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Archived: English Roadsters







WANTED:   RALEIGH ROADSTER 50'S/60'S posted by: ron on 1/20/2003 at 11:52:51 PM
must have enclosed chain guard rod brakes and 28 inch wheels. Any condition.







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Salt and sand spray posted by: David on 1/20/2003 at 5:55:57 PM
I was sick of watching the Robin Hood get encrusted with salt on the snowy streets. I cleaned it and then sprayed cooking oil all over the painted parts. I think the oil will stay thick and waxy as long as it's cold and then be easy to wash off when it warms up. Comments?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Salt and sand spray posted by smg on 1/20/2003 at 9:16:40 PM
Sounds like it would make the bike rather messy to handle - something like the old-time coast-defense guns, which were liberally slathered with a gooey preservative grease called "cosmoline" - to the discomfort of their crews. So long as the paint was intact, I never noticed much external salt damage back when I was cycling through Michigan winters. The real danger, in my experience, was salt water getting into components and causing corrosion. I once overhauled a rough-running bottom bracket in midwinter, and found to my horror that several of the ball bearings had literally turned square. Another time, I had 14 out of 18 teeth simply vanish from a freewheel cog. Finally, I had to retire a frame when the threads rotted out of the bottom bracket so the cups no longer stayed in place. Hosing the salt off with fresh water ought to take care of the externals, but the effect of inside salt really necessitates frequent overhauls. And if you have a good bike with a hard-to-replace Raleigh-thread bottom bracket, I might suggests getting a sacrifial junker for winter use.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Salt and sand spray posted by Warren on 1/21/2003 at 1:45:18 AM
FWIW if you ever get a really desireable frame with a stripped BB, you can get an original period Bayliss Wiley bottom bracket cartridge that needs no threads on the frame. You may have to clean up the existing ones a little. They are rare but available.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Salt and sand spray posted by Edward in Vancouver on 1/21/2003 at 3:30:24 PM
Cooking oil belongs in the kitchen. When vegetable oils are exposed to air, they turn gummy, and within a few days they turn into a sticky varnish-like paste that is very hard to remove. If you love your bike, go out and get a "beater" to ride in the salt and water.
Edward in "they salt our roads here too" Vancouver

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Salt and sand spray posted by Jacob on 1/22/2003 at 11:37:20 AM
I spray the underside of the mudguards on my Raleighs with Dinitrol - an anti-corrosion mixture made for autombiles.

Jacob in "salty" Danmark.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Salt and sand spray posted by Mucus on 1/20/2003 at 7:40:01 PM
I "THINK" I remember reading that cooking oil can hold salt, and make things worse. I beleave cleaning it very well, and then regularly waxing (with kiwi)it would be better. I wouldn't let anything sit on the paint, or metal serfaces for a long time.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Salt and sand spray posted by Mucus on 1/20/2003 at 7:40:27 PM
I "THINK" I remember reading that cooking oil can hold salt, and make things worse. I beleave cleaning it very well, and then regularly waxing (with kiwi)it would be better. I wouldn't let anything sit on the paint, or metal su
surfaces for a long time.






AGE / VALUE:   Holdsworth posted by: Ed on 1/20/2003 at 3:50:49 PM
I'am seeking info on an English Holdsworth Special from the early seventies. Reynolds 531 tubing, Suntour front and rear DR, GB stem. I,ve learned that Holdsworths were made in London and were on the scene untill the eighties when they were taken over by another company.and the name disappeared.
Have any of you had any personal experience with them or know any of their history that you can share? Thanks, Ed.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Holdsworth posted by Ben on 1/21/2003 at 1:45:14 PM
I had a Holdsworth Mistral in the late seventies, which I loved. Nice handmade frame, great super deep metalflake paint. I think they had a special technique for baking the paint.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Holdsworth posted by Willie L. on 1/21/2003 at 4:41:04 PM
On the website www.classicrendezvous.com there is a place that has lots of information and pictureson various British makes including Holdsworth.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Holdsworth posted by Ed on 1/22/2003 at 1:59:28 PM
Thanks for the responses guys.I had checked out CR main earlier,always a good place to start,also found some helpful info on Sheldon Brown's bike sight. I hope to take delivery of my new project later today.Thanks again.
Cheers, Ed.






WANTED:   Raleigh Heron Crank from Seventies posted by: Ben on 1/20/2003 at 2:59:22 PM
Morning all...

I just took delivery of a DL-1 which as it happens is a little worse for wear than I had anticipated. I think most all of the rust can be cleaned off, with the exception of the crank. Does anyone have one of these in good enough shape such that a good polishing would bring it back?

Thanks in advance,

Ben


   RE:WANTED:   Raleigh Heron Crank from Seventies posted by Steve B on 1/22/2003 at 4:38:20 PM
Hi Ben,

I probably have a couple around the shop. We're closed for the winter,but if you're in the Boston area, I can work out a time I go in once in awhile to work on stuff.

Steve






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Charity work posted by: Ralph on 1/20/2003 at 2:22:41 AM
I was feeling bored and contacted my local Police Department to see if they wanted someone to come down and repair recovered and confiscated bicycles. They donate them to children at various times during the year. It turns out my city literally has a warehouse full of these bikes and was more than glad to have me come down. They explained that all the kids really want is low riders, freestyle, and mountain bikes. All their other bikes get cannabilized and thrown out. There was even a huge dumpster for them in the far corner of the building. Then the nice guy I'm working with tells me that "If there's anything you want in the pile, it's yours." I explain that I'm not there to glom free bikes but if he's offering, the only real thing I like is English 3 Speeds. He says that I'm especially welcome to them because they don't even really cannibalize those as they have no real useful parts for the bikes they donate. The long and the short of it is that I worked 6 hours and walked off with a '72 Hercules as a door prize. There was another Hercules and red Sports that they said I can most likely have next week. This is going to be great. I'm doing my hobby for a worthy cause, having a blast, and I seem to have stumbled on a source for the occasional roadster. If any of you have the time, I'd highly recommend the idea in your own cities..... As long as you stay away from Cleveland!!!!!!!!


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Charity work posted by Catfood Rob on 1/20/2003 at 11:14:05 PM
Good on ya dude.






AGE / VALUE:   1939 Raleigh Tourist posted by: Beth on 1/20/2003 at 1:56:25 AM
My husband recently aquired a 1939 Raliegh Tourist. It is a woman's bike, has all the origional parts, the gear shift is on the middle bar (not handle bar) and it is in good condition. We really do not have any idea on the value of this bike and would appreciate any information we could get.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1939 Raleigh Tourist posted by ron on 1/20/2003 at 1:33:02 PM
depends on the condition and options, if the fenders and pump are in tact and paint and crome are in good shape you could get 150 for the bike, the mens version are worth more money.






AGE / VALUE:   1939 Raleigh Tourist posted by: Beth on 1/20/2003 at 1:56:25 AM
My husband recently aquired a 1939 Raliegh Tourist. It is a woman's bike, has all the origional parts, the gear shift is on the middle bar (not handle bar) and it is in good shape. We really do not have any idea on the value of this bike and would appreciate any information we could get.







AGE / VALUE:   LA CONSTRUCTION DE LABICYCLETTE LEGERE AVEC LEDURALUMIN ET LES ALLIAGES LEGERS posted by: non French speaking Chris on 1/19/2003 at 7:20:25 PM
My punishment for not learning French is not being able to read the ancient cycle catalog. I just sat and studied the pictures while there are pages and pages of written text that is all beautiful looking garblygook to me. AAAAIIIEEEEEHHHH!
My first thought was "Yes, get it!" second was "How beautiful!" first thing I said was "Crap! It's in French!!"


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   LA CONSTRUCTION DE LABICYCLETTE LEGERE AVEC LEDURALUMIN ET LES ALLIAGES LEGERS posted by sam on 1/20/2003 at 11:19:37 PM
Duraluminum is the brand name of the patended alum.used by Silver King Of Chicago,who also carried the patents in France.The head badge on my silver king state the pat.# in US & France .

   What a GREAT Idea! posted by sam on 1/19/2003 at 11:32:56 PM
YES!! what a great Idea Chris,take the book to Canada and stop beautiful French Cananidan girls and ask them to help you read this book.Your a genius Chris!(one very big grin)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   LA CONSTRUCTION DE LABICYCLETTE LEGERE AVEC LEDURALUMIN ET LES ALLIAGES LEGERS posted by Mark R. on 1/20/2003 at 12:29:47 AM
It says: "The construction of light weight bicycles using duraluminum, and light alloys".


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   LA CONSTRUCTION DE LABICYCLETTE LEGERE AVEC LEDURALUMIN ET LES ALLIAGES LEGERS posted by Mark R. (a frenchman) on 1/20/2003 at 1:56:06 PM
Could you post, or e-mail more of it? I'd like to read some of it.

   You to can translate !!! posted by Ray on 1/20/2003 at 3:09:33 PM
You can translate the text or any web page yourself using this translator for free.
http://world.altavista.com/

   RE:You to can translate !!! posted by Mark R. on 1/20/2003 at 3:40:10 PM
WOW! That is a great translator!!!

   Does the French/ Canadian lady have an old Bike for sale?/booklet posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 1/20/2003 at 7:06:07 PM
Thanks for the tip about the translating, I'll look into it, this way I can read it.
I would like to send this out to somebody who would post the entire thing on their web site. The book is from 1935 and cost me $45.00 the book dealer brought it back from France a few years ago and he said it was a nice piece. I did a search on Duraluminum and found little telling or showing bicycle parts made from this metal. Sheldon has a bit written about it and I ran across that. The book shows rims and pedals with names I recognize but no other cycle web site really stretches into this that I have seen and come to think of it I have not seen much bicyle part wise made from this in my own travels and hunting. It was stoped being used as it has poor corrosion resistence but I am still learning about all of this subject. A new current company is offering modern handlebars in this material but not much else use with it that I can see. I have Hidiminum alloy brakes and componets on some of my Vintage Raleighs and those are lovely but how that is related to duraluminum I don't yet know.
E- mail me a postal address for a copy of this. P.C., is this something you'd like a copy of to put on your web site? I'll need a postal address. Other folks who sell old literature and or reprints may offer this book but I don't remember seeing it. The pictures of gentle looking old French bicycle factory men standing at machinery are neat. I wish I saw more pictures like this. I think pictures make or break a book. I think we see hardly any old pictures at all. I want to help keep this stuff from slipping into obscurity. Many folks I e- mail with comment that it is scarry how a huge company can just vanish. An old catalog or scrap book is always a gem to find. The people in this book are all dead. All we have for refrence are these old books, catalogs, and pamphlets. This literature may show derailer gears that perhaps I have not seen in Frank Berto's excellent book: The Dancing Chain. Also a few complete 1935 era French Bicycles a tandem with levers and gears and so perhaps I have found pictures and descriptions of things not yet shown recently? I don't know really, as Berto's book was very thorough and he missed probably very little. He shows these bikes in the book. Perhaps I have a picture or two of something a bit diffrent than what's in the Dancing Chain book. Anyways, this litle pamphlet would be great stuck inside the French section of that book.
They'll say:
"Did he ask you out? No he wanted to know if grandfather had any old French bicycles for sale"
I want to get invited over to root through the basement, sheds, attics and shops. Why else would I be talking to French Canadian ladies for anyways? (grin) Let's see the old bikes! How many French ladies can I ask wheather or not if they have old bikes at home in a given day? Heck, I'll just ask everybody I see.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   LA CONSTRUCTION DE LABICYCLETTE LEGERE AVEC LEDURALUMIN ET LES ALLIAGES LEGE posted by David on 1/20/2003 at 9:07:57 PM
Duralumin and Hiduminium appear to be different brand names for the same alloy. (Al 95, Cu 4, Mg 1) High strength, low resistance to corrosion, and often used in aviation.






WANTED:   RALEIGH ROADSTER 1950'S posted by: ron on 1/19/2003 at 4:45:07 PM
mens, must have enclosed chain guard, rod brakes and 28 inch wheels, any condition.







AGE / VALUE:   BIANCHI ROADSTER 1953 posted by: ron on 1/19/2003 at 4:40:25 PM
IS THIS BIKE WORTH COLLECTING?
CAN ANY ONE GIVE SOME INFO ON THIS BIKE
technical data of the technical data of the Bianchi 1953.(I send the photos tomorrow,my scanner is KAPUT¡¡¡)

Make:Bianchi-(Italy)

Model: PH-28,for men.

Size: 28 x 1 5/8".

Wheels:steel.

Chainwheel: Bianchi.(x42)

Crancks:Bianchi.

Serial number_B523617.

Year:1953.

Bottom bracket: Bianchi.

Brakes: Bianchi.

Tyres: Levorin "Hybrid" (Brazil).

Chain:Regina (Italy)

Freewheel:TDC Ross & Sons Ltd. (England)(x18)

Rear headlight: Bianchi.

Mudguards: steel,Bianchi.

Handlebar: Bianchi,with the logo "Bianchi,Milano".

Front fork: decal "Bianchi"

The only parts not originals of this machine are the saddle and the pedals.It is in very good condition,repaintes black (original colour). This model of the Bianchi was used in the Second World War by the Italian Army,in colour matt grey
Bianchi 1953.
Make:Bianchi-(Italy)
Model: PH-28,for men.
Size: 28 x 1 5/8".
Wheels:steel.
Chainwheel: Bianchi.(x42)
Crancks:Bianchi.
Year:1953.
Bottom bracket: Bianchi.
Brakes: Bianchi.
Tyres: Levorin "Hybrid" (Brazil).
Chain:Regina (Italy)
Freewheel:TDC Ross & Sons Ltd. (England)(x18)
Rear headlight: Bianchi.
Mudguards: steel,Bianchi.
Handlebar: Bianchi,with the logo "Bianchi,Milano".
Front fork: decal "Bianchi"

The only parts not originals of this machine are the saddle and the pedals.It is in very good condition,repaintes black (original colour). This model of the Bianchi was used in the Second World War by the Italian Army,in colour matt grey


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BIANCHI ROADSTER 1953 posted by Chris on 1/19/2003 at 8:57:00 PM
I feel it is worth collecting, yes.
These don't appear every day.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1953 BIANCHI ROADSTER posted by: ron on 1/19/2003 at 4:36:57 PM
technical data of the Bianchi 1953.

Make:Bianchi-(Italy)

Model: PH-28,for men.

Size: 28 x 1 5/8".

Wheels:steel.

Chainwheel: Bianchi.(x42)

Crancks:Bianchi.


Year:1953.

Bottom bracket: Bianchi.

Brakes: Bianchi.

Tyres: Levorin "Hybrid" (Brazil).

Chain:Regina (Italy)

Freewheel:TDC Ross & Sons Ltd. (England)(x18)

Rear headlight: Bianchi.

Mudguards: steel,Bianchi.

Handlebar: Bianchi,with the logo "Bianchi,Milano".

Front fork: decal "Bianchi"

The only parts not originals of this machine are the saddle and the pedals.It is in very good condition,repainted black (original colour). This model of the Bianchi was used in the Second World War by the Italian Army,in colour matt grey







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Union Jack Cycle?? posted by: William Soon on 1/19/2003 at 1:00:49 PM
Hi guys,it's me again.
Today,I came across a parked Roadster,28x1 1/2 wheels,rod brakes,not that nice but very usable.So,I checked it out.On its metal headbadge is written,'The Union Jack Cycle.Made in England'.(No Nottingham or Birmingham,etc.)In the middle of the badge is pictured the Union Jack flag on top of what seems like a brick wall.That's about it.The words and the flag,wall are in deep blue colour.On top of the handlebar is written,'Hopper, Made In England'.And yes,this bike has an oiling hole on the bottom bracket.

So that's about it.Well guys,anyone can tell me sth about this bike? Thanks a lot.BYE.

With regards,
William Soon,Malaysia.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Union Jack Cycle?? posted by Catfood Rob on 1/19/2003 at 7:17:21 PM
Hopper were a bike manufacturer here in the U.K.
I have a headbadge . It has the town on it, but I LEFT IT ATWORK....MAYBE TS bIRMINGHAM.
Thats all I know.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Union Jack Cycle?? posted by Chris on 1/19/2003 at 7:32:28 PM
See Sheldon Brown's Elswick Hopper article at his web page. SheldonBrown.com
A bit of information is out there if you look.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Union Jack Cycle?? posted by P.C. Kohler on 1/19/2003 at 11:53:44 PM
Elswick Hooper in Birmingham??? I think not, I thought they were at Barton-on-Humber. They were also the last big independent English cycle company that wasn't part of the voracious Tube Investment or Raleigh empire. They didn't seem to export too many machines to North America. Although I recently saw a neat little piece showing a very young Jose Ferrer riding his new Elswick Hooper club bike c. 1950.

P.C. Kohler






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   FLORILLI ROADSTER posted by: ron on 1/19/2003 at 12:30:32 AM
Can anyone give me any type of info on the FLORILLI roadster, i have seen one and they are just top notch.

thanks.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   FLORILLI ROADSTER posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 1/19/2003 at 7:16:29 PM
I think it's spelled 'Fiorelli' from Italy. I have a ancient poster of theirs that is simply incredible. It has Coppi in it!
Now the rod brake Italian Roadsters bicycles from them must have been incredible. See it heck, buy it, get your hands on it and ride it and enjoy. I would chase this one down!
Hardly anything is out there on the web on this make.
These were Fine Italian bicycles! And with all the looking I have done none of these has ever fallen into my hands. I have never seen one of these yet. That's a rare bicycle!






MISC:   17 69 ,huh??? posted by: William Soon on 1/18/2003 at 12:27:50 PM
Hi guys,how're you??
Well,today I took the SA drum brake hubs I bought to my local bike shop to have them fitted to my Gazelle.The used but rather nice hubs are from the 40's,so you can expect them to have a bit of blistering on the chrome.On seeing my set,the boss said he has a nice one(Front SA hub brake 32H,for cable application);and he showed it to me.

It's a NOS,year 1969.But what intrigues me is that the number '17 69' is stamped there.Yes,'69' is the year but '17'??? And YES,I'm pretty sure that's a '17' I saw,not a '12'or stuff like that.So,how come? I thought it was supposed to be the month.But '17'?
Well,any explanation? I'd like to hear from you guys.Thank you very much.BYE and happy riding!!!

With regards,
William Soon,Malaysia.


   RE:MISC:   17 69 ,huh??? posted by Warren on 1/18/2003 at 1:24:43 PM
This is not uncommon to see...I figure it's an error or some guy at the assembly line who did it for a joke. They are stamped by hand...they're always in different locations. Maybe there was an obscure "coded" reason for doing this but I doubt it.






FOR SALE:   THE RALEIGH BOOK OF CYCLING posted by: Ian on 1/18/2003 at 8:10:35 AM
Discovered today in a second-hand bookshop this is a 1975 book edited by Reginald C.Shaw and with chapters by various writers on all sorts of subjects from buying a bike to cycle touring, how to service hub gears and derailleurs, building your own racing bike etc., etc. Hard cover book in excellent condition. 215 pages. It does not have a dust jacket but I do not know if it ever did. At US$12 plus postage from New Zealand I will make a grand profit of $2! If anyone is interested email me an address and I will get a postage quote, otherwise it can go on eBay. Regards, Ian (who just got his computor back from a week at the doctor and is now fixing his withdrawal symptoms).