   Monson, Mass. show details please. posted by bikeyard@mindspring.com on 1/19/2002 at 2:44:48 AM
The show is Feb 17th. If you l00k down the listings you will find a complete listing with directions. Just in case you cannot find it here is Jim Huntington's phone numbers. He is the one that puts the show on. Day 413.283.4113 eve 413.267.5230 Spread the word

   RE:MISC:   Monson, Mass. show details please. posted by Rudgematch on 1/23/2002 at 6:40:47 PM
Thanks, Bikeyard Dawg!

I reposted it below and will spread the word amongst my friends.



Jim Huntington's Monson, Mass. Bike Show is Feb 17th at Memorial Hall.
located on Main Street in Monson.
Dealer space is $20. Dealer set-up is at 7:00 AM.
Show starts at 8:00 AM.

From points north, take Exit 8 off Mass Pike onto Rte. 32 south.
From points south, take 84 to Exit 70 Stafford Springs to Rte. 32 north.
Rt 32 turns into Main Street in Monson.
For further info or questions contact Jim Huntington at:
(413) 283-4113 days
(413) 267-5230 evenings






MISC:   Artistic Cranks posted by: Art on 1/18/2002 at 7:07:04 PM
I found a Norman bike ( # 1064505587) on e-bay with an unusual crank. The seller calls them Vikings, but I where the Normans Vikings? Anyway it made be think about all the cranks I'd seen that had images or words in them.

Raleigh The Heron
Hercules "H"
Hercules
Humber Dancing Nymphs
BSA BSA
Phillips Phillips
Hands (?)
Dayton Dayton
Schwinn AS
JCHiggins JCHiggins
Triumph Triumph

What else?
Art


   RE:MISC:   Artistic Cranks posted by Jeff R on 1/20/2002 at 5:25:58 PM
I have a 54 Norman with the same chainwheel. The detailing in the vikings armor is highlighted in black. It looks nice when its shined up. I belive the Norman is a Phillips made bike. The brakes appear to be Phillips as does the front forks and the location of where the fender stay is located above the rear axel. The seat is a Wrights and it has the thick style Phillips hocky stick chainguard.

   RE:MISC:   Artistic Cranks posted by Jeff R on 1/20/2002 at 5:28:49 PM
I have a 54 Norman with the same chainwheel. The detailing in the vikings armor is highlighted in black. It looks nice when its shined up. I belive the Norman is a Phillips made bike. The brakes appear to be Phillips as does the front forks and the location of where the fender stay is located above the rear axel. The seat is a Wrights and it has the thick style Phillips hocky stick chainguard.

   Hands posted by Ray on 1/18/2002 at 8:26:09 PM
The hands chain ring is a Rudge.

   RE:MISC:   Artistic Cranks posted by Tom on 1/18/2002 at 8:45:33 PM
Art It's Tom in freezing Winnipeg last night at -36c. How about this crank on ebay 1065388629 FD a Fred Deely.
CCM also made some nice cranks. Canada Cycle & motor Co. Ltd.

   RE:MISC:   Artistic Cranks posted by Warren on 1/18/2002 at 11:07:12 PM
Early Dunelts said...Dunelt. Chater-Lea as well...

   RE:MISC:   Artistic Cranks posted by Warren on 1/18/2002 at 11:07:15 PM
Early Dunelts said...Dunelt. Chater-Lea as well...

   RE:MISC:   Artistic Cranks posted by Sheldon Brown on 1/19/2002 at 1:45:51 AM
The "hand" is Rudge

Sheldon Brown

   RE:RE:MISC:   Artistic Cranks posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/19/2002 at 7:41:37 PM
The Norman warriors is a cool one. Somebody made the master engraving and then they fitted that to a huge press and they knocked out a bunch of these and somebody watched to see that there were no flaws in each crank. I sit here now and I wonder where the pressings (the stamps) used to make this crank so long ago, I wonder where it is today?
If I ever get to time travel, I'm gonna pop in to see Raleigh in the 50's with my application in hand.

   RE:MISC:   Artistic Cranks posted by Tom on 1/22/2002 at 2:33:53 AM
Another chainring on Ebay 1066544224 It is a British HOPPER. I never heard of it before. Anyone know what it is. Parts on ebay with are new to me.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Artistic Cranks posted by Warren on 1/22/2002 at 3:25:53 AM
I forgot about one in my basement...it's a KAY and it's old and 1/8" guage.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Artistic Cranks posted by Ian on 1/23/2002 at 9:10:24 AM
Hopper was a reasonably big English manufacturer for many years. Without looking anything up, just relying on memory I would say 1920's to the early 50,s when they amalgamated with the Elswick company to produce (surprise, surprise), Elswick-Hopper bikes. Eventually taken over by one of the big conglomerates.






AGE / VALUE:   Sounds like fun to me posted by: sam on 1/18/2002 at 1:54:33 PM
Albert,your alternative tour of the Historic dist. and market sounds great.Make it happen,Albert.---sam


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sounds like fun to me posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/21/2002 at 7:43:58 PM
I agree






MISC:   Trophy Bikes posted by: Lane on 1/18/2002 at 3:23:44 AM
While in Philadelphia for a meeting, I had a chance to visit Trophy Bikes for the first time last week. I was very impressed by the friendly service and was able to purchase several much needed parts for my 51 Humber at a nominal cost. Not many bike shops open their parts bins for you. Thank you. I would also like to thank VVVintage Vintage Bicycles for this excellent site. Questions another time.







AGE / VALUE:   What's inside the mystery box? posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/18/2002 at 1:36:15 AM
It's best to buy the whole box of spanners before he sorts thru it. Not afterwards but before. In fact, don't even open the box, I don't want to wait and come back trying again, either. If he sorts thru it then he might take something out and put it someplace else where it'll take me years more to get ahold of it. He might take out the very way- cool piece that I want and leave me the junky common stuff.
I have all my spanners hanging up on the wall, all kinds of them.
Chris "the junior Tool- Magpie wanna-be" The second box of 1970's Simplex goodies is missing, I always hate it when they say "Next time" I'll find it, oh it's somewhere.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What's inside the mystery box? posted by Dale on 1/18/2002 at 5:23:27 PM
Despite the travails, it's such a good find to have the contact. I hear that antique people are like that too; you cultivate a relationship because you never know what they'll find for you.