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Archived: English Roadsters







AGE / VALUE:   Near-mint men's DL-1 on eBay posted by: Kevin C on 4/27/2002 at 9:55:25 AM
Have you guys seen the super clean, tall frame, men's DL-1 that someone has listed on e-Bay? The bidding is up to $237 but the reserve hasn't been met yet. It's one of the DL-1s but still a really nice bike. It should be interesting to see what it finally brings. (I got my somewhat ratty one for 50 bucks.)


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Near-mint men's DL-1 on eBay posted by Mark R. on 4/27/2002 at 10:54:24 PM
WOW! This bike indeed has a 24 in. frame. It's a beauty too. He has a mint ladies just like it with a full chain case to boot. I have a mint New Old Stock mens model like this one, and I really love it. Someone should buy this one.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Near-mint men's DL-1 on eBay posted by Kevin C. on 4/27/2002 at 10:01:29 AM
Above should have said, "It's one of the LATER ones ..." Sorry!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Near-mint men's DL-1 on eBay posted by David on 4/27/2002 at 1:26:16 PM
url is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1096036650

It's no later than about 1970. It has the same lettering as my decrepit 1968 and doesn't say "Tourist" on the chainguard like the illustration in my 1975 catalog.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Near-mint men's DL-1 on eBay posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/27/2002 at 9:00:30 PM
Chainguard decal lettering should match the down tube lettering. Still, possibly origonal chainguard. It's clean and not missing rod brake pieces. A nice bike, too bad it's not a 24 inch frame.
No enclosed chaincase
no bell, no dynohub,no leather bags, no rear rack, no locking fork, no Lucas Odometer, basic model seat too.
First thing I would do, is raise that seat and see if I have a long post in it or not.

Now if I only could find a cotterless 7 series bottombracket spindle to fit one of these. I'll ask Sheldon.
I want to put a alloy cotterless crankset in one of mine.






MISC:   tyre supplier posted by: jp bingham on 4/27/2002 at 12:22:17 AM
help looking for a supplier of 28" tyres for a 1939 BSA mens bicycle
thanks in advance


   RE:MISC:   tyre supplier posted by David on 4/27/2002 at 1:28:56 PM
I got new Kendas last summer from a LBS in Texas. You might try emailing the Kenda web site for a dealer.

   RE:RE:MISC:   tyre supplier posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/27/2002 at 6:34:06 PM
E- mail Sheldon Brown or visit his web site. http://www.Sheldonbrown.com
he sells the basic black 28 X 1 1 /2 tires, and everybody here loves him because of the wide assortment of things he offers.

The more exotic, collectable, hard to find things require more looking about.
We just recently lost a real gem of a friend to us all. Mr. Pinkerton in England passed away and he sold hard- to- find tires. He was offering all white 28 inch tires that would have been awesome on your bike.
I don't know who is running things there now, that he's no longer with us. I believe he has a son and his wife is still with us too. Try e- mailing the Pinkerton Press and ask about getting tires shipped to you. Your basic tire can be bought thru Sheldon with a lot less hassle.






FOR SALE:   INCREDIBLE OFFER FOR COLLECTORS - NOS 1949 RALEIGH ROADSTER 3-SPEED posted by: Raymond Epson on 4/26/2002 at 10:06:42 PM
Dear Friends,

I have an incredible offer for english roadster collectors, I have on my hands an 1949 Raleigh Roadster on NOS condition. It's true, I have an 1949 Raleigh Roadster NOS for sale!!! It are packed, have an factory instruction booklet and it's importation guide (imported for brazilian market). It have an 3-speed Sturmey-Archer hub, rod brakes, double bars, 28 inch wheels and an totally cover chainguard. Unlostable! It's paint is still glaring as when it leaves the factory and have an polished metal name plate "Raleigh". His serial number is 700225 P. I answer any questions by e-mail and I ask US$ 900 by the bicycle. The bicycle itself warranty your satisfaction.

Raymond Epson


   RE:FOR SALE:   INCREDIBLE OFFER FOR COLLECTORS - NOS 1949 RALEIGH ROADSTER 3-SPEED posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/26/2002 at 10:29:14 PM
I gave $675.00 for mine. Yours is older, mine is a 1957.
They are so lovely when found in this condition. The Rod brake 28 inch wheel bikes have been so strange and varied I don't know what to say about the price you mention.
I hope you sell it for that. I would just keep it, but then again, I ain't you. Good Luck. Mine is hung up where I cannot possibly dent the fenders or enclosed chjainguard because if I did, I would be just heartsick.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   INCREDIBLE OFFER FOR COLLECTORS - NOS 1949 RALEIGH ROADSTER 3-SPEED posted by Chris on 4/27/2002 at 6:25:44 PM
Raymond, What size frame is this? 22 inches, 24, possibly a 26 possibly? even a 28 inch frame?
A double bar is great and seldom seen in many parts of the world. Measure it from the center of the pedal crank spindle up to the top of the tube where the seat post goes into.
A rare treat indeed. Take extra care to ship this, I would ship the wheels in a extra box.






AGE / VALUE:   COLLECTOR NEEDING URGENT HELP posted by: Mario Romano on 4/26/2002 at 9:51:13 PM
Hi Fellas,

I'm a beginner bicycle collector, so, I need a little help from my Oldroads friends. I thinking buy an old Raleigh bicycle for me (BC serial number), but, recently, I saw an old Hercules bicycle for sale (DU serial number). I ask about these bicycles, who is the best quality bicycle? have any kind of differences between them? The Hercules bicycle have an electric solder point at the lower frame tubes, it will make his value falls to the value of a simply old rust common bicycle, comprobating, the solder point, what that bicycle already was broken? How many percent of price decrease I could ask by an soldered Hercules bicycle? Why somebody don't put on the net an english roadsters price guide? That's all!

Thanks a lot and Good bye,

Mario Romano
Brazilian collector of english roadster bicycles
www.garfao.cjb.net





   RE:AGE / VALUE:   COLLECTOR NEEDING URGENT HELP posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/27/2002 at 7:05:59 PM
Save the Hercules 3 speed hub with the threaded driver. If you cannot haggle him down to something youre willing to give, than skip over this one.
This could be anything, You need to better describe this bike for us. Hercules made a lot of things, they were huge! I really shouldn't say anything until you provide more details. Look for the Hercules Herraileur derailer!
I envy you! You sound like you are in a part of the planet where you are finding cool things worth having!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   COLLECTOR NEEDING URGENT HELP posted by Chris on 4/27/2002 at 8:31:03 PM
If it's been welded or repaired it's only worth it for parts. Then you have to evaluate the parts value. Keep looking






MISC:   Just Visiting posted by: Bruce on 4/26/2002 at 1:05:01 AM
I've made a lot of changes in the last year as far as my cycling goes. Last year I rode my 58 Superbe 4 speed on my first long ride, the MS 150. Going slow and steady I finished the two day event and decided that as much as I loved my old bike it wasn't the best choice for a ride of that distance. I sold my superbe to a man that was in the process of moving from south Texas to somewhere in Kansas I think he said he was headed. I now am training to ride the MS 150 from Frisco Tx to Ardmore Ok the 4th and 5th of May. This is a great ride if anybody is interested. I sold all of my Brit bikes and now ride a 7500 Trek hybrid. I enjoy all the gears and love the bike, but I'll always have a spot for that old Raleigh. Raoul if you read this and ever decide to part with that bike, please let me know, i regret ever selling it. I always imagined who the previous owners were and all the places it may of been etc. Now I'm starting to ramble, so must go. Anyway I still enjoy reading the English Roadster section from time to time. Happy Trails to all from Texas







MISC:   hike bike run posted by: rickey@knowlesbicycle334-756-7561 on 4/25/2002 at 8:11:26 PM
THE 26th ANNUAL HIKE/BIKE/RUN WILL BE HELD ON SATURDAY may 4 in valley THE annually fund raiser for valley haven school for the handicaped ..WE EXPECT A LARGE GATHERING THIS YEAR ...THERE WILL BE MANY CYCLRIST RIDEING BACK FROM MONTGOMERY'S CAPITAL 100 MILES--A 22 MILE-- 11 MILE 5 MILE RIDERS WALKERS RUNNERS ALL AGES MOTER SCOOTERS TO -- AND I PERSONALY INVITE YOU TO JOIN US THIS YEAR MAY 4 HERE IN VALLEY AL. WERE ON THE BORDER GA & AL INTERSTATE 85 AT THE VALLEY LANNETT KING FORD EXIT TAKE FOB JAMES DR. TO FAIRFAX BYPAS THE SCHOOL'S ON THE RIGHT 1 HALF MILE THIS IS WHERE ALL THE EVENTS BEGAN & END EXCEPT THE 100 MILE RIDE WHICH ENDS AT THE KROGER GRO.IN LANNETT AL.THERE WILL BE A AUCTION WHERE ALL DONATED ITEMS WILL BE SOLD TO RAISE MONEY FOR VALLEY HAVEN SCHOOL GOD BLESS PLEASE COME PARTICIPATE YOU MAY CALL THE SCHOOL AT 334-7562868 OR 334-756-7801 OR US HERE AT KNOWLES BICYCLE SHOP 334-756-7561 TUNE YOUR BIKE & RIDE SAT. MAY 4 2002 IN VALLYE AL.YOUR PLEDGES ARE WELCOMED


   RE:RE:MISC:   hike bike run posted by Edward in Vancouver on 4/26/2002 at 11:58:21 PM
...An outstretched, rain soaked hand is gestured in Vancouver....






AGE / VALUE:   1965-ish Drake... anyone know about these bikes? posted by: Bo Williams on 4/25/2002 at 4:46:01 PM
I just picked up a mid 60's Drake 3-spd (pics are up at http://www.bowms.org/drake/) and was just curious as to the background info on this bike. It's made in India, but in many ways resembles the classic English 3-speed roadsters. I can't find any info on Drake online... anyone know about this company? Any juicy history on their bikes?

Bo


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1965-ish Drake... anyone know about these bikes? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/25/2002 at 9:06:36 PM
Sheldon Brown mentions Drake in the English bicycles section at his web page. Go to http://www.Sheldonbrown.com and poke about until you see it.
So Drake made it to India huh? Interesting!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1965-ish Drake... anyone know about these bikes? posted by Bo Willams on 4/26/2002 at 2:51:05 PM
Hmmm... poked around a lot (very interesting site) but no mention of the Drake company that I could find, even with the search tool! Hmm. I'd love to find out more about this bike- I actually bought it freshly assembled from its original box! That's right- it sat in somone's attic from the mid-60s until the day I bought it. So, needless to say, it's pretty interesting to me and I'm trying to find out all I can about it. It's a great ride too.






FOR SALE:   SHIMANO 333 GEAR STICK FOR SALE posted by: English Lord on 4/24/2002 at 11:35:37 PM
Hi Pals!

I have an Shimano 333 Gear Stick for sale! It need some minor repairs, but it works! I don't know the price of that stuff, anybody could make offers?

English Lord







MISC:   Points of English Roadster Who Could Break Easily... posted by: English Lord on 4/24/2002 at 11:28:56 PM
Hi Pals,

I maked a little list of every points of all easy-to-break points on old english roadster bicycles. It was fieldly tested!

FIRST POINT: TWIN-BLADED FORKS, EVERYWHERE
SECOND POINT: BEGINING OF THE LOWER TWO REAR END TUBES
THIRD POINT: AXIS CLAMPING FORK ON FORKS LOWER END
FOURTH POINT: JOINING OF THE UPPER FRAME BAR

He, he, he, their points, broken, makes your bike values the same thing as a pineapple!

English Lord


   RE:MISC:   Points of English Roadster Who Could Break Easily... posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/24/2002 at 11:41:58 PM
I want those broken twin bladed forks. E- mail me
ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com

   RE:MISC:   Points of English Roadster Who Could Break Easily... posted by Geoff Rogers on 4/26/2002 at 5:22:02 PM
Jeepers! I never knew my bikes were so subject to breakage. Have other people had these experiences? I have never known a British bike frame to break, but who am I, anyway? On the other hand, I have seen an awful lot of Columbias, Huffys, Murrays and so on that snapped when subjected to misuse, such as being ridden on by a person.
Geoff

   RE:RE:MISC:   Points of English Roadster Who Could Break Easily... posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/26/2002 at 7:37:14 PM
Where and what exactly was broken. I did bend a steer tube on one of my Humbers but I had it replaced. The Humber double blade fork is made so a repair can be done unlike the Raleigh Fork.






AGE / VALUE:   Anybody Could Help Me With The Year? posted by: Mario Romano on 4/24/2002 at 11:23:39 PM
Hello fellas,

I have an old bicycle, it is an Hercules english roadster. Well, I have it's serial number on hand, anybody could help me? Just tell me the year it was manufacturer. The serial number begins with DU letters. A soldering on the frame make the value of a bicycle reach the value of an simply used bicycle?

p.s.: my bicycle is a single speed Hercules, it have no Sturmey-Archer hub.

Thanks a lot,

Mario Romano
brazilian english roadsters collector


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Anybody Could Help Me With The Year? posted by Warren on 4/25/2002 at 2:21:02 AM
Hi Mario...there are very few records of serial numbers for any of the old english bike manufacturers except for Raleigh of course. If you can't identify the date using a Sturmey hub then it is very difficult if not impossible to give an accurate date for many brands of bikes. Then you start making educated guesses by comparing parts, accessories, tires, grips, pedals, rims and materials and comparisons with other known models. This takes time and patience and pictures...detailed pictures. Sometimes it's easier to generalize...a 50's Humber...a 60's Rudge etc. Good luck.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Superbe 1974 Ladies posted by: Beth on 4/24/2002 at 9:07:51 PM
This bike is like new, stored in a dry garage for all these years with little use. Beautiful avocado green /original everything from brookes seat to generator light on front and back. Raleigh tires and matching rear carrrier.
Yours for 250US + shipping or best offer. photos available by e-mail







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gettin' in the 3-speed groove... posted by: Mark Rehder on 4/24/2002 at 6:07:13 AM
Hello all,

My current Brit fleet consists of a '73 Raleigh Sports in decent, more-or-less original condition, and a '72 Twenty folder in its beautiful bronze / green paint and lettering. The Twenty is awaiting an overhaul, but the Sports is now seeing active duty as my short-trip bike (my main ride is actually a Linear recumbent). I replaced the rear 18T cog with a 20T, and this has allowed me to get my cadence up to a reasonable level while cruising in 2nd gear (high gear usually just gets used on downward grades). I like this old tank, and between the lower psi tires and mattress saddle I'm a little slower, but definitely more comfy!

Yesterday I rescued a department store 3-speed from being tossed into a construction dumpster. It had been chained to the fence of a now-being-developed vacant lot for the past year, and I have often walked by that bike, wondering if it was salvageable. When I asked one of the construction guys about it, he cut it away from the fence and I took it home. The amazing thing is that after sitting out all this time (and through a Canadian winter!), the ' 72 SA hub still shifts just fine, the brakes work, and it'd probably ride just great if I put air in the tires and replaced the seat (which is completely shot), and perhaps oiled the chain up.

My query: This bike has an Eaton's (major Cdn. retailer) badge and name on it, but the pointy front fender is identical to the one on my Sports. What exactly are these re-badged bikes? Were they built by Raleigh, who would then happily put your name on it if you ordered enough units? Or are they part-Raleigh, part-something else?

I volunteer at a local bike co-op, so I'll either overhaul this bike and donate it there, or at the very least I'll have a bunch of replacement parts for my Sports.

Apologies for the slightly long-winded post, and thanks for any background on re-badged Raleighs!

Cheers,
Mark



   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gettin' in the 3-speed groove... posted by Dale on 4/24/2002 at 4:10:05 PM
Nice combo of bikes. I ride my Vision for distance and my Superbe for around town.

I've often wondered, if somebody in England made a recumbent in the 60s, what would it be like? I can imagine a long wheelbase lugged frame, AW/Dynohub, probably a slung canvas seat. I bet Alec Moulton toyed with the idea. Can't picture it with a chain case, though...

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gettin' in the 3-speed groove... posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/24/2002 at 5:27:02 PM
The Canadian bikes are a strange mix between English Raleigh types and Canadian. Canada was a huge source for English parts. HUGE
Wiggle your fingers and run thru the shops, look for what I and others might have missed. Raleigh had a large factory in Canada. Raleigh of Canada assembled( possibly made) bikes for Canada. With kit of parts from England.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gettin' in the 3-speed groove... posted by Paul on 4/24/2002 at 7:23:50 PM
Wow...another recumbent/English roadster type; is it a pattern? My stable has a '00 Rans Stratus, '98 BikeE CT, '61 Hercules Sport Roadster, and '75 Raleigh Twenty. paul

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gettin' in the 3-speed groove... posted by Paul on 4/24/2002 at 7:24:13 PM
Wow...another recumbent/English roadster type; is it a pattern? My stable has a '00 Rans Stratus, '98 BikeE CT, '61 Hercules Sport Roadster, and '75 Raleigh Twenty. paul

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gettin' in the 3-speed groove... posted by Edward inVancouver on 4/24/2002 at 11:38:40 PM
Mark: Take a look at the headbadge if it's still there. If the badge says "Glider" and is held with copper rivets it's most likely a Raleigh. I'm pretty sure Raleigh made Gliders for Eatons in the late '50's to early '60's If the front fork drop-outs are nice and not the cheap stamped kind, and if the BB has 26 tpi threading, its an English Raleigh.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gettin' in the 3-speed groove... posted by Bill Putnam on 4/25/2002 at 1:57:23 PM
Sheldon Brown's page on Raleighs http://www.sheldonbrown.com/raleigh.html incicates that the forged fork ends were used up until about 1962. After this the British built Raleigh Sports had stamped fork ends. So stamped fork ends on a ca. '72 bike do not necessarily mean that it is not British Raleigh-built. Also, I have an India built Drake which is a Raleigh Sports copy, and it too has 26 tpi threading on the bb and headset. The older style forged fork ends are much more attractive than the stamped style, it's unfortunate how Raleigh slowly reduced the quality of their bikes starting in the 60's.

Bill Putnam

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gettin' in the 3-speed groove... posted by Mark Rehder on 4/25/2002 at 6:00:49 PM
Yes indeed, it's an Eaton's Glider, and it does have the nameplate and rivets as Edward describes. Once I take it apart I'll find out about the BB threading, but in most aspects it certainly does resemble my Sports (and the tires are 26x 1 3/8). I didn't know Raleigh had such a huge prescence in Canada, but it's understandable since we were one of the "colonies" for so long. I believe the largest maker up here was CCM, which (like Raleigh in England) had gobbled up smaller bike companies over the years. I've heard that there was a book published on the Cdn. cycling industry, and I'm sure Raleigh would be discussed in such a thing, so I'll see if I can track it down.

I live in Ottawa (the Ottawa Bike Club is the oldest one in Canada, founded in 1882!), and I'm sure some of the older shops here have older inventory I can ask about, as Christopher suggests. I'll see what I can find in my travels! One local shop I patronize has a resident internal hub expert. He has opened up and rebuilt lots of AW and other hubs. His partner just showed me his latest find: a NOS S-A 3-speed tob tube shifter that looks like an automotive shifter! (No, it's not for sale...)

Cheers, Mark

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gettin' in the 3-speed groove... posted by Tom on 4/26/2002 at 1:13:43 AM
Mark, Most of the older Eatons bikes were made in England. I have a 1930's mens 28" Eatons Glider that is made in England on all the parts even the frame. Very nice original bike, even the original whitewall T. Eatons tires. I have a 1930's ladies 28" Robert Simpsons Co Roamer all British made got it from the same guy who had the 1930's Eatons bike. He bought them both new . Also a mid 60's ladies 26" 3 spd Eatons Glider all British (Raleigh)parts. My neighbor had a 1951 Raleigh 28" with drum brakes bought at Eatons when new. I have a mens 28" 1930's Hudsons Bay Co Ltd Airflite made with British parts. Also a 1940's 28" Cadet Made in Canada on the headbadge but mostly British parts. A lot of the bikes I find are made with British parts but have the Canadian size rims. CCM 's are plentifull here in Winnipeg. Sturmey Archer hubs were a dealer installed option on the older CCM bikes. All CCM bikes are Canadian made. Being a British colony our department stores did buy a lot of bikes in England.






MISC:   A Dubt on Tires and How Old is My Bike? posted by: Mario Romano on 4/24/2002 at 12:42:59 AM
Hello Friends,

I have a little question about tires rims and their sizes. I have an old Rudge badged bike with 26x1 1/2 rims and I want to fit it with whitewall tires, but here on my city the sellers just sell whitewall tires for 26x2 rims. Dubt: Can I fit my 26x1.1/2 rim with 26x2 tires? Another, my bicycle serial number begins with BC letters, what is it's manufacture year? It haven't Sturmey hub or anyone else.

Thanks!

Romano


   RE:MISC:   A Dubt on Tires and How Old is My Bike? posted by Bill Putnam on 4/25/2002 at 2:18:56 PM
Romano,

The most important dimension is the diameter of the rim where the tire bead sits. See Sheldon Brown's article on tire sizing http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire_sizing.html
There are many tires designated 26", but at least 4 different rim sizes within this. The 26 X 1 1/2 designation could refer to the French 650B or possibly the Canadian ISO 571 size. Your tires may be 650B (584 mm ISO) which is not common. There is a society for keeping the 650 B size in use. See http://www.cyclos-cyclotes.org/650/index_ang.html
for their web site. If the tires currently on your bike have an ISO size printed on them, and the 26 X 2 tires have an ISO size, then you can be sure whether or not they will fit. One common problem in the US is people who but a 26 X 1 3/8" 590 mm tire and try to put it on an old Schwinn 26 X 1 3/8" S-6 597 mm rim. This does not work, and can result in a bent rim and damaged tire (I know this from personal experience early in my bicycle wrenching "career").

I have no info on Rudge serial #'s

Good luck,

Bill






FOR SALE:   Old Schwinn and Raleigh dealer Open House - 28-APR-02 posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 4/23/2002 at 3:50:54 PM

THIS WEEKEND!! 28-APR-02 THIS WEEKEND!!

Ray's Cyclery (Maynard Massachusetts) is having a Vintage Bicycle sale on Sunday, April 28, 2002.
They are placing all of their new bikes downstairs and filling their shop floor with original Sting-Rays, Cycle Trucks, motorized bicycles, ballooners, European and English lightweights and other great vintage bicycles.
They've been a Schwinn/Raleigh dealership since 1969 and have some great bikes.
Click on the ad above for directions, pictures and more information.

-Vin
VVVintage Vintage Bicycles
http://OldRoads.com







FOR SALE:   2 DL1 Roadsters posted by: Jim on 4/23/2002 at 2:27:22 PM
For sale two Raleigh DL 1 roadsters
1. 1971 Complete except fenders. Decent condition. Good chrome with some wear marks on rear rim. Ridable. $150 plus $45 shipping
2. 1965 Complete except fenders. Forks are bent. Some rust on chrome, some of which will clean. $100 plus $45 shipping.
Photos at http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/mvc-003f.jpg
and http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/mvc-005f.jpg
Possible delivery or pickup in central NH.
Email if you cannot get to the photos or for additional photos.

thanks Jim