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Archived: English Roadsters







FOR SALE:   Raliegh Denult L O T S of parts! posted by: Michael "aka" The Re-Cycler on 4/1/2002 at 5:30:51 PM
Need to get rid of quite a lot of english bike parts. Have to get rid of A L L of this stuff. Please help me find a good home for this stuff!e-mail me for wants and needs and i will provide pics of what I have if i can be of help. Willling to sell as one lot. Live in northeren NJ. Reasonable offers will N O T be refused!

Thanks and Ride On!
Michael


   RE:FOR SALE:   Raliegh Denult L O T S of parts! posted by Stacey on 4/3/2002 at 5:42:07 PM
Michael, check your e-mail bud! I'm in Bucks Co., PA & would love to spend an afternoon "shoping". 8-)






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Decals posted by: David on 4/1/2002 at 4:20:45 AM
I have a nice Raleigh Sports that has seen me through many miles. Unfortunately the paint is getting pretty bad with some surface rust appearing. I would like to restore it to its orginial glory, but have no idea where/how to get repro decals, etc to finish it off. Any one have any suggestions?

-- David


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Decals posted by Catfood Rob on 4/3/2002 at 8:31:10 PM
Yep, old LLOYDS have lotsa decals...theyre in the u.k. but will post to the states.
If they cant help, take the bike to a vinyl decal cutter.
( makes signs for vans etc.)
They will be able to match them up, but in vinyl not waterslide....... won`t look as neat or as period, but better than no decals at all.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Decals posted by Peter on 4/1/2002 at 7:30:12 AM
Try http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/NICK_at_LLOYDS/decals.htm






AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Twenty Chainguard posted by: Paul Minnis on 4/1/2002 at 1:53:28 AM
I just got a 1975 Raleigh Twenty folder (in green) that is in superb shape except that it is
missing its chainguard. Any out there for sale? Thanks, paul minnis







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   a little PR for the Great nrotsj posted by: Michael McGettigan on 3/31/2002 at 4:23:45 AM
ATTENTION ASSIGNMENT, LISTINGS AND FEATURE EDITORS.
March 30, 2002

6th Annual Great British Bike Weekend brings fans of classic English 3-speed bicycles to Philadelphia on APRIL 19, 20 & 21.

CONTACT: Michael McGettigan/Trophy Bikes 215.625.7999
Mcget@aol.com
www.trophybikes.com

For nearly a century, the English three-speed—a Raleigh, a Rudge, a Robin Hood, Dunelt, to name a few—has provided solid, simple transport for millions from London to Cape Town. These durable bikes, usually heavy, usually black and always reliable, have many fans. College students looking for cheap transport, Anglophiles and even bike geeks seeking a break from fussy high-tech bikes all gravitate to these all-steel bicycles.

The Great British Bike Weekend is a chance to learn more about collecting and restoring these classic bikes with workshops by bicycle experts. Also on the schedule are rides, a swap meet, pub tour and a British Bike Promenade down the Parkway.

The event is open to all riders of English 3-speed bikes. The $25 registration includes maps, program and admission to all events.


For more information, call or visit Trophy Bikes at 311 Market Street in Old City Philadelphia. 215.625.7999, or on the web at www.trophybikes.com







WANTED:   ND model A brake arm posted by: Charlie on 3/30/2002 at 3:35:08 AM
WANTED: A nice brake arm for a New Departure model A hub (not pitted or scratched up). Strap and hardware a plus.







WANTED:   Parts quest posted by: Edward in Vancouver on 3/28/2002 at 2:21:07 PM
Anybody out there have a dyno-hub shell or drum brake shell with a 28 spoke drilling that they're willing to part with?
I want to put a drum brake on my R.S.W.16 front wheel. I have the brake face plate assorted cones and axles for dynohubs and/or drum brakes, but I need the shell. Condition doesn't have to be great.

Regards, Edward in Vancouver


   RE:WANTED:   Parts quest posted by Evileye on 3/29/2002 at 3:33:31 PM
Edward,
Let me check I may have a dyno hub with 28 inch wheel which completely works. And by your name, Edward in Vancouver, is that Vancouver Canada?

   RE:WANTED:   Parts quest posted by David on 4/1/2002 at 11:48:46 PM
There was a 28-hole Dyno on ebay about a month ago (from England). It went fairly cheap.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Parts quest posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/2/2002 at 1:05:48 AM
A small number of 28 hole dynohubs was made for use with small wheel bikes. The Raleigh R.S.W. 16 bikes had front dynohubs and those rims were 28 hole drillings. I can't remember when the last time I heard of somebody wanting to put a brake unit in the front wheel of an R.S.W. 16 but I don't see why it cannot be done. The rear brake on the R.S.W. 16 was unusual and then there was a more strange rear brake hub unit designed especially for the R..S.W. 16. It was designed by Sid Standard who is still with us. Tony Hadland could possibly help you get ahold of Sid, who is an interesting and knowledgeable person to talk with.
My quest after the R.S.W. 16 bikes in all the various colors and types was interesting. I have one that was used by the Notts police. It has a sticker that says "Notts police coded cycle" The police over there used the Chopper for a little while too, and for a bit they must have used the R.S.W. 16. Which to me is very strange because the R.S.W. 16 is the exact opposite of everything a police bicycle should be! Fast, light, agile.
the Michelin 16 x2.125 all white balloon tires I have don't fit in the R.S.W. 16. they hit the fenders. You have to stay with the tires they intended for it. 16 X 2

   RE:WANTED:   Parts quest posted by David on 4/2/2002 at 11:56:06 PM
Here's the fabled 28-hole Dynohub (NMA)http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1089873429

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Parts quest posted by Edward in Vancouver on 4/3/2002 at 12:32:33 AM
Thanks for all the leads, I'm following them up. Apparantly the dyno-hub on e-bay went for $90. Yipes! I do know such an animal as a 28 spoke dyno-hub does exist, bcause I've had it, laced to a steel 16'' wheel in my grubby little hands a few weeks ago. The owner of this one has a bike shop, but he's holding on to it, and I know better than to make an offer on it when he doesn't want to let it go.
I tend to treat this parts quest as a real quest, that is, a search that soaks up time and patience. Sometimes I think the longing and the plotting to get a certain part is sweeter than riding the bike with that part mounted on.
Regards, Edward in Vancouver

   RE:WANTED:   Parts quest posted by Sheldon Brown on 3/31/2002 at 8:16:39 PM
I would be very surprised if such a thing was ever made. Most Dynobubs are 32 hole, a few are 36 hole.

I stock 305 (16 x 1.75) aluminum rims in 36 hole. With the aluminum rim, your wheel with drum brake will probably weigh less than the original All-Steel unit. ;-)

Sturmey-Archer hub brakes are generally pretty poor with full-sized wheels, but with the small wheel I'd imagine it would work great.

Sheldon Brown
Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
Phone 617-244-9772, 617-244-1040 FAX 617-244-1041
http://harriscyclery.com
Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com






WANTED:   Brooks lady's saddle posted by: david on 3/28/2002 at 12:44:31 PM
Wanted: one useable condition leather Brooks lady's saddle or good condition Brooks mattress saddle. This is for a late 60's sports which is being given away as a wedding present. A quick transaction is desired. I'll pay for shipping.







FOR SALE:   Triumph Tenerife posted by: Jim on 3/27/2002 at 5:56:56 PM
Basic Raleigh Industries Lightweight, similar to any '70's Raleigh Sports in all respects except for lack of pump pegs. SA 3spd AW, green metallic, chrome mudguards, interesting abreviated chainguard, condition is 9/10. Frame recently waxed, all bearings repacked, all cables, brake calipers, and brake blocks were recently replaced with NOS. Brake blocks & calipers are Phillips Vox Populi. New generic blackwall tires. Brooks vinyl mattress saddle. Ready to ride. Please email for photos. $125 + shipping.







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Almighty Sterling posted by: Larry Osborn on 3/26/2002 at 8:50:17 PM
Just a question from the twilight zone. A friend accidentally acquired a couple 1920s (?) vintage Chinese 3-speeds as part of a deal for another bike(s), branded Almighty Sterling. Dead ringer for english 3-speeds of similar vintage. Has anybody ever heard of these or know anything about them? Yes, they/it will be looking for a home if one can be found.


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Almighty Sterling posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/3/2002 at 7:22:45 PM
Where is the factory and will they let me work there?
Put me in the press shop!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Almighty Sterling posted by Ian on 3/27/2002 at 8:52:08 AM
They still build them like that to this day. Just recently I received an unsolicited email catalogue from (if memory serves me correctly) "The Great China Bicycle Co" which still includes a DL1 type range. Unfortunately I have just discovered that I did not save the page correctly before deleting it from my mailbox (I'm a cyclist, not a bloody computor wizz!) so I cannot give you the web page.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Almighty Sterling posted by David on 3/27/2002 at 11:48:46 AM
Perfect if you want to buy a trailerload of bikes - with your logo on them!!! Try this url
http://great.chinabicycleguide.net/index.php
Pashley (www.pashley.co.uk) makes 'em too.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Almighty Sterling posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/27/2002 at 7:52:00 PM
I would buy a Pashley first before I would buy anything else.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Almighty Sterling posted by paul on 3/28/2002 at 2:48:44 AM
I recently bought a "Forever" 26 inch wheeled rod brake roadster with 21 inch frame, made in Shanghai sometime toward the end of the 90's It's very pretty dark green with lots of decals and handsome graphics. It is a three speed derailleur and the wheels are "raleigh" pattern befitting the rod brakes. I had to go over the entire bike and set it up properly. I only paid $25 for it as the stem was stripped but the bike had no mileage. However I was over exhuberant shifting to low one day and threw the chain into the spokes. I had wheel relaced (10 spokes) and a spoke guard installed, for $15 so I was relieved that the damage was not a total to the rear wheel. The ratios are very close. I like the bike but is in no way a DL-1. If it is treated respectfully it should last! thanks for listening!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Almighty Sterling posted by Mark R. on 3/29/2002 at 4:21:02 PM
I had a Forever last year, that I sold because it really was too small for me. I always felt that the Forever was a pretty decent bike, with a few minor exceptions: really bad pedals, a rotten poorly designed saddle. If you put on a good saddle, and pedals, and install a 3 sp. hub, they are not too far from the Raleighs. The sad thing is that if only Forever would simply make a few minor changes, they could have a top notch Raleigh replica. I kinda wish I still had mine. If it had had a 24 in. frame, I woulda kept it.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Almighty Sterling posted by Catfood Rob on 3/30/2002 at 10:43:01 AM
So did everybody who regularly visits old roads get that e-mail from the China Bike Co....????? Wondered where they`d got my address from.....

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Almighty Sterling posted by Stacey on 3/30/2002 at 11:01:12 AM
Dang Rob, I didn't get anything from CBC! I feel cheated, I didn't get any of their spam, spam, spam, spam, spam!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Almighty Sterling posted by David on 3/31/2002 at 12:08:53 AM
I assumed the Chinese email was from the addresses found here. Since their smallest order is for about a trailerload, I think their marketing people have their aim a little off.






AGE / VALUE:   How age is my Bike? posted by: Marcos Adriano on 3/25/2002 at 1:30:13 PM
I have a bike I believe was an Rudge bike. It have a sprocket with a hand and the serial number begins with AK, it is black painted and have rod brakes. I believe it was a Rudge bike because the hand on the sprocket where the pedals are connected.

Marcos Adriano







AGE / VALUE:   What Year My Bike Was Made? posted by: Mario Romano on 3/25/2002 at 1:22:04 PM
Hello friends, I have an Humber badged bike with rear and front 28" wheels, rod brakes and a tortioned spring saddle seat. It have a single tube on frame and his serial number begins with an BJ. It have an totally covered chain, by a chainguard painted in black, equal to those appear on this page when I search by Humber bikes. It have too three-speed on hub, the hub is marked "Hercules Cycles and Motors - Birmingham, England" and don't have any number for the year. This bike are here on Brazil, so I think it was an model for importation. Anybody could help me? I just need to know the era the bike was made and his possible value for sale. One more dubt, the end of the mudguards is painted in white, it is an original detail?

Thanks, Mario - Brazil


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What Year My Bike Was Made? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/27/2002 at 8:05:54 PM
The white painted mudguard is origonal. Many English bicycles have this feature!
I don't know about the exact year. One of my bikes has this prefix BJ. Look it up in the Raleigh serial number chart and see if that is there. A lot of bikes were made by Raleigh and it is not in the list somehow.

Hercules stoped making hubs before 1960 or 1962 at the very latest. These hubs have the old style threaded driver and these are solid hubs with internal parts being machined from solid steel. Does this have the double bladed Humber fork? Do you know what I go through to get my hands on these? It's aweful! Troubling and expensive. These 28 inch Humbers rarely show up on e- bay. I gave 350.00 for the last one and 425.00 for the one before that and I had to literally run after him because the 80 plus year old man was moving along in 3 rd gear.One of the things I most want to do in old bikes isd match up the Humber royal blue paint. That luscious blue- black sheen and have the whole bike painted by a pro and then gold box lining applied. OOH! YES!
Gather up all the 28 inch wheel double bladed fork bicycles you can. Raleigh imported these into your country and it sounds like you see a lot of really interesting bicycles in your part of the world. It's always great to hear what you have to say!






AGE / VALUE:    posted by: nick kowal on 3/25/2002 at 1:18:42 AM
i just found a neat old bike in a relatives garage. the maker is dunelt . i would like to find out the year made but i couldn't see anything on the bike. wheredo i look ? are bikes by this manufacturer worth anything ?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Warren on 3/25/2002 at 2:23:20 PM
Start at the top of this page for an introduction, re: SA hub dating. Type Dunelt into a search engine (www.google.com) and research the bike. Then you can get back with more specific questions. Dunelts, like most English roadsters, are not terribly valuable but they can be great, classic, usable bikes. I converted an old Dunelt frame and fork into a fixed gear club bike and it's my current daily rider.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dunelt posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/25/2002 at 3:23:26 PM
Warren is right. However a few 531 Reynolds frame bikes worth having are badged Dunelt. But most every Dunelt you see won't be anything but common city bikes with 20/30 carbon frames. Pick it up if it is cheap.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Mark R. on 3/25/2002 at 6:54:44 PM
Yeah, the value dollar-wise may not be great, but my brother had a Dunelt he converted to a single speed "beeter" bike which he rode to work, and school, and I thought it was a great old bike. My mom had a ladies "sports" Dunelt that was every bit as nice as a Raleigh. The tubular fork crown looked like a "D" which I always thought was cool.






AGE / VALUE:   sturmey hub posted by: freddie on 3/24/2002 at 9:36:24 PM
A few weeks ago I bought a nice schwinn corvette almost complet but the rear hub had been replaced with a coster brake one. I have the proper 3-speed sturmey hub but needed a shifter. 1955 type. I got a hub, shifter and cable with hangers from e bay. The seller said it came from a 1953 bike. The shifter ,hangers and cable are just what I need but the three speed hub is for a 40 spoke rim. I was told that this is for english bikes and I can't use it. It is in great condition. Under the name are the numbers 52 and 12. On the outside edge is 40. If anybody can use it I will take the best offer by the end of the week. I am willing to send it without payment first. If you like it then send a money order This web site has always been a great help and thank you all. Freddie


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   sturmey hub posted by hub on 3/24/2002 at 9:54:17 PM
PS It also has the letters A W under sturmey archer if that helps.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   5 speed posted by: Art on 3/23/2002 at 1:41:35 PM
Would someone explain this double shifter set up?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1814695757


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   5 speed -also, Repro Grips posted by Sheldon Brown on 3/23/2002 at 5:57:39 PM
That bike has a Sturmey-Archer S-5 five-speed hub, controlled by two cables.

Most of these bikes came with double shifters that mounted on the top tube, and look kinda like down-tube derailer shifters. The shifters are the weak point of the system, and it is common to replace them with a pair of 3-speed triggers. It's actually better to use some sort of derailer friction shifter on the left side.

This is basically a dual-range 3-speed. The trigger on the right shifts just like a 3-speed. The control on the left selects wide-range or narrow range. Since the middle gear of a standard 3-speed is direct drive, the position of the left lever has no effect on the middle gear.

When the left lever in one position, the right trigger selects gears # 1, 3 & 5. The other position of the left lever gives gears #2, 3, & 4.

See also: http://sheldonbrown.com/sturmey-archer.html

By the way, we just got in some wonderful repro handgrips, a very close replacement for the "Dare" grips used on most Raleighs of the '60s and '70s. See:

http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/tires.html

Sheldon "Used To Ride These A Lot" Brown

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   5 speed -also, Repro Grips posted by Sheldon Brown on 3/23/2002 at 5:58:14 PM
That bike has a Sturmey-Archer S-5 five-speed hub, controlled by two cables.

Most of these bikes came with double shifters that mounted on the top tube, and look kinda like down-tube derailer shifters. The shifters are the weak point of the system, and it is common to replace them with a pair of 3-speed triggers. It's actually better to use some sort of derailer friction shifter on the left side.

This is basically a dual-range 3-speed. The trigger on the right shifts just like a 3-speed. The control on the left selects wide-range or narrow range. Since the middle gear of a standard 3-speed is direct drive, the position of the left lever has no effect on the middle gear.

When the left lever in one position, the right trigger selects gears # 1, 3 & 5. The other position of the left lever gives gears #2, 3, & 4.

See also: http://sheldonbrown.com/sturmey-archer.html

By the way, we just got in some wonderful repro handgrips, a very close replacement for the "Dare" grips used on most Raleighs of the '60s and '70s. See:

http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/head.html#grips

Sheldon "Used To Ride These A Lot" Brown

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Raleigh's excellent finger grips are re- born at last! posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/23/2002 at 6:20:37 PM
Hot Dog! Look at that! They are! I have some origonals on my bikes that say Darf! Some must say dare too. These are faithful copies and so comfortable too!
Wow! Excellent! Thanks Sheldon!!
Now if they would just copy the hugemongeous, grey beefy "club grips" like on the older 1950's Raleigh's
I have bought whole bikes just for these old style, grey grips. The seller laughed heartily as I rush up and grabed those grips and held them! He knew he had me!
We be lucky that we have Sheldon!






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Vintage 4 spd Raleigh on Ebay posted by: Tom on 3/23/2002 at 2:23:09 AM
Here is another old Raleigh on ebay, nice 4 speed dyno hub on it. Too bad it is so far away. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1086440119