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Archived: English Roadsters







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Some of my rides. posted by: Robert on 8/9/2002 at 5:08:13 PM
I have gotten a lot of help from this site concerning 3 speeds and thought I might share some of my bike pictures.

http://community.webshots.com/user/ima_believer

Hope you like them.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Some of my rides. posted by Ed on 8/9/2002 at 8:36:50 PM
Thanks for sharing the great pictures. Interesting bikes and I always enjoy bike pictures. I wish we all could do this.
Cheers, Ed.






AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh "Winkie" posted by: J. Schreiner on 8/9/2002 at 3:10:17 PM
Is there anyone out there that can give me information on the Raleigh Winkie? I cannot find serial numbers, or identifying marks anywhere. Trying to determine age and value and have had no luck with the resources I have. The trike is in amazingly good condition and I am interested in replacing a few parts so that my son can ride it.

Please, please.....if there is anyone out there who can lead me in the right direction..........


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/9/2002 at 3:52:15 PM
What parts are you looking to replace on this?

Please e-mail me your postal address and I will send you some information.

Actually,contact Pashley in England as the current Pashley Pickle is basically the same tricycle.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh posted by J. Schreiner on 8/9/2002 at 4:23:00 PM
Thank you for your reply. I have sent my mailing info to your e-mail address. As of this moment the only thing that looks like it needs replacement is the original metal basket on the front, the bell, and the tires. It is in otherwise good condition. Still trying to locate serial numbers....anyone out there that can help with that?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/11/2002 at 4:46:06 PM
I do not think that you will find posted on the internet serial number charts telling the year of manufacture. Not for the Winkie tricycle. It should be out there posted but it is not. This information is currently lost. It's not yet been found and posted on the net. We hope in the future it will be. The kids stuff gets lost versus the motorcycles and bicycles. Everything is an uphill battle fight to keep from being forgotten and lost.
I'll work on this one .
The fact that your husband rode this as a child means that it is a older model whic is great.
Follow e- bay for the bell. The basket will take some looking about.






MISC:   Decals posted by: Tim Powell on 8/9/2002 at 2:31:49 PM
I have been sent this company info for makeing your own Decals. Has anybody any info on them and are they any good. http://www.paper-paper.com/water-slip-decals1.html
Regards,
Tim Powell.







AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh posted by: benjamin floyd on 8/9/2002 at 3:13:13 AM
Does anyone know what the prefix DL stands for?
thank you
ben floyd


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh posted by Matthew on 8/9/2002 at 6:29:25 PM
Just a guess, De luxe?






AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh posted by: benjamin floyd on 8/9/2002 at 3:13:13 AM
Does anyone know what the prefiz DL stands for?
thank you
ben floyd


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh posted by Jim B. on 8/10/2002 at 3:52:33 PM
DL = Dead Limey ... if you try to stop in the rain using the rod brakes.






AGE / VALUE:   info. on bike posted by: rsg on 8/9/2002 at 3:01:32 AM
I got an old bike from a throw away pile thinking it was a schwinn. It just happened to have a schwinn seat. The bike is has the name The Londoner on the front and under that it appears to say Scheuer. Anyone know anything about this bike. It is very solid and well built. Thanks.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   info. on bike posted by Ed on 8/9/2002 at 1:40:30 PM
I also picked up an old Londoner from a trash pile about a year ago. The original owner was the son of a neighbor of mine. I asked the neighbor what he knew about the bike and was told that his son bought it new in the early seventies. Mine appeared to be a Raleigh copy made in Japan or China ,can't recall which. It had a three speed hub(no name)with a grip shifter. Was a Champaign color,badly rusted chrome fenders and racks front and rear and an unusual styled chain guard which was similar to those I have seen on Columbias from the Fortys and Fifties.It was a good solid riding bike. This summer I gave It to a man who helps me with yard work sometimes. I know of one more in the area. A ladies frame which belongs to the sister of a former manager of our local bike shop. She still rides hers on occasion. Not much info, but thats about all I can tell you about it.Good luck with it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   info. on bike posted by Lane on 8/10/2002 at 12:45:36 AM
I also have recently picked up a Londoner. Same champaign color. This one has 1960 Sturmey Archer AW. Has aluminium fenders, brake calipers and levers. Nice quality. Has a hocky stick type chain guard that has a sort of fin at the back. Havn't had a chance to ride yet.






AGE / VALUE:   ladies B.S.A. BICYCLE on e- bay! posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/9/2002 at 12:49:15 AM
Check out the ladies B.S.A. bicycle on e- bay!
OOOOHH! This is so cool.
Take a look at that front carrier! You never see these offered in the states. Why I could put my purse( if I carried a purse, that is) or a box on front and carry home groceries. This is exactly the type of cool stuf that is being pitched out the the kerb in England. Oh, the pain!

Not my auction, no relation to seller. I'd never sell this, I'd keep it.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   ladies B.S.A. BICYCLE on e- bay! posted by Mark R. on 8/9/2002 at 1:30:53 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2128808554

By the way I thought everyone would like to SEE it:-)

Chris! Why didn't you mention the groovy BSA track bike????!!!!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   ladies B.S.A. BICYCLE on e- bay! posted by Matthew on 8/9/2002 at 6:45:46 PM
Chris, this is a BSA shopper! Nothing at all like the Raliegh twenty derivatives but it has 24" wheels, Hublite dynamo on the front wheel and BSA three speed. the rack should carry a steel plate which bolts through the bottom of a basket allowing the basket to be clipped on and then removed when you arrive at the butchers or bakers or at the radio shop to have your accumulator recharged. How do I know this is what we are looking at? Because I used to have one about 14 years ago, do not ask what happened to it I am embarassed to tell. It will give some one great fun, ideal for a little lady, very manouvrable and light. Some body give it a good home.Matthew

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   ladies B.S.A. BICYCLE on e- bay! posted by Warren on 8/10/2002 at 2:29:55 AM
Is it just me or has that frame and fork been in a serious front-ender, thus explaining the wheel? There is no great shot of the fork rake and the cu of the headtube looks a little "off". The top tube looks likeit has a kink. Worth fixing but it should reduce the value.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   ladies B.S.A. BICYCLE on e- bay! posted by Warren on 8/10/2002 at 2:31:05 AM
I'm referring to the track bike of course.






AGE / VALUE:   Looking for chaincase for DL-1 posted by: David Poston on 8/8/2002 at 9:05:32 PM
I'm looking for a chaincase for a DL-1 (ladies or men's, both actually). It can be NOS or plain used. Anyone know where I can get one? Are these hard to come by? Send me an e-mail if you know of any.

Thanks,
David.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Looking for chaincase for DL-1 posted by P.C. Kohler on 8/9/2002 at 12:36:17 AM
David; they come up on eBay once in a blue moon (and cost as much). And do remember: the gearcase for the DL-1 is different from those for 26" wheel machines. Even when they made DL-1s, getting gearcases from Nottingham took some effort. Worth it though. But a DL-1 is still a real roadster with a plain 'ol chainguard!

My DL-1 was feeling out of sorts and for good reason: I've been riding me Rudges at her expense of late. So took her out for spin this evening: what a difference! These big roadsters are just plain noble and imposing. Silky smooth. But "The Lady's Not For Turning": heavy steering from that huge front wheel and heavy tyre and a daunting wheelbase.

Nice to have a stable of classic English bikes to choose from; each different and delightful!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Looking for chaincase for DL-1 posted by geo on 8/9/2002 at 3:30:54 AM
I've got a DL-1 with a plain "hockey stick" style chainguard. Evidently these ordinary chainguards were installed on DL-1's destined for the USA to save weight in shipping(or so I'm told). I can assure you that chainguards are not interchangable between Sports and DL-1s. The DL-1's are much bigger. In fact there's really not much interchangable between the two.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Looking for chaincase for DL-1 posted by Tim Powell on 8/9/2002 at 2:47:42 PM
This is a perrenial need for me. Chaincases are not easy to come by even in the UK. The 26" Raleigh type ones can be got from Holland with difficulty. They are made exactly like Rleigh and I suspect from the same tooling. The ones for 28" DL type bikes are available in India. I have noticed that they are selling Indian bikes by mail order in the UK and am asking them if they can get spare chaincases. So far I have not had a reply. Incidently I have a Royal Enfield 28" Roadster that has an elongated hoop of half round steel around the chainwheel and chain which is attached by a bracket at lower front and top rear. Around this hoop is laced what looks like an oil-cloth jacket, the same green color as the bike. I believe it to be original. I also have a bike with a celuloid chaincase in a kind of varnished brown color. I've got a couple of Raleigs with fuyll chaincases as well.

Regards,

Tim Powell.

PS. If you want to drool over Brit Bikes, go here, http://www.cyclesofyesteryear.com/






AGE / VALUE:   The Kris posted by: Jodi on 8/8/2002 at 7:03:15 PM
I recently acquired an old bicycle, it's called The Kris. That's the only branding on the bicycle. It looks to be between 1939-44, and is in fairly good condition. I bought
it from a fellow who said he got it in Germany during WWII.
After the war he shipped it home and it sat in his garage for 40 odd years.

It has an all metal braking system and enclosed chain box.
I am going to restore it and I've been searching the web for any info on it. Has anyone heard of this bike before or have any clues as to where I can find info on it?

Thanks


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   The Kris posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/9/2002 at 1:00:56 AM
I think we saw on e- bay a badge sold by some fellow from Australia. Type in "The Kris" here in the archive search.

Parts, hub overhaul- general repair/maintence questions that is not difficult. Finding information on this brand may take awhile. I have no info to share with you-but others might so stay tuned here.

You have a classic, interesting, old bicycle here. Few are out there still. It's cool, and neat and getting it running again and riding it will be a lot of fun. You won't be able to sell it and retire but this is a rare machine. Few turn up.

I think this was a brand sold by Raleigh. Probably a company that Raleigh swallowed up and took to making themselves in Nottingham. Neat that it is this old. Perhaps an original example before Raleigh's involvement. that my guess. I don't know. Stay in touch.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   The Kris posted by Ian on 8/9/2002 at 9:18:25 AM
I am sure I have some Kris headbadges ( and will check in the morning, I am not going out to the shed on a night like this even for the good people on Oldroads) but I was under the impression that they came off something Taiwanese or Japanese. I know who gave them to me and I did not think he had any bikes or bits of that sort of age. Will post again when I find out some more. Regards, Ian.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What happened to Raleigh? posted by: David Poston on 8/8/2002 at 4:52:46 AM
I stopped by a bike shop the other day, and I saw my first modern-day Raleigh. One frame said "made in China," while a decal read "USA". They were horrid looking things. (Any alleged technical prowess notwithstanding). When exactly did Raleigh go down the tubes, and who bought them out?

David


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What happened to Raleigh? posted by Drew on 8/8/2002 at 12:32:28 PM
It all started back in the late 70s, Asia was becoming a powerhouse as far as low, low labor costs and vastly improved manufacturing ability. I think Huffy bought out Raleigh USA in 1982, who knows whats happened since then. It was a slow death taking over 25 years. Schwinn's met a similar fate as well. I remeber going into a bike shop in 1981 seaching for a new bike, and there was one of the last English made Sports being brought to the States, silver & teal green, I had to have it, a great bike! theother day I saw a NOS ladies Raleigh 3-spd., but no made in England anywhere, Headbadge had no 'Notingham England' present, no Sturmey Archer markings on hub, looked like maybe the 1980s? a lost soul!






AGE / VALUE:    posted by: geo on 8/8/2002 at 4:08:25 AM
I found, in the trash, two (men's and ladies, matching set) Raleigh LTD's in excelent condition. My question is what is a Raleigh LTD. I haven't looked them over good but it appears the only difference between these LTD's and a Sports is the absense of pump braze-ons. Anyone know the significance of these models. Maybe a low budget Raleigh. I'd be interested to find out. Thanks in advance. Geo


   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by David on 8/8/2002 at 10:51:41 AM
Lower-priced sports. My 1975 catalog pix show the LTD lacks a seat bag, leather saddle, and the headlight bracket. Also plainer colors (red/blue/black) instead of the metallic colors of the higher-priced Sports. It's hard to tell for sure, but it looks like the LTD DOES have brazed-on cable guides and the heavy painted fender stays. No doubt the equipment varies over the years.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Mark R. on 8/8/2002 at 11:55:51 AM
The LTD had lighter weight rims (Dunlop), and although somewhat less expensive than the Sport, I alway felt that the LTD rolls a little easier. I'd bet you'll enjoy them a lot! Especially the price:-)

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by P.C. Kohler on 8/8/2002 at 3:29:20 PM
The DL-32 (LTD) I guess came out in the early 70s when TI Raleigh rationalised its range, dropping all of its budget brands (Robin Hood, Triumph, Hercules etc) as well as Rudge and Humber on the upper end. The LTD was better than the cheapest of these types since it had the heavier cast cranks etc. No pump pips, no leather saddle, no seat bag the lighter rims, fewer colour choices etc.

One of the regular English cycles I see walking to work is a gorgeous black LTD-3 with a new Brooks conquest saddle. Cheap in comparison with others in the Raleigh range of the time. Yes. But still head and shoulders above the other tacky rubbish one usually sees today. And still going strong after some 30 years.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Laura on 7/4/2005 at 10:45:50 PM
what does a 1975 TI-Raleigh 20/30 with leather saddle bag go for???
by: 24.4.142.10






MISC:   AN ORANGE HUMBER? posted by: Mario Romano on 8/7/2002 at 7:55:12 PM
A friend of mine is trying to sell me an Humber bicycle painted in orange. He said that the orange color is one of the original factory tones, is that true or false?


   RE:MISC:   AN ORANGE HUMBER? posted by Mario Romano on 8/8/2002 at 12:13:51 AM
Ops, I forgot put the image address...

http://www.bicicletasantigas.com.br/fotos/i002-a.jpg

   RE:MISC:   AN ORANGE HUMBER? posted by Warren on 8/8/2002 at 1:41:01 AM
Are you sure that is a vintage bike? Maybe a repro...or a total restoration or sorts. It doesn't look like the Humber bikes of the 1950's.

   RE:RE:MISC:   AN ORANGE HUMBER? posted by P.C. Kohler on 8/8/2002 at 3:50:40 AM
This looks like an Asian knock-off to me. Remember that Humbers are still sold in South Africa and they are made in, I think, China. This looks like it has the bigger tyres common to South African roadsters too. I think the present Humbers have a double top tube though. And one cannot conceive of the "real" Humber, "by Appointment to His Majesty King George VI", painting a cycle in this ghastly colour! Yuck.

A lot of the classic marques we revere are still "made" overseas, BSAs for example are common in India. But I'd leave any comparisons as to quality to others.... me, I'd wouldn't touch this Humber or other foreign pretenders with a barge pole.

P.C. Kohler, reminding all that if it's not English made, it's "foreign".....

   RE:MISC:   AN ORANGE HUMBER? posted by Mark R. on 8/8/2002 at 11:58:35 AM
I think this is a Mexican made bike. Notice the Mexican style bars.

   RE:MISC:   AN ORANGE HUMBER? posted by Mark R. on 8/8/2002 at 2:46:09 PM
It does have an Indian saddle though.

   RE:MISC:   AN ORANGE HUMBER? posted by David on 8/8/2002 at 4:41:54 PM
Are those saddles with the enormous hairpin springs copies of an English original? The only ones I've ever seen have been of subcontinental origin.

   RE:RE:MISC:   AN ORANGE HUMBER? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/8/2002 at 6:18:43 PM
Well I'll be!! The famous double blade Humber fork did not die! The tooling jigs are out there and alive in god knows where and they are still making forks !! Of course, this is a Mexican or Brazilian or India made bicycle. The rims are too new, that ornament on the front mudguard is all wrong, the color is hideous. the saddle is Indian I think too. The handlebars are Mexican or whatever but not British.
Remember that the real Humbers are Royal Blue or Black in color. The bikes say Nottingham and before that it gets even better because original Humber was from Coventry if I'm not mistaken. (I'll have to look that up.)
We here don't consider this type bike genuine because we are loyal to the older original bikes, paint schemes, accessories and all that. But in the other parts of the world these bikes are loved and used and have value. I think it is great to see the Roadster roll on in other parts of the world even in diffrent guises. At least it has not vanished all together.
Thanks Mario for the picture for all of us too see. What you are finding is more recent examples of rod brake roadster bicycles and ones meant for your part of the world. We barely have all the diffrent varieties of older original names and models cataloged and here we are looking at the next generation of English roadster type bicycles from the rest of the world like Asia, India, e.t.c.
I have a 1960's Hawthorne made by Raleigh camelback boys bike in this color and there was an orange Humber years ago I think.
I'll take some of those forks to re-paint, rims, tires, perhaps an enclosed chainguard. The rest of it I get skittish over quickly because the quality is not the same as old school Raleigh/ Humber quality.
It's interesting to see what Mario is turning up! I'm real surprised to see that fork is still currnet. It's awesome!

   RE:MISC:   AN ORANGE HUMBER? posted by Mark R. on 8/8/2002 at 6:34:43 PM
You know I hadn't noticed that fork....makes me wonder if it is an orignal that has been rebuilt with new parts...I've never seen an Indian or Mexican bike with the bi-fork-ated(sic) fork. But if I had to guess, I'd say Mexican.

   RE:RE:MISC:   AN ORANGE HUMBER? posted by P.C. Kohler on 8/8/2002 at 7:07:12 PM
Here is an interesting article on Humbers in South Africa..

http://www.dispatch.co.za/2001/12/19/business/BUS2.HTM

P.C. Kohler

   RE:MISC:   AN ORANGE HUMBER? posted by Sidney Sideline on 8/8/2002 at 9:41:19 PM
My dear Mario, Gadzooks! This colour is more offensive than a paisley Norfolk jacket. Whilst the cycle is a marvellous piece and certainly worthy of care and attention it is not British in any way, shape or form. The handlebars are on upside down, the front mudguard appears to be wearing an ornament, the stand is certainly continental and the colour vaguely luminescent. Do please encourage the owner to keep it this way, look how much interest it has caused on these pages. I do hope it will be ridden on leisurely rides. Yours Sidney

   RE:RE:MISC:   AN ORANGE HUMBER? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/9/2002 at 12:41:29 AM
I don't say it enough. I LOVE THIS WEBSITE, AND EVERYBODY ON IT!

INTERESTING ARTICLE!

   RE:MISC:   AN ORANGE HUMBER? posted by Mark R. on 8/9/2002 at 1:03:10 AM
Hey Mario, you ought to buy it! What the heck, you could always resell it later on down the road if you loose interest in it. Meanwhile it's kind a cool!

   RE:RE:MISC:   AN ORANGE HUMBER? posted by Jorge on 8/11/2002 at 2:35:33 AM
irmão satisfeito






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Some times you get lucky posted by: Fred on 8/7/2002 at 12:55:24 PM
Sometimes they just drop in your lap. Last summer, a neighbor, who gathers old bikes and fixes them enough to ride, then donates them to charity, gave me 3 Raleighs; a Superbe, a Sprite III, and a Sports, all ladies bikes-all green. I didn't think much of them at the time due to their shabby condition, but no Raleigh is bad enough to throw away. I thought that maybe some of the parts might be worth hauling the bikes home. I put them away and hadn't looked at them until yesterday. The Superbe looked a lot better than I had previously thought. It was completely original with all the Raleigh "R" stickers, and decals. It is straight, and surprisingly, the chrome on the front rim, hub, and dynamo, was good but coated with oil and dirt. The paring on the rear rim and hub were not as good, but not bad either. The Crank arms and sprocket were also in decent condition. That did it for me, I judge a bikes condition a lot on its chrome plating since every thing else can be fixed at a reasonable cost or lived with after a little care. Anyway I got out the Brasso and 0000 steel wool and went to work. By evening it was all done and when I took it out for a test ride, guess what?-it rides like every other Raleigh Sports in my bunch. It needs a fair amount of additional cleaning and maintenance but if you can get by the typical dull paint and other signs of long life and poor maintenance, it is a very serviceable machine.

My son had a similar experience when he was 16 years old and deep into riding his bike down the rocky glen in the mountain side behind our property. A neighbor of ours had 5 young kids at that time. One day, while I was working in the yard, all 5 of the neighbor's kids came into our yard, each one pushing a bicycle. Upon questioning them, they said that their father had bought them all a new bike and told them to give their old bikes to my son John since he was always in the road on his bike. All 5 bikes were in fine condition, but all had some minor thing wrong with them. Things like a flat tire, loose fenders, a bent side stand, etc, etc. My neighbor, a lawyer, made so much money that his time was too valuable to mess around with bikes. Or maybe he didn't know a hammer from a wrench, I don't know. Son John was in hog heaven for a couple of years. Only one of the 5 bikes survived the glens, and it has languished in the loft of my garage for 25 years or so along with Johns Schwinn Manta Ray chopper. Both John and I have returned to the bicycle, myself after almost a lifetime, and John for almost 25 years.







AGE / VALUE:   charles twigge&co.'s "the ace" posted by: phil nalrite on 8/7/2002 at 2:46:23 AM
i recently aquired a bike entitled "the ace" made in burmingham england by charles twigge and co.. the sturmey archer hub indicates it was made 1953.i researched the hub and found it was a fairly uncommon hub that had been recalled that same year.does anyone no anythig about charles twigge & co. of burmingham eng.?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   charles twigge&co.'s posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/7/2002 at 4:14:21 PM
Oh Yes, another small builder, or small company that went into the Two Wheel Twilight Zone. Hey, It's a great place to be! You don't know anything about this name yet and neither do I. That makes it neat. I mean, it's a mystery bike, at least for now. With all my involvemnt in this stuff and I have never heard of this name. Never seen it anyplace. I over obsess with these and I never heard of it. I am even failing at my crazy obsessions!
Hang in there, it'll turn up. The hub is probably a S.W. and they are out there. Can you send in a picture or two here to Oldroads.com?
Gee,now I want to learn about this too! I love the name! Twigge!
Have you visited one of the most important shrines to bikes along the internet highway? It's Sheldonbrown.com take a look, sift thru it.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   charles twigge&co.'s posted by phil nalrite on 8/9/2002 at 1:42:42 AM
out of the twilight zone pictures of this oddity shall emerge as soon as i can get the only freind i know with a digital camera to come join me on this jourey into both time and space, past the mind and into the bikezone.thanks for your response.I constantly run across bikes of a collectible value and can't always afford them.anything that you might like me to keep an eye or ear out for let me know.english bikes i see but don't usually grab.where I live there here and nobody i know beats the streats lie i do on the quest for new rare,classic or vintage bikes.I just scored a 30's tandem from germany,it's a schwinn.guys wife brought it here to america from germany.cool,i'll e mail you some photos

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   charles twigge&co.'s posted by phil nalrite on 8/9/2002 at 1:42:56 AM
out of the twilight zone pictures of this oddity shall emerge as soon as i can get the only freind i know with a digital camera to come join me on this jourey into both time and space, past the mind and into the bikezone.thanks for your response.I constantly run across bikes of a collectible value and can't always afford them.anything that you might like me to keep an eye or ear out for let me know.english bikes i see but don't usually grab.where I live there here and nobody i know beats the streats lie i do on the quest for new rare,classic or vintage bikes.I just scored a 30's tandem from germany,it's a schwinn.guys wife brought it here to america from germany.cool,i'll e mail you some photos

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   charles twigge&co.'s posted by phil nalrite on 8/9/2002 at 1:42:57 AM
out of the twilight zone pictures of this oddity shall emerge as soon as i can get the only freind i know with a digital camera to come join me on this jourey into both time and space, past the mind and into the bikezone.thanks for your response.I constantly run across bikes of a collectible value and can't always afford them.anything that you might like me to keep an eye or ear out for let me know.english bikes i see but don't usually grab.where I live there here and nobody i know beats the streats lie i do on the quest for new rare,classic or vintage bikes.I just scored a 30's tandem from germany,it's a schwinn.guys wife brought it here to america from germany.cool,i'll e mail you some photos






AGE / VALUE:   Utter betrayal! posted by: Chris on 8/6/2002 at 4:37:17 PM
She knows I look for bikes! Why didn't she stop and grab it for me?? Sheesh!
"Oh, Chris, I saw a bike out by the kerb. The guy was cleaning out the barn and threw it there. Old, parts of a bike."
Would you have wanted it? It's still there, maybe...
Was it worth anything?
Oh No.
My hand shakes, eyes roll back into my head. Of course it's gone. Im surrounded by clever, agressive competition. No bike stays out by the kerb for longer than 5 minutes. Area fish bite anything!
We are not speaking for awhile. Some ladies will stop and grab it themselves and not for some fellow but for themselves. That's one thing, but to leave it there for total strangers... There is no excuse!
Heck, we could be selling or restoring it together, but NO!
It was in the barn too. Could have been anything, anything! In our territory too.
I sat there all utterly horrified and stared at her all quiet like, all thru dinner.
Like a cat carrying her dead birds, I have brought dishes, antique dolls, doll furniture, ornaments. She wanted it, we went after it. But she can't stop and pick up one lousy antique bike for me? It's a barn for heavens sake!!!!
Plotting revenge as I type this!
No more dead birds, or antiques for her.
Two can play this game.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Utter betrayal! posted by phil nalrite on 8/7/2002 at 4:14:54 AM
at least she didn't trade one of your bikes for a pack of smokes,tell you that it's you or your bikes,either way one of you has got to go,and then proceed to walk outside and take a baseball bat to your vintage collection screaming "you love your bikes more than me! tou spend more time with your bikes than me!" ect.ect.ect...so after taking out years of abuse and pend up issues on your bikes twists the knife in your back(through your heart) a little deeper by saying that if you don't get rid of your bikes she'll do whatever it takes to make it so tou can never see your son ect.ect.ect.the only thing that could come between a man and his bikes,his children.the obvious solution would be to leave this psycotic institution we call marriage but it's not that simple.what do you do when rufies don't work,"hemp is illegal",they quit drinking,cyanide and other various poisons just make the beast angry,you don't own a gun, and you can't afford a lifetime supply of camel cigarettes? so look on the bright side,it could be worse but not much.my advise would be to give her a chance to redeem herself.I couldn't fit all my bikes in the doghouse.located 3 bikes via a barn score today.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Utter betrayal! posted by Ian on 8/7/2002 at 9:04:10 AM
I have just the tee shirt for you Chris - it says along the top "She saqys if I buy another bike she's going to leave me" then there is a picture of a bike (on my one it's actually a motorcycle) and under the picture it says "I think I'm going to miss her!" Seriously though we all have to learn to compromise a little and to forgive and forget the transgressions you speak of. Have you ever tried to ride a tandem on your own???