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Archived: English Roadsters







WANTED:   fender posted by: wes on 5/13/2002 at 1:20:17 AM
looking for front fender for a raleigh sprite its burgandy
but take any color
thanks wes







MISC:   Japan built commuter bike wheels posted by: Robert on 5/13/2002 at 12:12:41 AM
I am looking at a commuter bike that came from Japan. Decent price and pretty unique looking. Single speed, rod brakes, rim type brake front with drum rear, Stainless fenders. 26" wheels front and rear.It uses an odd tire that completely encircles the tube. No rim liner necessary because the TIRE protects the tube from the spoke nipples. My question is can you use some thing other than a drop center rim with rod brakes. I would like to lace conventional steel 26" MTB rims to these wheels . Is the drop center necessary to keep brake pads from getting tangled up in the spokes ? I have never messed with rod brake equipped bikes before . Any help here appreciated.

Thanks


   RE:MISC:   Japan built commuter bike wheels posted by sam on 5/13/2002 at 7:07:55 AM
First question is why would you want to change wheels?And second how about rod brake 26x1&3/4 wheels --sam






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Age/value posted by: Joe Zimmermann on 5/12/2002 at 11:14:54 PM
Hello, looking to find info on Raleigh bike. Coludn't find my serial # on the list. Mine is 488151P. It's a female bike with Sturmey Archer 3sp internal gear with rod breaks. " The All Steel Bicycle" original dunlop roadster tires (26x1 3/8)which still hold air. Bell, light, locking fork, Bluemel's pump, ladies B66 Brooks seat and touring bag. Very good paint, rear tail light lense missing, still has bulb. Looking to know value and year made and any other info. Thanks Joe


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Age/value posted by Warren on 5/13/2002 at 12:19:22 AM
Go to http://www.speakeasy.org/'tabula/raleigh/raleigh-age.html. It looks like a '47-48 to me. What is the date stamp on the SA hub. Read the post below this one.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Age/value posted by Edward in Vancouver on 5/13/2002 at 12:41:54 AM
The Raleigh "Superbe" models came equipped with B66 saddles, locking forks, and a dynohub, either an AG (3 speed combined with dyno-hub) or a GH6, a front hub dynamo hub. Sounds like you've got a real good find there






AGE / VALUE:   Hercules age? posted by: neile on 5/12/2002 at 10:52:19 PM
Hi!
I was given a Hercules bike today by my neighbor who had it lying chained to a tree for the past few years (it had been left by previous tenents). I had told her I wanted a bike to ride to work and the beach. Incredibly it is in great shape! It has 26" wheels, a Sturmey-Archer AW 3-speed hub, and what looks like an original leather Brooks saddle (It looks really old). The fenders, the handle bars, and chain guard are all chrome. The paint is forest green with four chrome/silver tape stripes on the seat tube. There is also a sticker on the chainguard that says "American Machine and Foundry". The chainguard has "Hercules" painted on it with beige paint. The head tube has the Hercules name plate with Made in Nottingham, England. So.......
I'm new to this vintage bike thing (I also an avid mountain biker), can anyone tell me how old this bike is? I've been looking for information on the web for the past few hours and can find nothing. I'm glad I found this site.
Take care, Neile Jane :)


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules age? posted by Warren on 5/13/2002 at 12:05:04 AM
Have a look at the SA hub...it has a month and date stamp, ie: 10 68...or October of 1968. It is likely your bike was assembled not long after that. If you want the whole skinny, read the archives here and go to http://www.sheldonbrown.com/english-3.html for a definitive primer.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules age? posted by Ed on 5/13/2002 at 3:04:41 PM
The year of mfg.should be embossed on your 3 speed SA hub.The fact that your headbadge indicates Notingham tells us that your bike was manufactured after 1960,the year that Raleigh acquired Hercules.
I've had good luck with my Hercules. Good luck with yours.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules age? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/13/2002 at 8:32:54 PM
My Dunelt has the A.M.F. sticker on it's chainguard.






MISC:   Firestone 3 speed posted by: Phil Randall on 5/12/2002 at 9:18:49 PM
Hello,
Yesterday I picked up a 3 speed bicycle with a Firestone headbadge. It also says Volks-cycle and vagabond in smaller letters. I don't think that it is English made and it has a Shimano 3 speed hub. I was just curious if anyone might know what company manufactured it. So anyone ever hear of a bike like this??







FOR SALE:   Some great Brit bike bits. Closes soon so check it out now. posted by: Ray on 5/12/2002 at 3:46:34 PM
Here is some very unusual Bluemels fenders and some older vintage pumps. You really have to see these to believe them.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1827075313

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1827082202

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1827085355

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2102370053

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2102379412







AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist posted by: Andrew on 5/10/2002 at 11:26:25 PM
Are there any production numbers of the Dl-1 through the 60's and 70's....and what precentage were sold in the United States?







AGE / VALUE:   PHILLIPS FEMALE BICYCLE posted by: Mario Romano on 5/10/2002 at 10:33:44 PM
Hello,

What is the difference (on selling value) for an old Phillips female model to an equally old Raleigh male model? It's true Phillips made bicycles near of the bottom of the quality range? I heard about it at Sheldom Brown's homepage at Harris Ciclery. Grading the quality of Hercules, Raleigh, Humber, Phillips and Triumph, which notes (saying it in matter of general quality) experts attribute for every company? What is the differential of quality between Humbers and Raleighs? An repainted Raleigh, according to the original specifications, could be prized as "NOS" or "MINT". I could ask, if I sell my originally repainted Raleigh (considering another things except paintwork as in very good condition) the price according with the price of an excellent shape never repainted bicycle? Why someone doesn't post a new topic telling us an easy way for to evaluate old english roadsters?

Thanks a lot,

Mario Romano
Brazilian Amateur Collector Wanting to Learn MORE!

p.s.I elaborated an Monark Barra Circular evaluation guide with the prices in brazilian money, the Real (R$). 1 dollar is something like R$ 2.50.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PHILLIPS FEMALE BICYCLE posted by Warren on 5/11/2002 at 4:40:47 PM
Phillips are equal to Raleighs in most cases. A repainted frame is NOT NOS or MINT...no, nada, niente, nyet, never. That is restored or just repainted. It will not get as much value as a new bike. Even new, these bikes don't get huge sums of money.

Mario...it is hard to generalize prices on these bikes and you seem very concerned about value. If you want to learn more, I very seriously suggest to read the entire archives, here on VVVintage, about english roadsters. This will tell you a great deal.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   PHILLIPS FEMALE BICYCLE posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/11/2002 at 6:07:05 PM
I agree.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   PHILLIPS FEMALE BICYCLE posted by Kevin C. on 5/11/2002 at 7:29:11 PM
Me, too. Repainted bikes have no appeal to me. Originality is usually the key to value, from what I've seen.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: PHILLIPS FEMALE BICYCLE posted by bill on 5/13/2002 at 2:33:00 PM
Not sure where you heard Phillips are of inferior quality.
Collect them myself, ww2 and back. they are very well made. There may be some confusion as that company was bought by Raliegh and now Phillips is used as a name by an Indian company. Not sure of the quality of thier bicycles.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: PHILLIPS FEMALE BICYCLE posted by Chris on 5/13/2002 at 9:04:10 PM
Phillips advertized that their bikes were "True Temper Steel"

Phillips made nice machines.

   Phillips models after 1960 posted by David Poston on 5/17/2002 at 5:56:23 PM
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing about that 1969 Phillips female model. I read on Sheldon Brown's page that after 1960, Phillips was acquired by Raleigh, and after that Phillips-brand bikes were on the bottom of the quality range. Anyone care to comment on Phillips bikes post-1960?

Thanks,
David






AGE / VALUE:   Dunelt camelback kids bike with 26 X 1 3/8 inch wheels posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/10/2002 at 6:24:52 PM
These cordless screwdrivers work great when working on these English bikes. I got a good look at the Sturmey-Archer
T.C.W. mark 3 hub since I was removing it and putting in a regular A.W. with a cyclo cog. Ugh! I don't like this model coaster brake hub. I pulled it out of the rim since I want to use the rim again. I kept it in a bucket for parts.
Scarry that this kids bike had no rear brake and a coaster brake hub of this caliber. The brake leaver for the front looks cheap and unsafe and so I improved that too.
I added a rear rack, a cyclo cog, shifter, Alvit derailer, new cables, changed it from white to grey housing, greased everything. New bearings, replaced races, greased. The white handlebar grip came unglued and that was unsafe! I switched to grey grips that are securely on the handlebars. Now as soon as I get into the bottom braket I'll change the spindle and then go to cotterless cranks. Dang, I be changing the whole thing it looks like! The chrome glistens. Oh yes,Now there are reflectors all over it. Thus I changed the pedals too. No reflective pedals on a kids bike from 1963? What's up with that? Front axle nuts are now serrated captive washer type as are the rear 3 speed washers that have serrated teeth to grip the frame droupout. I noticed the rear spokes with the T.C.W. MARK 3 were thicker. good thing, still it's a retired hub. Tires, tubes, new axle cones also. A lot of work. The seat post was really small so I droped in a long one. Leather Brooks now, the matching red vinal one is in the box with other seats. The handlebars were too wide and the handlebar stem was too short. Changed those as well. I love these bikes.







AGE / VALUE:   URGENT QUESTION ON HUMBER BICYCLES posted by: Mario Romano on 5/9/2002 at 5:42:17 PM
Recently I heard from an old man on my city who an unknown person owns an Humber bicycle who is different from any other I heard or saw. It's bicycle appears to be an model destinated for childrem use, with black paintwork, rod brakes, cottered cranks, Humber name plate and 20" inches wheel!!! I seriously doubted these affirmation from the old man, because I ever heard about it. I ask, so, for the friends of mine from Oldroads.com if an Humber badged 20" inches wheels and rod brakes bicycle is an real Humber bicycle or a fake copy? Does Humber done these 20" inches bicycles? How rare it is? How it's market value? I ask it about Humber because the bike have an Humber name plate, it's possible it be an fake copy?

Thanks a lot,

Mario Romano
Brazilian Begginer Collector


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   URGENT QUESTION ON HUMBER BICYCLES posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/9/2002 at 8:23:09 PM
I don't see why not the Humber name and badge could have been put on a children's bike. They did this all the time.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   URGENT QUESTION ON HUMBER BICYCLES posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/9/2002 at 8:33:54 PM
What is the going rate for a Raleigh Winkie tricycle? Same value, in there probably. What is the condition?






AGE / VALUE:   URGENT QUESTION ON HUMBER BICYCLES posted by: Mario Romano on 5/9/2002 at 5:42:17 PM
Recently I heard from an old man on my city who an unknown person owns an Humber bicycle who is different from any other I heard or saw. It's bicycle appears to be an model destinated for childrem use, with black paintwork, rod brakes, cottered cranks, Humber name plate and 20" inches wheel!!! I seriously doubted these affirmation from the old man, because I ever heard about it. I ask, so, for the friends of mine from Oldroads.com if an Humber badged 20" inches wheels and rod brakes bicycle is an real Humber bicycle or a fake copy? Does Humber done these 20" inches bicycles? How rare it is? How it's market value? I ask it about Humber because the bike have an Humber name plate, it's possible it be an fake copy?

Thanks a lot,

Mario Romano
Brazilian Begginer Collector







FOR SALE:   RUDGE CLUB MODIFIED TO LOWRIDER posted by: Earl Lee Garvin - The Concrete King on 5/9/2002 at 5:26:38 PM
Hello Buddies,

I've and I want to sell an Rudge Club, 1952 model, modified to lowrider by myself. It have an all new coaster brake, double reinforced chromed steel spokes, blue anodized aluminum rims and 26x1.95 whitewall tires all new. It's ol'but it works well! Da paint I performed a big good work, with glare black frame and fenders, and glare white frame joints (don'smk it!). I put green dices as valvecaps so it's breathes equals to L.A. buddies lowrider bikes! Isn't too much, but I asking US$ 55 by da'bike! Anybody wants to trade?

EARL LEE GARVIN, AKA "MECHANIC BULL EARL"
CONCRETE, WASHINGTON - U.S.A. WITH PRIDE!!!


   RE:FOR SALE:   RUDGE CLUB MODIFIED TO LOWRIDER posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/9/2002 at 8:26:04 PM
My stomach, my head, I don't feel so well.
Have fun with your creation! Everybody is diffrent. Excuse me, URRP, OOH!

   RE:FOR SALE:   RUDGE CLUB MODIFIED TO LOWRIDER posted by Albert on 5/10/2002 at 3:04:32 PM
Dear Earl lee, welcome to the site! With a style like yours I'm sure that you'll fit right in with Stacey, Warren, etc.

I am quite prepared to pay as much $2.50 for your bike. Should you accept my offer and agree to pay shipping costs, upon receipt of the bike I promise to immediatly take it to an auto crusher and put it out of its missery. Cheers!

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   RUDGE CLUB MODIFIED TO LOWRIDER posted by Dewane on 5/10/2002 at 4:18:28 PM
I know many places in San Jose where this bicycle would be loved and accepted. However, I don't think this is the correct forum for this. Please don't judge the members of this forum by the previous poster, most of us aren't complete jackasses (most of the time).

I even know a place in San Jose that specializes in low riders, Faber's Cyclery http://www.sjunderbelly.com/unbelly/Sanjose/Monterey/fabers.html

Have fun with your bike. If you enjoy it that's all that matters.

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   RUDGE CLUB MODIFIED TO LOWRIDER posted by chris on 5/10/2002 at 6:21:51 PM
What we are saying is, we like the bikes the way they were made and sold the first time it was new. Kinda purist group here.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   RUDGE CLUB MODIFIED TO LOWRIDER posted by Mark R. on 5/10/2002 at 6:59:14 PM
Albert, I usually don't agree with you on certain topics as you well know, but I have to say I'm in total agreement on this one :-)

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   RUDGE CLUB MODIFIED TO LOWRIDER posted by Jon on 6/1/2005 at 5:26:55 PM
I keep it real son!
by: 69.107.33.193






MISC:   LOOSE COTTERED CRANKS posted by: Mario Romano on 5/8/2002 at 11:57:11 PM
I have a serious problem with the cottered cranks of an Rudge bicycle I own, it's loose and I couldn't tight it again, doesn't interesting how many I tight it's screw. Maybe I must to replace the cranks? Just replacing the left crank will solve the problem?


   RE:MISC:   LOOSE COTTERED CRANKS posted by Dale on 5/9/2002 at 2:31:08 AM
You MUST drive the pins in with a hammer. Tightening the nut isn't going to do the job.

Don't just hammer on them, though, back them up with something. Have a friend hold the bike so the crank is resting on an anvil or workbench. Another way is to make a backup block out of an 11" (28CM) block of wood with a 1/2" (12mm) hole near one edge. This is just long enough for adult bikes to rest the crank on the block while you hammer the pin in, and can be done single-handed with a little practice.

   RE:MISC:   LOOSE COTTERED CRANKS posted by David on 5/9/2002 at 10:48:35 AM
If you can find (or improvise) a cotter press to push them in gently, you will avoid the danger of bending the spindle or damaging the bearings or races. Any well-equipped shop dealing with old bikes should have one. (I think Harris Cyclery still has them among their web-site-listed products.)

   RE:RE:MISC:   LOOSE COTTERED CRANKS posted by Jeff R on 5/9/2002 at 11:37:06 AM
Make sure that your cotters are not worn. If the flats have a wear line or a step on it you need to replace them.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   LOOSE COTTERED CRANKS posted by rickey@knowles bicycle shop on 5/9/2002 at 5:29:53 PM
by all means replace the pin there are several sizes so take the pin or the bike to your local shop to get a new one most of the time that's all that is wrong with it .

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   LOOSE COTTERED CRANKS posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/9/2002 at 8:28:52 PM
Are there used bookstores in your area? Go to a used bookstore and read up on bicycle repair. In the bicycle, motorcycle, transportation section. Just do it, trust me!

   RE:MISC:   LOOSE COTTERED CRANKS posted by Ray on 5/9/2002 at 9:11:34 PM
I have done this a few times. When you cannot tighten it any longer the pin is worn. Do not hammer it as you will only make things worse. These can be hard to remove but remove the nut and gently using a block of wood or a plastic hammer try to strike it out. If it is stuck take it to a bike shop that has a pin removal tool and they will remove it. You will need a new pin and that is only a couple of bucks. You should probably replace both as it is a cheap date and will solve your problem. If you do it yourself you do need to bring the old pin in to get a new one as there are several different types of pins and they all look the same to the casual repair person.

   RE:RE:MISC:   LOOSE COTTERED CRANKS posted by Chris on 5/11/2002 at 7:03:36 PM
Sheldon Brown has a excellent article abut dealing with cottered botombracket cranks.
http://www.Sheldonbrown.com






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   New marque (for me) posted by: Warren on 5/8/2002 at 11:31:31 PM
Just found a new one...a Caballier. Well made...not a Raleigh brand. The headbadge shows a "swashbuckling" dude...a caballero? Anyway it has a '59 AW, mudguards and chainguard, oil ports on the BB and front generic hub, wheels are 32/40 EA3s, nice black and white Wrights mattress saddle with matching touring bag... too bad about the black rust-paint.







AGE / VALUE:   Phillips catalog posted by: Bob on 5/8/2002 at 8:11:37 AM
Anyone know where I could find a Phillips bicycle catalog circa late 1960s or early 1970s? Post reply or email me. Thanks much.