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Archived: English Roadsters







WANTED:   Rudge crank posted by: Art on 2/2/2002 at 11:47:38 PM
Anyone have the Rudge crank with the hands cut into the center that they would be willing to part with. I need one. Art







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Are there folks from Los Angeles? posted by: Tom on 2/1/2002 at 2:38:46 AM
Hi Folks -

I haven't had a real three speed in 25 years - but I have had homebuilt commuters based upon 5 speed Sturmeys.

I'm interested in once again having a three speed and have been casually looking about, but no luck so far. I've been frequenting the local thrift shops and doing slow drive-bys at the garage and tag sales. I've followed a couple on E-Bay, but they are typically more spendy than I care for, at least once shipping is factored in. A nice Raliegh Sports or Superbe is what I'm interested in, though I suspect the Sports will be more to my budget.

My question is: Are there any clubs or organizations in Los Angeles that are oriented toward English Roadsters and 3 speeds? Are there swap meets or flea markets that are likely to have such things in the LA area?

Thanks for any help or advice you can offer,

Tom


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Are there folks from Los Angeles? posted by Kevin C. on 2/1/2002 at 12:45:44 PM
They are common bikes and inexpensive, too. Try writing up a few "Wanted" ads on index cards and tape them up at supermarkets and laundromats. I have gotten nice Raleigh Sports for under $20.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Are there folks from Los Angeles? posted by smg on 2/1/2002 at 4:54:52 PM
Try reading the yellow pages closely. A shop that mentions used bikes might turn out to be a gold mine like "Recycled Cycles" here in Seattle. Also ask about vintage-type stuff at ordinary bike shops. They might be able to refer you to another shop; that's how I found the local Sturmey-Archer wizard.

Regarding which: If you have one more S5 hub than you figure you're likely to need, I might be interested. I'm currently having a ball building replicas of clubman-type bikes!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Are there folks from Los Angeles? posted by Esteban on 2/1/2002 at 5:15:41 PM
I'm in San Diego -- there are lots of 3 speeds on the West coast, but little in comparison to the East ( I lived in Northampton MA for 4 years). You usually find some rust-bucket Sports making their way along the boardwalks of the Pacific. But I suspect that many older folks have garages (not attics or basements) that house English bikes. I like the idea of the post at the supermarket. Remember, in a land where the car reigns supreme, many folks are happy to "have a bike" but rarely ride it -- they could find your note intriguing. So, look hard, and they will come up. There are a few shops that sell old bikes, but usually expensive. Good luck out here in the West!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Are there folks from Los Angeles? posted by Tom on 2/2/2002 at 3:08:02 AM
Hi Folks -

Thank you all for the suggestions and encouragement. I like the idea of posting a note on the supermarket noteboard. I never would have thought of that. Dunno why.

SMG - the Sturmey stock in the Pile 'O Bikestuff is pretty low. I have but one extra S5 right now, and it's a 40 hole. Somewhere around here there is a 40 hole rim to go with it, so I better hang on to it for a while.

Once again, thanks to all,

Tom






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Are ther folks from Los Angeles? posted by: Tom on 2/1/2002 at 2:38:46 AM
Hi Folks -

I haven't had a real three speed in 25 years - but I have had homebuilt commuters based upon 5 speed Sturmeys.

I'm interested in once again having a three speed and have been casually looking about, but no luck so far. I've been frequenting the local thrift shops and doing slow drive-bys at the garage and tag sales. I've followed a couple on E-Bay, but they are typically more spendy than I care for, at least once shipping is factored in. A nice Raliegh Sports or Superbe is what I'm interested in, though I suspect the Sports will be more to my budget.

My question is: Are there any clubs or organizations in Los Angeles that are oriented toward English Roadsters and 3 speeds? Are there swap meets or flea markets that are likely to have such things in the LA area?

Thanks for any help or advice you can offer,

Tom







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   hub compatability posted by: Edward in Vancouver on 2/1/2002 at 1:46:25 AM
Although this doesn't directly deal with Roadsters, it does concern English bikes:

I would like to convert the AW hub on my RSW 16 to a S3C hub. Unfortunately the hub on the S3C is a 36 spoke, while the AW is a 28. Are the hub shells compatable, meaning can I swap the "innards" from one to another? Although I took the S3C hub apart(previous owner had gunked it up with some kind of grease), I couldn't get the right hand ball ring off. This ring only has two shallow, half circular, indentations and is wedged on tight. By the way the S3C is not laced to a wheel, so I had it wrapped in a an old innertube before I clamped it in a Vice, and attempted to remove the r.h. ballring. Any suggestions out there?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   hub compatability posted by Randy on 2/1/2002 at 2:19:19 AM
Years ago I made two steel blocks that I can clamp in a vise, bored out to clear the ballcup and with a circle of pins to fit into the spoke holes. One block is for 36H and one is for 40H. I also made a big wrench (two handed) to fit the ballcup notches (the regular rectangular kind--not the circular) but the lugs on it have worn down some and I need to modify it so I can put in some hardened lugs. While I was at it I made a tool (kind of like the real S-A one) to clamp in a vise and hold the threaded driver so I could remove sprockets.

If you'd like to borrow a hub-holding block (and would be willing to pay postage both ways) email me offline.






AGE / VALUE:   Ok, Who did it? posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/31/2002 at 8:04:17 PM
I saw an exerciser out by the kerb. I double back, pull over, jump out and guess what? The extra long seat post was missing! Seat and all. Seems somebody else had beat me to it! I exclaim aloud "It's gone! Oh No!" I stood there a second while reality sank in. Just because I got there and ran up doesn't mean it's gonna be there. After all, a ton of folks pass by and I'm not the only one thinking these thoughts. The pedals had straps on them and they spun so nicely but I couldn't think of a need for any of it.
I keep looking, the hunt continues.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ok, Who did it? posted by Stacey on 2/3/2002 at 11:28:55 PM
I got it Chris. What a GREAT cheater bar for my ratchet... make light work of those stuck bolts! HAHAHAHA! I left my card for you, I guess the neighbour kid used to pick his teeth.

Stacey






FOR SALE:   More NOS Sturmey-Archer parts posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 1/31/2002 at 7:30:11 PM
We've just posted some more NOS parts.

Start by clciking on "Bicycles and Parts for Sale" at the top of this page.

Regards,
Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc.
http://OldRoads.com







MISC:   Unusual bike Identification posted by: Ray on 1/31/2002 at 4:59:37 PM
I just purchased and picked up this bike this weekend. It is very unusual with its old Simplex 2 speed derailleur, water tank and rod brakes. It has a mixture of English and French components but has no name anywhere that I can tell. Possibly had a decal name that is long since gone. The head tube lugs form a sort of an X in the front at the top and bottom tube joint. It is a 28 inch wheel and well look for yourself. Note the chain has been corrected on the rear derailleur.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1068152348
Any help would be appreciated in identification.


   RE:MISC:   Unusual bike Identification posted by sam on 2/1/2002 at 12:10:33 AM
The person you bough the bike from put the photo on ebay about a year ago listed "not for sale" we all looked at it but didn't know any thing on it hope you find out more and let us know.

   RE:MISC:   Unusual bike Identification posted by Warren on 2/1/2002 at 2:26:21 PM
A beautiful bike...






FOR SALE:   Pump Hoses posted by: Ian. on 1/31/2002 at 5:31:07 AM
Posted a reply to an earlier posting about pump hoses saying that I thought they were still available. I have checked it out and I can procure new ones which look quite original with the woven cloth covering over the rubber hose. They are US$3:50 each. Postage from New Zealand will be US$4:00 for up to four and a little more if you want a larger quantity. I do have a few used ones but at these prices it is hardly worth bothering with them. Regards, Ian.







AGE / VALUE:   Possible source for 26 T.P.I. Raleigh cups? posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/31/2002 at 12:28:24 AM
I was told recently that the standard Raleigh threading, the obsolete 26 T.P.I.raleigh bottom bracket is pipe threaded meaning that "it contracts." There is a "straight" 26 T.P.I. tap that can slightly modify the threads in the bike so that you can use currently available Tange cups.
Straight gauge 26 T.P.I. cups in my old Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. Rudge, Sports, Supurbe, R.S.W., Twenty, a whole lot of old Raleigh's in general. He told me the company that is supposed to offer these size bottombracket cups and I'll post that tomorrow.( Left notes in desk) I haven't heard of this before, nor did my mechanic. So don't hold me to it. I would like to try this out on a old beater frame and see if it really works with the origonal Raleigh spindle. He didn't say where to find spindles. If there is a diffrence in the cups (and there may be a slight diffrence) than that may throw the whole thing off and unless you are able to move a cup in or out more than usual it might not work. I'm not crazy about moving a cup in or out, it's supposed to go together more cleanly. What do you guys think about Tange's quality? I'm not all that familiar with Tange.
There is more than one way to skin a cat, but putting the skin back on is impossible. The hardness quality of the new tange cups are not the same as old Raleigh so that means it'll wear out sooner. But then you can just keep replacing cups whereas finding origonal cups is difficult.

You can re- tap it to 24 T.P.I. right? Is that another alternative? Stay Tuned.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Possible source for 26 T.P.I. Raleigh cups? posted by Bill Putnam on 2/1/2002 at 5:15:21 PM
My local bike shop has tapped several Raleigh 26 tpi bottom
brackets to the more common 24 tpi thread. It works, but
I wouldn't trust this to someone who didn't have some
experience doing it. Also, there is some variation in
24 tpi bottom bracket cup threadings such that some work
better than others. I tried several from the bike shop
until I found ones that didn't have too much slop in the
threads.

Tange is a well respected manufacturer. Good stuff,
nothing fancy, but not junk either.

What I do with pitted axles is chuck them in a lathe
and with a carbide tip turn the bearing surface until
smooth. So far this has worked well, but I don't have
more than a couple thousand miles on an axle yet to
know about long term durability. I've found aftermarket
axles to either be the wrong length of of poor quality.

If you want to keep your bike frame original, and have
lots of money, Phil Wood makes a sealed cottered crank
BB and 26 tpi mounting rings to suit.

Bill Putnam






MISC:   Help with a Humber... posted by: Warren on 1/30/2002 at 10:58:21 PM
I dismantled the next project...a 53 Ladies Humber that was hidden in the back corner. The first prognosis wasn't good... bifurcated forks and steerer were a little hung...rust thru the paint to the frame...front wheel not original. I heated the fork and beat it with a large mallet...looks ok..

What I need is an early (pre-60) 32 hole Raleigh hub WITH axle nuts. The Humber forks have a recess for a flange on the outside of the fork legs and the correct hub has the mating flange on the axle nuts rather than the cones, as per the later Raleigh/Sturmey hubs. I can buy or trade...what do you need?

Second issue, has anyone dismantled a Humber fork lock and found a source for a key?

Third...the lamp bracket on the Humber is unlike anything I've seen...it doesn't look as if it accommodates a standard Dyno (Lucas?) lightset. Any ideas what fits?

Thanks...


   RE:MISC:   Help with a Humber... posted by Warren on 1/30/2002 at 11:26:30 PM
Sorry for the double post...I should have also said I heated the steerer and beat it with a mallet...not the forks. I think it worked rather well actually.






MISC:   Help with a Humber... posted by: Warren on 1/30/2002 at 10:58:21 PM
I dismantled the next project...a 53 Ladies Humber that was hidden in the back corner. The first prognosis wasn't good... bifurcated forks and steerer were a little hung...rust thru the paint to the frame...front wheel not original. I heated the fork and beat it with a large mallet...looks ok..

What I need is an early (pre-60) 32 hole Raleigh hub WITH axle nuts. The Humber forks have a recess for a flange on the outside of the fork legs and the correct hub has the mating flange on the axle nuts rather than the cones, as per the later Raleigh/Sturmey hubs.

Second issue, has anyone dismantled a Humber fork lock and found a source for a key?

Third...the lamp bracket on the Humber is unlike anything I've seen...it doesn't look as if it accommodates a standard Dyno (Lucas?) lightset. Any ideas what fits?

Thanks...


   RE:MISC:   Help with a Humber... posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/31/2002 at 12:27:53 AM
Lamp brackets can vary. A lot of diffrent ones were made by more than one manufacturer. Consider yourself lucky if you have something not seen before. The Humber double blade fork can be rebuilt unlike a traditional Raleigh one with the thimble fork crowns. A new (or longer) steer tube can be put in there and off you go without any problems. You already know about the diagrams posted here that show your lock. The fork lock MAY be the exact same as in the Supurbe bikes or perhaps it is a slightly diffrent earlier series. I'm not exactly sure. How to dissamble it I don't know enough to say. This has been mentioned here before I know. I'll look thru my info and see if dissembly instructions are available. What color is this? A locksmith can get you a key.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Help with a Humber... posted by Clyde on 1/31/2002 at 1:49:28 AM
Warren,
For the lock, take a look at the Raleigh/Rudge/Humber exploded diagrams on this website (the very last diagram!). The Humber's lock tumbler part appear to be the same part as the one on my Superbe. I took a copy of the diagram to my locksmith, but all he needed were the alpha-numeric key codes stamped in the face of the lock. My spare Superbe fork is stamped "NGN 8", so if yours is similarly coded, a good locksmith with the right "books" should be able to re-key it for you.
Cheers

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Help with a Humber... posted by Warren on 1/31/2002 at 4:28:53 AM
Thanks but no such luck on the key code...I'd like to dismantle it and see if the number is inside. Wish me luck...

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Help with a Humber... posted by Stacey on 1/31/2002 at 11:21:54 AM
With the lock mechanisim removed and access to the pins & tumblers, a good locksmith should be able to cut a key. Good luck...

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Help with a Humber... posted by Edward in Vancouver on 1/31/2002 at 2:49:57 PM
Warren: I've got the front hub, 32 spoke Raleigh. I'm pretty sure it was the original on my '54 Superbe. However, on the INSIDE of the drop-outs on my Superbe, there is a slight indentation that matches the slight raised shoulder on the cone lock nuts. The axle nuts have the regular raised shoulder as well. If the cone lock nuts don't fit, you can always file them down. Contact me offline for addreses, etc.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bicycle Pump posted by: Lane on 1/29/2002 at 2:21:31 AM
Would anyone know if the hose that screws into the old style pump and stores in the handle are available new/used anywhere? I have several pumps that these have dry rotted on. Thanks


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bicycle Pump posted by bikeyard@mindspring.com on 2/1/2002 at 2:30:09 PM
I have them

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bicycle Pump posted by Ian on 1/29/2002 at 9:08:26 AM
Lane, they are available here in New Zealand and I also have a few used ones. I will check out costs and postage tomorrow. Do you want ones that fit the Schrader car type valves or the Presto cycle type? We see tubes with both types of valves. Regards, Ian.






AGE / VALUE:   raleigh tourist posted by: Bob on 1/28/2002 at 6:28:24 PM
Can anybody tell me if Raleigh ever made a 22" frame Tourist DL-1, say in the late 1970s? The standard size for the DL-1, of course, was the 24" frame. Thanks for any information.


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Whats that around your neck? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/31/2002 at 1:01:13 AM
Supposadly, in Africa they sold lots of hub spindle cones until they decided to stop polishing them and save a bit of money. All of a sudded they stoped selling so many. It seems that people took to wearing these for necklaces until they were no longer polished. I have a set of Raleigh R style front wheel wing nuts on my key fob where the "added, unnecessary weight is destroying the ignition switch in the car." These are so smooth and shiny from all the years of handling daily. I wish I could find enough shiny black cones so I could do this! Bike parts as jewlery, it's nothing new!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh tourist posted by Lenny on 1/29/2002 at 11:18:18 AM
Hi Bob,

I have a Raleigh Tourist DL-1 with a 22" frame; the rear SA hub is stamped "81" so even as late as ca. 1981 this smaller frame size was imported in the US. I bought this bike in 1986 and it has a few peculiarites such as crank arms that didn't fit the axles well and a seatpost bolt that didn't fit properly. One fellow from this discussion group mentioned to me that there are quite a few Tourists from the early '80 that were built up from parts by Raleigh dealers in the US. This might explain the mismatched parts on my bike. Other than that, it rides great.

Raleigh seemed to have a peculiar marketing strategy regarding the DL-1 here in the US; some of their mid-70s catalogs refer to the DL-1 as "a bike expressly designed for tall people" which in hindsight doesn't seem to have been a good way to encourage sales of this classic design. I'm only 5' 9" and the design works perfectly for me!

Regards,

Lenny

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh tourist posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/29/2002 at 8:48:42 PM
These bicycles were made in the 22inch and 24 inch frame sizes. Raleigh, Phillips, Humber, Rudge, and a lot of other versions too. If you go back a bit in time you'll see 26 inch frame versions and back a wee bit more you'll see 28 inch frame rod brake machines with enclosed chainguards and 28 inch wheels. One of the 28 inch frame,28 inch wheel versions was called The Phillips Royal Imperial.
You may be able to special order a Pashley with this size frame. Good luck in finding a Raleigh Tourist (D.L.1.) in anything larger than a 24 inch size frame. After 1980/1981 The door slammed shut in the U.S. in finding a new Raleigh Tourist D.L.1.( Unless it was from a shop selling off old inventory. Shortly after that Raleigh changed the name to "Royal Roadster" and then in 1987 they stoped making the bike after 100 years. Pashley makes their version still today but the price is up to about 700.00 last time I checked.
You can find a 2'nd hand Raleigh on e- bay but the older and larger frame size bikes rarely show up. Exploded diagrams are here at oldroads.com under Raleigh, Rudge, Humber exploded diagrams. In South Africa they made this same bike in black and Flamenco Red. They attached motors under the bikes but this was soon killed off when Derby stoped the whole show. There is one (maybe more) companies making these still today and if you order 500 bikes they will make the 26 inch frame size for you. Otherwise, the 24inch frame is all you will find.
Wonderfull, durable bike. I have Sturmey-Archer F.M.'s(four speeds) in mine. Previous folks here have warned about staying away from the Indian made bikes. The Hero and some of the others are not up to Raleigh standards. This is tricky, ones has to be careful. Finding one in the part of the world where you live is difficult and then really easy. This type/style of bike is everywhere in diffrent guises. It varies.
Have fun!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh tourist posted by Dale on 1/30/2002 at 6:35:24 PM
In the early 70s they were only available in 24". We had three Indian doctors from a nearby hospital that came in to buy Real Raleigh Bicycles, in their minds that's a Raleigh Bicycle. Tallest one was about 5'6". I told another Indian friend about this, and he said, "Oh yes, we learned how to balance them against curbs and so on, because they were all too big, even in India."






AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh rim trivia posted by: Warren on 1/27/2002 at 8:52:04 PM
I picked up an NOS Raleigh 26 x 1 1/4 (597mm) wheel at the thrift store...Made in France! Imagine that. Sir Walter is turning over in his grave.It has a small 80 in a diamond...looks like a date stamp. The hub is garbage but the steel rim was OK for $2.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh rim trivia posted by Randy on 1/30/2002 at 11:19:32 PM
I have a pair of NOS Raleigh 28 x 1-1/2 rims (one 40H and one 32H) that were Made in France. I'll be using them on my Faux-Pedersen project.






AGE / VALUE:    I stayed at the mall too long posted by: Christopher on 1/27/2002 at 6:50:09 PM
Why is it that there are no select vintage bikes at mainstream malls? All that foot traffic passing by and never an old bike for sale. Theres an angle here somewhere, something that has not been thought of or developed yet. You see it in the store and see the rod brakes and somebody says "Cool! Look at that bike." Wow! Take it upscale, not tacky but cool. A vintage poster behind it? A whole store of interesting stuff. Mix it in with eyeglasses or expensive leather handbags.Sold by employees that are cheerful. Call a restaurant "Roadsters" Men like cars don't they? Add vintage bikes or a motorcycle themed place. I'm thinking a ritzy expensive mall. Not quite the most expensive place but somewhere nestled in with other cool affordable stuff. Mostly new things some used if that's possible. I'm not saying plop a bike shop in a mall but something unique that'll bring in a lot of paying customers. The shop in the mall that everybody likes to stop in to rustle thru. Mix it with a coffee shop, something new! The reinvention of the hobby itself!
Look,We had to wait 45 minutes for icky pasta and pita bread that they smear cheese and a few toppings. They didn't even have to make a pizza crust! It was aweful, but it sold and I sat there and gaped and then I thought, "very clever!"
Expensive, chewey cookies sell! If only old bikes was as attractive and necessary as eating. People will buy and eat almost anything overpriced, cold and bland.