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Archived: English Roadsters







AGE / VALUE:   Chain experimentation is sometimes needed with Cyclo cogs. posted by: Humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/7/2002 at 5:09:16 PM
Having 8 of those Cyclo conversion kist and using the 3 splined cog set that makes the 3 speed hub into a 9 speed hybrid bike I am learning that these cog unit things of Cyclo's that they varied in thickness and that not just any old 1/8 chain is gonna work properly. I stood there, we talked as he worked on the gearing for me. I had this whole bag of chain but still I needed a narower brand/type of 1/8 chain. We went to Sram bushingless chain and it was no longer riding up onto the other gears. Problem solved. With most maybe all of the oldschool French derailers like the Huret and Simplex you can use 1/8 chain even if it was meant for 3/32 nds. You have to experiment about.
This hybrid project stuff is not easy and I will need to get ahold of a frame spreaded if I want to do it myself. We're gonna spread the frame and insert a washer so I will be able to operate on all 3 cogs.
The fellow I got these cogs from grinned at me and wouldn't sell the smaller (high gear) two- cog piece as he wanted that for himself.
Anyways, as I have said before. SheldonBrown.com has a article on Hybrid gearing only he used a threaded driver and a more modern set up. He's using derailer chain and getting more gears with 7 speed sprockets on a 3 speed hub. See the article if you want to attempt this.
This Superbe of mine has two in front and nine in rear so it is a 18 speed Raleigh Superbe.







AGE / VALUE:   It's aweful, I tell you. posted by: chris on 9/7/2002 at 4:01:53 PM
The manager of one of my favorite shops has an eye for old bikes. There were two more there when I came it. Probably given away. Now this means they'll never call me in to look at something. He's right in my way and I don't like it one bit.
He never wants to sell, but every now and then he'll ask me a question. We don't hit it off that well, the repoire is not so good, but were cool.
He's into Schwinns but still it's been so long since I've been offered a used Raleigh that something's up with those too.

Now one buddy would call me up and his attitude was "the only good bike is a sold bike" I miss this dude, he was ok.







AGE / VALUE:   ULTRA-EXPENSIVE RALEIGH FOR SALE... posted by: Mario Romano on 9/7/2002 at 12:01:25 AM
Some days ago a pal emailed me telling about an all-special Raleigh bicycle "specially made for King Edward's use". He told me it's an specially built and decorated club-style bicycle that was all the ex-chrome parts finished with a tinny and highly-polished layer of 18 karat gold. He told me so many stories on this bicycle that was necessary my wife to tantalize me again! Here goes I, sending and receiving emails for the transactions...but when the pal asked me 8,000 bucks by the bike my mind won't came up evermore: I was bring back hardly to the financial reality because I haven't this big amount of money! The man told me: "Don't you keep up with the news?", trying to make me think that the bicycle was announced at Sotteby's. Finalizing it: I don't bought the bike and here I don't know where this godamn man hides this. Anybody heard about this bicycle or the Sotteby's trying of sell?


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   ULTRA-EXPENSIVE RALEIGH FOR SALE... posted by Chris on 9/7/2002 at 5:31:04 PM
Awhile back we heard a tale about a specially made bike for a prince or sultan or somebody. Something about the Humber cycle plant being run again dispite the ongoing 2 nd World War.
Somebody was being asked for something possibly cooperation and the King or whomever wanted a special bejeweled or gold plated Humber and supossedly one was made and delivered.
It was a great "urban legend" that was never cooborated with pictures. I would love to see a kings Humber.

These are out there, Kings and Sultan's and royalty knew about, owned and wanted Raleigh's, Humber, and such bicycles.
Talk about a repuation!

Cadillac, Rolls Royce, Bentley? yes, But even a Raleigh bicycle? Yes.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   ULTRA-EXPENSIVE RALEIGH FOR SALE... posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 9/7/2002 at 3:42:27 PM
Sothebys Auction House. Try to take a look and see if it is mentioned at their web site.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   ULTRA-EXPENSIVE RALEIGH FOR SALE... posted by Mark R. on 9/7/2002 at 4:15:38 PM
I believe I remember that there WERE specially offered models like this, especially I think I remember a cross frame model similar to what we would call a DL-1 only much older that was specially made for the King, and others( arab kings or something). But $8000??? I don't know about that!






AGE / VALUE:   lamp bracket adjustment posted by: David Poston on 9/6/2002 at 9:26:32 PM
Are the front lamp brackets intended to be adjusted at all? My headlamp beam hits the ground about 40 feet away, while I'd like it to hit about 10 feet ahead of my front wheel. What's the best way to bend the bracket downward without destroying it? I might add that I tried using pliers, but this seemed to cause uneven bending.

David

P.S. Does anyone have any heron's head Raleigh lampbrackets they want to sell? I need about two.


   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   lamp bracket adjustment posted by David Poston on 9/7/2002 at 10:46:03 PM
My headlamp, an Elite battery-operated lamp, doesn`t have a pivot point for adjustment. It just clamps right on the bracket.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   lamp bracket adjustment posted by Jeff R on 9/6/2002 at 11:08:13 PM
I'll trade you a Raleigh Heron for a Phillips or a generic one with the 3 egg shape holes. To adjust it don't bend the small tab, instead use your hand and bend the bracket up or down. You only need to tweek it very little to change the beam alot.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   lamp bracket adjustment posted by Chris on 9/7/2002 at 3:45:38 PM
You don't bend the bracket, you adjust the headlamp itself by moving and adjusting the lamp screw/ bolt that holds it in on the bracket. I have never seen anyplace in any literature where they say to bend the bracket.






AGE / VALUE:   Prop stands posted by: David Poston on 9/6/2002 at 9:22:34 PM
What kind of prop stands did they have before the modern Pletscher ones appeared? I have always been curious about the big u-shaped ones that lift the back wheel completely off the ground. These are always found on roadsters made today in the Far East, as well as on the Pashley "high-head" roadster. I'm wondering how this would do with my DL-1. Were these in place before WWII in England? By the way, I was looking through my 1938 Raleigh catalogue and did not find prop stands depicted whatsoever. Did they not have any back then?

David


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Prop stands posted by Jeff R on 9/6/2002 at 10:59:19 PM
Try a butterfly style stand. They work well and hold the rear wheel up.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Prop stands posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/7/2002 at 3:18:40 AM
Thank you David; they are indeed 'prop stands' not 'kick stands' (a 'orrible Americanism almost as bad as 'fenders' for mudguards).

Such things were indeed not common before the war and indeed were extra cost additions afterwards. Raleigh superbe type machines always advertised one of their included extras being a prop stand. And the best in the business, to my taste, are the lovely light alloy elephant-footed ones with the engraved 'RI' emblem (for Raleigh Industries). I don't know if these came in a DL-1 size or not, but my two 26" wheel Rudges and Raleigh all have these. They come up on eBay occasionally.

Oh, I suppose it is still 'bad form' to use a prop stand on a Club cycle...

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Prop stands posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/7/2002 at 4:00:24 PM
My 1957 Superbe with the 28 inch wheels has a long alloy propstand with the R I on it. These are also on the 26 inch wheel machines. These are lovely.
Herbert Terry and Son "Terry's" from Redditch sold a disc with a long steel adjustable rod that snapped up into a clip. These were pre-war kickstands.
Ashby's "Princip" had a stand that folded up into the rear rack. Other companies offered racks. But the Raleigh Co. had those lovely alloy propstands before they switched to Pletcher. The Pletcher scissor stand WILL NOT fit a D.L.1. and it's too bad. The Pletcher stand was special in it's design that it went around the rod brake linkage.
Other Pletcher stands do not.
Probaly true that most bikes were leaned over and a wide variety of grips were offered in celluloyd casing that withstood abuse from leaning the bike all the time.
What I hate about a kickstand is when the bike falls over anyways. Smash! the bezil and glass lens are all busted up and I am left with a busted headlamp. Scratches on handlebars, fenders, twisted rod gear, e.t.c. The finish on the alloy, rubber footed Pletcher stands are not that hot. they're ok.

I don't like a kickstand because it smashes the tubing underneath the bottombracket (the chainstays) the bike is damaged in my opinion and I always hit upon this to haggle it down or pass over it altogether. Newer bikes have it back by the rear wheel and they stick out. At least when somebody installs it there no bolt is turned to smash a chain stay.

   Prop stands in English history posted by David Poston on 9/9/2002 at 5:18:49 AM
I was thinking of something different, I believe, than what you guys are discussing. I am talking about something like this:

http://www.indiarubber.co.uk/shop/bindex.html

Does it have a name? When did they use these? You find them today on roadsters from China or India, but when did they use them in olde England?

David

   RE:Prop stands in English history posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 9/9/2002 at 5:15:48 PM
Rear racks with fold down stands vanished about 1960 in there. Now with springs, I think that is a variation of the British rack with fold down stands as I doubt the Brits had springs on their racks. The springs with rack stands is more Asian but still these are nice racks and stable stands and it looks great.
My Ashby rack with the fold down stand both in 26 and in 28 do not have springs. The alloy kickstands made by Raleigh DO have a spring and sometimes these rust if not cared for. Pletcher's stands do NOT have a spring.
Anything that keeps the bike from resting stably and not leading up to it being knocked over is good.

I loke these stands. I have one for a ancient 26 X 2.125 Schwinn that I hope to one day get into the hands of a Schwinn balloon tire nut that will use and appreciate it.






FOR SALE:   raleighs posted by: pam on 9/6/2002 at 7:43:51 PM
For Sale: 1954 mens raliegh enclosed chain guard, built in
light generator in hub.26" wheels, cable brakes $125/b.o
1977 womens raliegh $35, 1972 womens ltd3 $25
1967 womens phillips $45
i'm about 8 miles west of boston ma, if interested please e-mail. thanks


   RE:FOR SALE:   raleighs posted by michael on 9/6/2002 at 8:38:07 PM
I'm missing a pedal cap for a Raleigh Sports 1966, right side...would you be willing to sell the one on this bike as a part? Does it have a saddle bag? also looking for one of those...






AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mark R. on 9/6/2002 at 7:29:55 PM
Drop what you're doing and check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2138529136


   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by michael on 9/6/2002 at 8:36:10 PM
OK...I've looked at the photos and read the description, but I still cannot understand how you change gears by pedalling forwards, or backwards...and, how in the Hell do you work out the fact that you're pedalling backwards, yet moving forwards?? How does your mind work with that??

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by sam on 9/6/2002 at 11:59:34 PM
what a simple idea.The chain from the bottom of the front sprocket is looped over the top of the large rear sprocket.Pedal in reverse and the small sprocket free-wheels(just like pedaling backward on a 3-speed)but the chain is being "pulled"ovet the top of the large sprocket(low gear)Easy with no shifting!bet that takes some getting use to.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Tim Powell on 9/9/2002 at 9:41:59 AM
Retro Direct gearing was common in pre WWII French bikes. I saw an old one and copied it on a old Raleigh cheap racing bike.. It is an interesting ride. You will need access to a machine shop to make the rear sproket though. I had a discusion with Sheldon Brown about it. I came acroos a wb site in Australia with instructions on how to build one but can no longer find the URL.

Cheers,
Tim.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Tim Powell on 9/9/2002 at 9:47:07 AM
I found the URL it's http://www.smart.net.au/harrop/Retro-Direct/Retro-Direct.htm I really will have to write things down in future as the old memory isn't what it was.
Cheers

Tim






WANTED:   TOOL Kit for old JC HIGGINS 3 spd Touring Bike posted by: Paul on 9/6/2002 at 4:44:44 PM
Does anyone know of a parts source for a nice small tool kit that would have the primary tools needed for most on-the-road repairs? The bike is the Austrian made 3 spd English style touring bike. I'd like something that could be carried in the touring bag behind the seat. Thanks! NOTE:(This is a repeat post I put into the Vintage Bicycle General Wanted Posting site.)


   RE:WANTED:   TOOL Kit for old JC HIGGINS 3 spd Touring Bike posted by Mucus on 9/6/2002 at 5:25:11 PM
Hi, You should look for something like the Mafac tool kit that used to come with a lot of bikes in the ol' days. It had pretty much all the tools neccessary for most "on the road, enough to get home" repairs and adjustments.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   TOOL Kit for old JC HIGGINS 3 spd Touring Bike posted by Mucus on 9/6/2002 at 5:25:58 PM
Try eBay, there is almost always something like this on there.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   TOOL Kit for old JC HIGGINS 3 spd Touring Bike posted by Mucus on 9/6/2002 at 5:27:44 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2136934981
Well sum bich! There is one just like I was talking about! Not mine, no relation, yata yata yata. That's what you want.

   RE:WANTED:   TOOL Kit for old JC HIGGINS 3 spd Touring Bike posted by smg on 9/6/2002 at 5:48:30 PM
The ready-made tool kits are neat, but I've always just put together what I needed out of stock. Assuming you've been careful to keep tightened things that might vibrate loose, the basic road repair is a flat tire. For the Sturmey-hubbed commuter bike, I carry a 6" crescent wrench to deal with the wheel nuts, a pair of tire irons, a spare tube, and a pressure guage--plus a spare wheel nut if I should go overboard and strip one. All this is carried in one dedicated pannier pocket, into which I can reach and get nothing but tools and spares, separated from the rest of my load. The pump is on the frame, and one of the valve caps is replaced by one of those little valve-stem tools.

To go farther from civilization, you need to be prepared to do more. My touring tools added to the above another tube, a patch kit, and such tools (screwdriver/Allen wrenches) necessary to tighten the various fittings. A spare shift and brake cable were carried for emergencies, as well as a pair of needlenose pliers to install them (Don't skimp on the pliers--money buys better cutter jaws!). I always was uncertain about spare spokes on a derailleur bike--the spokes most likely to be broken were the right/rear ones, but to replace them required the freewheel tool, which in turn required a BIG wrench. Opening the brake jaws to clear the distorted rim and keeping in mind the closest town likely to have a bike shop proved to be a better strategy.

The point is: Assess your requirements, take what you need, and package it to fit your bags.






AGE / VALUE:   Vogue magazine posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/6/2002 at 12:59:23 AM
Raleigh sports and red Schwinn 3 speed in this months issue of Vogue magazine.
It's cool, hip and chic to be astride a 3 speed!


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vogue magazine posted by Chris on 9/7/2002 at 5:34:09 PM
This months issue of Vogue. The bikes shown are common, used commuter bikes.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Vogue magazine posted by dave on 9/6/2002 at 5:29:05 PM
... and a BSA rod brake 28' bike in another fashion ad I saw the other day, I think in the New Yorker

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vogue magazine posted by michael on 9/6/2002 at 8:40:03 PM
Can you email me details, page numbers or pics? I have a Raleigh Sports...






AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mark R. on 9/5/2002 at 3:43:58 PM
Hey I wanted to pass along an alert to everyone: I bought a bike froma guy on eBay schwinnboy or schwinnboy2002, J. C. Reznikoff who never sent my bike after I paid him. He is in Spokane Washington. Avoid buying from him at all costs. The up side was that I was contacted by several others who were stiffed by this jackass, and collectively we wrote the Spokane Police Department about this fraud. I was contacted by a detective from their high tech. crimes unit, and he claims he interviewed this morron, and that he is supposedly going to send us our bikes. If he doesn't they are gonna charge him with mail fraud! A felony, and he might even do time! So, if you get stiffed, do the same and contact the local police, it just might get your money back, or your stuff sent!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Stacey on 9/5/2002 at 6:09:11 PM
Cool! Rock on Mark... It's those kind of people who ruin it for the rest of us. Keep us posted, eh?






AGE / VALUE:   Brampton hub posted by: smg on 9/5/2002 at 3:01:43 PM
At Recycled Cycles last night, I found what seemed to be a 3-speed hub marked "Brampton" and "No. 140 - 2". Turning the cog revealed a high-gear advance that looked similar to that of an AW, which it resembled absolutely except for the markings. The shell was 36-hole, and looked like it might be alloy. Anybody know anything?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brampton hub posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/5/2002 at 5:10:42 PM
Brampton hubs and fitments come up on eBay occasionally; I have a few pix in my Yahoo Club "Roll Britannia" under the photo album for Sturmey Archer. As to their history, fate and any relationship with SA, I regret I know about as much as you do!

Speaking of Sturmey Archer, does anyone out there know when rims and other bits from Raleigh, Rudges, Humbers etc. stopped being marked "Raleigh" in favour of "Sturmey Archer"? From the machines I've seen, it happened in the early '60s and might be another way to date these bikes. Raleigh were famous for manufacturing EVERYTHING under one roof for their bicycles but this seems to have begun to deteriorate by the mid '60s. At one point, Raleigh had the largest chrome-plating plant in all Europe.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brampton hub posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/5/2002 at 6:55:51 PM
We don't make bicycles, we make bicycles possible. that was their ad saying.
Brampton fittings L.t.d. I believe in Handsworth, U.K.

When you say that this hub "looked like it might be alloy" is very interesting to me as I have never seen or heard of an alloy shell Brampton labeled hub.

It would be great to know that they indeed had alloy Brampton 3 speed hubs.
I believe the only ones to be an alloy shell hub came from Sturmey- Archer themselves and then only the Nottingham, England factory. The hubs saying on them Sturmey-Archer.
I have an T.C.W. mark 1 hub marked alloy.
This is generally discussed in Hadland's book the Sturmey- Archer story.
The basic Sturmey Archer A.W. 3 speed was made by Brampton, Hercules which was part of the B.C.C. British Cycle Corporation. Steyr or Steyr- Daimler- Puch of Graz Austria but those are considered out of patent clones. Sears had a licence arrangement for the U.S. and those have that aweful(my opinion) ribbed steel shell. The Sears hubs are marked Austria however. ALL of these hubs have interchangable innards but the exception is the Hercules Cycle and Motor stamped hubs. Those are unique because the parts are better quality, hard, machined steel with threaded drivers. Those hubs are wonderful. The shifters are a whole another story altogether. I won't touch on these right now. The Hercules 3 speeds are still interchangable with the rest but, why would you want to? This hub, the A.W. and the Brampton you mention was the basic, bread and butter hub that went into a ton of diffrent brands and makes of bikes.
Some of the Sturmey's from 1947-1954 (maybe 1955 too)have alloy shells which are a neat plus, but they don't get any more strange or unique than that.

We don't know what the "B- type four" or other mysterious labels on these hubs mean except that this is what they did for some reason. The hub that is stamped B type four is NOT a four speed so why this was labeled this way is weird.
No four speeds were ever made by Brampton or Hercules, or Steyr. Sturmey- Archer had those to themselves. It, (The copying, other plants in other places were limited to only the A.W. s and the later short lived S.W.'s. This was enough anyways as those places had humming machinery churning out a ton of them for years. The Graz Austria Stey'r hubs went on being prodoced until 1972 or in there.
A S.W. hub clone labeled Brampton and Hercules was made. It is the Sturmey-Archer S.W. hub wearing a diffrent shirt basically. These are kinda rare, and cool to have in the collection if you are a collector, fan of old Sturmey- Archer type hubs.
The hubs to have are: Sturmey-Archer's other models, the other ratio race, club type hubs. The A.S.C. is probably most sought after of them all. This is the 3 speed fixed gear, then the F.C., F.M., A.C., A.R. F.W. and the rest.

It should be noted that the whole British cycle Industry was more large, sprawling and more intricate than we imagine.
It was all tied in and mixed around in among itself making the task of unraveling it to study, not easy to do.
Pedals, many kinds, many grades, many logos.
many companies making them. Now, multiply that by other parts like headsets, rims, tires,handlebars, handlebar grips, light sets. More than one company making a same type part like another company in a diffrent location.
There were thousands of Employees at Joseph Lucas.
A whole range of bicycle accesories.
Then the motorcycle range,
of course, the car stuff that relates to M.G. and so many others.
That's just Lucas.
Brown brothers had buildings, large ones all over the place.
A fleet of Brown delivery trucks all their own, a whole line of bikes called Vindec. Brown Brothers was the people the shops ordered from. Huge catalog. Today I see that the current Huge, collosal Dana Corporation sprung from that Brown Brothers Empire.
Phillips was huge.
Constrictor Tyre( made more than tires, too)
Blumels mudguards
John Bull (tires, grips, patch kits)
Four or five makers of British made bicycle bells.

Lloyds, the decal fellow says that large firms like Raleigh literally released THOUSANDS of diffrent decal transfers during their many years of trading.
People all over the world rode and ride bicycles made in England.
Then there is a whole another world unto itself and these are the British vintage lightweight bicycles, their parts and a once large bunch of lightweight bicycle builders a few of which are just barely touched upon at the Cycles De Oro Site. It's getting better, thats a great site, keep an eye on it and learn! Shops (small outfits) that specialized in frame restoration were plentiful. They re- enameled, plated, did decals, they machined and busted their tails and turned out wonderful bikes. I saw a old one that had charm, was light as a feather and the fellow wanted and got $500.00 for it last swap meet.
If we opened up a door to the past, and showed it all to you, you'd get dizzy and need to sit down, we'd have to go slowly and we'd need a batch of expert guide.

The same is true with
Italian made leightweight frames, parts
French and all the others.
There is Sheldon Brown's site at SheldonBrown.com you can see the Sturmey-Archer hubs in a color sheet there.

Cycles De Oro's web site Classics Rendezvous
The Canberra Bicycle Museaum and Resource Center in Australia. (they're on the net)
Hadland.net (Tony Hadlands site, filled with service repair related info and excellent books.)

The book: The Dancing Chain, History and development of the derailer bicycle. Go order it, it opens up the "door" to vintage derailers
You would not believe all the different small wheeled folding type bicycles. There is: the Folding Society and it covers more than just the various Moulton bikes.
There is so much more, follow and explore the links at various sites. The changes that have occured are something else again! We live today in a entirely different world. If you know anybody older who can speak with authority and experience on something, not just old bikes, Please sit and take it down on paper or tape before they pass away and the chance is lost forever.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brampton hub posted by WillieL. on 9/6/2002 at 12:51:29 PM
Comment for P.C. Kohler's question on rim markings:
I have a Rudge/Raleigh with an S-A AW3 hub marked 63 9 and the rims on the bike are marked "Raleigh."

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brampton hub posted by WillieL. on 9/6/2002 at 12:51:31 PM
Comment for P.C. Kohler's question on rim markings:
I have a Rudge/Raleigh with an S-A AW3 hub marked 63 9 and the rims on the bike are marked "Raleigh."






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help posted by: Arvi Lomp on 9/5/2002 at 7:43:33 AM
Hello from Estonia.
I need help to find out information about old English bike.
I belive this model from 30's.
About bicycle:
Phillips ladys bicycle- model Supreme
color- black
serial nr F34484
wheels- John Bull service tyre size 28x1 3/4
airballoons -John Bull service tyre
Drum brakes -Grabbe
Leather saddle- Lyccet's Imperial
Phillips bell , rear rack, yellow reclector
If somebody know ,where I can find out information,
please let me know.
Thank you
Arvi
Tallinn Estonia


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help posted by Mucus on 9/5/2002 at 3:51:54 PM
Arvi, You came to the right place. It sounds like you found a neat bike. It may have some value as well. Too bad it's a ladies model.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 9/6/2002 at 12:48:39 AM
Lycettes Imperial saddle? Wow! Sounds very original. You have a nice bike there. That leather seat, wow.

Information: Phillips of Birmingham, England made fine quailty bikes. They were eventually merged with Raleigh in Nottingham, 1960 and about 1968 or in there we stoped seeing as many Phillips branded bikes. Today the name still belongs to Raleigh who has it on a small wheel bike made by Dahon.

A tremendous amount of change. You have a good example of when Phillips was a renouned brand like the badge says.

Any replacement part you could ever need is sold here at oldroads.com and/ or SheldonBrown.com of Harris Cycles.
Well, mostly anyways. If you hit a bump and have difficulty look on e- bay or contact us here at oldroads.com again and somebody will help you.
Those tires, to replace them might be difficult as they are 28 X 1 3/4 and not the more standard 28 x 1 1 /2 size we usually see.

Still, don't let that scare you, we have all been faced with finding these size before so ask us here and we'll crack that problem if it happens.

Gear cable, gear overhaul, parts for hubs, heck even the decal/transfers are out there. No problem, not really.
Take a look at Sheldon Brown's site at Sheldonbrown.com amnd look at the English 3 speeds care and feeding section and the rest of what he has on these bikes.
Best of all, Sheldon does not ramble like I do! (grin)
There are lots more people interested in these bikes than you realize. Interest is up and we have a lot of folks out here in bike land to work with.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 9/6/2002 at 1:06:51 AM
Ok, so they are drum brakes. The seat, hubs, and other parts are vintage and collectable in their own right but kept together it is a wonderful, original marvelous machine. We don't see to many Crabbe drub brake hubs.
I have exploded disagrams of some of the crabbe drum brake hubs as do other folks lurking about here.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help posted by Chris on 9/5/2002 at 7:00:49 PM
Brakes are: Crabbe
and these could be drub brake hubs.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help posted by Edward in Vancouver on 9/6/2002 at 2:18:42 PM
What are "Crabbe drub, drum brakes"? Larger or smaller than the 90 mm S.A. drums? Better built? Hey, I want to know about this stuff, 'cause it sounds very interesting.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/6/2002 at 2:56:38 PM
I have a page or two showing the entire Crabbe range of drum brakes in my 1949-50 Phillips fitments catalogue. I just lent to a neighbour who took delivery yesterday of a 1961 Phillips "Roadmaster" rod-braked roadster. When I get this back, I'll scan the pages and post on "Roll Britannia".

By the way, this Phillips came from the same Ann Arbor eBay dealer my '48 Raleigh did. And guess what: the fork on the Phillips was bent too!! And in the same way. Some people just won't learn that you can't cram a fork into a block of styroform and expect it do anything. Ann Arbor UPS men must be pretty rough. This bike cost about $30 so I guess it's a "deal".

This is a fascinating machine in deplorable condition. 26" Westwood rims, round section mudguards, bolted backstays, hockey chainguard, dark green (well some guy brush painted the rear half black including the hub and spokes-- college kids!?!?##@@) and front dynohub. Rust? This looks like it went down with the LUSITANIA. But nothing's hopeless. Start with the wonderful Phillips brass headbadge and...

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help posted by arvi lomp on 9/6/2002 at 7:07:16 PM
Who this madman`P.C Kohler
First mr. P.C.Kohler you should know-
in 1940 russians occupied Estonia and after the
we was in cage.
This bicycle from 30's and if you haven't information about this model better if you stay away.
Arvi

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/6/2002 at 9:49:55 PM
Actually, I was actually discussing a Phillips other than your own. I imagine they made quite few cycles before 1930 and rather more afterwards. As for Soviets and Estonia and sundries, I'll leave that to others... my only visit to Tallinn was in 1983.

P.C. Kohler, a.k.a. madman

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/7/2002 at 5:04:12 PM
P. C. Kohler is not the resident "madman" here. I probably am, actually. Also Mr. Kohler has created a web page about these bikes and is adding to it for the benefit of folks who have interest in these bikes. His advice is sound too.
It bothers me too that we don't instantly have all the information and pictures and well potted history. You want information on one bike. I want answers to historical questions for my own interests. You think you are fustrated? Phillips is cake compared to other makes, models, places and people involved. The folks who were there are dead, retired and mostly those still living are not computer literate and so they can't or don't or are not willing to share what they DO know. They don't send us scrapbooks to show off here. They guard what material they do have. It gets tossed out. Whole Cycling legacies are vanishing. One friend is waiting to write his story because it's going to be honest and cutting and truthful and some of the parties to be mentioned are still living and he's still working and so he's being careful.
I have learned that you have to sometimes do more than just ask a question. You can do this to a point but im my case they eventually want you to buy a book or a video from them. You have to buy something and get to know them. This is applying to myself and not really you.
Nobody is saying you have to buy a book but you might consider it. Except I cannot think of a book about Phillips because it has not been done per se.

Somebody here would have to own a 1930's catalog that shows your model and as of yet, if somebody does, we don't have it shown up on the internet. Phillips is a manufactuer that has sliped into the mists of time with people fixating on Raleigh. We are adding to the webs currently available information and color pictures all the time. To search for info on Phillips through the computer is not easy yet. Question is where do we find a catalog showing your bike? That model?
I hear all the time about folks passing on and then it's more difficult to work in this. I reach for the phone thinking the problem is solved and then I remember he's passed on. I have projects in the pipeline and they'll be stoped cold because time will have run out. One fellow is in his 80's and when he's gone it's gonna really bite because I'll be hitting a lot of brick walls.
If I do get ahold of a scrap book I won't be able to understand it or appreciate it and telling about it here or anyplace will be difficult (sometimes) because I won't know enough to accurately tell about it.
You have to understand that whole companies are gone, all of the files, pictures, coorespondence, archives have been cleaned out, burned on purpose to create space. Companies change hands, and all the old stuff is cleaned out. If somebody is there who cares than it's saved, but not many collectors go off on a tangent to educate folks who look in the internet. Not many catalogs are displayed on the internet. They are sold but not usually given away for free. These things are in museaums and getting ahold of a cureator who is able to help you is real work. No great project has been undertaken to showcase all that Phillips was. We have bits and pieces scattered about much is lost and the rest? Who knows where is is? People like yourself pop up and we try to answer as best as we can. The yellow brick road was torn up, scattered about and every now and then somebody has a yellow brick to show and we see it and marvel.

What do you want to know about this bike? Look on e- bay for a color Phillips catalog if you want one. You have the actual bike and it is a rare gem from a interesating part of the world.
Do you want to know a value? Are you trying to sell it?
In general, unless you are a lady interested in vintage bikes. In general, a ladies frame bicycle is worth less than a mans model. That's the way it is. I guess the men are more rough on the bicycle and thus they don't last as long and so when wee see a older mans model in good shape(condition or nick) then more money is offerd. Still your bike is rare anyways so don't worry. Given a choice choose the older mans model bike if buying a bike to sell later.
You mentioned "we was in cage" I am sorry to hear that the Russians occupied your country. When I read history I shake my head in disbelief at the things that have happened and that still happen.

Your personal story about the Russian occupation should be told so people will know what you and your family went through and endured. I suggest you write a book or contribute something to a web site where such stories are shown. This web site here, is about vintage bicycles. Good Luck to you.
humerchristopher28@hotmail.com






AGE / VALUE:   The crazed, blind, digging squirrel made out rather well! posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 9/5/2002 at 12:40:53 AM
Bell wingnuts! Yes.... I have those in the stash! I took home every wingnut in the whole place. I turned everything in and out and just about killed myself falling down those stairs but I left no wingnuts of any kind there and today I see Bell Wingnuts on e- bay at a nice price too.
Yes, it was sweet to see these on e- bay. Those Simplex skewers, yes again I have these!
Ideal model 90's with dural rails, yes!
Boxes full of wingnuts and a kings ransom of those Bell's!
Simplex chainguards? yes. I hated it but I brought home 40 of these!
I must say, I was lucky to go home with something so pretty because I got to the party late, young and inexperienced!




   RE:AGE / VALUE:   The crazed, blind, digging squirrel made out rather well! posted by Ray on 9/5/2002 at 1:50:19 PM
Chris, I need one bell wing nut to complete a project. If you have an odd one I would be interested in purchasing it. I am finishing up a late 40 Rene Herse tandem and it has 3 bell wingnuts and one other type. Also if you are into trades I have a lot of stuff. I would also be interested in the Ideal dural, again if you need anything let me know or just tell me what you want to get for them.
Ray






AGE / VALUE:   Cam busters? Hercules 3 speed shifter posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/4/2002 at 4:44:02 PM
This Hercules cycle and motor 3 speed shifter has a tiny square little decal or painted box with the words "Cam Busters" on it. Cool and strange!
It does work rather nicely too.







AGE / VALUE:   Vintage clothes to go with that Roadster bicycle? posted by: Chris on 9/4/2002 at 12:04:06 AM
Vintage clothes.
Hmm. I see clothing ads in 1960's Cycling/ Cycling and Mopeds.

Oh, Mopeds, there is a whole host of helmets and gloves and chaps or whatever they wore in the 1960's riding the N.S.U. to work and back. We have missed this and it's sliped into obscurity except for the small bit that has survived to today to be leathered up and made grotesque unless you like that type of look and all that. I'm talking 1960's mopeds fashions and what is authentic for bicycle riders. I heard on the History Channel's bit on the color footage of W.W.2.
that the British soldiers wore a more coarse type of clothing that the U.S. guys did. That U.S. fabric was of better or more finely woven grade. The diffrence was noticed. Oh the fabric industry, I won't go into all that here. Oh the changes there!
Well, to be specific. I see Italian leather bicycle shoes for the race type bikes. Nice shoes. Find them today? I can't guess where. Never checked e- bay for vintage cycling shoes. Now the merchants that took out ads in "Cycling" they offered diamond patterned socks! and Cella Co. made capes and rain gear. There was a selection of sweaters but without looking into this I have no exact idea of what people wore when riding these bikes. A more through/ complete look into fashions at the time like 1950's 1960's clothes is needed.

Vintage clothes are a neat- o world unto themselves and for not knowing much I have done rather well with it. They tell me I'm doing fine and bring them more.

Tweed perhaps? Well if you are a School professor yes, kinda, yes. Still what type, what exact type of pants/slacks or work pants and shoes, What kind of shoes? I guess it's time to talk with a vintage clothes retailer in the U.K.


   Period clothing fanatic posted by David Poston on 9/4/2002 at 1:10:35 AM
Period clothes? I'm the guy to talk to here. I've done tons of research on vintage clothing, and like to "dress up" as well, but alas most of my expertise relates to 19th century and early 20th century clothing. If you want look c. 1880-1920 (my favorite era), I can tell you exactly what you need, depending upon climate, culture, class, etc. I can even provide you with internet retailers, hopefully. Fifties and sixties? Sorry, I can't help too much there. Never was my interest. I can tell you that www.costumes.org is a great site to browse through. Go under "history" and you can see clothes, read articles, even find out where to buy them on basically any time period imaginable. Searching on e-bay might bring up a few vintage items (I've seen vintage cycling shoes for sale; hey, my dad even has some), but the problem with vintage clothing (i.e. not reproductions) is 1) they never fit (usually too small for you larger gentlemen) and/or 2) they are in a condition too poor to be worn. Your best bet is to find a decent period tailor who reproduces clothing of your era of interest. I am currently having a "sac suit" c. 1914 made for me by an excellent tailor in Canada, and his quality is amazing. However, the price is not cheap. If you're serious about this, you have to pay the money, just like the rest of life. I would start by doing some yahoo! searches with keywords like "vintage cycling wear," etc. and see what it comes up with. Check out the costumes.org site, and you might also try period cycling magazines, if you can find any. Good luck.

David

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage clothes to go with that Roadster bicycle? posted by sam on 9/4/2002 at 2:34:20 AM
Offten wondered if those cork helmets(India) you see the british wareing in all the moves would work for bicycling.I see then advertized in shotgun news,along with a lot of British army uniforms--P.C. you'd look so british!!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage clothes to go with that Roadster bicycle? posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/4/2002 at 2:47:42 AM
I may pine for 1948 air in my Raleigh tyres, but have never considered "period" cycling attire! Judging from those wonderful catalogues (by the way, did you catch the '51 Raleigh one that went for $101.00 the other day on eBay?!!) gents riding De Luxe Sports Tourists wore Saville Row suits when cycling, a country tweed suit for lesser sorts owning a Popular and the sporty young lads on Lentons wore rugby shirts, those great short shorts and knee socks, oh, and one of those wonderful English summer sports jackets of course. The closest I get to all this is to wear my old British Merchant Navy knee socks when I cycle. It's the only part of my uniform that still fits!

But NO spandex... I saw a chap riding today with the most god awful garish Mafei or whatever jersey thing... I just had to laugh, pull up me knee socks and get back on my Rudge.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage clothes to go with that Roadster bicycle? posted by David Poston on 9/4/2002 at 6:42:35 AM
P.C.,

You were in the British merchant navy? I can't figure you out. Are you a Brit or no? As darn close to an English chap I've ever met here in the States. I've never seen you in person, but you'd look the part in period attire, more than I would at any rate. Climb aboard your Rudge in style, methinks!

Cheers,

David.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage clothes to go with that Roadster bicycle? posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/4/2002 at 1:07:51 PM
No, David, I'm an American-- I was in the Merchant Navy for only four months in 1990 serving as an Asst. Purser aboard the Royal Mail Ship ST. HELENA which links Britain with her "dependencies" (that ghastly word for colonies nowadays) in the South Atlantic: Ascension, St.Helena and Tristan da Cunha islands and then to South Africa.

Come to think of it, I think St. Helena and Tristan da Cunha are two places in the world sans any bicycles. At least I never saw any.

But if you like nice white knee socks for your cycling "kit", get yourself to a British uniform shop! Oh and they also have those really short shorts (like 1966 football kit) too for those of you with Lentons and Pathfinders.

P.C. Kohler, enjoying the ride as we careen off-topic here

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage clothes to go with that Roadster bicycle? posted by Albert on 9/4/2002 at 2:41:42 PM
Acceptably authentic pants for men would be "plus-fours". These looked rather like those worn by golfers decades ago. The overhang above the high socks would be a bit more than those seen on the golf course---they were said to be "plus-twos".

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage clothes to go with that Roadster bicycle? posted by David Poston on 9/4/2002 at 5:38:41 PM
I plan to take numerous photos of myself wearing period clothing whilst riding my Rudge and Raleigh. I'll be sure to post these on my yahoo photo album. I already have some pictures that are halfway decent, but as soon as I get my authentic sac suit done I'll be looking like a young chap around the time of the Great War. I have plans for a woolen Norfolk suit this winter. There's nothing like the thrill of riding through your neighborhood aboard your Raleigh, elbows tucked in to the sides, sitting upright and proper, wearing a suitable hat or cap with one of those short jackets, knickers, knee-high socks, and some hi-top dress shoes (Stacy Adams makes some great ones that haven't changed a bit since 1875). People just stop and stare at you, as if you just stepped out of the last century. You nod gracefully and ring your Lucas King of the Road bell as you go by.

David

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage clothes to go with that Roadster bicycle? posted by Edward in Vancouver on 9/4/2002 at 7:23:58 PM
Just for the H. of it, those "Pith Helmets", the kind you always see in the movies worn by Brits are available, at least in Canada at a store Called "Lee Valley". The store specializes in woodworking and gardening tools,and I think they have affiliate stores in the states. I wonder how this helmet would behave when riding a bike? I'm not much for "period" clothing, and won't wear any wool clothing right next to my skin...

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage clothes to go with that Roadster bicycle? posted by Chris on 9/5/2002 at 1:02:52 AM
I want those socks with diamond patterns on them!

   "pine for 1948 air" posted by sam on 9/5/2002 at 12:12:00 PM
P.C. you may be American but you surely have a wonderful british sence of humor.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage clothes to go with that Roadster bicycle? posted by Tim Powell on 9/5/2002 at 4:00:58 PM
Hi,
I wear a fibre version of the Pith helmet. I got it in Vietnam, they all wear these there when riding their Chinese roadster bikes. It's great in the summer with a chin strap to keep it on. It keeps the sun off my bald spot just fine.
Cheers.

   RE:English roadster bicycles/ clothes to ride in posted by Chris on 9/6/2002 at 12:34:49 AM
One fellow used a workmans cap and overalls and a gentle good natured disposition and a smile. This is not usually a problem with our bunch anyways.


   Pith helmets? posted by David Poston on 9/5/2002 at 10:22:11 PM
Pith helmets? You could wear them, but you'll look more like someone from the Boer War or a hunter on safari than a refined gentleman aboard his roadster. I guess it would go well with one of those heavy-duty military cycles. For summer wear, I find a straw boater or homburg to be more appropriate.

David