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Archived: English Roadsters







AGE / VALUE:   Fire sale! posted by: Edward in Vancouver on 9/18/2002 at 12:16:26 AM
It's been a year now since I gave the decals on my Superbe a final coat of varnish, and I'm still on a quest for a full chaincase for this 26" wheel beauty. I have applied myself dilligently for over 2 years, and have explored every option available to me, (even got a chaincase from Pashley-turned out to be black plastic) but no luck. I'm one step away from ordering the foreign chaincase from Cycles of yesteryear, but this is for a frame with bolt-on seatstays, and would require some creative sheetmetal work to fit the Superbe. Therefore I'm going to make an offer: A partial trade, a '54 AG hub laced to a Dunlop (40 S/S spoke, cross 3 pattern)rim. This is not the typical Raleigh pattern rim, but nevertheless a good rim. The rim has been re-chromed,a fine example of Vancouver's best 3-step chroming. (and also set me back quite a few bucks!)
Any offers out there?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fire sale! posted by sam on 9/18/2002 at 1:59:52 AM
Ed,would a full chain case from a girls 26" hurcules work?If so I'll look in a few days.I know where a pile is but don't know if they are for sale--I remember the hurcules but it was a girls so I didn't ask.






AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh tin sign posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/17/2002 at 6:41:00 PM
$905.00 and still going! Yipes!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh tin sign posted by Mark R. on 9/17/2002 at 7:57:49 PM
Jesus! People are truely nuts!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh tin sign posted by Mark R. on 9/17/2002 at 8:02:19 PM
Wow! More than five days to go and almost $1000. It is a cool sign, but $1000?? That just seems irrational to me.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh tin sign posted by Jeff R. on 9/18/2002 at 12:28:55 AM
People who collect old porcelain signs pay big bucks for some of them. Automotive signs like Ford, Dodge Brothers, or oil company signs such as Oilzum, Mobil, Texaco, etc. also bring big bucks. Old porcelain cigarette signs are sought after too. I have 2 old porcelain Raleigh signs, neither of which are as colorful or as in good condition as the one on eBay. I've been offered over $600 for each of them. I have them on my garage wall and I enjoy looking at them, so I don't want to sell them. I'd love to own that sign, but there's no way I would pay that kind of money for it, not to mention the shipping cost to get it here from Thailand.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh tin sign posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/18/2002 at 12:40:01 AM
$1,136.00 and with 5 days left on the clock! I'll state my guess that it does not go over 1,600.00 We'll see I don't remember what the last one of these ended up at but I was surprised then, too.






AGE / VALUE:   CHARLES TWIGG & CO. BURMINGHAM ENG. 1953 posted by: PHIL NALRITE on 9/17/2002 at 12:42:02 PM
IWOULD LIKE TO SELL MY 1953 CHARLES TWIGG & CO. BIKE TO FUND RESTORATION PROJECT. IF INTERESTED PLEASE LEAVE E MAIL ADRESS AND WILL SEND PHOTOS.DUNLOP RIMS & TIRES IN GOOD SHAPE.STURMEY ARCHER HUB & SHIFTER.lycette seat complete and in great shape over all.will trade for baloon tire or pre war bicycle depending on makes or/& model.need money to fund other restoration projects.need original 1928 red wall tires.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   CHARLES TWIGG & CO. BURMINGHAM ENG. 1953 posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 9/18/2002 at 12:42:53 AM
ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com
would like to see pictures and know price

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   CHARLES TWIGG & CO. BURMINGHAM ENG. 1953 posted by photos on 9/25/2002 at 1:49:05 PM
as quickly as i can get them out to you.i've beenworking around the clock to get my freinds shop remodeled.in return he will let me have my own seperate space there for 4 mo.s to do something with my ideas for a bike shop.nobody i know believes there's a chance for old bikes and most look at me like i'm crazy.extra incentive to me.i went to some of the museums around england and none of them have pictures of the ace by charles twigg & co.this bike needs to go into good appreciative hands.i went by my parents to find it litterally tossed out from inside the garage.the bike looked brand spankin new when i got it.the dunlop tires looked Brand new.my folks don't appreciate the value i find in them.snow will fly soon and i'd like to get it off befor then for preservation reasons.the ace i have is a womens club, judging by it's tire size and lightweight,i,ll get you photos hopefully today.i sent some to sheldon brown to see if he or someone he new was iterested.if you know him he may be able toshow you some pics. in the meantime.thanks for your response,phill






AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mark R. on 9/17/2002 at 12:15:26 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1859993223

Anyone who says they wouldn't give their eye teeth for this is lying!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by edgarecks on 9/17/2002 at 5:43:06 PM
A real beauty! Hope the new owner rides it occasionally.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Wonderful motorcycle    posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/17/2002 at 6:52:07 PM
This has been restored and while it is still marvelous, I would rather have one with original paintwork and decals.
Some of the old school British motorcycles had this oil black/slightly purple sheen to them. I don't know how to describe it except to say that there is a certain look to the old black enamel paints used that I have not seen duplicated.
There is a bit of character lost with this bike's paintwork. Look at the motorcycles offered by Verralls in England. There are two (at least) motorcycle magazines at your local bookseller and if you'll look you'll see this particular shade of black paint on the old mysterious motorcycles.
What I really want is a Raleigh safety seven saloon car. The three wheeler stuff. What happened to the prototype Raleigh car shown in the book? What happened to it, exacxtly?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Ray on 9/18/2002 at 1:29:53 PM
Last April there was a very early Raleigh motorcycle that showed up at the Copake auction swap meet. It was all original and fantastic. It was evern earlier than this one. All the transfers and detailing was a treat to the eye. I know the guy who had/has it but I am not a motorcycle person. Still it was a sight to behold.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   An agent's advice ill taken posted by: David Poston on 9/17/2002 at 3:54:27 AM
Somehow, "Easthope" cycles never caught on, despite this dealer's advice:

An Agent's Advice

You may talk of your "Premier," your "Humber," or "Rudge,"
Your "Rover," your "Singer," your "Psycho," but fudge;
If to beat all the lot in machines you should hope,
You have only to purchase a first grade "Easthope,"

Perhaps in your mind you may have the "Referee,"
The "Whitworth," the "Raleigh," the "Ivel," the "R. & P:"
You must give the lot up if the world you would cope,
And plank down your piece and buy the "Easthope."

Perhaps it's a "Sunbeam" that strikes you today,
A "Whippet," "Wulfruna," a "Star" - who shall say?
What ever it be, I can only hope
That you will think o'er it twice, then buy the "Easthope."

Perhaps for a record you would have a fling
On a record machine that the (press) says the thing:
Do not be misled by such silly soft soap,
Let it be recorded that you have brought the "Easthope."

They do not keep paid amateurs who sometimes records make:
They do not build such light machines, that ride them and they break:
They do not largely advertise, for puns they cannot hope,
But they rely on worth, my boy - the worth of the "Easthope."

So my advice to riders is to study well each verse,
To better buy you need not try - you only will get worse;
I now must close my rhyming; I sail now for Cape Hope,
And take with me some dozens three of machines called the "Easthope."

David, wondering what befell that company called Easthope

http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/Transport/bicycles/Easthope.htm







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great historical link posted by: David Poston on 9/17/2002 at 3:26:27 AM
For those of you as highly enamoured as I with the cycles of old from the beginning days of the English roadster, here is a goldmine for pictures and descriptions of old cycles. It lists a plethora of manufacturers and models.

http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/Transport/bicycles/bicycles.htm

Oh, those enclosed chaincases! Those white tyres! Those wonderful high handlebars that curve straight back! Those lovely springy saddles! The relaxed frame geometries! I think the next cycle for me will have to be no later than c. 1920.

David, who's still trying to turn his 70's Raleigh Tourist into a Tourist of old.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great historical link posted by michael on 9/17/2002 at 7:44:09 PM
Perhaps I missed it, but does it mention Raleigh? If not, any indiction as to why not?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great historical link posted by sam on 9/17/2002 at 11:41:52 PM
This is a local history Museum and does not cover bicycles made out of that area.And Raleigh was not made at that location.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great historical link posted by: David Poston on 9/17/2002 at 3:26:27 AM
For those of you as highly enamoured as I with the cycles of old from the beginning days of the English roadster, here is a goldmine for pictures and descriptions of old cycles. It lists a plethora of manufacturers and models.

http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/Transport/bicycles/bicycles.htm

Oh, those enclosed chaincases! Those white tyres! Those lovely springy saddles! The relaxed frame geometries! I think the next cycle for me will have to be no later than c. 1920.

David, who's still trying to turn his 70's Raleigh Tourist into a Tourist of old.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great historical link posted by phil-e on 9/20/2002 at 4:19:26 AM
i went to this sight and still did not find information on a bike that i have.so i checked around some other museums and still nothing.i'd like to sell it to fund other restoration projects.it's a 1953 charles twigg&co. "the ace"






AGE / VALUE:   E- bay item#1859368165 posted by: Chris on 9/17/2002 at 12:48:02 AM
Item#1859368165 22' Raleigh Custom Gents Roadster Classy
Take a good long look at this bike.
This was a Sprite but it has undergone some changes, a re-doing and voila! $470.00 at last looking at.
HO- KAY!
This is why I keep everything even things I want to toss out. Because you just never know. I'm going to go dunk my head in the sink full of cold water.My eyes are twitching.
The fork looks too large, I dunno. The bike looks off angle. perhaps it's the picture. These tires are probably the best modern tires we can get. Sheldon sells these tires if I'm not mistaken. Chrome looks good. These handlebars are 1970's and common. I do like the bell.




   RE:AGE / VALUE:   E- bay item#1859368165 posted by sam on 9/17/2002 at 1:33:05 AM
Good lookin bike!I found a place to get Alum rims in 28"x1&1/2"(not 700s) so you have given me something to think about.






AGE / VALUE:   E- bay item#1859368165 posted by: Chris on 9/17/2002 at 12:48:02 AM
Item#1859368165 22' Raleigh Custom Gents Roadster Classy
Take a good long look at this bike.
This was a Sprite but it has undergone some changes, a re-doing and voila! $470.00 at last looking at.
HO- KAY!
This is why I keep everything even things I want to toss out. Because you just never know. I'm going to go dunk my head in the sink full of cold water.My eyes are twitching.
The fork looks too large, I dunno. The bike looks off angle. perhaps it's the picture. These tires are probably the best modern tires we can get. Sheldon sells these tires if I'm not mistaken. Chrome looks good. These handlebars are 1970's and common. I do like the bell.









ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 grips on e-bay posted by: David Poston on 9/16/2002 at 9:49:39 PM
"Andreou" strikes once again! This guy in Cyprus must have had secret dealings with Raleigh's Nottingham factory before it closed down.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=714343929&rd=1

He's offering these NOS torpedo grips for the Raleigh DL-1. I have been hunting for these to replace my Raleigh Sports black rubber grips with the finger indentations.

My questions are these: What era does these date from (these are "hard plastic"), and are they as comfortable as the Sports type grips?

Thanks,
David


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 grips on e-bay posted by Scott Ebersole on 9/17/2002 at 12:29:10 PM
I have a pair of these grips. They are very short, only about 3 inches long. They seem to be made for the pre-war type handlebars that were on the 28 inch wheel Raleigh Roadsters of that time period. I believe the grip material is what they called celluloid. They are very hard and I am concerned about cracking them when I go to install them. The grips on Raleigh Sports are considerably longer.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 grips on e-bay posted by David Poston on 9/17/2002 at 7:10:48 PM
Scott,

Are they uncomfortable?

Is celluloid some kind of plastic?

Thanks,
David.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 grips on e-bay posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/18/2002 at 12:00:38 AM
It is a pre-runner to plastic. The B.S.A. paratrooper bicycle that folds in half used these grips exactly the same but with a tiny diffrence. The B.S.A. logo. The grips are old that's for sure. They are not rubber and therefore not as comfortable but they are hard to find. We are taking these grips for granted because we see them on e- bay but when they are gone, they won't be popping up again in any regularity. Before Andreauo, I have not seen these. By the way, thew B.S.A. Paratrooper bike is very comfortable and a real joy to ride. I sold mine like a nitwit and now I want to do a Hybrid project with one and I miss riding it in general.
Not my auction, no relation to seller

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 grips on e-bay posted by Tim Powell on 9/18/2002 at 3:23:16 PM
If you need period grips go here http://www.dialpatterns.co.uk/grips.html
These are genuine celuloid pre-war type.
Cheers.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 grips on e-bay posted by Scott Ebersole on 9/18/2002 at 2:41:00 AM
I have yet to install them but I think they would offer a better grip over bare metal but no greater comfort. Handgrips have come a long way.

Celluloid pre-dates plastic and is similar in appearance. It is known to become brittle and prone to cracking






WANTED:   Westrick stainless steel rim sought posted by: P.C. Kohler on 9/16/2002 at 8:22:25 PM
Anyone out there have a 26" x 1 3/8" Westrick front rim (32 holes) in stainless steel that you would like to sell?

If so, I have a 1948 Raleigh at considerable risk of taking to the road with mismatched rims.

P.C. Kohler


   RE:WANTED:   Westrick stainless steel rim sought posted by David Poston on 9/16/2002 at 9:25:04 PM
P.C.,

Did I hear this correctly? You are asking for stainless steel rims, not chrome-plated? Did they have stainless steel back in 1948?

Speaking of rims, it seems it is hard to find chrome-plated ones, even reproductions. I was able to find one 40-hole chrome-plated Westwood rim for my rear dynohub. This was from Harvey Russell. He said, however, that it was made in Asia or Holland.

Any idea if Asian-made rims are any good?

David

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Westrick stainless steel rim sought posted by Chris on 9/17/2002 at 12:21:20 AM
Yes they did, but these are rare and difficult to find.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Westrick stainless steel rim sought posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/17/2002 at 12:26:07 AM
They did indeed and I believe first introduced before the war. Mind, the availability of stainless steel rims was dodgy enough right after the War, that Raleigh and Rudge catalogues I have c. 1949 gave a price allowance if they could not be fitted upon order.

Stainless rims are great, especially on rod brake machines. But I am not going to sing their praises until I get MY front rim!!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:David,Asian rims..... posted by sam on 9/17/2002 at 1:41:46 AM
Are cheep!they do compair to 70s raleigh chrome.But come no where near the real old school chrome raleigh used before the 60s.And BTW sunbeam used Alum rims in the 20s,and stainless was in fashion in the 30s--everything was made of it.(well almost)






AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh sign on e- bay posted by: Chris on 9/16/2002 at 4:49:21 PM
Seven Hundred and Thirty dollars for that metal Raleigh sign and still going!
Wow!







AGE / VALUE:   Did B.S.A. offer an alloy shell? posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/16/2002 at 4:16:44 PM
E- bay item #714576961 B.S.A. hub gear
Looks like this particular hub is an alloy shell model. I did not believe that B.S.A. offerd their three speed in a alloy shell.
Hilary does not mention weather or not it is alloy.
Anyways, it's N.O.S. and with a threaded driver. B.S.A. hubs are wonderful! No relation to seller, not my auction.
I love seeing everything he offers. I already have a set of those G.B. wing nuts, they're great.







AGE / VALUE:   French derailers, interchangability rules! posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/16/2002 at 3:43:00 PM
Ah, Ha! I can interchange parts! Yes! It worked!
I have a Simplex T bar shifter with the red ends. This last one was just the lever and not the whole assembly. I brought it home and went digging in my mess o parts boxes and I was able to take apart a Huret lever shifter and do a transplant. The Huret mixes well with Simplex and I even had a choice of clamps. I was able to mount it on the down tube, top tube, or best still on the handlebar stem!
This steel clamp thingie is meant for a two leaver shifter but I took the one off. Im having fun! This is the seventh hybrid project in a row.
I wheel merrily into the shop and he shakes his head and says "At least your old Raleigh is not meant to wear out in two years."









MISC:   Raleigh Tourist posted by: Rob on 9/16/2002 at 2:41:43 PM
Was at a garage sale this weekend and saw a beautiful bike. A Raleigh Tourist, dark blue, rod brakes, enclosed chain case, 3 speed, and a Brooks mattress saddle. Asking price $250 (Can)! I didn't think to look for a date on the hub The guy said the bike was over 20 years old, but I think it must have been newer. The bike was in absolutely perfect condition, shiny and not a mark anywhere. It had a little bracket on the handlebar stem that looked like it once held a reflector or maybe a light, otherwise everything else was there. Is this a 20 yr old bike or did Raleigh make a retro-look bike not long ago? Sorry for the long post. Rob


   RE:MISC:   Raleigh Tourist posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 9/16/2002 at 4:05:45 PM
Dark Blue? That's the Humber color. On a Raleigh Tourist?
I'd love to see this. Raleigh Tourists were black. Some green and some Flamenco red. A blue Raleigh Tourist? Was this painted by somebody? Does it have the Raleigh decals? Did you get it?


   RE:MISC:   Raleigh Tourist posted by Rob on 9/16/2002 at 5:09:08 PM
Sorry, it could have been black. Colour blind guy looking at the bike. Definitely a Raleigh though. I did not get it, my garage sale limit is about 10% what he was asking.