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Archived: English Roadsters







AGE / VALUE:   Ohh, Williams fluted crank! posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/14/2002 at 7:09:15 PM
Well, I pulled the drawer out and reached in with one hand. I pulled out a lot of junk steel cranks and the last one was a ....FLUTED STEEL WILLIAMS LEFT HAND CRANK!
Only the one left arm though, the other matching right arm is not in the building! It was hiding on me all this time! Beautiful part! I love picking through old places, it's cool and when I look patiently enough I usually find something neat!







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Need Help: Women's Raleigh Superbe posted by: Calvin R. on 4/14/2002 at 4:09:34 AM
I bought a Women's Raleigh Superbe. The top down tube is curved, rod brakes, enclosed chain guard, Serial Number:NS9010439.
The person who owned it previously changed the wheels (cheap tiawanese single speed), left an '80ish 3 spd Sturmey-Archer thumb shifter and a non-leather Brooks saddle. No lighting system.
Any help identifying age and missing components would be most appreciated.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Need Help: Women's Raleigh Superbe posted by Mark on 4/16/2002 at 10:03:33 PM
I live in the UK and have a few Superbes. These bikes were available at least into the early seventies. I have an original '55 and a '69, both have full chaincase, rod brakes etc, but obvious differences are, as Edward says, the lack of BB oiler in the '69, also it has an Italicised font on the down tube and the rear mudguard (fender) is fixed near the BB using a cheaper clip rather than a bracket and bolt.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Need Help: Women's Raleigh Superbe posted by Edward in Vancouver on 4/16/2002 at 11:09:32 PM
Mark, what's your e-mail address? There's a couple of items that I'm still hunting down for my Superbe..

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Need Help: Women's Raleigh Superbe posted by Calvin R. on 4/14/2002 at 4:35:08 AM
I forgot to mention that it also has locking forks.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Need Help: Women's Raleigh Superbe posted by Edward in Vancouver on 4/14/2002 at 10:22:51 PM
Ooh, I love Superbe's. Dating a bike just with a serial # is tricky, best to go to Sheldon Brown's site where he has a Raleigh "time line",and according to the various items (ie, BB oiler cup, fork drop-outs, etc.) you can get a fair estimate of the year it was built. All Superbes came with locking front forks, either a GH6 dyno or an AG or FG dyno unit, front and rear lights, and B66 seats. In your case the full chaincase would suggest anything built up to the late 50's, and privately imported from England, not through a N.American dealer. Now check out your front fork drop-outs, they should be forged, not the cheap stamped drop-outs of the late 60's, the fulcrum clamps( the hardware that separates the gear cable from the cable housing should be quality material, not the crappy stamped stuff either. Check the seatpost bolt, there might still be a little copper washer with a crimped end, this would be the "ground" for the dyno's wiring harness. Feel free to contact me off-line for any info.

Regards,
Edward in Vancouver






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Interesting roadster frame on ebay posted by: David on 4/14/2002 at 3:17:21 AM
NMA - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1092160902
This looks like a roadster frame; interesting [unfocused] chainwheel. Can anyone identify it?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Interesting roadster frame on ebay posted by Tim Powell on 4/16/2002 at 11:40:41 AM
I have just bought four crank sets NOS identical to the one on this frame and they are stamped "Brampton England". I agree the frame looks like a Raleigh.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Interesting roadster frame on ebay posted by Warren on 4/15/2002 at 12:40:27 PM
Not a Raleigh crank...looks like the standard Williams style crank. The fork looks to be Raleigh. Could be a smaller DL-1 frame but it's tough to say given the lousy pics and lack of details.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Interesting roadster frame on ebay posted by Chris on 4/20/2002 at 6:17:13 PM
This exact pattern of crank has popped up on a lot of bikes.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Humber front brakes question... posted by: Warren on 4/13/2002 at 9:29:59 PM
While we're on the Humber subject...the bi-furcated front fork on a Humber has two horizontal flanges that protrude from the fork crown. The front brake drilling is between these flanges and they prevent any of the standard Raleigh/Philips style calipers from sitting flush to the fork crown for stability. These brakes usually have a concave washer to seat the brake. Can anyone look at their Humber fork (with caliper brake of course) and describe the part in question?

BTW Christopher...mine is a Raleigh-Humber 26" womens frame with the funky fork. The rear SA hub was dated 55, if it's to be believed. Thanks...


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Humber front brakes question... posted by Chris on 4/14/2002 at 4:09:50 PM
1955 is to be believed in my book. I'll look at that part

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Humber front brakes question... posted by Lane on 4/15/2002 at 12:14:06 AM
I have two of these Humbers with the double fork. One is a 1951 and other is 1952 with alloy hub. The piece on the front brakes is the same as a standard fork but turned 90 degrees, then shoulders are cut in the thicker metal to fit top and bottom of the horizontal fork shoulder ribs. Not easy to describe. Contact and I can remove and photograph

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Humber front brakes question... posted by Warren on 4/15/2002 at 2:20:01 AM
Hi Lane...I think I get it...I'm just a little baffled that the bike had what looked like the original brakes (double ended cables) but the front is missing that piece and the spring.
Thanks for the description...I'll get the dremel tool and files out.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sturmey ASC hub posted by: Tom on 4/13/2002 at 8:21:18 PM
Nice Sturmey ASC hub on ebay. One to watch. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1093323038 Not mine but I wish it was.







MISC:   ride posted by: rickey@knowlesbicycle334-756-7561 on 4/13/2002 at 5:52:35 PM
THE 26th ANNUAL HIKE/BIKE/RUN WILL BE HELD ON SATURDAY may 4 in valley THE annually fund raiser for valley haven school for the handicaped ..WE EXPECT A LARGE GATHERING THIS YEAR ...THERE WILL BE MANY CYCLRIST RIDEING BACK FROM MONTGOMERY'S CAPITAL 100 MILES--A 22 MILE-- 11 MILE 5 MILE RIDERS WALKERS RUNNERS ALL AGES MOTER SCOOTERS TO -- AND I PERSONALY INVITE YOU TO JOIN US THIS YEAR MAY 4 HERE IN VALLEY AL. WERE ON THE BORDER GA & AL INTERSTATE 85 AT THE VALLEY LANNETT KING FORD EXIT TAKE FOB JAMES DR. TO FAIRFAX BYPAS THE SCHOOL'S ON THE RIGHT 1 HALF MILE THIS IS WHERE ALL THE EVENTS BEGAN & END EXCEPT THE 100 MILE RIDE WHICH ENDS AT THE KROGER GRO.IN LANNETT AL.THERE WILL BE A AUCTION WHERE ALL DONATED ITEMS WILL BE SOLD TO RAISE MONEY FOR VALLEY HAVEN SCHOOL GOD BLESS PLEASE COME PARTICIPATE YOU MAY CALL THE SCHOOL AT 334-7562868 OR 334-756-7801 OR US HERE AT KNOWLES BICYCLE SHOP 334-756-7561 TUNE YOUR BIKE & RIDE SAT. MAY 4 2002 IN VALLYE AL.YOUR PLEDGES ARE WELCOMED

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AGE / VALUE:   HOW OLD MY BIKE IS? posted by: Mario Romano on 4/12/2002 at 5:32:23 PM
I have an Humber badged bike, with the following characteristics and I must to know the year approximately it was manufactured. The characteristics are: black painted, 28" front and rear tires, double bladed fork, wheel lock at the rear wheel, mudguard end painted in white, a lot of little men one behind other sprocket, an circular aluminum piece with a bullet in the middle screwed at the top of the front mudguard, rod brakes, Hercules Cycles and Motors three-internal hub gears, totally covered chain by an metal chainguard, leather saddle with tortioned springings, "health-type" handlebar and tinny yellow and red stripes painted alond the frame, single tube frame male model and an serial number beginning with the letters BJ.

Thanks a lot any help...


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   HOW OLD MY BIKE IS? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/13/2002 at 3:39:43 PM
I don't know the year except mine was bought new in 1948. Try looking up your serial number in the Raleigh serial number chart. Perhaps yours is in there. Probably not however.
This is a cool bike that we seldom see offered on e- bay. Not the 28 inch wheel model with the double fork.
I paid $350.00 U.S. for mine, there are other collector folks who are lurking about who love these bikes too. They snap these up when they appear. I'm looking for a pair in Royal blue, in mint shape and when I do find them, I'm gonna get socked good. I'll bet, because they do not sell cheap.
We are not sure how long these were made. One source has these sold up to 1980 but I think these stoped in like 1965. With all the diffrent countries these were sold in, it's hard to say. The 26 inch wheel Humber bikes made by Raleigh were offered in a plain fork so maybe the double fork was phased out later on due to cost?

One thing is for certain, this double blade fork is not being made anywhere in the world today. Raleigh and Phillips bicycle copies (and some of them very faithful copies too I might add) are being made today. B.S.A. and the other names are out there but the Humber double fork model did not go on. Try finding a 26 inch Rod brake, roadster frame. They are not offered today anyplace unless you buy like 500 bicycles and then they'll do a special run just for you.
So my point is, the 26 inch or even 28 inch extra tall frame bikes are rather rare.
If you have a 26 inch frame Raleigh , Phillips, Humber, Rudge or whatever then you are in a special, elite, class of English Roadster fans.
Enjoy the bike Mario, and when you ride know that people like me might run after you with money in hand trying to buy it from you. You do carry a lock and keep it with you and always in sight don't you? It's probably like everything else, it can be stolen if you are not careful.






MISC:   question posted by: Jon on 4/12/2002 at 3:18:01 PM
LIght generater. How do you get it to work??? Do i need to have it locked to make light when ride??? any help would be goo thanks.


   RE:MISC:   question posted by evileye on 4/15/2002 at 2:51:09 PM
You have to a bit more specific of what you want and need.






AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh 3-Speeds now on ebay posted by: Ted on 4/10/2002 at 2:21:02 AM
No response so I just listed my beautiful black men's LTD3 and blue Ladies Sports(both early 1970's Made in England)(described below) on ebay under Raleigh bicycle. Buy It Now. Looks and rides great.







WANTED:   dl-1 tourist posted by: bicyclepriest on 4/10/2002 at 1:45:50 AM
what up. Have not rapped with you gurus in a minute. Lookin'
for a 36 spoke dl-1 tourist rim for my ride. my 36 spoke AC-3 and
my current original 40 spoke will not work for me anymore. I want
something that I do not have to keep worrying about. In this
parts of the country, I am the only person who has one this
magnificent machines, so I need some luv from those of you out
there in certain parts of the world who have dl-1 tourist coming
out ya nostrils.

peace
bicyclepriest


   RE:WANTED:   dl-1 tourist posted by Tim Powell on 4/16/2002 at 11:36:46 AM
I buy my Westwood rims from http://www.rigida.com/anglais/default.html
They have agents worldwide.

Good Luck.

   RE:WANTED:   dl-1 tourist posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/13/2002 at 3:45:42 PM
A Westwood wheel is not always easy to find, and love? Well....






MISC:   ride posted by: rickey@knowlesbicycle334-756-7561 on 4/9/2002 at 8:23:06 PM
THE 26th ANNUAL HIKE/BIKE/RUN WILL BE HELD ON SATURDAY may 4 in valley THE annually fund raiser for valley haven school for the handicaped ..WE EXPECT A LARGE GATHERING THIS YEAR ...THERE WILL BE MANY CYCLRIST RIDEING BACK FROM MONTGOMERY'S CAPITAL 100 MILES--A 22 MILE-- 11 MILE 5 MILE RIDERS WALKERS RUNNERS ALL AGES MOTER SCOOTERS TO -- AND I PERSONALY INVITE YOU TO JOIN US THIS YEAR MAY 4 HERE IN VALLEY AL. WERE ON THE BORDER GA & AL INTERSTATE 85 AT THE VALLEY LANNETT KING FORD EXIT TAKE FOB JAMES DR. TO FAIRFAX BYPAS THE SCHOOL'S ON THE RIGHT 1 HALF MILE THIS IS WHERE ALL THE EVENTS BEGAN & END EXCEPT THE 100 MILE RIDE WHICH ENDS AT THE KROGER GRO.IN LANNETT AL.THERE WILL BE A AUCTION WHERE ALL DONATED ITEMS WILL BE SOLD TO RAISE MONEY FOR VALLEY HAVEN SCHOOL GOD BLESS PLEASE COME PARTICIPATE YOU MAY CALL THE SCHOOL AT 334-7562868 OR 334-756-7801 OR US HERE AT KNOWLES BICYCLE SHOP 334-756-7561 TUNE YOUR BIKE & RIDE SAT. MAY 4 2002 IN VALLYE AL.YOUR PLEDGES ARE WELCOMED







MISC:   Old Schwinn and Raleigh dealer Open House - 28-APR-02 posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 4/9/2002 at 4:23:14 PM
A shop in our area (Massachusetts) is having an Vintage Bicycle sale on Sunday, April 28, 2002.
They are placing all of their new bikes downstairs and filling their shop floor with over 100 vintage bicycles including SEVERAL DOZEN ENGLISH ROADSTERS.
They've been a Schwinn/Raleigh dealership since 1969 and have some great bikes.
We'll be posting a larger notice with directions, pictures and more info shortly. In the meantime, mark your calendars!

-Vin
VVVintage Vintage Bicycles
http://OldRoads.com







AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh headsets posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/9/2002 at 3:57:00 PM
They sold out of Raleigh headsets here at oldroads. DRAT!
I have this steel pipe and I knock out the old ones and pop in new headsets and I love riding a bike with all new bearing races and cones.
Heres hoping they get in more!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh headsets posted by VVVintage Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 4/9/2002 at 4:25:42 PM
We're expecting some NOS Phillips headsets to come in this week...

-Vin

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh headsets posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/9/2002 at 11:30:01 PM
Great! If oldroads can find Phillips (24 T.P.I. ) headsets than they can eventually find Raleigh ( 26T.P.I.) ones. This is the place for vintage bicycle replacement parts!

Anybody got a Phillips bike or something that uses Phillips threading? Watch for these, the time to replace your old worn out headset is approaching.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh headsets posted by Ben on 4/13/2002 at 2:23:48 PM
My '59 Phillips roadster has the "separate" races which float in the cups. Is the headset you speak of a replacement for this? If so, I would love to get rid of this one I have.

Ben

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh headsets posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/13/2002 at 3:52:23 PM
The seperate cups that float in the headset are Origonal Phillips headsets. If Vin is getting in more N.O.S. Phillips headsets than it is more of what you already have only new condition.
You want to go to Raleigh style with your Phillips bike? thats mixing 24 T.P.I. (Phillips) with 26 T.P.I. Raleigh and you can't do that. Ask Sheldon who has proven that he has figured out more than one way of skinning a cat.
I'd have to think about this question, it's a good one.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh headsets posted by Ben on 4/14/2002 at 2:21:39 PM
It may just bethat I have not discovered the secret of adjusting this type of headset. The races do not appear worn, but for the life of me I cannot get it to the point where there is no play without it binding beyond usability. Are the races interchangeable throughout the headset? It may be that the previous owner(s) assembled it wrong, and I have just faithfully reproduced their error. There is just a little bit of play now, and I have checked the steerer, it is not bent.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:  Phillips headsets posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/14/2002 at 6:59:10 PM
I think the inner races are all the same and therefore interchangable.






AGE / VALUE:   Who knows the value of a Sturmey Archer Dynohub and front light posted by: JAG on 4/9/2002 at 2:42:11 AM
Someone has gotta know what these hubs are worth??
Sturmey Archer Dynohub with the front light??? what are they worth?
Also same question on a New Departure Mdl D triplespeed hub?
Thanks for your help.
JAG


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Who knows the value of a Sturmey Archer Dynohub and front light posted by David on 4/9/2002 at 10:49:18 AM
For some reason, the headlights seem to be rarer than the hubs. Dynoubs sell for $15-75 on ebay depending on condition and # of spoke holes (32 is commonest). Complete NOS sets (hub, wires, head & taillights) are somewhat more.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Who knows the value of a Sturmey Archer Dynohub and front light posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/13/2002 at 3:54:08 PM
The flatglass headlamps with the bakelite knob are rarer.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh 26" Black Man's LTD3 1972 For Sale posted by: Ted on 4/9/2002 at 1:43:08 AM
I have a very nice Made in England Raleigh 26 inch black man's 1972 LTD3(very similar to the Sports model) for sale. It has a Brooks black saddle seat, nice clean original paint,rides&shifts very well. SW hub, all original, nice chrome. I can email you a clear photo. I live in north east Maryland, right on I95....45 min from Baltimore and 45 minutes from Philadelphia for pick up or I can have professionally boxed for $25 plus cost of UPS ground. Cost for bicycle is $150. Please email me if interested. Thank you.Great blackwall tires,also. Cable brakes.Great decals.Please ask for email picture only if seriously interested, please. My ebay rating is 100 positives, 0 negatives. This is a pre-ebay offer to the great guys on this post. I also have an equally nice blue Raleigh 1973 Sports ladies for $125.