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Archived: English Roadsters







AGE / VALUE:   So who lives in New Jersey? posted by: sam on 1/10/2003 at 11:21:52 PM
Tex is a fur piece to drive for this--http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22681&item=1987584576 but if I were closer...........So you don't see english tandums often.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   So who lives in New Jersey? posted by Mark R. on 1/11/2003 at 12:26:15 AM
Yeah, I'm right here in good old New Jersey. I bid on it, we'll see.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   So who lives in New Jersey? posted by Oscar on 1/11/2003 at 2:07:29 PM
It looks like a diamond in the rough.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   So who lives in New Jersey? posted by Warren on 1/11/2003 at 5:48:14 PM
It's nice that it has the captains seatpost with stokers stem/bars...it would be really nice to see if any of the crankset remains with this bike. They will be exceedingly hard to replace.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   So who lives in New Jersey? posted by David on 1/11/2003 at 7:07:24 PM
There was a complete tandem roadster on ebay a year or two ago. 28" wheels, AB hub, etc etc. Unfortunately, it was in Oklahoma - shipping to Boston seemed hopelessly expensive.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   So who lives in New Jersey? posted by Brian on 1/11/2003 at 7:49:35 PM
I'm tempted, but it's true that finding the correct chainwheels & bits will be a real b___! I've got two other projects going & when this frozen snow melts, I want to ride..not wrench!






AGE / VALUE:   Sunbeam for sale posted by: Pete on 1/10/2003 at 5:04:26 PM
Hello All I have for sale a just prewar Sunbeam sports (light roadster?)bike in orginal, complete ,unrestored condition. it has a 21" frame and 26" wheels. It retains most of it's paint and there are faint signs of pinstriping and transfers. It is fitted with BSA side pull brakes, BSA threespeed,with banjo
shifter and downturned north road bars $250 + shipping








ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   English roadster type bicycles from India posted by: J. M. Vernooy on 1/10/2003 at 3:35:07 AM
Does anyone know of any bicycle distributors in the USA that a bicycle shop could buy a small quantity, (4 to 6), of Roadsters made in India from. I have been looking for sources for the shop where I am one of the buyers as well as mechanic, but haven't yet found any. I put together a three speed roadster a few weeks ago, somewhat like the roadsters that the Broadway Bicycle School sells, and have gotten some good interest though it hasn't been sold yet. I think it would be good to offer some of this type of bicycle in the USA at this time. There hasn't been anything "new" to bicycle types recently. Imagine, a bicycle with fenders, chaincover, lights, carrier, kickstand, and a comfortable saddle on sale next to the fenderless, chainguardless, lightless, kickstandless, etc. bikes that we are usually offering to cutomers. Someone's bound to think it's the greatest "new" idea. Also, would give me a chance to tell them where that "new" idea came from. We have never stopped carrying Sturmey Archer products, cotter bolts in all common sizes, nor forgotten how to repair or just clean and lube a Sturmey Archer AW hub. When I needed a job about thirty years ago I decided to take some time off and went looking for parts to repair a bicycle. Found the job that I've had for the last thirty years when I asked for a Sturmey Archer indicator spindle and they said, "Don't know, but if we do it would be in that case. Look for yourself." It sounded like they could use someone who knew what an indicator spindle is and asked for a job. Sorry about the ramble, but I've probably been looking for new roadsters in the USA too long.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   English roadster type bicycles from India posted by sam on 1/10/2003 at 3:39:19 PM
Why not contact Benotto in Mexico City,they build rod brake roadesters and a good 10speed roadester too!Also have a verry fine line of M/Bs and Small bikes even a 20" road bike 3 speed for young rodeies. www.benotto.com.mx You could import direct from the factory,become a USA Benotto dealer---sam

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: English roadster type bicycles from India posted by J. M. Vernooy on 1/10/2003 at 7:40:57 PM
Thanks, I'll have to consider them. But we're located in New York State, and I was hoping to find a distributor in the NYC area or Chicago area. Our shop isn't big enough to buy the size orders that importing usually requires.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: English roadster type bicycles from India posted by Mucus on 1/11/2003 at 11:03:21 PM
allseasons06@earthlink.net
Check with the guy at this address. He had the bikes on eBay last week, maybe he can help you find a distributor, or sell you the bikes himself.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   English roadster type bicycles from India posted by David on 1/12/2003 at 4:27:52 AM
I'd like to see some of these:
www.breezerbikes.com

They look pretty good; Shimano 7-speed and dyno hubs, fenders, lights, etc...

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: English roadster type bicycles from India posted by J. M. Vernooy on 1/12/2003 at 4:51:46 PM
Contacting the guy who had the bikes on Ebay looks like a good idea. I will email him to see if he can help me. Thanks.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: English roadster type bicycles from India posted by J. M. Vernooy on 1/12/2003 at 5:18:23 PM
Breezers are sold all over the USA, including at a very nice bike shop in NYC.As rare types of bicycles go, that's too close to have another shop seling them. To me they look more like Dutch bikes than English roadsters and their tire size, while more common, will encourage some to use tires that are too wide for the pedaling efficiency of a roadster, even though a range of narrower tires are available that fit the 26x1.5/26x1.75 rims, but they are close. The idea of selling new bicycles that have the proper 32/40 spokes per wheel, 26x1 3/8 inch or 28x1 1/2 inch tires, and have a full chaincase is more tempting. Besides they come as single speed bicycles. I can put a Sturmey Archer hub on them, the ones that I still prefer even if they are not made in England.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   British Cycle Exports to USA posted by: P.C. Kohler on 1/9/2003 at 11:59:44 PM
How rare is rare? I mean is a 1949 British bicycle found in the USA rarer than say a 1952 one? Well, judging from these figures pertaining to the export of all British make cycles to the United States.... it sure the heck is! An amazing “explosion” in sales between 1949 and 1950 alone. Raleigh Industries USA was started in November 1947. By 1952, the USA was the 5th largest export market in the world for British cycles. And that was just the beginning... Oh, Hercules accounted for fully one-third of all British export cycles, Phillips was close behind, the latter so export oriented that it was a rather rare make in England.

Year Number of Machines Exported to USA
1947 19,336
1948 15,504
1949 14,438
1950 61,417
1951 119,296
1952 185,188

P.C. Kohler, even more pleased now to own a ‘48 Raleigh and a ‘49 Rudge, both USA export models!


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: British Cycle Exports to USA posted by J. M. Vernooy on 1/10/2003 at 3:33:16 AM
Was wondering if the exporting of bicycles to the US had anything to do with the paying off of war debts. A December news story on National Public Radio,(http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=873954, audio of part 2 of the report), said that the "Killer Fog of 1952" that descended on London in December of that year was in large part due to the fact that fireplaces in London homes were burning soft coal scraps because the cleaner burning hard coal had been sent mostly to the US to repay war debt. Did the US also get English bicycles as part of the war debt payment?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: British Cycle Exports to USA posted by P.C. Kohler on 1/10/2003 at 5:38:54 AM
Absolutely! Britain was totally mobilised for the first five years after the war to replenish its war-starved foreign currency holdings and pay off its huge debts. Don’t think for a moment that America just gave Britain “the tools to finish the job” (Roosevelt); we made them pay dearly for everything plus interest!! The war bankrupted Britain. Consequently it became a matter of “export or die”. British bicycles were an enormously important part of that effort to the tune of 185,000 or so exported a year when it counted the most. India, Pakistan, Nigeria, the Gold Coast, South Africa, Southern Rhodesia were the biggest Empire markets; the Argentine was the biggest non Commonwealth importer. And of course the USA became increasingly important. The first big British cycle and motor cycle show in the USA was in New York in 1950; even the Duke of Windsor was there to pose with the new Humbers “by Appointment” to his brother!

And to ensure that almost of all of Britain’s cycle production was geared to export, the Atlee Government slapped on a 30 per cent (!) tax on purchases of new bicycles in Britain starting in 1946 or so. Consequently, practically no one in Britain had a new mount for about five years after the war. There were also shortages of chrome which peaked in 1950 when stainless steel rims were offered as stock for the better Raleigh, Rudges and Humbers for example to get around this. Alloy was used a lot during this period since there was more of it than mild steel. Were all those Lenton rims and handlebars made of melted down Spitfires and Halifaxes I wonder?! It wasn’t until 1950 and the Festival of Britain that the tax on new cycles was cut and post-war leisure cycling was re-introduced. There was a even a Festival of Cycling that year to promote that it was “ok” to buy a new bike and enjoy cycling again!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: British Cycle Exports to USA posted by J. M. Vernooy on 1/10/2003 at 12:24:13 PM
Thank you. I had always thought that it was just a pleasant coincidence that when I was 8 years old and wanted an English bike they were here. I never really thought about why before.
Thanks again,
John






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   British Cycle Exports to USA posted by: P.C. Kohler on 1/9/2003 at 11:59:44 PM
How rare is rare? I mean is a 1949 British bicycle found in the USA rarer than say a 1952 one? Well, judging from these figures pertaining to the export of all British make cycles to the United States.... it sure the heck is! An amazing “explosion” in sales between 1949 and 1950 alone. Raleigh Industries USA was started in November 1947. By 1952, the USA was the 5th largest export market in the world for British cycles. And that was just the beginning... Oh, Hercules accounted for fully one-third of all British export cycles, Phillips was close behind, the latter so export oriented that it was a rather rare make in England.

Year Number of Machines Exported to USA
1947 19,336
1948 15,504
1949 14,438
1950 61,417
1951 119,296
1952 185,188

P.C. Kohler, even more pleased now to own a ‘48 Raleigh and a ‘49 Rudge, both USA export models!







AGE / VALUE:   Rudge-Whitworth posted by: Brian on 1/9/2003 at 9:33:38 PM
Winter restoration project? This one's go'in need more than a winter!







FOR SALE:   Cyclo Benelux 3 cog set on e-bay posted by: edgarecks on 1/9/2003 at 8:07:52 PM
Hey kids! I just listed this conversion unit on e-bay, item # 2153520530. Like the ad says, if you want to triple the gears on your Sturmey-equipped bike and keep it authentic, this is the way to go! BTW, I rode 3,000 miles in 2002 on my Schwinn cruiser with an SA five speed, another 3,000 on my other bikes (yay me!)







AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth posted by: Ed on 1/9/2003 at 2:12:00 AM
Check out ebay item number 2153162176.Nice winter restoration project for someone.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth posted by Ed. on 1/9/2003 at 2:18:09 AM
Sorry guys I copied the wrong number.Try 2153146091.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Swedish...not Indian Roadsters posted by: Warren on 1/9/2003 at 1:09:41 AM
OK...if I had to buy a repro-roadster I would buy this one...

http://www.kronancycle.com/

I know we talked about this one before but have a look at the specs. Miche front hub, SRAM rear 3 speed with hub brake, stainless westwood rims in both 28" (womens 700c) and 26 X 1 1/2" (mens 584 bead), pump, lights and it's own style. It's listed for $600 cdn or about $400 US. I've ridden one and although different from an english bike, it's a nice mount. I'd take one of these over 3...hell 4 of the indian roadsters. Check out the front cargo rack in the parts list.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Swedish...not Indian Roadsters posted by Warren on 1/9/2003 at 1:32:29 AM
BTW, nice minimalist website. These guys are the IKEA of bikes...when you click on "Company" you'll see a great pic of the cargo rack. I'm starting to seriously covet one of these puppies. I like red...(click)...no gray...(click)...no...

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Swedish...not Indian Roadsters posted by Mark R. on 1/9/2003 at 3:06:21 PM
Sum-bich! The womans bike has 28 in. wheels, and the mans has only 26 in.!!! Wazzup wid dat??? Dang!
I think the bikes look a little too pedestrian for the ammount they're asking.
I'd want the 28 in. wheels as well. And, I think the frame is too small! We need 24 in frames!!!!!!
If they took the basic bike and made those changes: 28 in. wheels, 24 in. frame they would have a better product.
I'll write them meself!!






MISC:   A Different Iraq, a Different Age posted by: P.C. Kohler on 1/8/2003 at 11:41:28 PM
If one has any doubts that the tide of civilisation continues to receed all over the world......


PHILLIPS MACHINES PRESENTED TO THE BOY KING FAISAL II

On the anniversary of Coronation Day, two specially designed Phillips roadsters were presented to the boy King Faisal II of Iraq. Phillips bicycles have been established in the Iraqi for over half a century, and their agent presented the machines to the youthful king at the Royal Palace in Baghdad.

After carefully examing every feature of the cycles, the King presented one to his friend H.R.H. Princess Raad, son of the present Iraqi Ambassador to Great Britain, H.R.H. Prince Zaid. A novel feature at the ceremony was a demonstration by a well-known Iraqi cyclist Abdul Sahibali. He also rides a Phillips cycle, a sports model specially constructed to meet the arduous conditions experienced in the country.

As a result of the presentation, H.M. King Faisal appointed the Phillips agent in Iraq as the special supplier and repairer of bicycles of the Royal Family.

Export Trader, August 1947.

N.B. King Faisal II was assassinated 14 July 1958 by army officers and Iraq became a Republic. The rest, as they say, is history.

P.C. Kohler







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rear Reflector for DL-1 posted by: keith on 1/8/2003 at 5:57:11 PM
Is anyone willing to sell a rear fender mounted reflector for a DL-1. The rubber encased round version. It doesn't have to be new or raleigh, it just has to look like the right ones they came with. I've seen old Schwinns with these, will they work?. Also, it has to be under $15. Thanks.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rear Reflector for DL-1 posted by keith on 1/9/2003 at 2:57:09 PM
So, no one has any information about rear fender mounted reflectors? Common, give me anything to look into. Any useful suggestions? Anyone out there reading? .....Thanks.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rear Reflector for DL-1 posted by sam on 1/9/2003 at 10:49:09 PM
We're reading,Just can't tell you where.Ebay,maybe? Or Buy a girls sport bike at goodwill(when you find one) and rob the reflector---sam

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rear Reflector for DL-1 posted by David on 1/10/2003 at 3:28:24 AM
What type of fender does the DL1 have? Is it "rectangular" with a fairly flat surface? Or is it ridged like a Sports?






AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mark R. on 1/8/2003 at 5:52:30 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=420&item=2152867513

English bike rack, brand new but OLD!!!!







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Williams Cranks posted by: Tom on 1/8/2003 at 3:25:02 PM
I have an Eatons Glider add for the 1927 bicycle and it has Williams chainring and cranks. The strange thing is it has a single piece crank like those of Schwinn of the same period. There is no cotters. Did Williams make these in the 1920's. Also the bike has a single speed Sturmey Archer coaster hub. I never saw one of these before. They have as an option a wood wheel and Sturmey Archer hub for $5.50.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Williams Cranks posted by David on 1/9/2003 at 4:17:18 AM
It could be that the ad copy doesn't actually refer to the bike in the photo! Stranger things have happened.






AGE / VALUE:   What the color is called posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 1/8/2003 at 2:06:17 AM
The 1954 Robin Hood Ladies bike's color was called 'Periwinkle blue' it was one of the most beautiful bikes I ever owned. I have never since seen another one. Nor anything else by Raleigh in that exact shade.

I hope to again in the future.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What the color is called posted by P.C. Kohler on 1/8/2003 at 11:46:16 PM
Periwinkle Blue was first introduced by Raleigh Industries in November 1952 for the Raleigh "Trent", Rudge "Ulster" and Humber "Beeston" which were also available in Napoleon Red.

It was also announced that for Coronation Year, all RI machines would have a special transfer "New Elizabethan Model"; has anyone seen a machine so marked? I bet Nick at Lloyds doesn't have this!!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What the color is called posted by Ken on 1/12/2003 at 2:08:24 AM
I have a friend who has a Robin Hood. It is finished in blue (periwinkle?) with white half round fenders, decal on the seat post down tube reads Robin Hood, decal on the head tube. C8 condition. First one of this model I have seen. I took pictures of it. Is this of the same era?






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fork needed posted by: Ray H. on 1/7/2003 at 10:01:55 PM
Hello all,

I am in need of a fork for a Raleigh Sports women's model. Preferably black with an 8" steerer tube. Please send replies to my email.

Thanks


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fork needed posted by Ray H. on 1/8/2003 at 2:43:08 PM
Forgot to add my address: rh125195@teradata-ncr.com.