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Archived: English Roadsters







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   ARE LONGER STEMS AVAILABLE? posted by: James T. Salzlein on 4/25/2003 at 1:22:18 PM
Hello Anglophiles,

Are longer (taller) stems available for the Raleigh Sports?

Thank you for your help.

Jim


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   ARE LONGER STEMS AVAILABLE? posted by sam on 4/25/2003 at 10:53:34 PM
Look for a stem off the exercise bike built by raleigh.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Handlebars posted by: Oscar on 4/25/2003 at 2:10:34 AM
I'm new to roadsters, so I'll say something very naive. Do you notice that English three-speed handlebars are narrow compared to other bikes? Maybe I'm used to bars as wide as Schwinn upright bars that boast a 23" wingspan. My Robin Hood has bars that are a little shy of 21". Those two inches make a lot of difference in handling. On the Robin Hood, I'm often steering and countersteering when riding very slow. Are wider bars made that will fit onto a Raleigh-style gooseneck?

By the way, the narrowest bars I've dealt with were french touring bars that were 18" across. The handling was terrible.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Handlebars posted by Geo on 4/25/2003 at 4:04:39 AM
I too have noticed this. I dragged a mutilated Sports out of the trash a couple years ago, it was missing handle bars. I had a Sears Free Spirit three speed I was picking parts off of and used those bars. They were oversized NorthRoad style and it is my best handling Brit bike. They fit fine but I am sure it was only by luck. I thought I heard they made oversize NorthRoads replacements now but I may be wrong. I thought Harris Cyclery had them but again I may be wrong. Keep an eye out for those heavy ugly Austrian Free Spirit bikes because those bars fit when I tried. They'll hang me for that suggestion here but anyway.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Handlebars posted by joe on 4/25/2003 at 11:37:53 AM
I noticed my AMC Hercules (both '64 & '71 models) have bars more narrow than the Schwinn and other American 3 speed bikes. My '64 Hercules is a rescue job that is real ugly with rust, dents and scratches but I have it running well mechanically, it is my transportation bike and I may change the bars to the wider style. My '71 Hercules is all original and I will never change the bars-it just wouldn't be right!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Handlebars posted by J. M. Vernooy on 4/25/2003 at 12:36:08 PM
I don't know if it is anything but tradition that dictates the narrow width of the handlebars on these bicycles. The need to steer and countersteer at low speeds that Oscar mentions is probably more because of the natural effect of the steering angle and fork rake that these bicycles typically have. They are made for high speed stability and so the steering is set to angles that compromise low speed stability. The low speed steering effect even has a name. It is called "wheel flop" or "low speed wheel flop". The old movies that depict a British policeman riding one of these bicyces was where I first saw that wheel flop was normal. Many factors can degrade the handling of a bicycle. I've found that some of the late model, 70's era, Raleighs benefit from not using tires with a raised center ridge. Apparently they were made to use a roadster type tire. As for the handlebar changing, I've never even considered that a British bicycle could have been built with the wrong ones.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Handlebars posted by Chris on 4/26/2003 at 4:43:03 PM
I have a set of handlebars on one bike. They are long and beautifully chromed and are stamped Raleigh Industries on them. Magnificent!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Handlebars posted by Oscar on 4/26/2003 at 9:29:24 PM
So, does the width of the handlebar affect the stability and handling of the ride?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Handlebars posted by J. M. Vernooy on 4/26/2003 at 10:42:52 PM
The short answer - If you change the width of the handlebars the bicycle's steering will feel different. Disreguard what follows if all you wanted was the short answer. In fact, what follows is a shortened long answer. The width of the handlebars affects the control that you have over the bicycle. The handlebar width changes the percieved handling of the bicycle. With wider handlebars you will feel that you have more control of a bicycle, whether it has poor handling characteristics or not, without changing the handling which is dependant upon the angle of the fork's steerer tube, the amount that the fork holds the axle ahead of where a straight line in line through the center of the steerer tube would fall (rake), the alignment, the tires, the weight of the bicycle, and the wheelbase. Fork trail (the distance between where a line in line with the center of the steerer tube would reach the ground and where a plumb line from the axle meets the ground), also affects handling but fork trail results from the fork's steerer angle and the fork's rake. (The handlebars on a road racing bicycle with downturned handlebars should be the width of the rider's shoulders because a greater percentage of the rider's weight is placed upon them making their width critical. For the width of other types of handlebars you can rely more upon personal preference.) Sorry about the long, somewhat technical, answer but a bicycle's steering characteristics rely on so many factors. Changing to wider handlebars will not harm anything but possibly the appearance of the bicycle as long as you don't try to go through any narrow passage that is narrower than the handlebars.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Handlebars posted by Stacey on 4/26/2003 at 10:43:38 PM
Without going to extremes, it's basicaly a point of comfort. If you're not comfortable the quality of ride & handling will suffer.

Though from a technical aspect, the wider the bar the more leverage you'll have on the direction the wheel is pointing and the less sensitive steering input will be.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Way too much fun! posted by: Larry Bone on 4/25/2003 at 1:20:15 AM
OH BOY!!! This past weekend I acquired 9 roadsters...(yeah, I'm a glutton for punishment). Anyhow, going to do top to bottom cleanups on all of 'em. Cherry pick the best fer myself.. and well I guess sell the rest. Anyhow, got started on the first one, a '68 Sports in green and it's really starting to look great!!!!! I will say this... as others had observed, the chrome pre- 70's is MUCH better than the 70's bikes. I have a matched pair of 78 sports and the chrome on those two..... gad...

And to really top it off.... 9 mikes in the back of the truck coming back from Albany, NY... lo and behold there's a brown sports out for the trash on the side of the road in Walden, NY.... I had no room... :-( So, while I managed to save 9.... we lost another.

Anyhow.... I can't wait to get to the black one... it's gonna be REAL pretty!!!

KEEP AN EYE OUT!!!! It IS spring cleaning after all..... and there may be Roadsters out there begging to be SAVED!!!!

Later!!!!

Boneman


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Way too much fun! posted by ? on 4/25/2003 at 11:05:52 AM
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Way too much fun! posted by Larry Bone on 4/25/2003 at 5:15:55 PM
Yep. Nine... (9)

('_^)

Later!!!

Boneman






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA AND HUMBER... YEAR??? posted by: MARCELO AFORNALI on 4/24/2003 at 6:37:25 PM
Colleagues:

I have two bicycles which I do not obtain to know with exactness the year of manufacture... One of them is of the Humber mark hoop 26 with numeration of picture 9250AV and to another one it is a BSA hoop 28 with numeration of B69818 picture... He would like that if possible, some colleague helped me to distinguish the years from these bicycles so that I can restore them with its original standard perfectly...
Without more, I thank to the chance and the attention and wait emails on the year of these bicycles...

Very obliged...

Marcelo Afornali...

www.bicicletasantigas.com.br

Curitiba - Paraná - Brazil


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA AND HUMBER... YEAR??? posted by Carlton Ricks from Alabama on 4/25/2003 at 1:45:12 AM
Hey Mike,

I think that your english bicycles aren't so "english" as you want... this serial numbers, for me, appears to be very very strange indeed, can ya dig it? I think that you get some strange bicycle according to Oldroads english roadsters serial number chart, dig it? The serial number doesn't match with any other number or pattern on the chart... Your bicycles have the frame forged gear hub pulley or a plastic pulley? I saw some of your bicycles on the picture databank and I think'em are very very groovy, can ya dig it??

CARLTON RICKS / RICKS BOGGS FARM, ALABAMA...

"southern with pride, american by the grace of the Lord"
"Confederates, get'em all on ol'south!"

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA AND HUMBER... YEAR??? posted by MARCELO AFORNALI on 4/25/2003 at 2:38:14 AM
Carlton:

I believe that it has a difference in the bicycles exportation as it can see for the numbers... All the two are original of plant and have the accessories of the time... The Humber for example, is in my family more or 30 years and original and less always entire, since rubbers of pedalk still it has the writing with the name of the bicycle... It has a catalogue here in the Oldroads for Raleigh bicycles exportation that I obtained and see that the colors are well different of the English standard... Probably the difference in the numeration exists also... In case that it can help me, he would be very been thankful, therefore catalogues with numeration and year he was something that still did not obtain in my region... One more time I thank and I ask for excuses for my English, therefore I use myself of translator and nor always they function well...

It visits my page of old bicycles here in Brazil...

The address is

www.bicicletasantigas.com.br

A great one hugs and obliged mine very...

Marcelo Afornali...

Curitiba - Paraná - Brazil

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA AND HUMBER... YEAR??? posted by Carlton Ricks on 4/25/2003 at 10:44:53 PM
Yeh Mike,

Great page of your own, very good pics and lots of the ol'amusement, can ya dig it? I heard, right here at Oldroads, about just a few vintage bicycle repairers on Brazil... how many restorers (as you are) currently work on Brazil? Thanx by your comments, bud!

CARLTON RICKS

"If God loves America, who will loves not?"

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA AND HUMBER... YEAR??? posted by Marcelo Afornali on 4/26/2003 at 1:07:22 PM
Carlton:

Debtor for its visit and I am happy that it liked my page... Work in Brazil yes, I am of the city of Curitiba, in the state of the Paraná... I am of the South of Brazil, of the part where it has more Italian settling, therefore also I am a descendant of Italians... I am grateful of its visit and we will keep contact... It sees if it obtains something of those numbers to help to identify the year me of these bicycles...

Very obliged one more time...

Marcelo Afornali...

www.bicicletasantigas.com.br

      BSA AND HUMBER... YEAR??? posted by Chris on 4/26/2003 at 5:22:37 PM
We need old catalogs and information geared towards what was exported to Brazil. It was a good market and there must be old catalogs and picture information and lists of area shops and service depots and jobber wharehouses in Mario's area. Where that old catalog information is, I don't know. Somebody must have this however and to find it and get it posted would be great. Look for old catalogs for bikes that were sent to Brazil.
Sales jobbers, store personel who sold these cycles. Mario seems to be finding a lot of really interesting cycles and the page looks great.

Why oh why did they decide to not stamp a date on the single speed coaster brake model hubs?
They did with the 3 speed hubs.
The serial number chart works for some but not for many of us.

   RE:   BSA AND HUMBER... YEAR??? posted by HUMBER AND BSA... YEAR??? on 4/27/2003 at 3:54:14 AM
Chris:

I am the catalogue search to discover the years of these bicycles... Much thing already I obtained, but still I did not arrive the old suppliers as well as I did not obtain catalogues that bring numeration of year or similar thing... As much in the Humber bicycle how much in the BSA, the cubes it does not have date of manufacture... The cube of humber is a Perry contrapedal and of the BSA it is a Brampton with Villiers ratchet... I obtained some catalogues as I spoke previously and that for signal, part of them are fixed in the Oldroads, these catalogues are models exportation... Exportation is about the catalogue of the Raleigh bicycle and the catalogue Sturmey Archer that contains some models of cubes for bicycles... This age a wall catalogue that was scaner and divided in diverse parts, therefore was about something great e that could not entirely be scaner... I still have the other parts of this catalogue of the year of 1947, but that I did not pass to the computer and that I will make this service soon to send them for your...

I am thankful one more time and I wait that somebody can help me to determine the years of manufacture of these bicycles...

My gratefulness and greetings comings of Brazil...

Marcelo Afornali...

www.bicicletasantigas.com.br

   RE:RE:   BSA AND HUMBER... YEAR??? posted by CARLTON RICKS on 4/28/2003 at 4:33:16 PM
Do ya know someone named Cigano? This bud talk about you and talked very good. I think that your bicycles and the bicycles of this guy named Cigano are all fake ones, understand? This appears to be indian or chinese bicycles... all of u bikes, with no exception nor for ya or for Cigano... Cigano and Mike, forgery on bicycle antiquities...!!!

C. RICKS WROTE IT AND FACES EVERYONE THAT DON'T LIKE THIS


   RE:RE:RE:   BSA AND HUMBER... YEAR??? posted by CIGANO BIKES on 4/29/2003 at 11:24:56 PM
FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE! FUCK CARLTON RICKS AND FUCK THE AMERICANS!!!






WANTED:   Input... What to do. posted by: Stacey on 4/24/2003 at 4:41:07 PM
I recently got a '77 Raleigh Sports, silver, S3C hub, with a 'Camelback' frame. The '77 catalog at the RetroRaleighs site makes no mention of a 'Camelback' frame option.

The bike is in nice shape, not perfect, but nice. Some paint chips, handlebar chrome may or may not clean up well, wrong pedals, etc. My question is; should I try to find the correct pedals and replace the bars (if necessary) and keep it original... because of any possible uniqueness. Or, would it be alright (because of commonality) to loose the S3C in favor of a Dyno-Three and install a lighting system and DBU from a derilect '50's vintage Phillips. BTW - I have a front wheel that matches the flat center design of the Dyno-Three wheel.

A real quandry. The heart says 'Do as you will." whereas the head is telling me to ask a few questions first.

Thanks in advance.


   RE:WANTED:   Input... What to do. posted by Mark R. on 4/24/2003 at 6:35:18 PM
Stacey, Seems to me that the camel back as you put it must be reasonably common, since I found one for my nephew easily enough(he needed a smaller frame), and I've seen many on eBay etc...
I should think you could do whatever mods you like on it without hurting it or lessening it's value, which would be only marginal anyway right?
I'd say "have at it lad!"

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Input... What to do. posted by Edward in Vancouver on 4/25/2003 at 2:57:05 AM
The good thing about bikes is that they are just a sum of components. If you don't like what you've done a few months later, you can always change it back. Now if I can just convince my 5 yr old son to remove my old 52 tooth chainring that he twist-tied to his front wheel spokes...






AGE / VALUE:+AKAAoACg-I'm in shock again, this is far worse than silver spray paint on chrome! posted by: Chris on 4/24/2003 at 1:43:49 PM
I heard another story last night about boxes and boxes of shifters being thrown out. The fellow wanted to clear space for new inventory. Never mind that selling the old would pay (or help pay) for the new!
All I could say over and over was "Oh, No!" and: "What else did he have?" Over and over again. A pal heard about this place and didn't tell me about it, and then he got there 6 months too late himself.
This is a set up that I somehow missed myself. I'm sick over this!
One thing I have learned is that you have to visit often and leave a phone number and stay in touch and keep at it. Oh sure they can put your card in their wallet and even if you kindly loom over them and see that your number goes into the rollodex or computer or whatever. Still, it doesn't matter. They'll come up with some lame excuse and say that they lost your number anyhow. They will never call, and it'll be thrown out. I'll look downstairs and scream. Yup! bare walls and empty space! Get to know wives and daughters and sons so when somebody passes on they'll remember: "that fellow that wanted the bike stuff.You have to stay in touch with folks who have the old bike goodies constantly.
I guess if you don't stay on them they end up believing that: "Well he must have not still wanted it because he would have called me." Type of thinking. Anyways I'm wearing black and mourning today. I'm agrivated and slightly depressed, but it'll pass! It's not that I missed out on it personally, (yes, that's the bulk of it)
It's that NOBODY got ahold of it at all. I would rather call any arch rival collector pal of mine and tell him that I can't get it and that: "For gods sake come and buy this stuff he has before it is too late!" I'll fax you a map and help carry it out for you! At least somebody will be happy to have it for fun and profit rather than nobody. This time it went to landfil, the dump, the garbage truck won out. This on the heals of a similar story about things being thrown in a skip in England. Go find the goodies, gloat, tell me it is not for sale, brag, rub it in that your found it first until I'm polychromatic green with envy, send me a picture of the new pole barn and tell me to: Eat your heart out!" Put up pictures of your shop and secret stash up on the internet for me to drool over with envy! Whatever! Just please don't mess up and then come tell me it went to landfil! That it's lost forever!
This is a sin akin to throwing out old tools. Tools of any kind. Yes, it is like that. To me, this is like betraying the "Viking Code of Brotherhood" or something. Yes, I'm sitting next to you in the longboat laden down with goodies and I'm asking in horror. "What do you mean you left stuff there and they threw it all out?"


   RE:AGE / VALUE:+AKAAoACg-I'm in shock again, this is far worse than silver spray paint on chrome! posted by edgarecks on 4/24/2003 at 5:12:25 PM
How many landfills you got in your town? Take a shovel, rent a backhoe, go look for that stuff!!






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO SHIP FROM ENGLAND posted by: James T. Salzlein on 4/24/2003 at 1:58:47 AM
Hello Anglophiles,

Typically how much does it cost to ship a roadster from England? What types of shipping are available? What is best? How long does it take?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO SHIP FROM ENGLAND posted by Peter on 4/24/2003 at 9:48:20 AM
For comparison I just shipped a bike from England to Japan. The best (cheapest) I could find was Parcelforce Worldwide, run by the British Post Office I believe.

They offer Standard and Economy services.

Standard is 7 working days delivery, automatic £150 insurance (which can be increased at cost I think).

Economy is 40 days delivery, no insurance.

Other destinations had slightly different journey times.

There are size restrictions on the package, length plus girth must not exceed 3 metres. In practice the bicycle box I got from a bike shop had been designed just within these limits.

The bike I sent was a lightweight, the packed weight was about 17.5 kilograms - say 38 pounds. The cost was £106 Standard, £87 Economy. To USA the cost would have been a little lower. Over a certain weight the cost increases per half kilogram.

My contact opted for Standard delivery, the bike arrived on time and undamaged.

Hope this helps, Peter.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO SHIP FROM ENGLAND posted by Peter on 4/24/2003 at 12:44:54 PM
Just checked the latest prices -

Standard delivery to the States is minimum 5 days, £91.05 for 15 kgs., each additional half kg. costs £1.55,

Economy is minimum 28 days, £69.35 for 15 kgs., additional half kg. is £1.65, max weight 30kg.
Peter.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO SHIP FROM ENGLAND posted by PETE on 4/24/2003 at 1:00:17 PM
I Use Parcel force all the time and have had good results.
A couple of thing to watch. Make sure the box size is correct (I thought it was 2.75m to the US?) Also I have to sent the wheels seperate for space and saftey. Ask for a consignment rate for the two boxes if they are going to the same address, It's cheeper






MISC:   HOW TO CLEAN BICYCLES... posted by: Mario Romano on 4/23/2003 at 11:50:08 PM
I have a nice way to clean up bicycles... Here goes:

GREASE SPOTS ON THE FRAME OR CLEAN WHITE WALL TIRES... use hot water with a small amount of powder soap on it, brush with a toothbrush. Rub it gently!







MISC:   Hercules Sprung frame posted by: Evelyn Baring on 4/23/2003 at 5:58:22 PM
Did Hercules make any bicycles with sprung front forks somewhat like the rocking front suspension on very early Triumph motorcycles?


   RE:MISC:   Hercules Sprung frame posted by Ian on 4/23/2003 at 7:13:41 PM
I have never seen any literature that suggested that Hercules made forks but what I did own at one time was two different makes of bikes that had identical girder forks fitted. I was told that these were accessory forks made by a company called Webb who also supplied parts to motorcycle manufacturers. Mine were sprung with a small spring in the centre but I have also seen pictures of a set sprung with rubber bands. They were often sold with bikes that were fitted with the clip-on powercycle motors. Happy to email photos if that helps. Regards, Ian.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Proper Job posted by: Tim on 4/23/2003 at 2:47:02 PM
http://www.rogerco.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anew/gent-cycle-cig.jpg

This looks like a proper job. Nice machine.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Proper Job posted by Oscar on 4/23/2003 at 9:30:00 PM
It looks too big, but the proper kind of bike you can ride with a cigarette.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Proper Job posted by Tim on 4/24/2003 at 9:47:10 AM
Interesting that you say it's too big. If you look at all the machines in the photographs at this website, http://www.rogerco.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anew/collect2.htm
you will notice that either the people are all midgets only holding bicycles that belong to someone else or that machines were measured somewhat differently in those days. Seriously my collection of machines from the 1890s up to the 1930s are all 25", 26" machines. It was considered that when in the saddle ones leg should be perfectly straight when the crank was at its lowest. I have noticed that in the USA you favour 22" and 23" machines. My big Royal Enfield roadster made in 1925 is 26" and has a step bolted to the rear chainstay in order to mount. When stopped it is neccessary to sit forward on the crossbar and lean slightly to put your foot on the ground. I have some smaller machines but find them uncomfortable. Times change and peope have different ideas as to what is right. I'll stick to my oldies.

Regards,

Tim

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Proper Job posted by P.C. Kohler on 4/24/2003 at 2:05:00 PM
Interesting post, Tim.

We've chatted about this before. Prior to the 1930s, frames were huge as you say and people rode their bikes differently. It was common, if not necessary, to dismount at stops. As motor traffic and congestion grew, this became impractical and by the 1930s we see what are called "low bottom bracket" machines, prime among them being the Raleigh "Dawn" and the Rudge "Super Safety". These had 10 1/2 inches between ground and crank axle so one could stop and place one foot on the ground for balance. Wheel size (26" instead of 28") and frame sizes were smaller: 22" but Raleigh made a 24" for 1939-40 (which I have). After the war, it became the standard 21" or 23".

The big "sit and beg" roadsters continued to be made up until 1946-47 when peacetime production really resumed. The last time Raleigh offered a 26" frame was in 1948. At least to the home market; export may been different. For example, I don't recall seeing any pre-war 24" framed DL-1s offered yet on e-Bay that were US market models; they are all 22". Conversely, most of the 26" framed models I've seen are in the UK plus one in Canada. Odd, since I can't even buy my trousers off the peg in the UK with my 34" inseam!

I find it's much easier (and I'm 6' 2") adopting to the size of a bike, be it a 24" DL-1 or a 23" Dawn, than getting used to the radically different handling of these machines. I look forward to getting my 1939 24" Dawn from England to see how she differs from the others. Part of the fun of having a "fleet", don't you know?!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Proper Job posted by Chris on 4/24/2003 at 2:46:12 PM
One plant in India or was it Africa? told me they could make a batch of 26 inch roadster frames with 28 inch wheels. That the tooling and workforce could make them.
It would have been a special order and that they have not been making this size frame in years but it could be done. I like 26 inch frames but not a batch of 500 at once!

You hardly ever see the larger frames and even in the U.K. they are getting more scarce.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Proper Job posted by Tim on 4/25/2003 at 9:08:16 AM
I don't think that these 26" frames are getting scarce in the UK. It's just that you don't see them on Ebay. I see lots at farm sales and advertised in the VCC magazine. If anyone is interested there were at least a dozen for sale in this months issue. Email me if you are interested. They are of course all in the UK.

Regards,

Tim

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Proper Job posted by David Poston on 4/29/2003 at 8:49:34 PM
Tim, I agree that these jobs look very proper, but for someone like me (5'7"), would I have any luck finding anything smaller in an old roadster from 'round the turn-of-the-century? When was the 22" frame introduced? I suppose I could ride on tip-toe, or attach stilts to my shoes.

David

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Proper Job posted by Tim on 4/30/2003 at 9:06:30 AM
Yes there are 22" frames from the early years usually with 26" wheels though. Sometimes you see small frames with 28" wheels but they look out of proportion. The best place to get good old cycles is from the Small Ads in the Veteran Cycle Club magazine. The prices are nowhere near those on Ebay. I believe it costs £18 to join the VCC.

Regards,

Tim






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Proper Job posted by: Tim on 4/23/2003 at 2:47:02 PM
http://www.rogerco.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anew/gent-cycle-cig.jpg

This looks like a proper job. Nice machine.







AGE / VALUE:   Can anybody identify this Crown posted by: Carl on 4/23/2003 at 4:19:26 AM
I've just recently acquired a vintage rod brake bike but have no information on it. Here is what I do know: it has rod brakes, 26 x 1 3/8" Dunlap tires, single speed freewheel, an "L" shaped welded seat post with a Lycett leather saddle and a Wald, patent pending rear frame kick-stand. It has a "Crown" sticker on the head tube and a "Crown" sticker on the rear fender. A "patent pending" sticker and a " guaranteed English made" sticker on the seat down tube. There are no signs of a chainguard ever being on the bicycle. I am assuming it is Pre-War but not quite sure. Any information would be extremely useful!!! Please e-mail me at carlsclunkerz@yahoo.com if you have any info or need a couple of pictures to help identify. Thanks.







MISC:    brooks saddles posted by: karl on 4/23/2003 at 3:08:55 AM
I am trying to determine how to figure the manufacture date on Brooks saddles. Any help appreciated.


   RE:MISC: Brooks saddles posted by Chris on 4/24/2003 at 2:57:37 PM
There is a date stamp on the metal underframe similar to the Sturmey- Archer hubs.
On some of the saddles anyways? This is a subject being explored and written about currently and when it's all polished and ready to go, we'll all see it. I have heard about this before but forget who was working on a detailed timeline. It was not me.






AGE / VALUE:   WOW BSA !! posted by: sam on 4/23/2003 at 12:53:23 AM
Not my auction,no relation to seller,http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2171437421&category=420







AGE / VALUE:   item#2171094188 Raleigh Superbe posted by: Chris on 4/22/2003 at 10:12:29 PM
E- bay item # 2171094188 Raleigh Superbe
( Not my auction, no relation to seller)
Oh, another faded beauty.
$78.10 and counting with 6 days
This is not including Shipping from merry ole England keep in mind.
Take another look at the rear mudguard.
Missing a pie plate, and perhaps another "bit" or two?
It does have a dyno- three or is it dyno four?
Anyways, 78.00?
Silly season again?
The chrome from this point in time was very good, but it didn't stay good too much longer.
The plating should clean up without much pitting.
I have cleaned these cranks from 1955 and they come out marvelous.
The cotter pins will come out without bending. Still hard steel cotter pins. A little oil, soak it and let it set overnight. Should come right out. The rusted and faded chaincases usually have intact decals and they look romantic and alluring all faded with that intracate gold cursive Raleigh script. The enclosed chaincase's always have allure.
Still, rust is rust. Please, let there not be old batteries still in that battery tube!
I have found these bikes in this shape and overhauled them anyways. Installing new bottom bracket cups and everything and they get shoved back out into the daylight and are seen gliding along the streets. I love doing this.
Ah, sorry no, it runs like a dream. Parts? No problem! Look at him go ma!
Still, the sight of it all rusted and faded does bother me. These look better hung up on a wall in this shape. I'm weary of seeing things after the lustre is long gone.
I'm tired of getting to the party too late or not at all. I want to see these all dripping in lusterous black with brilliant gold and red box lining and gleaming chrome. As it was back in the day. I want to take it out and experience it in my time while the lustre is still there. To get to taste or see the past glory and then not get to have a go with that really bites. Come on, lets dance here! A new body but with the old spirit. Instead I always make it's aquaintence by heading off the funeral truck that comes for it, or not at all.
The new bikes? I don't care to dance with! I see those at the kerb all the time and those I won't even take a second look at. Truth is, it got very late and I didn't show until now. Yes, this could be restored. It is a locking fork model. Get it running again, show it off. I call these bikes in this shape,Zombie bikes. They are able to go on, going back and forth to the sugar cane field long after they're dead. Dead only in appearence wise, still a popular commuter bike! You can hop it up too with alloy rims, handlebars, lighter fenders, add a rack, install a modern halogen bulb in the old light. It has potental.
I'm spoiled I guess. I have seen too many sleeping beauties,and on occaison I've been able to be the one to awaken them and bring them home. This one bike of mine was walled up behind a stair well in an old shop. The box had rotted, tires were wormy, rims were rusted. But it was all wrapped up and still was brand new! Beautiful blue- green( Robin's egg blue) paint. The rims gave me fits to replace, they are 26 x 1 1/4. I replaced them with identical N.O.S. ones. I put it back exactly as it was. Those were a different pattern rims mind you. The rims on this e- bay bike are a different pattern and are tough and well plated and clean up wonderfully unless they sat too long in damp conditions. These rims should be good unless they were out kissing kerbs. Keep in mind this is not a 531 "club bike". Those are the ones to be looking out for. Those are special!
$78.10 for this? Well, it's encouraging. I haven't picked one of these for free in a long time. At this price it'll have to be a keeper.


   RE:AGE / VALUE: item#2171094188 Raleigh Superbe posted by P.C. Kohler on 4/23/2003 at 12:28:19 AM
I have purchased three machines on eBay from England; generally they are cheaper and a lot rarer than what's offered in North America.

But, at the risk of crowing and best not until I actually take delivery of her, I bought a 1949 Raleigh Lenton Sports in complete original condition on eBay (USA) last week. Cost: $92.

Everyone was distracted by that 1937 Raleigh Roadster!! YESSS!!!!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: item#2171094188 Raleigh Superbe posted by Tim on 4/23/2003 at 12:45:33 PM
Superbes are not rare in the UK as this seller in Taunton says. He should get out more. Of all the machines I get offered here in the UK, these are the most common. I have four like this but in much better condition.

Regards

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   item#2171094188 Raleigh Superbe posted by Matthew on 4/23/2003 at 9:36:25 PM
With no wish to sound glib. There are plenty of these machines still about in everyday use here in the UK and this is not rare or one of the best. My '54 superbe cost £10, 2 years ago has four speed and dyno hub, stainless steel rims, Brooks saddle and (battery)accumulator tube. Its complete and is often ridden by my 72 year old Dad.
Superbe!
I doubt the advertised model is worth shipping to the US of A, unless you are desperate.

Keep upright and to the right.

Matthew

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   item#2171094188 Raleigh Superbe posted by Mike on 4/25/2003 at 12:26:04 PM
What's that thing on the seatstay, just below the taillamp?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   item#2171094188 Raleigh Superbe posted by Tim on 4/25/2003 at 12:45:20 PM
That is a godawful Eveready battery powered plastic tail lamp. Why it was fitted I don't know as there is a DBU lighting set on this bike.

Cheers