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Archived: English Roadsters







MISC:   1954 RALEIGH BIKE posted by: Fred A on 4/18/2003 at 8:34:42 PM
Well........when you're not looking, that's when you sometimes find a little prize. On the way home from work the other night, trash night, I spotted a bicycle wheel sticking out from behind a stack of boxes. I stopped, hurridly grabbed it and put it in my trunk. I knew it was an old woman's Raleigh, but to my surprise when I got it home found out it was a 1954 Sports (Sturmey dated) bike. All black, complete with fenders, chainguard, Brooks leather saddle, dual brakes and a Dynohub (althogh the front light appears to have been removed long ago. All in all, really nice shape and original. Profile view is really nice on this bike, dirty and all, and I can't wait to start the detailing. A nice match for a DL-1 I found last year being tossed also, although that's a 1971 model. The things people throw away.....







MISC:   who is the owner of this bike, infor please!!! posted by: ron on 4/18/2003 at 6:25:39 PM
http://oldroads.com/fdbdown.asp?499
this is the link sorry, does any one have any info on this bike, are they rare etc.
thanks.







AGE / VALUE:   More stuff! posted by: Chris on 4/18/2003 at 2:28:51 PM
He looks at the caller Id: "Yes, Chris,Yes Chris. I have more stuff. Come down here! (He's boored and then commands me.)
What kind of stuff? Stuff. Yes, it's here. Not at the other place, No.
I DUNNO, STUFF, OK??
I'M BUSY HERE,GOTTA RUN! BYE, CLICK!

I wonder exactly what he means by: stuff? Stuff can mean anything!
I'm gonna travel and learn what he means by: "stuff"
Been trying to get at the secret stash where the fabled Baycliffe bags are rumored to be lurking en-masse. He hasn't had time to sort the stuff! It's still his stuff. Been busy, with: "stuff"
I have been tearing out my hair over these bags! I don't care if I wind up bald as long as I get ahold of them all, I 'll be happy.
Not only do I not know what the stuff is, I don't know the quanity of the stuff. One little car or do I need the A- team with a moving van?
Can't even get at the stuff because they'll be so much other stuff in my way. Hidden stuff! Old stuff! Stuff I won't know what in tarnation it is when I do get my hands on the stuff. He'll ask, "What will ya give me for this stuff? I hope it's all underpriced stuff! I'll have to haggle for the stuff. Other vultures will be after this stuff!
He'll say: No, That's Chris's stuff before I have even seen the stuff. Stuff can't be sitting too long! Back in the day, this place had all the best stuff.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   More stuff! posted by Stacey on 4/18/2003 at 3:25:20 PM
Chris... You been listening to George (A Place for My Stuff)Carlin again? :-))))






AGE / VALUE:   I like it! posted by: Chris on 4/18/2003 at 2:21:16 PM
E- bay item # 2170341019 Phillips bicycle
Intreresting! I love that rear rack! Unique
OOOH, What a large frame it has for such small wheels.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   I like it! posted by Warren on 4/18/2003 at 4:50:40 PM
Hi Chris...can you help us out? Can you cut and paste the whole URL when ID-ing an item? Put it in the main body of text. Then I don't have to open the category, then open a random item, then cut and paste your item number etc...

many thanks!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   I like it! posted by Frank in Boise on 4/18/2003 at 6:02:26 PM
Warren,
You can just go to the ebay home page and then copy the number into the search input; it will go to the item directly.
Frank

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   I like it! posted by David on 4/18/2003 at 8:50:56 PM
Fork and frame look like it got crashed pretty hard.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   I like it! posted by Warren on 4/19/2003 at 11:52:08 AM
Thanks...never thought of that.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   I like it! posted by Chris on 4/19/2003 at 5:12:44 PM
It's time I learned to cut and paste. Ok.






AGE / VALUE:   Lovely, but with a bent fork! posted by: Chris on 4/18/2003 at 2:15:53 PM
E- bay item #2170622213 Phillips bicycle
Nice color, but the fork is bent. It's a Raleigh fork, the bike is from the time when Raleigh made the Phillips bikes.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lovely, but with a bent fork! posted by Jeff R on 4/18/2003 at 7:26:12 PM
I think it's a real Phillips. Check out that front fork again. It's a Dunalt. Like a Raleigh but the round buttons are flat on top. The rear fender stays attach above the rear axel Phillips style not behind the axel Raleigh style. I'm sure the frame is a pre 1960 Phillips. The fenders are also Phillips style. Oversized chrome nose on the front, Raleigh's are smaller, and the fender stayes are attached to the fenders with the two screws and a plate Phillips style. However I have never seen that style brake lever on a Phillips before.






MISC:   info. wanted on 52 hercucles posted by: ron on 4/18/2003 at 12:38:15 PM
http://oldroads.com/tool_dispb.asp
this is the link, does anyone have any infor on the 52 mens hercules bike on this page.
thanks


   RE:MISC:   info. wanted on 52 hercucles posted by Chris on 4/18/2003 at 2:26:01 PM
Link not working.

   RE:RE:MISC: info. wanted on 52 hercucles posted by J. M. Vernooy on 4/18/2003 at 5:22:41 PM
Is this the one?
http://oldroads.com/fdbdown.asp?499
If so you can get to the page by searching in "SEARCH the Vintage Bicycle Picture Database" section at oldroads for Hercules. Sorry, I don't have any information about it. Just trying to help you see the page that it's on.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bikes new in the box posted by: JIM on 4/17/2003 at 11:44:15 PM
Hi, I am solicitating opinions on wether or not to purchase one or a number of 1970's Raleighs that are still new in their boxes. There are a bunch there , but I am mainly interested in a DL-1L, and a few DL-22.
Now I know these are not wildly collectable, and the owner has not set his prices, but I am sure they will not be offered at the sticker price from the year they were shipped to the USA.
I feel the need to "Save the bikes". I am not sure that I will be able to assemble and ride them. They have been NOS for so long that it would seem disrespectful to build them. Now, I am aware that this was the intended use, but things are only new once...
Maybe I am nuts.
I have mentally placed a conservative value on them: The Ladies DL-1 I figured $500. I know of mens bikes NOS selling easy for $1000, Heck... I paid almost $500 for my C9 DL-1.
The 'Sports' have S3C hubs. This is a Fav of mine. [A hold over from the years of skidding fishtails in my Dad's driveway.] I have set a $250 value estimate. My estimate is approximatly 1/2 of what I think the ebay price would be.
Anyone have an opinion on assembly or value?
I was thrilled to look into the boxes and see the perfect paint and original packing. Oh... what to do?

jim


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bikes new in the box posted by David on 4/18/2003 at 2:05:37 AM
If you're planning to resell, I recommend that you do NOT assemble the bikes or even remove them from their boxes. Date them and find out exactly what size, equipment, etc you actually have so you can illustrate your ad with, perhaps, scans from the correct catalog. Your ideal customer is a collector, and will pay a premium for the pristine condition you seem to have. A rider won't pay the money you're looking for.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Merlin club bike on eBay posted by: steve on 4/17/2003 at 5:16:28 PM
EBay #2170766222: Too bad it's not mine, and I'm glad it's too big for me, because it's too expensive, too far away - and too superb. What an inspiration. . .!







MISC:   COASTER BRAKE NEEDS OIL? posted by: Mario Romano on 4/17/2003 at 12:31:45 AM
Friends, my Perry coaster brake hub have a little central hole for oiling and I have a doubt: this hub accept oiling or greasing? Drip oil on the hole will not cause brake failure by lubricate the braking surface and reducing the braking efficience? The braking surface must be lubricated or not?

MARIO ROMANO / BRAZIL


   RE:MISC:   COASTER BRAKE NEEDS OIL? posted by Oscar on 4/17/2003 at 1:13:01 AM
A little light oil (less than you need for a threespeed) it good for coaster hubs. It will not make the braking surface slippery, so don't worry.






WANTED:   Does anyone have one? posted by: Oscar on 4/16/2003 at 10:20:15 PM
I'm in need of a Robin Hood hockey stick chainguard. Please email me if you have one for sale or trade.


   RE:WANTED:   Does anyone have one? posted by Mark R. on 4/17/2003 at 11:52:24 AM
Oscar, for a 26 in.? I have one. I'll check at lunch time and get back to you here. What condition were you looking for? Mine is usable, but a little bit rough, not bad but not "new" either. You can have it if you want it. I'll write back in a few.....

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Does anyone have one? posted by Mark R. on 4/17/2003 at 5:34:17 PM
Couldn't get out to go home at lunch, so I'll check tonight and get back at'cha then...

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   Does anyone have one? posted by Oscar on 4/17/2003 at 10:33:06 PM
Mark:

That looks like what I'm looking for. The paint is rough, but all there. A battle hardened chainguard of a 26" would work very well.






MISC:   English Durability-Quality posted by: Drew on 4/16/2003 at 11:20:27 AM
Since I became interested in vintage DL1's about five years ago, I've found about a dozen and given some to family members, of course all are impressed at build quality of these machines, everything from materials to simply the way nuts and bolts fit.
Slightly off the cycle topic, but I went to an old friend from high school's concert(same rock band since 1978). While at the show, I noticed that his stage moniters were a very old pair of English 'Wharfedale' hifi speakers. Turns out they're about 40 years old and my friend has used them as monitors for about 18 years, through the years they've been dropped, rained on and have had a hard life on the road, yet they work like a jem. My friend adds " they just kept going and going, so I kept using them". I guess the point of my story is when you are out at yard sales looking for Roadsters and you see some vintage Wharfedale speakers, buy them, they'll probably outlast any Asian speakers now in your living room!







AGE / VALUE:   Sun Sports posted by: Ian on 4/16/2003 at 9:59:15 AM
Todays find was a three speed sports roadster by Sun Cycles of Birmingham. Brass head badge the same as my '37 Sun Tandem. The interesting thing for a clubman sports type bike is that it has drum brakes and that they are not date stamped. The rear is just marked AB and the front BF. Can someone please tell what model I am likely to have and when S.A. started to date stamp drum brake three speed hubs. My guess based on the style of guards, types of levers etc is 1930's but if anyone has Sun catalogues any help would be appreciated. Likewise info on the tandem. Thanks, Ian.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sun Sports posted by Edward in Vancouver on 4/16/2003 at 1:31:27 PM
Ian, I have a similar front hub. I knew it was old, probably pre WW2, but had no idea of it's age. I sent photos and description to Mr. Peter Read, of Phoenix Hub gear repairs in England, who identified it as one of the first 90mm drum brakes, circa 1932-35. His address is posted on Tony Hadland's site, both slow mail and e-mail.
Oh, by the way, my 70 yr drum hub has been re furbished and provides excellent stopping power for me and my bike.
Regards, Edward

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sun Sports posted by Warren on 4/16/2003 at 7:53:06 PM
Art Smith has (had?) a 1930's Raleigh Golden Arrow that also came equipped with drum brakes...musta been the "thing" back then.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sun Sports posted by Chris on 4/17/2003 at 12:51:44 AM
A very wonderful thing, rarely seen and elusive.






AGE / VALUE:   Sun Sports posted by: Ian on 4/16/2003 at 9:59:15 AM
Todays find was a three speed sports roadster by Sun Cycles of Birmingham. Brass head badge the same as my '37 Sun Tandem. The interesting thing for a clubman sports type bike is that it has drum brakes and that they are not date stamped. The rear is just marked AB and the front BF. Can someone please tell what model I am likely to have and when S.A. started to date stamp drum brake three speed hubs. My guess based on the style of guards, types of levers etc is 1930's but if anyone has Sun catalogues any help would be appreciated. Likewise info on the tandem. Thanks, Ian.







MISC:   PERRY COASTER BRAKE posted by: Mario Romano on 4/16/2003 at 1:16:53 AM
I recently purchased a Perry coaster brake hub for my custom restored 1952 Rudge-Whitworth and I urgent need to know some more informations on this coaster brake hub...

DESCRIPTION OF THE HUB
suitable for 36 spokes rims,
21-teeth freewhell with a tinny hole for place the spokes without disassembly the hub
oiling hole in the center of the hub covered by a tinny screw
writings: "Perry made in England 36" and "Perry"

AND MY URGENT QUESTIONS ON THIS HUB...

1.Which bicycles this coaster brake hub originally fits?
2.Perry was (or is) a factory owned or related to Raleigh?
3.any ideas on the approximately age of my Perry hub?

AVAILABLE PIC OF MY HUB: http://www.mercadolivre.com.br/org-img/original/MLB/6021448_7673.jpg

THANX A LOT, FRIENDS!

MARIO ROMANO / BRAZIL


   RE:MISC:   PERRY COASTER BRAKE posted by Ian on 4/16/2003 at 9:48:02 AM
Mario, here in New Zealand I have seen many different makes of British single speed bicycles fitted with Perry coaster brake hubs so I guess that they were an independent company that sold hubs to all the different manufacturers of bikes. I have even got some Japanese made pirate parts for Perry hubs so there must have been a lot of them about to be worthwile making copy parts for them. Hope this helps. Ian.

   RE:MISC:   PERRY COASTER BRAKE posted by Be careful out there on 4/16/2003 at 1:13:38 PM
Several years ago I was riding a Schwinn middleweight bike with a Perry coaster hub. It looked in pretty good condition as did the bike. Upon braking going down a hill somewhat fast there came a crack noise from the hub and it immediatly turned into a direct drive and almost threw me off. I gained control and got the bike back home. Opened the hub and found the brake clutch broke and the pieces loged into a place in the hub that caused it to be a track bike in effect. I replaced the hub and have been wary of Perry hubs since.

   RE:RE:MISC:   PERRY COASTER BRAKE posted by Chris on 4/18/2003 at 2:28:33 PM
Can't that potentially happen with any coaster brake hub?
Even more so possibly with the newer cheaper made coaster brake hubs?







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   KING EDWARD'S ROYAL HUMBER posted by: Carlton Ricks on 4/16/2003 at 12:29:59 AM
I purchased a so-called King Edward's Royal Bicycle made by Humber of England. The differences between my bicycle and the "other" Humber-made bicycles are:

1-My bicycle have gold painting on the fenders pannel
2-My bicycle have decals reading "To Our Majesty King Edward" and "Royal Humber"
3-My bicycle have ALL special features from Humber catalogue, including dynohub, Lucas lighting and fork lock... whitewall tires too!
4-My bicycle have gold plated (with real 18k gold) handlebar, sprocket cutouts and spokes
5-My bicycle have a utterly beautiful enameled and gold plated head badge
6-My bicycle have the so-called "Double Special Crown Saddle" from Brooks (I don't know it's number, but it have twisted springing) completely chrome plated and very very confortable
7-my bicycle have ALL it's factory items, including: spare parts, leather bag, tool kit and even a "birth certificate"

I looking for someone that wants to buy this bicycle from me... anyone interested on it? I already received many buying proposal, not specificly too good...

CARLTON RICKS - BEAUMONT UPON AVON, ENGLAND


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   KING EDWARD'S ROYAL HUMBER posted by Mohammad Ibn El-Kaoun on 4/16/2003 at 12:41:23 AM
Mr. Ricks I saw the picture of your bicycle by mail and I liked bvery mych. How much it costs?

MOHAMMAD IBN EL-KAOUN / EL-KAOUN ANTIQUITIES, CAIRO - EGYPT

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   KING EDWARD'S ROYAL HUMBER posted by Warren on 4/16/2003 at 1:52:59 AM
Not to be a sceptic Mr Ricks, but you will need to take some very detailed pictures to sell this bike. Please let us know when you have some. We would love to see them

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   KING EDWARD'S ROYAL HUMBER posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 4/17/2003 at 12:47:09 AM
Carlton, Please describe this better for us.
This is an 28 inch wheel machine, yes?
How much U.S. dollars does one need to mention to you before you consider their offer real and serious?
You are referring to something that was reserved for Royalty.
Humber pulled out all the stops and worked magic but then it went up to a whole diffrent level.

The cycles that attracted the interest of Kings around the world.
Humber did indeed supply cycles for Kings and Sultans and Princes. Raleigh also and other companies like Sunbeam too.
Stage and motion picture figures. Famous artists came to the Raleigh works and sat amongst the workers and as they trued wheels and "stuck stickers" as Phillip Darnton calls decal transfers. They painted and sketched there.
Yes it was really something indeed.
It's interesting, even at this late date the interest shown. People still wanting to own the cycles that Humber and Raleigh produced. The older models.
Carlton posts a message and immediately after there is a fellow expressing interest from Cairo, Egypt.
Amazing!
As I read and followed the unfolding story about the demise of Raleigh. The demolition of it's factories, the dismantlement of an empire, the thing that probably should be remembered most about all of it is the fact that all over the world. Kings and Presidents, Princes and Sultans,
royalty from around the globe was entranced by the marvelous cycles that Raleigh and others turned out.

A visit to the Raleigh works was a thing that these Kings and Sultans wanted to do and looked forward to doing when they traveled to Britain. This put the factories and buildings of Raleigh and others on a level with palaces, national treasures and heads of state!
How many heads of industry played host to royality?
A book write- up with photographs is called for in this case. Please consider.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   KING EDWARD'S ROYAL HUMBER posted by Geoff on 4/17/2003 at 2:41:35 AM
Call me a skeptic, okay. But the King's 3-speed bicycle? Sounda a bit of a stretch to me. I thought the King rode around in a Daimler limo or on a white stallion.
Does it really say "to OUR majesty?" That sounds like a fake to me. The term is "His majesty" or "Your majesty", not "ours."
But maybe I am wrong to view such things with a jaundiced eye. Can you post us some pictures so we may judge for ourselves? Maybe this machine is really a very valuable gem, and was really owned by a king. I would love to know!
Geoff "way too many old English bikes, many of which are for sale" Rogers
( a shameless bit of self-serving advetisement)

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: KING EDWARD'S ROYAL HUMBER posted by P.C. Kohler on 4/17/2003 at 3:14:13 AM
A treat to talk about British royality and bicycles!

Actually, the Royal Family DID cycle. There are some delightful photos taken at Sandringham of HM King George VI and Princess Elizabeth and Princess Margaret all on Humbers while Queen Elizabeth is in a pony and trap! C. 1943. They were inspecting the estate farm. There is another photo of the Princesses on their Humbers; Elizabeth's is a caliper brake one with... a broken and dented 12 v. Dynohub lamp! Margaret's is a pristine rod-braked Humber.

And of course Royalty visited cycle works all the time. I have seen photos of Princess Elizabeth looking over the brand new Lenton Tourist c. 1949, the Duke of Edinburgh opening the British Cycle & Motorcycle Show c. 1950 in New York etc. And photos of Prince Charles being presented with a Raleigh as well.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   KING EDWARD'S ROYAL HUMBER posted by Brian on 4/17/2003 at 12:31:39 PM
Geoff (or other list members), Any men's 21" framesets for sale? I'm seeking a platform to install some of my older parts. If it can fit a S/A hubset & it's a quality, 1960's and earlier frame - let me know. I've been on the prowl for a top-of-the-line Humber frameset in a 21" size with/without a fork.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: KING EDWARD'S ROYAL HUMBER posted by Chris on 4/17/2003 at 3:09:40 PM
Cars would be: Bentley and Rolls Royce.From the states, (back in the day) Cadillac, Pierce Arrow, and Lincoln.
Today it is a Mercedes Benz. Mercedes never ever lost her lustre. Cadillac and Lincoln lost so much it is astounding. But back in the day, they beat a path to have a Cadillac as it was really something to behold!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: KING EDWARD'S ROYAL HUMBER posted by P.C. Kohler on 4/17/2003 at 4:35:15 PM
Not to stray too far off topic: Rolls Royce or Bentley? For the British Royal Family? NEVER!!! The marque of choice for the Royal Household was always the peerless DAIMLER. Not to be confused with the German nonsense of today. No Royal except maybe rogues like the Duke of Windsor would be caught driving anything as sporty as a Bentley.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: KING EDWARD'S ROYAL HUMBER posted by sam on 4/18/2003 at 12:18:37 PM
Rightly so,but that Daimler Conguest convertible coupe!,now that's sporty!!