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Archived: English Roadsters







MISC:   THREE SPEED, ONLY TWO FUNCTIONAL posted by: Mario Romano on 8/22/2002 at 8:20:28 PM
I have an three-speed Humber and after many tunes on the gearshift cable and screw, I only could clamp two of the three gears. What's going on?


   RE:MISC:   THREE SPEED, ONLY TWO FUNCTIONAL posted by Jeff R on 8/23/2002 at 11:40:55 AM
The 3 speed hub can have a short or a long axel. there is also a short and a long indicator rod.If you use a long rod with a short axel it may not go into 1st gear. Also check the location of the fulcrum sleeve.






WANTED:   4 spd guts posted by: Edward in Vancouver on 8/22/2002 at 1:29:49 AM
Well, I managed to finish my newest conversion, An RSW 16. It now sports my favorite configurations: Two Hyperglide sprockets stuck onto the AW's driver, a Huret Allvit, new 7 spd chain, and a Suntour Bar-con shifter upfront. I now want to up the ante and convert the AW to a FW. Apparantly I can stuff 4 spd guts into the AW, but where can I get this? Anybody out there want to make me an offer?
Edward in Vancouver


   RE:WANTED:   4 spd guts posted by Bill Putnam on 8/22/2002 at 3:33:57 PM
Keep a watch on e bay for an FW hub. The internals will swap out with the AW's. S5 five speed hubs are more common and give you all the ratios of an FW plus one more on the high side (1.5/1) but the second cable isn't as neat an installation (you would then have 3 cables related to shifting gears). If you do find an FW you will need a four speed trigger for it.

If you have two sprockets, you should be able to get a nice set of ratios with the AW. And the AW is so much more plentiful.

Bill Putnam

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   4 spd guts posted by Edward in Vancouver on 8/23/2002 at 10:35:26 PM
Yo, people, I just want the guts for a 4 speed! My last conversion was on a Sports. I stuck on two Hyperglide cogs on a FG hub, with the exact same set-up--Huret Allvit, 7 spd chain, etc. I've gotta say it shifts very smoothly, and even though the bike (and it's hub) weighs a ton, I can tackle Vancouver's hilly streets admirably. I've peaked my learning curve with 4 spd shifters(anybody out there want a replacement spring for the shifter?) and succesfully filed a 4th notch in a pre 1950 long body 3 spd shifter. I've even made my own shifter cables for the 4 spd with the brass tubing "technology" I gleaned from this very website.
Life's no fun if you can't take anything apart and tinker with it, is it?

   RE:WANTED:   4 spd guts posted by Dale on 8/23/2002 at 3:50:55 PM
Edward, also bear in mind that the gear steps in an FW aren't consistent. That is, the 1-2 jump is smaller than the 2-3 and 3-4 jumps. No complaints when run as a four speed, but if you double sprockets you'll have to decide how to gear it. If your preference is a split shift (use the derailleur to split the SA jumps), you probably should split the 2-3 and 3-4 jumps. This will probably give you a redundant gear on the low end. On the other hand, if you just use the derailleur to extend range and aren't concerned about even jumps, you can do so easily.

Also be aware that the FW and S5 hubs have less metal around the moving parts so aren't as "bulletproof" as the AW. The FW and S5 are good hubs, just a little less idiot-proof. I wouldn't put as low an overall gearing on these as I might with an AW. Do consider the source here: I'm not a small guy (about 210#) and I once demolished a hub from gearing it too low.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   4 spd guts posted by smg on 8/23/2002 at 4:34:08 PM
What do you mean by "too low", and what happened? I'm currently commuting with an S5/1, using a middle gear of 44" (36/22). The bike has been a great success, but I weigh about 220 and would like to know if I need to be worried.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cycles of Yesteryear website posted by: P.C. Kohler on 8/21/2002 at 9:46:20 PM
Harvey Russell of Cycles of Yesteryear (UK) has e-mailed to say that he has updated his website (mentioned previously) especially the Used Stock list; some intriguing veterans for sale. Not cheap but....

However of even greatest possible interest is the Spares List on this site: a must see! Gearcases for 28" and 26" dia wheel machines (with the caveat these fit only roadster type machines like the DL-1 with bolted backstays), 28" and 26" mudguards, complete rod brake handlebars in the Raleigh or Phillips pattern, Northroad handlebars, Raleigh tpi headsets, bottom bracket fittings, tyres, traditional black frame pumps etc. Very reasonable prices. Asian knockoffs of course but still the most complete list of roadster spares I’ve seen.

http://www.cyclesofyesteryear.com/


P.C. Kohler


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cycles of Yesteryear website posted by David Poston on 8/21/2002 at 10:30:08 PM
Peter,

I have contacted Harvey Russell as well, and I will certainly be ordering a big lot of parts from him. I now regret sinking my money into e-bay cycles when I could have been getting fully refurbished ones from him.

BTW, I sent you a couple of e-mails but haven't gotten a response. Did they go through?

David

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cycles of Yesteryear website posted by David Poston on 8/21/2002 at 10:36:56 PM
Peter,

I have contacted Harvey Russell as well, and I will certainly be ordering a big lot of parts from him. I now regret sinking my money into e-bay cycles when I could have been getting fully refurbished ones from him.

BTW, I sent you a couple of e-mails but haven't gotten a response. Did they go through?

David

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cycles of Yesteryear website posted by Mario Romano on 8/23/2002 at 5:09:32 PM
Peter, I have here with me two JPG images of old 1947 Raleigh catalogues. The first image is of the export models colour chart (with some bizarre colour options despite the royal blue or standard black of the England-use Raleighs) and the second image is the front cover of an introdutory catalogue of Raleigh Industries to the different kinds of gear hubs (AW and others). Do you want I e-mail it for you?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cycles of Yesteryear website posted by Tim Powell on 8/25/2002 at 2:36:01 AM
Glad you liked the Cycles of Yesteryear site, heres another one but the prices are cheaper. http://www.indiarubber.co.uk/

Regards.






AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Andrew on 8/21/2002 at 9:12:51 PM
sorry for the double-post







AGE / VALUE:   follow up to Royce Union/Roadster handling charactersitics posted by: Andrew on 8/21/2002 at 9:08:11 PM
Mark, thanks for the tips on checking alignment. Sounds like a great way to verify the bike's condition; when I get the time one weekend I'll give it a go. A visual check of the fork revealed nothing unusual or bent, but thanks anyway Warren for offering a spare. I added a few more detailed pictures of the bottom brackets of the Royce Union and the Raleigh LTD-3 for comparison to: http://www.printroom.com/ViewAlbum.asp?userid=glxwgn&album_id=92818
- but the Royce Union doesn't seem to share or copy any details found on the Raleigh. Either way, both bikes are great rides. My wife and I went on an beautiful 18 mile ride from lower Manhattan's financial district up the East River Park bikeway to Central Park on Sunday. My brand new Brooks B66 is already very comfortable (first ride with new saddle).

great website.







AGE / VALUE:   follow up to Royce Union/Roadster handling charactersitics posted by: Andrew on 8/21/2002 at 9:08:11 PM
Mark, thanks for the tips on checking alignment. Sounds like a great way to verify the bike's condition; when I get the time one weekend I'll give it a go. A visual check of the fork revealed nothing unusual or bent, but thanks anyway Warren for offering a spare. I added a few more detailed pictures of the bottom brackets of the Royce Union and the Raleigh LTD-3 for comparison to: http://www.printroom.com/ViewAlbum.asp?userid=glxwgn&album_id=92818
- but the Royce Union doesn't seem to share or copy any details found on the Raleigh. Either way, both bikes are great rides. My wife and I went on an beautiful 18 mile ride from lower Manhattan's financial district up the East River Park bikeway to Central Park on Sunday. My brand new Brooks B66 is already very comfortable (first ride with new saddle).

great website.







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules for sale posted by: Laura Lightfoot on 8/21/2002 at 8:49:04 PM
I have a Hercules 3 speed for sale. The hub is Sturmey Archer "AW" the date I am unsure of as there are two "7"'s but they are approx 1 - 1 1/2 inches apart. I suspect it is a 1977 model. It does have the following writing/stickers on the frame "Made in England", "Genuine English Lightweight" and "AMF". I would entertain any reasonable offer. I'm located in Indiana. Pick-up or shipping would be the responsibility of the buyer. If interested, please e-mail me at lfoot2@earthlink.net.







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules for sale posted by: Laura Lightfoot on 8/21/2002 at 8:49:04 PM
I have a Hercules 3 speed for sale. The hub is Sturmey Archer "AW" the date I am unsure of as there are two "7"'s but they are approx 1 - 1 1/2 inches apart. I suspect it is a 1977 model. It does have the following writing/stickers on the frame "Made in England", "Genuine English Lightweight" and "AMF". I would entertain any reasonable offer. I'm located in Indiana. Pick-up or shipping would be the responsibility of the buyer. If interested, please e-mail me at lfoot2@earthlink.net.







AGE / VALUE:   I NEED HELP posted by: Mario Romano on 8/21/2002 at 7:30:32 PM
I run an english roadster restoration small bussiness here in my city but I received for restoration an totally unknown bicycle with an strange serial number located below the sprocket tube. The bicycle's serial number is RGA10 (apparently) and I have a photo at...
http://goricke.vila.bol.com.br/descon.jpg

Somebody could tell me what is this bicycle brand or approximately year of manufacture? This could be an old Raleigh or anything else race bike?







AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Peter on 8/21/2002 at 8:44:34 AM
Hallo there everybody. I have a Raleigh Roadster 3speed that is from 1925. I have dated it with the frame number that is A 022819. Also the rear hub only have one number which indicates the year of the 30´s. It is very nice.
WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THIS BIKE?
thank you in advance


   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Peter on 8/21/2002 at 11:03:38 AM
Depends on originality, condition and equipment, but mostly if there is a buyer for it - or preferably two if you are selling at auction!

Also depends a lot on whether you are are in USA or UK.

If it is in average, well used condition and you were selling it in the UK, you might expect 25 to 35 pounds.

If it is exceptional, very lightly used, original, clean condition you might get to the 85 to 100 pound mark - but you still need to find a buyer.

If you are in the USA, someone else in the group should comment.

Tell us more about it - what are the letters and numbers on the hub, does it have lights, a chainguard, a locking fork? what colour, what size frame and wheels? what is its history?
And importantly, do you like riding it?
regards, Peter.






WANTED:   White roadster tyres posted by: David Poston on 8/21/2002 at 5:05:47 AM
After looking at many old posters, I am dying for some white roadster tyres, 26" or 28", I'll take whatever is out there. Aren't they making these in some corner of the world (maybe Continental Europe)? I noticed that some of the non-English European roadsters that show up on e-bay every now and then tend to have these up until recent times (e.g. Belgium, Holland, etc.).

David


   RE:WANTED:   White roadster tyres posted by sam on 8/21/2002 at 12:27:24 PM
The whites are avalible in Mexico in the 26" size(used on girls rod brake bikes).I have not seen them there in the 28" size(found 28" in red)I think the 28" whites are Holland or German---sam

   RE:WANTED:   White roadster tyres posted by Warren on 8/21/2002 at 1:01:41 PM
Find a high end bike store that deals in Vredestein tires. They make a white Classic tire in 26 X 1 3/8, 700c and I believe 27" sizes.

Go here to see my favourite bike with these tires...http://www.tc-homes.com/bike/forum/fg-bikes/warrenyoung.htm

   RE:RE:WANTED:   White roadster tyres posted by David Poston on 8/21/2002 at 10:26:40 PM
Sam, I'd take some 28 x 1 1/2 tyres in red if I could get them. I assume that white bicycle tyres produced in Mexico wouldn't appear on a web-based retailer?

Warren, nice 40's road racer. I did a web search for Vredestein but couldn't find any white 26 1 3/8 roadster tyres on the internet.

David

   RE:WANTED:   White roadster tyres posted by David on 8/22/2002 at 1:47:51 AM
Vredestein seems to have a great selection of 26 and 28 inch tires in Europe, but the USA distributor seems only to deal in current popular sizes. (Many seem to have reflective sidewalls.) I'm waiting for a reply from them, though, about USA availability.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Technical question posted by: David Poston on 8/20/2002 at 11:19:40 PM
What does it mean when my cranks are turning on their own while I'm coasting along with my feet off the pedals? Is this normal? Seems that the cranks turn whenever the wheels turn.

Thanks,
David


   Crank turns when rear wheel turns posted by Mark on 8/20/2002 at 11:36:18 PM
Assuming that the rear hub is properly clean and lubricated, the symptom you're describing suggests that your rear axle cup and cone bearings are set up too tightly. Sheldon Brown addresses this issue in his English three speed page. The bottom line is that, unlike front hubs or deraileur rear hubs, an internal gear hub should be set up with just a tiny bit of play, so that you can wiggle the rim slightly at the brake.

Mark

   RE:Crank turns when rear wheel turns posted by Jeff R on 8/21/2002 at 1:02:47 AM
Check the tension on the drive chain. If its too tight it will cause this problem too.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lucas dynamo generator set-up posted by: David Poston on 8/20/2002 at 11:08:56 PM
I just received my 1937 Lucas dynamo generator set from an e-bay auction. It came in two pieces, 1) the generator and tailight in one unit (weighs a good 5 lb or so) and 2) the front headlamp with a long wire attached.

Simple stuff, I know, but "How do I set this thing up?" I know virtually nothing about these things, and there are no instructions. Does anyone have one of these? Where does the wire connect to the generator, and how do you keep the bulb from rattling around in the headlamp?

Here is a picture:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2128548399&rd=1

Much obliged to all,

David.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lucas dynamo generator set-up posted by Ian on 8/21/2002 at 9:23:31 AM
David, you mount the dynamo on the rar stay so that when it is released (by pushing the thumb trigger) the roller on the top is pressed fairly hard against the tyre. Try and keep the roller parrallel to the side of the tyre (sorry, tire in your language) so that when you pull the dynamo away from the tyre and the catch clicks to keep it off it is well clear of the sidewall. Both lights are connected to the one terminal on the bottom of the dynamo. To make the circuit they must earth to the frame and so must the dynamo, usually the mounting clamps have a small pointed screw in the centre (sorry, center) which will make a hole in your perfect paintwork so make sure it is backed off until you are certain that everything is in the right place. If the tailight is attached to the dynamo it will be earthed but it is possible to mount them separately and the dynamo can also go on the front fork. Let me know if you want extra bracketry. Cheers, Ian.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Frame sizes posted by: David on 8/20/2002 at 1:37:42 PM
After the midnight bike ride I realized how uncomfortably low the saddle is on my Sports. (Extra-long chrome seatpost from bikepartsusa.com is on the way) My 70s Raleigh catalog shows Sports frames only up to 23". Did any manufacturer make bigger ones? Are they at all common?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Frame sizes posted by P.C. Kohler on 8/20/2002 at 8:21:57 PM
Not in the "modern" age... we had the discussion re. the Raleigh "Popular" (the machine on eBay with 26" wheels but a 25-inch or was it a 26-inch frame). But post 1950, 23" was the limit. Indeed, some of the Club machines went only up to 22". Sports type machines were 19", 21" and 23" gents and 19" and 21" ladies.

At 6' 2" and a 34" inseam I was convinced I could only comfortably ride a DL-1 but have been very happy (and road race competitive!) riding a 23-inch framed 26" wheel Rudge this summer as well. Of course the extra long seat post makes all the difference but it's not raised to any extreme height just to the level on my 24" DL-1.

P.C. Kohler


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Frame sizes posted by Chris on 8/20/2002 at 9:02:18 PM
28 inch wheel, rod btake models were 28 inch frame sizes but these were rare. Then 26 inch frames too. Those stoped in like 1955.
Then the more common ones were 24 and 22 inch frame sizes with 28 inch wheels.

Now the Sports type bikes were no larger than 23 as P. C. said.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Frame sizes posted by Peter on 8/21/2002 at 8:50:38 AM
As a postscript to the discussion on Raleigh Popular Light Roadster with 26" frame, 26" wheels, I am pleased to report I have now had this bike dated by the Veteran-Cycle Club as 'probably made in 1931'.
Peter.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Frame sizes posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 8/24/2002 at 5:58:33 PM
I knew it! The Raleigh Popular is nestled far enough back into bike history that few of the guys/gals here will have heard of it, know what it is about or see one of these let alone have one. That is not to knock anybody here but just to say that this is a rare model we hardly ever get questioned about or hear about somebody like yourself having.
Good Luck! Stay in touch!






MISC:   Bicycle Art Prints posted by: Mark on 8/20/2002 at 6:21:37 AM
Here's a link to a collection of art prints about bicycles that visitors here might enjoy. I have no affiliation to the site owners.

Mark

http://www.barewalls.com/cgi-bin/search.exe?searchstring=bicycl*