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Archived: English Roadsters







FOR SALE:   ladies Dunelt, ladies Hercules posted by: Jim on 8/26/2002 at 2:27:30 PM
Both manufactured by Raleigh Industries. Herc is a 1970, Dunelt is a 1967. Typical AW, Brooks mattress saddles, good condition, ridden semi regulary. Dunelt is black / black mudguards with nice transfers, Herc is gold w/chrome mudguards. $50 for the Hercules, $65 for the Dunelt or cash / trade for interesting child's size tricycle







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   history/age model..etc posted by: pete on 8/26/2002 at 12:42:15 PM
hi
my bike i've had for some 12 years or so dosn't seem to fit
into any specs listed and to be honest i'm pretty new to these boards..so any help mucho appreciated.

Its a raleigh roadster i believe ,green in color,carrys all
raleigh decals and badges,"allsteel bicycle" on chainguard,
has a stand that drops under the rear wheel,lockable front forks,had a rear carrier and lights (high low beam) when
i first got it wern't servicable though,rod brakes and
a sprung plastic seat.the number below the seat postreads
nb 5246509... gearhub stamped ..aw 74 1. a decal at the base of centrepost reads "british bicycle co" colony of hong kong.. i got hold of it in australia ?..think it was
from the police or postal service from what i remember

anyway any info /links etc anyone might know of would be
great ....TIA...pete :)


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   history/age model..etc posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 8/26/2002 at 3:03:14 PM
What size wheels does this bicycle have?
Cable or rod brakes?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   history/age model..etc posted by pete on 8/26/2002 at 10:24:24 PM
it has 28" ( hard to get tyres )rims and rod brakes,the guy who owned the shop
from memory said something about later ones where copys?
the chain guard fully encloses the chain drive,grips were a
distinctive light grey,the small writing at the bottom of the centre post"looks" to of been applied later than the finish coat on the frame ?,it has a couple of small chinese charecters and the number 76 within (year ?),cant really read all of it but it may say "built for the british bicycle co colony of hong kong".anyway hope i havn't confused the issue to much ..thanks

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   history/age model..etc posted by P.C. Kohler on 8/27/2002 at 2:40:08 AM
Pete, sounds like you have a wonderful example of an export Raleigh "Tourist" with such clues as the 28" wheels, enclosed gearcase and the green colour which was usually reserved for the top-of-the-line types. The grey "torpedo" grips were standard issue on all but the US export machines from at least the end of the war until the end of production. I was so lucky to get three NOS from Nottingham about 10 years ago.

Is the dynohub on the front wheel or, more likely, integral with the rear hub, an "AG" model? Lockable fork? Rear carrier?

Others on this board might be able to more closely date the machine via the SA serial number/date code or the frame serial number.

Circa 1950, such a machine cost £21. 0 s. 5 d. so it was very much a sought after model.

The dealer markings make this even more unusual; it was common for dealers to "tag" their machines like this; yours just has that wonderful extra imperial ring to it!

Tyres for this are NOT hard to find; Harris Cyclery in the USA has them and check out the UK-based Cycles of Yesterday web site mentioned earlier on this Board.

P.C. Kohler


   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   history/age model..etc posted by pete on 8/27/2002 at 10:20:23 AM
thanks for the replys,dynohub?.. the bike had an external dynamo which looked to be a similar age to the rest of the bike,the SA hub is stamped 74 1.. is this the year of manufacture 1974 ?..yes it had a rear carrier(broken) and
discarded by me,yes it has locking forks,and the light looke
the same as the one on sale in parts for 19.95 (bullet)
what i need to know is who makes them (lights ) theres
bound to be somone downunder that distributes for the company...thanks for your help..pete :)






MISC:   Hi Bird bikes posted by: David on 8/26/2002 at 11:14:24 AM
"India Rubber" bikes mentioned below is selling "Hi Bird" bikes. Where do you think they are made? The press release ( http://www.bicycletradesource.com/news/national_news/safar_bikes.htm ) suggests African or Chinese origin, possibly. And is the frame geometry of the typical Chinese/Indian roadster different from the 50s/60s DL1s?


   RE:MISC:   Hi Bird bikes posted by Mark R. on 8/26/2002 at 1:07:38 PM
These sound like Indian bikes, and from my own personal experience you should ignore them. The vast majority of Indian made "Raleigh " style bikes are junk. The Chinese made bike like the Forever are better made, but have many many component problems: cheap peddals that fall apart, crack spindles that brake, etc....You could find a used Raleigh at similar prices, and be way happier.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Hi Bird bikes posted by Mark again on 8/26/2002 at 1:10:30 PM
Sorry, but I only have one line on my screen, and can't see my errors until too late!These sound like Indian bikes, and from my own personal experience you should ignore them. The vast
majority of Indian made "Raleigh " style bikes are junk. The Chinese made bikes like the Forever are
better made, but have many many component problems: cheap pedals that fall apart, crank spindles that
brake, etc....You could find a used Raleigh at similar prices, and be way happier.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Hi Bird bikes posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 8/26/2002 at 3:24:25 PM
I'll step up and say that while without seeing these bikes in person or riding one of them that:

I'll take some rims and tires, I like very much those rear racks. I like the twists in the stays of the rack. The enclosed chainguard would look great on my Raleigh. I like the kickstands too.
The rod brake linkage would look great on my Raleigh or Phillips too.

Now other parts, I get more discerning about. The fork looks good, thats usuable.
Ride the bicycle as it comes to me?.... No. The bike MAY have problems like others here have mentioned. Poor quality pedals, bearing cups or pedal cranks or whatever problems have occured can be avoided by staying with Genuine Old School Raleigh, Humber, Rudge, or Phillips.
Still, I see these bikes like the High Bird and I am happy because Roadsters are still alive! I see replacement parts here galore.
The most importand parts we need are here. Enclosed chaincases. Rims!! tires, brake stuff.
I have written before here about how happy I was to ride 28 inch rod brake rims made in India. They WERE slightly diffrent than Dunlops/Raleigh/ Sturmey-Archer but they were so wonderfully straight and true and the bike would glide along and it gave the most wonderful ride I ever had. So I am a big fan or India made rims.

The seats are not Brooks or old school Dunlop, the bike lacks origoinal character. Paint is slightly diffrent. The romantic patina does not match. These bikes are fresh and new.
What am I trying to say? I guess not to be so hard on these bikes they have a lot to offer.

   RE:MISC:   Hi Bird bikes posted by Tim Powell on 8/27/2002 at 2:22:19 PM
Hi, I posted the link to India Rubber and Cycles of Yesteryear because some of you were looking for sources of parts. The cycles from IR are indeed Indian and pretty bad quality compared with Raleigh. The repro machines that CoY are selling are Indian parts as well. The point I was making was that India Rubber sell the same machine for about 100 pounds sterling less than Cycles of Yesteryear. I was only trying to save you money by mentioning them.
Regards.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Hi Bird bikes posted by Chris on 8/27/2002 at 7:19:36 PM
Thanks for telling us about it.






AGE / VALUE:   Coaster brake adjustment posted by: Marcus on 8/25/2002 at 9:27:43 PM
Dear Friends,
The coaster brake on my 1966 AW hub drags when I'm peddling. Any suggestions on how to adjust this? Thanks. (I've checked Sheldon Brown's site, but I haven't found anything there yet.)
Marcus







AGE / VALUE:   Eaton's Glider 1937 posted by: D. Klein on 8/25/2002 at 9:16:56 PM
I bought a bicycle recently, it is an Eaton's Glider. Eaton's is a large dept. store that recently went out of business in Canada. Bicycle frame says made in England. The hub says Canada patent date 1937. The tires say RC Roadster, size 28. This is a male bicycle. The back rim is red and seems to match the rest of the bike, where as the front rim is silver and I wonder if it has been replaced. Does anyone have any knowledge about Eaton Gliders and their value?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Eaton's Glider 1937 posted by Warren on 8/26/2002 at 2:42:00 AM
You are correct sir...except the rear wheel is likely the replacement. That hub likely says CCM Hercules Made in Canada Patent 1937. If so, that wheel is from a CCM bike...burgandy red was the most popular colour they used. This hub was spec on many bikes right through to the 1950's. The Glider was more likely to come with a Perry hub. It's hard to date the Glider...at one time they were an independant manufacturer. Sometime around 1960, they became a brand that was consigned to Raleigh. If your bike has Raleigh threading on the bottom bracket or headset then the bike is after that timeframe. I've got one from this period and it is a great roadster. If it has standard ISO british threading then it is earlier but it's very hard to determine when they were made. I have an early one as well...double top tube with trusses. It is a HUGE bike and a great ride as well. The early ones had great big brass headbadges about 4 inches tall. Maybe pre war.

Any markings on the front hub?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Eaton's Glider 1937 posted by D. Klein on 8/26/2002 at 10:28:15 PM
Thanks for your help, Front hub of the bike reads : made in England. Back Tire likely replacement, it has the CCM marking you mentioned. There are no lights on the front of the bike and no indication of any ever being there, so I believe it is likely pre 1960. Any other ideas about the bike?






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help with identification posted by: kevin on 8/25/2002 at 7:15:52 PM
I have a Raleich made in Nottingham Engand it's an orange color it's a Sprite 27" 10 speed w/Brooks seat. this bike is in good/very good condition. problem i can't find any ID info. any idea of value, all original


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help with identification posted by kevin on 8/25/2002 at 7:36:27 PM
that would be Raleigh sorry






AGE / VALUE:   Sturmey 3-speed hubs with coaster brake posted by: James P. on 8/25/2002 at 1:30:36 AM
I know there were two kinds of Sturmey-Archer 3-speed hubs with coaster brake. One is very reliable and the other one is considered to be fairly dangerous. Can anyone tell me which model is the good one? Thank you!!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sturmey 3-speed hubs with coaster brake posted by Robert on 8/25/2002 at 1:52:07 AM
I believe the TCW model is one that can be less than reliable in the brake department.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sturmey 3-speed hubs with coaster brake posted by Mark on 8/25/2002 at 2:21:06 AM
The common AW 3-speed hub "neutralizes," or spins freely when the shift lever position is set between 2nd and 3rd gear. The TCW did this too, but had the rather unfortunate characteristic that the coaster brake also neutralized in this position. This led to the possibility that a misadjusted control cable could cause brake failure. The TCW was replaced by the S3C, which corrected this problem. The current (sic) coaster brake model is the AWC.

A mechanic who has a lot of experience with these SA coaster brake hubs told me that they all fail eventually, and that he won't rebuild them when they do because they inevitably fail again sooner rather than later.






AGE / VALUE:   1951 Raleigh "Lenton Tourist"..??? posted by: Michael on 8/24/2002 at 5:52:20 PM
Hi. I've owned this bike fra few years and would like to know more about it. Its a 3-speed, green paint on a reynolds 531 frame, celluloid fenders, aluminum wheels and chain guard. It has the original leather seat bag and (I think) original Miller generator and headlight. The handlebars are upright type and may be from another bike(?) I've been riding it alot, even though its too small for me. Very "original" condition (knicks and sratches etc.).

Anybody know what this is? Very rare?

Thanks!

Michael


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1951 Raleigh posted by Chris on 8/24/2002 at 6:07:02 PM
Rare? Yes.
A treat to own and ride? yes.
Collectable? yes.

See Sheldon Brown's discussion on "Club" bikes at Sheldonbrown.com

I have two of these but right now my mind won't shift into bikes so I'm typing with a mental block.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   complete-or-not bikes posted by: beand@polaroid.com on 8/23/2002 at 8:15:54 PM
Anyone knowledgeable in the tastes of collectors? I found a 52 ladies' Sports in the trash yesterday; dynohub, black SA headlight, full chaincase, etc. I'd like to swap its components to a 23" men's frame of the same vintage. (Same style lettering on the down tube anyway). Is it a horrible crime to desecrate this original bike this way? Or should I get out my wrenches and new ball bearings and go to it?


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   complete-or-not bikes posted by Edward in Vancouver on 8/23/2002 at 10:22:32 PM
After visiting countless Sports consignment stores, Value-Villages, and Salvation Armies, I've come to the conclusion that there are more women's bikes out there, and in far better shape, then men's. Why? Who knows? Is a bike just the sum of its parts, or does it have a soul as well? O.K, enough of the rhetorical questions, if it feels good, do it. I don't consider it a crime to strip a bike and use the parts for another bike. Spray-painting a bike silver-- now that's a crime, 'specially if you dribble paint on the tires and the cables...

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   complete-or-not bikes posted by Mark R. on 8/24/2002 at 2:29:20 PM
Do it! Everyone else does!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   complete-or-not bikes posted by Fred on 8/24/2002 at 4:09:41 PM
Think a minute. Which gender, at least in their younger years, are prone to riding hard, jumping obstacles, and generally abusing their bikes? Which gender is known to be far less careless of anything including their bikes? I too find a lot of good ladies bikes and and a lot fewer good mens bikes.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   complete-or-not bikes posted by Jim P. on 8/25/2002 at 1:26:45 AM
Another factor: Most bicycle collectors are men, who would not be caught dead on a women's bike. I have never seen a women's bike that was worth as much as a men's bike of the same model.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   complete-or-not bikes posted by Stacey on 8/23/2002 at 9:03:57 PM
I say, have to, David. Generally speaking, the step-thru framed models fetch less of a return thatn their full framed brethren... all things being equal that is. Though I would not banish the ladies frame to the crusher. My feeling is that one day, the ladies models will charge ahead in value due to the fact that most have been pillaged for parts to restore men's models, hence less of them to go around.

But I'm sure 'Prince Albert' will have words of contradiction to offer on this.






AGE / VALUE:   Dawes Galaxy posted by: Doug on 8/23/2002 at 6:21:20 PM
I own a Dawes Galaxy. I'd like to know its age. The serial number is 72671. Can anyone tell me the age or any other info on the bike? Thanks!







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   MY NEW RALEIGH IS LIKE THIS posted by: Mario Romano on 8/23/2002 at 4:59:01 PM
The last Raleigh bicycle I purchased and personally restored is 95% appeared with the bicycle we could see at...

http://www.bicicletasantigas.com.br/comercio/foto-raleigh-masc.jpg

The main differences are that mine's bicycle haven't the original chain cover, have the original Brooks saddle and the fenders are a thick more closer than the fenders of the bicycle at the photo...


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   MY NEW RALEIGH IS LIKE THIS posted by Mario Romano on 8/23/2002 at 5:04:37 PM
I forgot to tell who my bike's serial number begins with BC and I think it's the standard serial number for Raleigh bicycles made in England (badged Raleigh - Notthingham, England) and for to export to brazilian market (I've seen many Raleighs in Brazil with this serial number begining letters!). Is needed to redefine the serial number location for Raleigh bicycles...






MISC:   ANYONE WANTS A COPY? posted by: Mario Romano on 8/23/2002 at 4:53:56 PM
I have here the original 1947 Raleigh Industries Colour Chart for exportation models. This colour chart includes other "strange" colours despite the royal blue or standard black of the England-made Raleigh bicycles. E-mail me for get a JPG copy...


   RE:MISC:   ANYONE WANTS A COPY? posted by Mario Romano on 8/23/2002 at 4:58:26 PM
I forgot to tell that the JPG copy is FREE!






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Valuable as Collectable? posted by: Martin on 8/23/2002 at 4:06:27 PM
Hi!! I live in Argentina and i own a Phillips 1928, I was wondering about the value of the bike and were to find some photos as an example to restore it. thank all of you!!


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Valuable as Collectable? posted by Mario Romano on 8/23/2002 at 4:52:37 PM
Martin, enters at the Cyclart homepage (www.cyclart.com), there you will find a nice colour chart for help you on select the colour for a restoration. If you wish, I can send you a .jpg copy of the original 1947 Raleigh Industries Colour Chart for Export Models...






MISC:   Nineteen Fifty-two AW posted by: Albert on 8/23/2002 at 2:49:01 PM
I saved a nineteen fifty-two AW from the knackers on Saturday. The driver is splined and it has a forty hole shell. As I am a user and not a collector, this hub is not of great interest to me. Should you like to have it,contact me. The shipping in the U.S. is probably around $10.
Cheers from Philadelphia







AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by: kaj nilsson on 8/23/2002 at 12:30:24 PM
Hi I'm sorry about posting this message in more than one discussion area but I realy don't know to much about this bike. I had just gotten a Huffy baypointe 3 speed, I was wondering around what years these were made and about how valuable it would be today.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Albert on 8/23/2002 at 2:47:54 PM
Your cycle has no "collectable value". Its worth would be dependent on its utility value. Mind you,Huffy has a well deserved reputation for poor quality. Ten to fifteen dollars would be its sale price in the Philadelphia area.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Mark R. on 8/23/2002 at 2:55:48 PM
Now wait a minute, this particular bike has a Sturmey Archer 3 sp. hub with coaster brake, and is reasonably well made for a Huffy. They sell for $120 or so, and are still sold. Your bike does indeed have no COLLECTABLE value, none, except for the hub which sells for $80-90, but it is a reasonable bike for everyday use: to work, on the boardwalk, or what ever. Unfortunatly Huffy does have a bad rep amoung bicyclists because of a long history of making junk bikes for kids to destroy cheaply, however this particular bike is intended for adult use, and is marginally better made than usual. Ride it, use it, abuse it, or use the hub on another bike and toss the rest. Just enjoy what you have.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Albert on 8/24/2002 at 2:24:27 PM
Stacey, again have someone help you read my reply. I'm sure that with a little assistance in reading even you will understand that I was not denying the Huffy's "use-value".

Also, please do not send another one of your e-mail threats to do me bodily harm.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Stacey on 8/24/2002 at 4:12:30 PM
You must be confusing me with one of your other detractors, little man. I don't make threats, I DO! :-)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by sam on 8/24/2002 at 4:59:42 PM
Huffy does have a "bad" name for collectors,but some of their 3 speeds were made by Raleigh.Not saying yours was made by raleigh.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by chris on 8/24/2002 at 6:12:37 PM
I hope you have some hubs without coaster brakes that have alloy shells.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Albert on 8/24/2002 at 6:25:43 PM
Stacey, I do believe that you are mentally unstable. After your last e-mail threat of some months ago, I contacted the police in your Bucks County community. Your identity was revealed. Should you in any way continue to threaten or harass, you will be pursued legally.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Albert on 8/23/2002 at 3:03:12 PM
Now waite another minute! I have milk-crates full of SA 3-speed hubs with coaster brake. Please tell me where I can sell them for $80-90? Oh' Lord I'm going to be rich as Rockerfeller!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Mark R. on 8/23/2002 at 3:26:21 PM
I meant that they sell NEW for $80-90. Of course old, used, worn ones are not worth that much! Look them up on the web site.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Mark R. on 8/23/2002 at 3:35:22 PM
http://www.permaco.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/online-store/scstore/gear3speed.html?L+scstore+zrnz9559ff82bc82+1054300518
Here you go, you can see that the 3 sp. hub with coaster brake sells for $92.
OK, having said that, I think it's STILL safe to say that this particular bike has no COLLECTABLE value, but is a reasonable bike to use as it was intended, if only because it has a nice hub. The rest of the bike is only mediocre. Trade it for a Raliegh if you can find one.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Stacey on 8/23/2002 at 9:12:46 PM
Raj, to hell with what Albert says! He's nothing but an acid tounged, pontificating, blowhard... and he can't even spell! Glad MY kids aren't in the Philadelphia school system!

You got a bike for free, how cool! If it rides straight, stops safely, and had good tires, so much the better.

Bicycles are tools... designed to move human beings from Point 'A' to Point 'B' and perhaps back again. Gold, Small Cap Stocks, and European Tech Funds are investments.

What's the serial number of you huffy?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Edward in Vancouver on 8/25/2002 at 11:55:26 PM
ENOUGH!!! Albert, whoever e-mailed you had the good sense to do it not using this discussion area. Can you relate to what I'm writing? Also, after reading your comments for the last two years, I'm sure that this is not the first time you've been threatened in your life, change your attitude and watch your mouth. Now, get your dirty laundry down off of this site.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Mark R. on 8/26/2002 at 3:25:05 PM
You know, I've read this segment several times, and I really wonder if Albert, and Stacey ought to concider whether they are in the right circle of interest. Albert you always have a negative opinion about everything. You even yourself threatened someone on this site a while back. Stacey, you seem to enjoy verbally sparring with Albert ( I believe this goes way back to the "Pub crawl" row a few months ago.) I simply do not understand how people who seem to be of higher intelligence could at the same time enjoy riding something like our old Raleighs, and be aggressive and verbally abusive to people you should otherwise be great friends with. I really don't understand it. Since I started reading this site regularly a while back, this has happened several times. Maybe the whole site is a bad idea? Maybe the world has finally grown so over crowded that we simply can't get along anymore? PLEASE I am begging you both, PLEASE stop the angst on this site! We all are unworthy of anyone relying on what we say here if we are all just a bunch of mid-age half-crazy cranky fools who hate everyone, and everything.
Even though I have enjoyed this site for the last several years, and tried on occation to add something I hoped would be of some significant or insignificant benefit to our younger fellows here, I believe this is going to be my last visit here. I think this constant BS, and bickering is roughly the analogious to "road rage", and I wonder if it isn't a symptom of some underlying psychological problem that also manifests itself in a love of old English bikes, you know the way some psychos will out of the blue shave off all their hair, or something.
Anyway, fare thee well, and good luck!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Albert on 8/27/2002 at 12:33:11 AM
Mark R, I would respond to you by e-mail but you decided not permit this by employing a filter. At any rate, let me set you straight about a few things: I never threatened anyone with bodily-harm. My postings rather being, what you call "negative" are a sharing of what I've learned from many years of cycling and cycle repairing. While I may be iconaclastic and biting in my style, that is my right.

You have in the past posted responses to my efforts at getting McGettigan of Trophy Bikes to alter his so-called pub crawl.These posting were vulgar and abusive; so I now find your "ladies' tea party" attitude absurd.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Stacey on 8/27/2002 at 12:33:12 AM
Mark R., e-mail me my friend and I'll explain it to you.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Albert on 8/27/2002 at 12:33:42 AM
Mark R, I would respond to you by e-mail but you decided not permit this by employing a filter. At any rate, let me set you straight about a few things: I never threatened anyone with bodily-harm. My postings rather being, what you call "negative" are a sharing of what I've learned from many years of cycling and cycle repairing. While I may be iconaclastic and biting in my style, that is my right.

You have in the past posted responses to my efforts at getting McGettigan of Trophy Bikes to alter his so-called pub crawl.These posting were vulgar and abusive; so I now find your "ladies' tea party" attitude absurd.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Albert on 8/27/2002 at 12:33:42 AM
Mark R, I would respond to you by e-mail but you decided not permit this by employing a filter. At any rate, let me set you straight about a few things: I never threatened anyone with bodily-harm. My postings rather being, what you call "negative" are a sharing of what I've learned from many years of cycling and cycle repairing. While I may be iconaclastic and biting in my style, that is my right.

You have in the past posted responses to my efforts at getting McGettigan of Trophy Bikes to alter his so-called pub crawl.These posting were vulgar and abusive; so I now find your "ladies' tea party" attitude absurd.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Albert on 8/27/2002 at 12:33:42 AM
Mark R, I would respond to you by e-mail but you decided not permit this by employing a filter. At any rate, let me set you straight about a few things: I never threatened anyone with bodily-harm. My postings rather being, what you call "negative" are a sharing of what I've learned from many years of cycling and cycle repairing. While I may be iconaclastic and biting in my style, that is my right.

You have in the past posted responses to my efforts at getting McGettigan of Trophy Bikes to alter his so-called pub crawl.These posting were vulgar and abusive; so I now find your "ladies' tea party" attitude absurd.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Mark R. on 8/27/2002 at 7:49:33 PM
Stacey, I humbly apologize for having insulted you! That was not my intention. I really wasn't casting my thoughts at you, and should have left you out. I may run into you one day at a show or something,and want to be friendly, so I hope you'll take my apology from the heart. I don't in anyway disagree with you about anything! I simply spoke too quickly, and well there you are. I still think Angst and English bikes are not inclusive, and I simply wanted to display my wish for peace. Albert I NEVER give my address because everytime I do, some S***head sends me e-mail, after God damn crazy e-mail on and on, and I don't care to go through that again. Live with it.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Stacey on 8/27/2002 at 8:38:15 PM
No insult taken Mark, appology not necessary. I realize a good ol'fashun spleen venting when I see it :-) I have no reason for ill will towards you, hence my use of friend.

I'm serious in my offer of explanation.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Albert on 8/28/2002 at 12:28:10 AM
Mark R, how sweet and touching were your comments made to Stacey. The two of you are remarkably similar in so many ways. I do hope that the two of you get together.
Be that as it may, I would certainly like to have your e-mail address. Could it possibly be spineless@aol.com?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by You Know Who on 8/28/2002 at 2:36:20 AM
Amazing how well you type one handed Albert, you must really get a nut by antagonizing people. Careful not to spill your seed on the keyboard, I'm told it makes a sticky mess.

I seriously doubt your iconoclastic attitude statement, it would take a FAR beter man that you to disrupt my belief systems. Though it is much more likely that you are a sociopathic curmudgeon with a marked porpensity towards irrational thought process, one who's only defense (albeit clearly a weak one) it to attempt to undermine the credibility of the opponent with derisive statements of their intelligence and mental stablity. When in reality it is you who are mentaly and socially inept.

With regard to the local constabulary, I ask you this... If the combined forces can not find Osama Bin Laden, just how will Barney Fife find me?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Mark R. on 8/29/2002 at 12:25:04 PM
I'm not spineless, I am a 225 lbs. glass factory worker who could probably snap you like a friggin' twig if I were the mean spirited, angry , bitter, vindictive type. I simply don't want some psychopath sending me e-mail after bloody e-mail ad-nausium telling me what I already know he thinks of me.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   baypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Me again on 8/29/2002 at 12:28:20 PM
By the way, I like that term "spleen venting" :-)

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:牋燽aypointe huffy 3 speed posted by Albert on 8/29/2002 at 7:03:55 PM
Yes Mark, spineless is appropriate. Not only that;but your comments to Stacey were pathetic. And speaking being pathetic anyone reading Stacey'comments would be filled with revulsion. The fact that you are not says much.