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Archived: English Roadsters







AGE / VALUE:   Dayton Cycle Co. LTD posted by: sam on 5/5/2003 at 10:12:39 PM
Got the catalog,now I want A british Dayton.Gents model 28" wheels with S/A 3speed and oil bath guard.Or the cyclo Hawk with Cyclo star 3-speed gear.What color would I order---royal blue/silver panel---light blue/red panel---RED/GOLD PANEL!!!orange/black panel--gray/red panel--green/silver panel---or yellow/blue panel .Maybe I'd save for the Continental Snipe with 531 double butted tubing,531 stays,531 Dayton shock-asorbing forks.Darn,this catalog is over 50 years old---sam


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dayton Cycle Co. LTD posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/6/2003 at 12:56:03 AM
Huh? Is someone making a NEW 28" Roadster????? DO THEY HAVE A WEBSITE???????

If they are... well... my colour of choice would of course be.... BLACK!

Later!!!

BOneman

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Dayton Cycle Co. LTD posted by Chris on 5/7/2003 at 5:28:22 PM
He was looking at a old catalog and found it interesting that such a nice machine was made way back then and that they offered such a wide variety of colors.
He's wishing he could have one today as many of us would also.
Unfortuinitly,there is hardle a trace left today and the bikes he's looking at along with the factory and everything else is long gone. Perhaps he'll find one of these bikes out there someplace but it'll likely need a overhaul and refurbishment/re-building.
Yes, the old catalogs are glorious.

I hope Sam finds on the of these bikes in his searching.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Dayton Cycle Co. LTD posted by Lary "Boneman" Bone on 5/8/2003 at 12:32:59 AM
Oh.... You have NO clue how many towels I have had to wash this week.... DROOLING towels...... ('_^)

Later!!!!

Boneman






AGE / VALUE:   1950 Armstrong club(?) machine posted by: Geoff Rogers on 5/5/2003 at 8:46:02 PM
I just found another old British black machine in the metal pile at the local transfer station. There was no saddle and a guy was removing the "ARMSTRONG" crank and chainring, because it was cool, he thought. He was right. I asked him if he wanted the rest of the machine, and he said it was all mine if I wanted it.
Since I needed a pair of Phillips-style fenders at the time, I took him up on his kind offer and carried it off. Scurvy, brush-painted, with missing parts, and I need some bits off this machine, plus I have way too many already, so I opted to harvest the useful bits. When I was dismantling it, however, I began to suspect that it was not an ordinary roadster. To begin with, the rims are 26 X 1-1/4 EA.1 rims, like my old R-R-A. Under the black paint, it's pale greenish-silver. Otherwise, it's pretty ordinary (pardon the bicycle pun), though. I wonder if the fenders were added later? They appear to have always been black.
The bike is clearly a Phillips/TI cycle. The AW hub is a normal steel shell, dated "2-50".
Anybody know if this is special enough to save? I have taken it to bits, but I still have all those bits.
Geoff Rogers


   RE:AGE / VALUE: 1950 Armstrong club(?) machine posted by Martin H on 5/6/2003 at 4:15:09 PM
You can find more info on Armstrong club bikes (namely the Armstrong Moth) at:
http://genetics.mgh.harvard.edu/'hanczyc/moth.html
That's a tilde in front of 'hanczyc'

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1950 Armstrong club(?) machine posted by paul nisula on 5/6/2003 at 12:32:37 AM
Geoff: How are you? Save and restore that bicycle, it is somewhat rare in my opinion. Good luck! If you decide to part with it, let me know whether it 19, 21, or 23 inch size. Thanks, Paul in Eastern MA

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1950 Armstrong club(?) machine posted by sam on 5/7/2003 at 7:17:38 PM
If it had the armstrong crank , my guess is it's not a club bike.With the 1&1/4"wheels they were called "light roadester" in the old Dayton catalog I found.Standard steel frame.






AGE / VALUE:   1950 Armstrong club(?) machine posted by: Geoff Rogers on 5/5/2003 at 8:46:02 PM
I just found another old British black machine in the metal pile at the local transfer station. There was no saddle and a guy was removing the "ARMSTRONG" crank and chainring, because it was cool, he thought. He was right. I asked him if he wanted the rest of the machine, and he said it was all mine if I wanted it.
Since I needed a pair of Phillips-style fenders at the time, I took him up on his kind offer and carried it off. Scurvy, brush-painted, with missing parts, and I need some bits off this machine, plus I have way too many already, so I opted to harvest the useful bits. When I was dismantling it, however, I began to suspect that it was not an ordinary roadster. To begin with, the rims are 26 X 1-1/4 EA.1 rims, like my old R-R-A. Under the black paint, it's pale greenish-silver. Otherwise, it's pretty ordinary (pardon the bicycle pun), though. I wonder if the fenders were added later? They appear to have always been black.
The bike is clearly a Phillips/TI cycle. The AW hub is a normal steel shell, dated "2-50".
Anybody know if this is special enough to save? I have taken it to bits, but I still have all those bits.
Geoff Rogers







AGE / VALUE:   Tirumph with ROD BRAKES posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/4/2003 at 1:28:40 PM
Not my auction, no affiliation with sellor.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3606530112&category=42314

Interesting bike. Though a bit pricey with a $200 reserve.

Later!!!

Boneman







AGE / VALUE:   Another "Rescued" Roadster posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/4/2003 at 4:56:14 AM
One of those days... I just KNEW I was gonna find somthing.... and there it was... at of all places, the Salvation Army in Binghamton, NY.

A 1973 Phillips no less. Paint is in outstanding condition up to and inclusive of the gold "box" lines! Of course, being of that vintage, the chrome on the rims have some pretty rough spots.... but for $5, well.... into the truck she went!!!

Later!!!

BOneman


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Another posted by Fred on 5/6/2003 at 8:57:01 AM
Larry: you must have put the whammy on the girls at the Salvation Army store to get a bike for $5. I live near Binghamton and have found several gems at the S/A outlets but not at that price. A couple of times I have found some minor flaw in the bike and dickered them down, but usually they stonewall me. I can't complain though, my last find was a near mint Schwinn Premis-the price; $27.50

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Another posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/8/2003 at 12:35:00 AM
Well... actually, it was the fellas in the back that take the money for all of the "Manly" stuff....

Just finished cleanin' up one of the Ladies Sports that I have. A 1973 with exceptional paint and 3-speed coaster brake. VERY NICE.

I gotta try that electrolysis rust removal procedure on the wheels...

Later!!!

Boneman






MISC:   Humber Bikes...... posted by: Fred A on 5/4/2003 at 3:53:38 AM
Does anyone out there know when the last Humber bikes were built? I have the opportunity to purchase a woman's bike for a very low price. As far as year goes, the 3-speed Sturmey Archer hub doesn't have the date on it (at least I don't see it) but it looks to be a later one. Brooks saddle, saddle bag, brown color bike. Dual handbrakes. All decals intact and in great shape, including the one at the bottom of the seatpost that states "Made In Ireland". Headbadge is metal. Bike shifts smoothly. No dents at all. Asking price? $15. Yes, I will buy it. The saddle alone justifys the price! The owner wasn't there today otherwise it would be in my house right now.


   RE:MISC: Humber Bikes...... posted by P.C.Kohler on 5/4/2003 at 4:14:43 AM
Good question! I believe the last Humber and Rudge branded bikes imported into North America were c. 1972. The last time the Rudge name was used I think was to test market the first Choppers.

Of course, by the early 70s, "branded" was about it: the only difference were the transfers but the Rudge fork crown remained at least. Chainwheels etc. were the same. And colours too; just like the all too familiar "coffee" of your bike!

But at $15... well no decision, eh?!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:MISC: Humber Bikes...... posted by Fred A on 5/4/2003 at 1:10:26 PM
Hi P.C.

In an earlier Post, someone mentioned how the earlier Raleigh bikes had superior chrome. Well, the wheels on this Humber are what first tipped me off to the age. The rims, upon close inspection, were pitted and the chrome appeared to be slightly lifting in small areas.
On the other hand........I have a 1954 Raleigh Sports (a woman's in black...can't seem to find a man's!!))with wheels that I thought were to rusty to really clean. But, WOW!, it all came off with some elbow grease and they look like new. Only Schwinn chrome on many other bikes I own could have cleaned up this well. I can't wait for the detailing to begin!!!! Tomorrow seems like such a long way off when you're waiting to pick up a new toy!

Fred A

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Humber Bikes...... posted by P.C. Kohler on 5/5/2003 at 3:18:58 AM
Same thing with my 1949 Raleigh Clubman: when I unpacked it, I thought "hmmm, the chrome is a bit gone" but with copper wool and Simichrome, it just came back beautifully. There's nothing to match the heavy Rhodesian chrome of this era. And with the Club bikes, the added bonus of that wonderful detachable chain ring with the herons.

P.C. Kohler






AGE / VALUE:   Ten minutes after I pull away the truck you are going to awake feeling refreshed! posted by: Chris on 5/3/2003 at 8:36:48 PM
Maybe hypnosis will work on these people! I have to drum up and use some new agressive techniques!
Swinging a gold pocket watch back and forth I speak in a soft, reassuring, measured, tone that makes them highly succeptable to my will.
" You are deciding to open up the tool cabinet drawers and sell me you collection of old, vintage bicycle tools"
"You are going to let me buy them for whatever price I suggest to you"
" You are going to let me have full run of the place and allow me to buy anything I want."
"The Sunbeam roadster your grandfather left you in his will, you hate it and want me to take it away off your hands."
Think it'll work?







AGE / VALUE:   7-UP All Steel Bicycle... posted by: Jesse on 5/3/2003 at 5:20:53 PM
I have a 7-Up (pressed head badge and original decals) English Roadster 28 inch wheels, bolt on seat stays, fully enclosed chaincase, cotterpin cranks, full length guards (white tiped rear), rod brakes, Raleigh hubs, Black paint with quite nice red and gold pin striping. Below head badge and elsewhere on the frame it has the words...The All Steel Bicycle...The fitting all seem of good quality (H.S, B.B. bar/stem-brazed and brakes) Theres a serial number on the LHS of the seat/top tube lug that runs down it: 2805HC
This is an old, original bike, ie, the paint, pinstriping and decals all appear to be in old but original condition.
Can anyone give me any clues in regards to where and when this old roadster was made??
I need some appropriate replacement brake pads/holders (new) and the rear elbow of the chaincase is missing...Any tips??
Oh yeah, I live in Melbourne, Australia
Jesse







MISC:   question??????????? posted by: ron on 5/3/2003 at 5:28:38 PM
can you just buy the leather skin for a brooks saddle?


   RE:MISC:   question??????????? posted by Mark R. on 5/3/2003 at 10:46:46 PM
Ron,
Look on their web site, they used to supply all parts for the saddles including the leather.

   RE:RE:MISC:   question??????????? posted by Tim on 5/4/2003 at 12:29:34 AM
The leather is the one part they will not sell. Get some sole leather from atannery and a few copper rivets and recover it yourself.
Cheers






AGE / VALUE:   very pretty posted by: Brian on 5/3/2003 at 11:44:55 AM
Look at the closeup picture of the tire/rim, and notice the spoke head & rim area - signs of surface rust? This will no doubt cleanup just fine. Does this reflect on the previous owner(s) neglect in other areas of maintenance as well? I have a roadster with rims/spoke heads at least twenty years older without these signs of rust. This also makes me question the quality of the plating on the later model Raleighs. There is little doubt in my mind that pre-sixties UK roadster's were better finished, although any steel bike will undoubtedly rust faster through owner neglect.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   very pretty posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/4/2003 at 4:55:30 AM
Actually, regarding the chrome issue... methinks it was changed bigtime on or about 1970. All of the pre-70 bikes I have... the chrome is in MUCH better shape than the later models. Of course, a lot would depend on storage, usage and all that... but it seems to be the case.

Later!!!

Boneman






MISC:   Secret info! posted by: Edward in Vancouver on 5/3/2003 at 3:54:16 AM
Allright, someone's holding out top secret info on me. I'm painfully witnessing all those decals I mounted on my Superbe flake off. I lovingly applied 4 coats of hobbyists outdoor varnish to them last year with a fine brush. It's not the cost or the bother of getting new decals that irks me, but what exactly is the right type of varnish to use? My frame has been powder coated, but not clear coated, I let the decals dry over a week before the first coat of varnish. What am I doing wrong?


   RE:MISC:   Secret info! posted by Oscar on 5/3/2003 at 4:05:30 AM
I hear that one downfall of powdercoating is that decals won't stick to the finish.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Secret info! posted by sam on 5/3/2003 at 12:14:32 PM
I think Oscar's right.Mark Smith of Bunch o Bikes was enlighting us to the advantages and dis-advantages of PC.You might try contacting Mark and talk the problem over with him.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Secret info! posted by Chris on 5/3/2003 at 9:00:00 PM
So are you saying no powdercoated bikes wear decals? There must be a way.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Secret info! posted by Oscar on 5/4/2003 at 12:36:34 AM
I'm saying that they don't wear decals for long. At least water slide decals. Maybe adhesive vinyl.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Secret info! posted by Edward in Vancouver on 5/5/2003 at 1:42:46 AM
Oh..., well, anybody got Mark's address handy?






AGE / VALUE:   VERY pretty!!!! posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/3/2003 at 2:15:12 AM
NMA and not related to seller....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3606814737&category=2904

This one has me DROOLING!!!!!! Gotta be fairly "new"... unless a previous owner added all them silly reflectors...

Oh well... maybe if the bidding does not go too high, I will have a crack at it.... (yeah.. .keep dreaming).

Later!!!!

Boneman


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   VERY pretty!!!! posted by David on 5/3/2003 at 3:54:42 AM
Those silly reflectors definitely mean newer production. Note also the lack of the white panel on the mudguard, the new SA trigger w/black plastic, the "TI" trademark, the lack of a proper rear reflector, the new-style Raleigh lettering, etc.

Can those pedals have their cones adjusted? Do you remove the nuts holding the rubber blocks in and take the whole outer end off?

It's funny how excited we all get over what was, for decades, Raleigh's basic model.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   VERY pretty!!!! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/3/2003 at 11:28:46 AM
Some excellent points David. I had noticed the missing white panel as well. I have two 1978 Sports that are not only sans panel, but have very odd, yet original tall and rectangular reflectors. Oddly enough though, the one pictured has a full chaincase. I know of two ladies frame DL-1's in a shop that I frequent that I dated for the owner as having been mfg'd in 1971 and neither of them have the full case. Makes for interesting speculation.

As far as being the "basic" model... well... so be it. I will take "basic" over the torture-machine contortionist bicycles of today!

Cheers!

Boneman

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   VERY pretty!!!! posted by ron the blacksheep of oldroads on 5/3/2003 at 12:15:10 PM
You guys are enthusiasts I appreciate all that you have say about once so common roadster, I feel the same as you do in regards to this machine, boneman do you have pictures on a database, how many bike do you own, it seems that you have quite a few, I have a few myself all older.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   VERY pretty!!!! posted by Mark R. on 5/3/2003 at 10:50:41 PM
Mine is the same vintage, same condition, but with 24 in. frame. Newer or not, it's a fine bike. I hope you get it, you'll love it.






AGE / VALUE:   Stinky, sweaty, close, coughing rummage sale adventure posted by: Chris on 5/2/2003 at 5:19:05 PM
Same sale as last year. This year I spotted a bike with a white tip rear mudgaurd and homed in on it.
I first thought I was seeing a Rudge with the hand and the red lettering but as I got closer it turned into a J.C. Higgans! Ugh! Lettered crank, front rack, mens black J.C. Higgans three speed hub with the grooves.
Hey, it was 5.00 and rolls along rather nice, but it is rather crappy. It was the only 3 speed there and so I took it. The rest of the time we were all packed in together like sardines and this lady was coughing a deep bronchial cough and didn't cover her mouth. Babies in strollers pushed by ladies really slowly, old folks with walkers, a huge line descends into this church slowly. I have seen other things snatched away from me because I couldn't get to it quick enough and that bites. Not this year. Kids crying because the adults are grabbing the toys off the table. Collectors in there looming over the table. It was hot and sweaty and I stayed until I could not stand it another minute and then I headed for the door and about 2 minutes later I was free. I hopped on the bike and the seat slipped nearly dumping me off and I was in the spring air again. Was this sale picked over by folks before the doors opened up? Not that I can tell.
The Higgans has these nice grips , but still as I wheeled it away I told myself that: "You'll buy anything!"


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Didn't say it, but I thought it! posted by Chris on 5/2/2003 at 5:48:10 PM
I see a sign and it takes me down this long road and it goes on and on and then a sign that points to another street and that winds around and then up the hill and down the hill and back around and there it is.
A table with about 5 articles of baby clothes and an old exercise video. I look about and my eye starts to twitch. I smile and say: "Have a nice day!" as I always do.
I wanted to say: Is this all you have?????
I drove all this way for this? Are you crazy? Men with trucks, people of every description, a whole pack of folks walking up the tarred driveway and this is why we have all be re- routed and summoned? I pull away trying to remember how to get back out of the subdivision cul- de sac and back onto the main road.
What's worse and really unforgivable is when you do all the driving and here the lousy sale is over with and they didn't take down their signs. Both eyes twitch then!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Didn't say it, but I thought it! posted by Jeff R on 5/2/2003 at 8:34:11 PM
People who have yard sales and don't take the signs down afterwards are inconsiderate and as bad as litterbugs.






AGE / VALUE:   Mine are all cut into, marred posted by: Chris on 5/2/2003 at 5:14:03 PM
Item # 2172961866 G.B. handlebars

These are at 30 something already and are in good shape and will polish up well.
Not my auction no relation to seller.
The set I picked up the other day off of the curb picked Gitanne are this same type G.B. handlebar but mine are cut up from the handlebar stem. Almost cut through and not a mere scratch. Oh well, I have an Ideale seat and other bits and the whole thing was free but still I say, Curses!







AGE / VALUE:   Neat board game posted by: Chris on 5/2/2003 at 5:09:38 PM
item# 2172927110
Rare pre- war 1920's Wheeling cycle game

Perfect for a rainy spring day. Invite a few friends over and play "Wheeling"

Never saw this game before!
Not my auction, no relation to seller.