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Archived: English Roadsters







AGE / VALUE:   Bantel Mudguard update posted by: Chris on 3/15/2003 at 9:18:00 PM
E- bay item #2163057130 Bantel Cycle Fenders alloy n.o.s.
these went to $144.05!
I love these mudguards!
No relation to seller.
(my experiences with another person I know have been:)
I can close my eyes and see him and I remember him saying:
What do you want with those things for?
I insisted on buying every one there was, we cleaned out 4 whole rooms. All those mudguards, that big truck! Yup! I was really crazy! Why I even got ahold of all the braces to them! You didn't think I was gonna come away and not have the needed original hardware did you?
Crazy like a fox! 144.00 a set! For one set! This is the going rate.
I waited, he drove me crazy, this took years! and I thought I'd never get them! I thought they would go to the swap meet and everybody else would be picking through it! The threat of landfil always loomed, he was saying stuff like: That's all junk! Nope! I finally headed it off at the pass. Swooped in with that truck and said: I want it all!
I can't wait till I see a nice set of hammertone mudguards on e- bay because I have some of those too.
The last visit, I opened up drawers that have been closed for 20 years, finally got him to sell tools and I saved more vintage posters and now car literature from the wood stove and he had said there was no more "paper stuff you'd be interested in" Wrong!

144.05 a set!
I wonder how many of these have gone to scrap and landfil?








AGE / VALUE:   e- bay item #2163955496 posted by: Chris on 3/15/2003 at 7:57:50 PM
It went for $512.00!
Humber bicycle, the one we were discussing.


   RE:AGE / VALUE: e- bay item #2163955496 posted by J. M. Vernooy on 3/15/2003 at 9:36:20 PM
Too much for me, but it looks like the new owner will be getting a 1957 Humber Sports that looks like it's been brought 45 years into the future by time machine. Hope buyer and seller both realize that they should get shipping insurance on that Humber if it's to be shipped.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   e- bay item #2163955496 posted by Ben on 3/16/2003 at 3:37:55 PM
I had one lust like that (without the extras) and I was lucky enough to get it for $127.00...but alas, it was stolen. Seeing this one made me start missing mine all over again. Now I love the Phillips roadster I have now, but I really do miss this bike.






WANTED:   RALEIGH/HERCULES ROADSTER 50'S posted by: ron on 3/15/2003 at 11:41:26 AM
must have enclosed chain guard, will spend $$$$$$$$$$, 28 inch wheels-rod brake bike, thankyou.








AGE / VALUE:   New Hudson queries posted by: David Poston on 3/14/2003 at 5:53:08 PM
My newest machine arrived yesterday: a New Hudson. All original parts: 28" wheels, single speed hub, rod brakes, full chaincase, ladies loop frame, with Wrights Olympic saddle sporting triple springs (ala B-73), all black enameled along with the undercarriage. Rod brake parts have a mixture of chrome and black enamel. Handlebars are surprisingly narrow across, curve back towards the rider without the forward bend, and are very close to the saddle for a perfectly upright (i.e., sit and beg) position. Grips are rubber, roadster type, being about 3" in length and still soft and pliable. Tyres are original Dunlops in beautiful shape with minimal cracking. Decals still intact, with worn pinstriping. Paint in wonderful shape: behind a thin layer of oil and dust is that beautiful black enamel, waiting to leap forth. Chrome is in fair condition, with some flaking. New rims and this machine would look brand new. Overall, a beauty.

Now, for the difficulties, both of which are mechanically related:

1) The cranks seem to graze the chaincase slightly when I turn them. Is this normal? They appear to be true. Can the bottom bracket assembly be shifted over to the right to give more clearance?

2) The lock nuts on the steering head seem to have trouble screwing onto the fork threading. They will go on for about an inch, and then they will stop. I am scared of ruining the threading on the fork. What should I do? I am wondering whether this is an age factor. There is no rust, but the threading seems a bit dirty, with very old grease. A remote possibility is that the nuts are mismatched to the fork, but I doubt this.

David


   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: New Hudson queries posted by Warren on 3/15/2003 at 8:40:51 PM
I never thought of freewheel spacers...I've only had one bike that needed this fix and the lockring was perfect. However I can see how smaller increments would be better...thanks.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: New Hudson queries posted by steve on 3/17/2003 at 6:22:31 PM
Sturmey-Archer cog spacers are perfect for adjusting chainline like this,

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   New Hudson queries posted by Warren on 3/14/2003 at 9:06:57 PM
Sounds like a nice bike. Regarding the bottom bracket...obviously you would prefer to adjust the chaincase but if it just won't happen here's a solution. Take an extra lockring from an adjustable cup, put it in a vice and take a round handfile and remove the threads. Remove your fixed cup and use the lockring as a spacer to move the BB over to the right.

As far as the headset nut is concerned...it it goes on an inch, it must be the right threads unless of course some dumbskull cross-threaded all the way down. Clean all the threads with a wire brush and cleaner...look to see if the threads are botched around the point that it stops. I would find another steel nut with the same thread and use it to chase the threads using a little light oil to help it along. Take it to a shop if you haven't got the tools and stuff.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   New Hudson queries posted by sam on 3/15/2003 at 4:23:07 AM
David , you know you should get this bike ready to show at the Vintage bicycle of Texas show April 29 in Houston.You'll be the only English roadester but you shouldn't let that stop you.Brave the storm,show the world a great bike!--sam

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: New Hudson queries posted by J. M. Vernooy on 3/15/2003 at 1:52:48 PM
Warren's fix for the rubbing crankset is right. Just want to add that, if you need to use a spacer, a freewheel spacer will allow you to move the crankset to the right in smaller amounts than using a filed thread lockring. Most bottom bracket lockrings are from about 2.5mm to 5.0mm thick I've been using freewheel spacers as bottom bracket spacers for years, ever since one of my bicycle parts catalogs listed them as "freewheel and bottom bracket cup spacers". The freewheel spacers come in 0.5mm, 1.0mm, and 1.5mm thicknesses. If you go to the bike shop to buy the spacer take along a bottom bracket cup to make sure they are giving you the right part. Many bike shops have a misc. parts drawer instead of every part separate and identified for some of the spacers and washers. As the threads on bottom bracket cups on many bicycles are only about 10mm long you should use a spacer no thicker than you have to.






MISC:   Hercules Birmingham Head Badge changed posted by: J. M. Vernooy on 3/14/2003 at 2:50:30 AM
Does anyone know when the Hercules head badge changed from listing Birmingham to listing Nottingham as the company's address? I have read that Hercules came under Raleigh's control by the end of 1960, yet I know that as late as 1962 the Hercules head badge still said Birmingham. Did Raleigh keep the Hercules factory operating for a few years after the merger. Has anyone got the history of Hercules Cycle and Motor Co. of the 1960's figured out?


   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Hercules Birmingham Head Badge changed posted by Chris on 3/15/2003 at 7:35:55 PM
It does not matter what particular company or brand you are focusing on. Welcome to the group and we are excited to see and read anything you will be contributing. I'm looking forward to your page!
I don't like everything that Raleigh did either and I read what happened and I shake my head. I got a call and the bike was a Hercules! I said "$100.00 ok?" I had to have it. Yea, I like Hercules! I like ALL OF THESE!
It's a beautiful green Hercules rod brake and I'm glad I got ahold of it. I am excited about and interested in Hercules bikes and the history of them myself. They made a narrow version Westwood rim in a 26 X 1 3/8 size and I put modern gumwall tires on these rims and this bicycle flys! I thought it was a regular Westwood rim and didn't know that they made diffrent versions of Westwood rims. It was great to learn about all the varieties offered. Of all the bikes this Hercules is one of the ones I love to work on and ride.
The brakes work wonderfully, I love the hubs and I got into a shop and had a field day buying everything in the basement. The shop was a real Hercules dealer, all those threaded driver hubs!
The group here covers everything British bicycle. Raleigh, non- Raleigh, before and during and after Raleigh. The more obscure and small time to the most common. Whatever you find, let us know.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Hercules Birmingham Head Badge changed posted by J. M. Vernooy on 3/15/2003 at 9:18:28 PM
Thanks P.C. for the suggestions for further study to track down the history of Hercules. I just test rode only the second Hercules that I ever rode. I have a new theory. It's that I spent so much time riding my Hercules that I got when I was eight years old, (rode it from 8 years old to 15 years old, some would say all the time), that instead of me just getting accustomed to it I instead grew up adapting to it. This Hercules is taller but I'm taller too and it seems to fit just like my first Hercules. It's a different frame shape and two years newer but the handling is exactly the same. There is a difference in handling between a Hercules sport and a Raleigh sport frame, but not a big difference. Riding it felt so familiar even though I had never ridden it before. But as fanatic as I am about Hercules bicycles, if the right Sunbeam, BSA, Raleigh, or other English bicycle with a full oil bath chaincase, rod brakes, and Dynohub powered lighting, etc. came along I'd still get that "money is only money" feeling. That is if there was any money left in my bicycle collecting budget. I do have some control, even though sometimes I think that my wife doubts that I do. I plan to add a lot to my website including pictures of all my bicycles plus anyone elses that I see. Yesterday I saw what I think was the Armstrong owned by one of my friends from elementary school. Net time I see it I'm going to ask the owner if he would mind me taking a picture of it. I'm going to try to remember to also ask him how long he's had it. I don't think he's the one I knew in school but I didn't even think about looking at the owner, just the bicycle.

   RE:MISC: Hercules Birmingham Head Badge changed posted by J. M. Vernooy on 3/14/2003 at 1:47:25 PM
The reason I'm asking is that I am putting together a website, (it has been online for about 4 months and is about half finished), that is centered on three speed bicycles. The Sturmey Archer AW hub is at the center of the center. It's, alot, the bits and pieces that I haven't found on the web yet, as well as a guide to what is available and where to find new and used bicycles with the Sturmey Archer hubs, and the imitators.
As a bicycle mechanic, I see people look right past the bicycles with internal hub gears to single speed and derailleur gears and then use them for daily transportation only to suffer the rusty chain, sticky cable,and stubborn derailleur problems and expenses. Since I was given a Hercules for Christmas when I was eight years old they remain my favorite.

   RE:MISC:   Hercules Birmingham Head Badge changed posted by Ed on 3/14/2003 at 8:22:53 PM
Hi J.M. I think we briefly touched on this subject (Hercules head badges) awhile back.My all original 1963 Hercules has a brass Birmingham badge.I know the bike is original since i bought it from the original owner.I always assumed that Raleigh was using up some retro parts which were on hand when they took over in 1960. I may well be wrong though. Keep us advised on the progress of your website. I'am looking forward to checking it out.
Regards, Ed.

   RE:RE:MISC: Hercules Birmingham Head Badge changed posted by Humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 3/14/2003 at 8:44:35 PM
There was a merger and Raleigh took control. The merger was a huge, huge undertaking. That's the word too! Undertaking.
The British Cycle Corporation which was Phillips, B.S.A. and Hercules and a lot of other companies and brands was combined with Raleigh and Raleigh was in charge.
I believe that the Credenda works in Smethwick closed soon after Raleigh took it over. Raleigh wasted little time in consolidating everything.

Dispite the excellent work that has been done, both books in print and the stuff you'll find on the web little information is available.
Hubs and derailers are mentioned and discussed. Lightweight racing and touring bicycles are discussed. Sometimes a short, vauge description of a company is mentioned. Usually as little as possible is said. Huge companies employing thousands have vanished or changed into something altogether diffrent. It's all "gone away"

Go to Tony Hadlands site at Hadland.net and read the History of "Raleigh in the last quarter of the Twientieth Century" paper. Tony Hadland is an excellent source of information on this stuff. "The Sturmey- Archer Story" book and an updated version of it and a bunch of other info too.
Then there is: The Dancing Chain, History and Developement of the Derailer Bicycle. By Frank Berto. This sheds light on Raleigh and what happened with smaller companies that refused or were not offered the chance to sell out to Raleigh. They went to the wall or were swallowed up into Raleigh. I cannot recommend Berto's book enough, but then again I am saying to read and look up and search all of this.
Sheldon Brown's web site at: Sheldonbrown.com You'll find his web pages an excellent source of info.Sheldon's been around and contributed a lot of excellent articles and still is going strong. Check out his web site.
The Veteran Cycle club in England. (Don't have their web address handy but there is a site.) They have what they call a listing of various 'marquee enthusiasts' and if you ask they'll referr you to somebody who could help.
The Canberra Bicycle Museaum and Resource Center in Canberra. That's in Australia! They have an excellent web site too.
We lost John Pinkerton in England recently and it was a terrible loss. He's greatly missed.
He was, (still is) a great name in this. Did a lot of good work. I think the Pinkerton Press is still active with his family running it. Type in Pinkerton Press and see if it's still going on. I would imagine it still is. Buy a book from them! If you have not joined the Vetrans Cycle club you should.

There is bits and pieces here and there scattered about. A whole complete picture that answers: Whatever happened to? companies or brand names like Hercules?
Not yet. Lots of folks ask this question but usually it's because they have found a bike and it's a passing question.
Nobody who is a fan has gone to great lengths to raise up a shrine so to speak on any one huge but now totally vanished company like Humber or Phillips or Hercules. Well, perhaps that is not exactly true. I have stood on corners and looked up and it's all gone and I cannot believe it. I have rubbed shoulders with grizzled swap meet buddies and heard stories and tales. It's wild. It's comming together a bit on the web. Remember that unless you are a romantic goof that wants to learn history and find answers to: "Whatever happened?" to this or that. Remember that you'll be on your own in a way in your quest. These questions are answered but not fully. There is no reason to. People are busy, they don't know and to find out won't be easy. Folks are into this for money in one way or another at least many are. (not all though) This was at the time like an onion, tricky and interwoven and interrelated. Then a merger and so much changed and vanished.
All those companies that made chrome bicycle bells at least 5 of them and they all offered a wide range of products too. They're all gone now. The market changed. This is true with so much of it. Wonderful stuff this all is. People love to collect this and ride it and people buy and sell and search it out to sell and make money. We love it for various reasons.
But in a way you are searching for something that does not exist anymore. Well, it's still out there kinda. If you look. If you know how to look.
We have a fairly good handful of people and works and books and web stuff. A smattering of stuff on e- bay. A few shows and get togethers.
Check out (type in and search) Cycles De Oro's. web page! Classics Rendezvous. They are a bicycle shop that has an excellent web page. Dale there is doing excellent work filling in gaps and building a page with more info on each company or make. If you have a bicycle that is not shown at that Classics rendezvous site and if it's something nice like a touring bike then send them a picture so it can be added to the page. It is a big project to do and they are making a real go of it.
Oh, there is other stuff on the web too. "Retro Raleigh's" another important body of work (web site) that is comming under the steady hand of Sheldon Brown and probably very soon. It's been saved and more people will go to that for refrence.
Type in "Hercules" here at oldroads.com and see what all we have been saying. Piece it together.

I guess Raleigh used up the badges until they had production switched over to Nottingham and then even more badges said Nottingham. I have the notice about Credenda works somewhere in my papers. They went out in like 1962.
The waste was and still is, incredible. Even today with the internet and e- bay whole shops and wharehouses are cleaned out and it goes into landfil and we hear stories and we all howl in pain at hearing it. Or else you find yourself shoulder to shoulder with big people who have come ready to bid on everything at the auction. You have to be ready, have funds ready on the bloomin' Sunday it's being held on and you gotta know how to bid and not be intimidated by the big fish in the pond. Cash only! This one auction I attended, it was unreal the stuff that fellow had in those buildings!
The pack rat stashes! Thst's what I want to see!
I forgot the single most (probably) important source for information there has been and still is.
Old Catalogs, books,publications, and directories. Buy up old catalogs and post them on the web site. Become a Hercules bicycle collector and post everything you have on a web page. Help to answer the question for others to come.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Hercules Birmingham Head Badge changed posted by J. M. Vernooy on 3/14/2003 at 11:17:34 PM
Thanks,
If only there was the web in the 1960's. Most of the answers from that era would be somewhere at least. I have looked at websites that get somewhat into what happened to Hercules but not to the intricasies that one can find on Raleigh. Whatever I find I will put on the website. Only lack of time and lack of info will slow me down. I'm not in it for money. I'm not good at being in anything for the money, I've been a bicycle mechanic in the U. S. for almost 30 years. But in 1960 I saw the most beautiful bicycle and it was a (or an) Hercules. So, not wanting to upset anyone here but I have to say it, I'm not compleatly happy about some of what Raleigh did. But I own a few English Raleigh three speed bicycles. They are good, but I don't like them as much as some of the Hercules bicycles and others that I've seen. But I have to qualify that by saying that my standards are different. Not higher, just different from others' standards. I can't understand, for instance, how anyone cannot love that distinctively shaped chainguard that Hercules had in the sixties and seventies. And it wasn't just one design. There were even varieties of that design, slight variations in dimentions even though they may look all the same to some. Other's look at that chainguard and see nothing special, just another chainguard that doesn't cover the chain compleatly. Well thanks again for the info so far. If anyone has more they can tell me, that would be good.
John

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: Hercules Birmingham Head Badge changed posted by P.C. Kohler on 3/15/2003 at 12:49:20 AM
First, judos on your project! As an historian (mostly ocean liners and trams rather than bicycles), I am appalled at the spotty, if largely missing, historical record on bicycles. My goodness, we are talking about something as recent as 1960!! I just got back from the Library of Congress researching a 1928 Swedish ocean liner. That's easy by comparison.

Do try and get copies of Export News which, in that supremely annoying way, kept changing its name from British Motorcycle and Cycle Export Trader to British Motorcycle and Cycles Export Trader to Export Trader etc...! The Library of Congress has this from 1947-1963 and, I think, pre-war too. Lots of industry news.

And of course we all wish none of the great independents had been swallowed up by Tube Investments and Raleigh. I love all of the little guys too; how many remember Comrade Cycles? And, no I am not one of those snobs who revels in hating Raleigh either. They made a superb bicycle. Always did. And they knew the key to success was to buy out the best of the best competitors which they did. Was a Humber and a Rudge better before being in Nottingham? Don't know. Never seen a pre-Raleigh one or ridden one. Were Sunbeams rubbished when made by BSA? Don't know either. I kinda doubt it.

There have been several simply stunning Hercules catalogues on eBay recently. One had colour photos c. 1938!! You can't beat having a year-to-year run of these. But I simply can't afford it. Maybe like the British, we need Marque specialists. We need to get organised!

I am delighted to find a Hercules enthusiast. Their reputation suffered, I think, in the USA by their association with AMF. My first English three-speed was an AMC-branded Herc, used, c. 1961. But even as a wee lad, well... we all knew Raleigh was better. Just was. My best pal had a blue Dunelt and that was barely "ok" in the pecking order. We NEVER cycled with boys unfortunate to have Schwinns or, heaven offend, Huffys. These were icky beyond redemption. English racers were just neat. Plain and simple. Even AMF Hercs.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:MISC:   Hercules Birmingham Head Badge changed posted by Matthew on 3/15/2003 at 2:17:02 PM
The aluminium (aluminum) head badge for Hercules came in in 1946 as a direct result of the Raleigh take over. Prior to that the round brass head badge was in use. After the ally badge came a rather fetching water slide transfer (decal) which was used at the same time as the brass badge (mk2?) I think brass may have been on export models or maybe just a big stock pile found in the back of the works and used up as and when, as often happened (still does)in works in the UK. The water slide transfer was quite pretty and round, about the same size as the original brass badge and used on models such as the Balmoral etc. I seem to remember that the hideous (sorry folder fans) folding Herc., a folding Raleigh shopper clone, had a plastic or muckite (madzac) badge of a different design. The Herc name never made it to the MTB brands or retro styled cruisers, shame or saving grace?
Our 28" wheel ladies loop frame has the brass badge, the trade bike (cycletruck) had the ally badge, as does the V-CC 20" wheel girls loop frame. A 1975 Balmoral which I traded, twice, had the transfer. Is this any help to anyone?
Enjoy the spring sunshine and don't just use it to cut the lawn!
Matthew

   RE:MISC:   Hercules Birmingham Head Badge changed posted by Matthew on 3/15/2003 at 2:18:41 PM
The aluminium (aluminum) head badge for Hercules came in in 1946 as a direct result of the Raleigh take over. Prior to that the round brass head badge was in use. After the ally badge came a rather fetching water slide transfer (decal) which was used at the same time as the brass badge (mk2?) I think brass may have been on export models or maybe just a big stock pile found in the back of the works and used up as and when, as often happened (still does)in works in the UK. The water slide transfer was quite pretty and round, about the same size as the original brass badge and used on models such as the Balmoral etc. I seem to remember that the hideous (sorry folder fans) folding Herc., a folding Raleigh shopper clone, had a plastic or muckite (madzac) badge of a different design. The Herc name never made it to the MTB brands or retro styled cruisers, shame or saving grace?
Our 28" wheel ladies loop frame has the brass badge, the trade bike (cycletruck) had the ally badge, as does the V-CC 20" wheel girls loop frame. A 1975 Balmoral which I traded, twice, had the transfer. Is this any help to anyone?
Enjoy the spring sunshine and don't just use it to cut the lawn!
Matthew

   RE:RE:MISC:   Hercules Birmingham Head Badge changed posted by J. M. Vernooy on 3/15/2003 at 5:54:52 PM
Matthew is that a typo in the first line of your post, (1946)? Didn't Raleigh get Hercules in 1960? No need to hurry to answer. I'm not going to cut the lawn but a 1962 Hercules diamond frame sports model that arrived a few days ago, (that has a brass head badge that says Birmingham), needs testing of my repairs and adjustments. Not a long ride possibly, just a test.






MISC:   BLOCK saddle ?! posted by: Martin Hanczyc on 3/13/2003 at 7:42:37 PM
Check this out:

http://cgi.netscape.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2715865007&category=420

An obvious Brooks copy!







AGE / VALUE:   Sun CR-18 rims 32/40 590 mm (26 x 1 3/8") posted by: Sheldon Brown on 3/13/2003 at 6:48:28 PM
I came upon 11 pairs of Sun CR-18 aluminum rims in the "unobtainable" 590 mm / 26 x 1 3/8" size. These are double wall rims with eyelets, by far the nicest I've ever seen in this size. If you have an older English 3-speed you'd like to upgrade, these are just the ticket. $59.95 for a set, 32/40 spoking only.

See also http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/rims.html#590

Sheldon "Get 'Em While They're Hot" Brown
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sun CR-18 rims 32/40 590 mm (26 x 1 3/8 posted by Chris on 3/15/2003 at 10:18:42 PM
I can imagine how nice the bike would handle with a set of these rims and I doubt these will last long.
Order a set for your bike and you won't believe how great these rims are!


Back in 1984-1988 somewhere in there, I saw my pal and after the one fellow went to lunch I was allowed in the back room. I had climbed way, way up on a ladder and was reaching and bring down dust covered, wrapped up, sets of rims and tires and all sorts of goodies and the fellow came back and remarked.
"Geez, he'll fall and kill himself, Terry!"
He wasn't too mad, I didn't fall that day either. The exploring, the dust covered things, tons of parts in little drawers. I had never seen so much stuff!
It's awesome to be able to buy from somebody who offers things over the net.
But still, the climbing, the getting dusty and dirty and sweaty. The carrying things down the stairs. Having the full run of the cycle shop and getting to snoop into everything, buying anything I choose and they didn't care how much I wanted to take home. Nobody said to me "Hey, you can't be back there you gotta stay up front." There was always a new old bike in for me to see too. The trap door to that attic, those rickety stairs the cold basement without enough light to see, shelves and boxes. I tore my shirt and got filthy. the diffrent labels on the boxes.
These rims are worth every penny, but I miss the old shops filled with goodies that have been missed by other collectors!







AGE / VALUE:    posted by: phill on 3/13/2003 at 3:52:48 PM
I am selling my 1953 ace cycle works "the ace" this one production bike came with sturmey archer three speed hubs,FW series,dunlop rims and tires,lycette seat,shakespeare brakes.the manufacturer was charles twigg & co. there is not alot of information on charles twigg & co.the first production of this bike was late so the reciever withheld payment for breech of contract.it is a case that holds prsidence and is used in international law studies.anybody with any interest or knowledge of this bike please let me know







AGE / VALUE:    posted by: phill on 3/13/2003 at 3:52:48 PM
I am selling my 1953 ace cycle works "the ace" this one production bike came with sturmey archer three speed hubs,FW series,dunlop rims and tires,lycette seat,shakespeare brakes.the manufacturer was charles twigg & co. there is not alot of information on charles twigg & co.the first production of this bike was late so the reciever withheld payment for breech of contract.it is a case that holds prsidence and is used in international law studies.anybody with any interest or knowledge of this bike please let me know







AGE / VALUE:    posted by: phill on 3/13/2003 at 3:52:48 PM
I am selling my 1953 ace cycle works "the ace" this one production bike came with sturmey archer three speed hubs,FW series,dunlop rims and tires,lycette seat,shakespeare brakes.the manufacturer was charles twigg & co. there is not alot of information on charles twigg & co.the first production of this bike was late so the reciever withheld payment for breech of contract.it is a case that holds prsidence and is used in international law studies.anybody with any interest or knowledge of this bike please let me know







AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mark R. on 3/13/2003 at 2:15:04 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2163955496

This is worth a look even if not a bicycle.


   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:  Raleigh motorcycles posted by Chris on 3/15/2003 at 8:28:43 PM
Verralls in England. I see their ads in the glossy motorcycle magazines at the bookstore.
Motorcycle Trader I think it is.
Verralls offers all sorts of really vintage motorcycles like Raleigh.
Usually mint or finely restored bikes too.
Steady, now steady!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by David on 3/13/2003 at 11:10:25 PM
Looks suspiciously like a bicycle to me...

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Mark R. on 3/14/2003 at 2:42:09 AM
Oh My God! I swear, I had the url of a Raleigh Motorcycle! I can't imagine how the Hell that happened! I'll try again!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Mark R. on 3/14/2003 at 2:46:15 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2406559471&category=6719

Allright, that's the line I copied from the brouser, if it don't work and show a motorcycle fagedaboutit!






AGE / VALUE:   an official collector posted by: angela on 3/12/2003 at 1:02:54 AM
I officially have the curse. I found another 3-speed at the charity shop. It is nothing near the beauty and quality of my 72 Raleigh, but it was in perfect condition and I wanted somthing I could ride right away. It was a bit of a puzzle, because it has a made in Taiwan frame, and Sturmy Archer parts (including hub). It is an '85 Free Spirit, and it is a great ride! It looks like it was modeled after the British 3-speeds in style but its smaller and lighter.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   an official collector posted by Robert on 3/12/2003 at 1:23:21 PM
Angela, I have one that sounds very much like yours. Freespirit. Nice blue , with gold pinstriping on the fenders and chainguard. Nice lugged 21" frame. It came originally with a Sturmey archer coaster brake that I have changed to an AW. Mine is in 90%+ condition. Got it on sale at the Goodwill clearance center for 99 cents . Sounds like you got a great little bike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   an official collector posted by M.R. on 3/12/2003 at 3:24:39 PM
Yeah, they usually work OK. I had one for a while, and it was a totally acceptable commuter, if no where near as nice as my Raleigh.






AGE / VALUE:   Nishiki Villager posted by: David on 3/11/2003 at 4:19:24 AM
Just beat the trashman this morning; Nishiki Villager. It's a Shimano 3-speed Sports-type bike. CroMo main tubes, cotterless crank, aluminum bars, stem, fenders, chainguard, 26 x 1 3/8 wheels. Seems like a great bike. When made? Any more info? Nothing in my 1976 Nishiki pamphlet about it.







AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Superb chainguard posted by: Pete on 3/10/2003 at 5:47:00 PM
hello All If any one wants a very good condition Raleigh 26"full case in green with Superb transfer I have one for $35 plus shipping. Also a Raleigh alloy propstand at $25 plus shipping


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Superb chainguard posted by Gary Wilbert on 3/14/2003 at 8:13:57 PM
Pete: I might be interested. Where are you located? I am in Charlottesville, VA.

Can you give me more details?

Gary Wilbert






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   front fork for a phillips posted by: Mike Donohue on 3/10/2003 at 4:18:40 AM
Does anyone know or have a front fork for a phillips. I have a bike that I rescued from going to the dump. The Previous owner must have tried to fix it but the fork is missing as well as all the bearings. Any help would be appriciated.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   front fork for a phillips posted by PETE on 3/10/2003 at 5:43:49 PM
hello mike Let me know the lenth of the steerer tube as I think I have some new Philips forks