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Archived: English Roadsters







MISC:   I Want One of These! posted by: P.C. Kohler on 7/2/2003 at 1:55:45 AM
Oh we think we're so clever with bikes nowadays.. all alloy or carbon fibre this and that and those weird blue and yellow tyres...

From the 1938 Rudge-Whitworth catalogue:

No. 76 "Olympic-Aero"

Reynolds 531 tubing, 21" or 23"
Hiduminium Bailey bend handlebar, seat pillar and wingnuts
Resilient racing front fork
Constrictor Conloy rims (27" or 26")
Airlite hubs
Patented Rudge caliper centre-pull brakes (wonderful!)
Celluloid mudguards
Brooks Champion saddle with alloy undercarriage (worth an absolute bomb today)
Finished in black, blue, maroon or ivory enamel or blue, red, orange or green translucent lacquer
Price: £13.5.0

Add a Sturmey-Archer close ratio AR hub and this mount would beat 95 per cent of the machines sold today.

Oh, this machine, British-designed and British-built 65 years ago, weighed..... TWENTY POUNDS!

Genius. Sheer genius. From the good folks in Coventry, England.

I'll have one in 23" frame, AR 25/3 ultra-close ratio hub and in Rudge maroon please.

P.C. Kohler


   RE:MISC:   I Want One of These! posted by Chris on 7/2/2003 at 8:26:36 PM
Cycle catalogs are not the only thing to knock ones socks off!
I discovered the boxes of vinatge car literature. One rainy saturday morning, I sat and looked thru it all.
Totally speechless after a few moments!

The Cadillacs and Lincolns! Long, black and magical. The men in tuxs and dinner jackets and the ladies in marvelous dresses and hair and my God,
How things have changed!
Like with the bikes. The cars are just a shadow today of what it once was.

Sitting in ther backseat of a Cadillac one felt like you were in a cradle and being gently rocked.
I cannot describe it. One had to be there and experience it.
You already know that this stuff is out there sitting unused and forgotten and waiting for you to find it in the shed and I hope that you do find it.
The old catalogs are wonderful and are invaluable.






MISC:   shameless plug posted by: geo on 7/2/2003 at 1:57:05 AM
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or
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AGE / VALUE:    $50.00 for a old cycle bell! Wow! posted by: Chris on 7/1/2003 at 11:33:23 PM
This was for a genuine, old, Lucas bell in the box. Rare in this condition. Difficul to find outside of E- bay.

Still, $50.00 for ONE bell!
E- bay item 2179257906 (completed auction) Lucas bell


   RE:AGE / VALUE:    $50.00 for a old cycle bell! Wow! posted by steve on 7/2/2003 at 3:06:18 PM
A few weeks back, a pair of alloy (no plastic) Mafac "Guidonnet" brake levers went for $127.50 on eBay. (These are the ones that mount under the center bars, with one-piece levers that curve forward under the bars like "safety" levers, but are much more positive in action.) The bidding left me behind in the dust - but I appreciated even more the pair I found back in February for $10.00 at a swap meet!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    $50.00 for a old cycle bell! Wow! posted by David Poston on 7/3/2003 at 5:32:31 PM
Yes, Chris, that was me. 80% percent of my parts are from this guy in Cyprus. He ships promptly, and his descriptions are always true and honest. I've bought other so-called "new" bells, but none of 'em ring like these NOS Lucas Challis bells.

David

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    $50.00 for a old cycle bell! Wow! posted by Chris on 7/3/2003 at 10:43:18 PM
I love this seller in Cypress. He has all the goodies!






AGE / VALUE:   One day, they'll be able to do this! posted by: Chris on 7/1/2003 at 10:52:39 PM
Download all the life experience and knowledge and human consciousness itself onto a microchip. This way, people would keep on living forever on the internet. Think of all the old school bike mechanics and sales people and industry figures that could answer questions and teach.
24 hours a day, seven days a week! Forever!
What an invaluable resource it would be!

I was watching Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker.
It is very, very good and I wish they would do more of them.








AGE / VALUE:   Add to shopping list for time travel trip. 1960 Brampton Spindle posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 7/1/2003 at 10:16:21 PM
There are many different bottombracket spindles.
Each maker had many different lengths depending on what model bike of theirs you owned.
This original Hercules is a particular odd length one and after the plunge and soaking it took, I pulled it up and after a few good brushings with the steel wool guess what I found?

A pitting spot! AIIIIIEEEEHHHHH!!
Now I can't put this back into the bike.Well I could, but you are not supposed to!
Now even I don't have every spindle ever made even though I have tried to do just that! I ran around trying to match and see every spindle in the stash and guess what??

I don't have it, and that bites. It's all re- assembled and I'll keep looking for a spindle.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Add to shopping list for time travel trip. 1960 Brampton Spindle posted by Warren on 7/2/2003 at 1:48:34 AM
Christopher...how are we going to help you without more info? Markings on the axle? Exact measurements? I know shop with a pile of NOS english axles...

BTW, I'd have no problem reusing it till I found a new one...you're only going to distort a few bearings after a few hundred miles.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Add to shopping list for time travel trip. 1960 Brampton Spindle posted by Mark R. on 7/2/2003 at 6:17:56 PM
Christopher, a good machine shop with proper grinding equiptment can lightly grind the finish on that spindle bearing race and restore it to road worthy-ness. You're technically not supposed to do so, however I've had it done before (an expesive Campagnolo unit) and it worked well for years. In fact I think I'm still using it. Anyway, yeah "technically" it's not supposed to be the right thing to do, but heck it's being used on a relatively slow turning part, so I'd do it. At the very least it'll keep you going 'till you can replace it with a new one.
Cheerio old man!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Add to shopping list for time travel trip. 1960 Brampton Spindle posted by Chris on 7/2/2003 at 7:45:19 PM
I'll get you the marking information and pay you well for another spindle!
I forgot to mention how delighted I am every time I remove a fixed cup like the type this one has. I used a large crescent wrench and off it came. I held the fixed cup there in my hand and stared at it. Then the adjustible cup with the ring. This is 24 T.P.I. bottombracket stuff and the cups are not difficult to find. Some of this is borrowed from B.M.X. stuff. The shop I hung out in had B.M.X. stuff and I was able to find out that some of that fits my purposes.
Not like the Raleigh fixed cups!

The bike looks beautiful again and I am surprised.The crud washed off of the paintwork. I added a rear rack, re-built original pedals, a light kit. added reflectors, switched the kickstand. The headset turns like a dream with all those tiny 1/8 bearings in there.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Add to shopping list for time travel trip. 1960 Brampton Spindle posted by Chris on 7/2/2003 at 7:46:16 PM
Thanks Mark!






AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh DL-1 posted by: Michael Walsh on 7/1/2003 at 6:47:48 PM
Anybody there that can suggest awailability source for 28 inch tires and tubes? brake shoes? Please advise. Thank you.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh DL-1 posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 7/1/2003 at 10:15:18 PM
New tubes that fit the 700 C wheels are on the bike shop shelf.
Presta valve tubes which are a better valve than what originally came in the bike.
Take the old tube into the shop and find a tube that covers the 40-635 range.
The tires will not likely be at the shop nor will the brake pads.
If you convert up to Presta valves you will need an Presta valve adaptor and these are small brass or silverish colored thingie that screw onto the Presta valve tube. Don't forget it.

Sheldonbrown.com (Harris bikes)
For 28 X 1 1/2 tires and Raleigh rod brake pads. The sh- 70 Fibrax or the Fibrax Raincheater pads with the Chrome leather inserts.( Note: These are no longer available from Fibrax, not the Raincheater pads however they do have the Raleigh Rod brake pads still)
Where else can he get tires and tubes and pads, guys?

Have you seen P.C. Kohlers Roll Britannia? It is a Yahoo Group site and it rocks!

Print out the diagram sheet that covers this bike!

   RIGHT HERE! posted by Kim on 7/3/2003 at 12:00:38 PM
They sell rod brake pads and 28 inch tires and tubes right here on this site!






MISC:   Burger 3 speed bike? posted by: Joe on 7/1/2003 at 5:33:27 AM
Hi,
I picked up another bike this afternoon, it's a complete "Burger" 3 speed, it's a 21" frame, has an S/A 3 speed type hub in rear (definitely not a Sachs), 26 x 1 3/8" tires, it is solid black with some fancy gold graphics (Scroll work) around the logo on the seat tube and chainguard, and the model is "Sport" it looks sort of like a copy of a 60's Raleigh Sports but by the name I am assuming it is made in Germany or Austria? I haven't heard of this brand before and have not been able to find any info on line on these. The bike is in fairly good condition, I would say a 7 on a scale of 1 to 10 mostly just need a good cleaning and relube from sitting). (I pumped up the tires and oiled the chain and was able to test ride it.) The chaingaurd is much larger than that of a Raleigh, it covers more of the chain depth wise. The geometry of the frame is very different from a Raleigh or any others I have seen, the seat post tube and the headset are laid back on a much greater angle than a Raleigh or any others, not by a little but a lot. (If you compare the angle of the seatpost as it leaves the bottom bracket to the hands on a clock, a Raleigh's post ends up at about 11:15, the Burger's is about at about 9:45 or so.) The headtube angle looks to match the seatpost. The fact that it was so complete and fairly clean is what caught my eye, I noticed the frame angles when I sat next to my 60's Robin Hood.
There is still a leather hub shiner on the rear hub and I will have to remove it to date the hub, it looks like a S/A but the oil hole is all the way to the sprocket side, the shifter is S/A, the brake calipers and levers look like copys of those found on a Raleigh (chrome steel), and the fenders and white rear half with the Burger emblem in the rear also mimick Raleigh. The fenders are almost identical to a Raleigh but with a narrower center bead. There is no sign of a "Made In ......" anywhere, the headbadge is brass and only says "Burger" in a ribbon design acrossed the badge, the logo is oval with many details and small figures about it. The handlebars are the typical North road style, the grips are white with a "B" logo on top, The stem looks to be a copy of the common Raleigh stem, the fork crown is cast or forged, with the Burger name embossed on the top of each side. It has a generator set that clamps on the rear seat stays and has the same logo as the handgrips, the headlight mounts on the same type of bracket off of the headset like an early Raleigh. The rear wheel is 36 spoke and the front is 32 also.
If anyone has any info on these bikes, I am very interested in finding out more about them.
Thanks,
Joe


   RE:MISC:   Burger 3 speed bike? posted by Chris on 7/1/2003 at 11:39:25 PM
I assume it is a Raleigh or Phillips clone with a stupid name. Many of the copy or knock off's had strange names.

   RE:MISC:   Burger 3 speed bike? posted by Ed on 7/2/2003 at 3:46:02 PM
I have heard that Raleigh would put whatever name the customer requested on the bike so long as the order was large enough. Don't know whether or not this is true but maybe some of you have also heard this.

   RE:RE:MISC: Burger 3 speed bike? posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/2/2003 at 8:32:51 PM
Hmmm.. don't know about that. I think Raleigh were pretty jealous of their reputation and I have a good hunch few of these "English racer" clones came from Nottingham. CWS, Cycle Wholesalers, were the biggest "you provide the headbadge, we'll build the bike" outfit and a lot of what you see out there are from them. They were bottom of the range bikes, still better than a lot of stuff but the quality of the chrome plating and enamelling betrays them as NOT being Raleigh made. Raleigh did not maintain a separate "it's crap but cheap" production line to my knowledge. One sure way to spot a cheap English racer clone: they always have the most flamboyant and wonderful transfers imaginable: heraldry crests, intertwined Union Jacks and anything "Olde English" you can think of. The names of the bikes themselves were right of out a Miss Marple film. If it looks and sounds too English... beware. It's probably made in Hungary or India.

Poland made a lot of "looks like a Raleigh" bikes in the 1960s and early 1970s too. The chrome plating is, if anything, worse than CWS.

All this proves Raleigh's North American selling slogan in 1962 when my dad started shopping for my first "real" bike: "Only a Raleigh is REALLY a Raleigh"!

P.C. Kohler, who got a used Raleigh Sports in the end... still better than a "clone"!

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Burger 3 speed bike? posted by Joe on 7/3/2003 at 6:10:40 AM
Hi,
After some cleaning I see the badge says "Burgers" with an 's'. The chrome is excellent , the rear hub is a Brampton with no date code visable so far. I don't believe it was Raleigh made, but someone definetly tried to copy one. The idea of it being from Poland crossed my mind, as did Germany and Austria. I spoke with a friend in Germany who is an avid bike collector, and he had never heard the name Burgers before. The tires, which appear to be posibly original are made in Germany, they and the tubes are the same manufacturer. The odd frame angles are the dead give away as to it not being British. As is the Regular metric threading and the Black and White Messinger seat (which matches the frame color, solid black with a white rear fender end). The Burgers emblem is on the rear fender just like on a Raleigh.
I was just curious if there are many others with this Brand out there, I am sure it's a non Raleigh affiliated copy of a sports model but the quality is definetly there. It doesn't look like a cheap look a like, it is on par with a Raleigh in every way. I considered the posibility of it being a TI built bike from before the merger in 1960 as well, I have read that they built quite a few bikes of there own and for others back then, I guess it could be as old as the late 50's but I havn't been able to find a date yet.
I'll take a few pics of it soon and post them to a site so that everyone can get a look, along with a few others I am trying to ID and date.
Thanks,
Joe






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1960's ROLLFAST posted by: Kenneth B Guindon on 7/1/2003 at 2:11:18 AM
I'm having trouble getting info. about this bike, can anyone help?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1960's ROLLFAST posted by Willie L. on 7/1/2003 at 3:01:50 PM
Try the Balloon Tire and Middleweight posting area; someone there may have some information.






AGE / VALUE:   valve stem repair posted by: smity on 7/1/2003 at 1:11:22 AM
I just dicovered the quality and beuty of Raleigh 3 speed. I always thougt if it did not have a Carlton sticker on the seat tube it was junk. I just got a early 50s girls Lenton Sports that was striped and made into a "ten speed" . I am now trying to get it back the it was origanaly as much as posible . I have pair NOS Dunlop sprite inner tubes that apear to be perfect but the small peice of ruber tubeing in the valve dried out. Does anyone know how to repair this. What do you call this type of valve. I am not sure of the age because the rear is marked AW but when i over hauled the rear hube i discovered it was a 4 speed as the catologs show . The wheels apear to origanal they were on the bike before the striping .The hub is marked 51 . Were the origanal alloy shells prone to failure . I remember it allso had upright bars. It has wingnuts and 531 tubing . The #s on the frame do not match ser#s in the tables. Can anybody help on age. My brother inlaw thougt he was inproving the bike when he striped . Its dificult but i will forgive him for this horible act. Thanks Guys for any help. Smity


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   valve stem repair posted by sam on 7/1/2003 at 2:38:26 AM
There called Woods valves--peel off the small rubber tube.Replace it with another.I think you can get this size rubber tubing at a Dr. office.Tubing cost 10 cents--office visit cost $100.---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE: valve stem repair posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/1/2003 at 4:11:13 AM
Wow... just the machine I am looking for, for the wife. It's my contention it's better to get the distaff side hooked, even a bit, on this lunacy...

You have a 1951 Lenton Sports judging from the hub. The stock gear for this was an FM medium ratio four-speed with alloy sheel. But an FW wide ratio was also available. Nothing wrong with alloy shell hubs; they are superb! As were upright "comfort bars". Does this have the original celluloid mudguards? If so, even better as they are hard to fine. White plastic Bluemels would do as a replacement. Check the web site "Retro Raleighs" which has the complete 1951 Raleigh catalogue and all the specs on this machine. Nice find!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   valve stem repair posted by Chris on 7/1/2003 at 10:30:01 PM
Do a search for:
"Bob Reid's Flying Scot" and in there under links or is it articles? Anyways, there is an article( Ah, Ha!) called
Wood's Valves, descriptions and use.
Read all that!

Listen, The woods valves is original and unique and British and period correct but.... ( P.C. forgive me here) DUMP THE WOODS VALVES! They are a pain in the tail and better tubes are now with all of us!
Go with a Schrader (car type) or Presta valve. They are way better!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: valve stem repair posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/2/2003 at 12:17:20 AM
Chris, I am a charter member of "The I Hate Woods Valves With That Sodding Rubber Thingy"!!! I bought a dozen DL-1 tubes from Raleigh, Nottingham, in the early 1990s and thought I'd be clever and "correct" and specify Woods valves. A bloody period correct nightmare! Never again.

Getting tyres and tubes for 28" machines is EASY. Check out Harris Cyclery (USA) or St. John Cycles (UK); both have websites. Links are in Roll Britannia.

If you belong to the Veteran Cycle Club (UK) and you must-- I just joined finally-- there is a chap listing replica Dunlop Roadster tyres in 28".

Me, I want 26 x 1 1/4 Dunlop club tyres!

And NO Woods Valves....!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: valve stem repair posted by Edward in Vancouver on 7/2/2003 at 2:36:48 AM
'Fraid you've hit a passionate nerve here with Woods valves. But first I think congratulations are in order: You've been bit by the English roadster bug, and you are taking obvious pains to restore a nice bike back to it's original condition.

Actually there was a fellow from Malaysia who contributed on a similar thread about Wood's valves about a year ago. He said 28" roadsters were popular in Malaysian rubber plantations, and when the "little rubber thingee" (reminds me from a scene in Monty Python's "Meaning of life, but I digress...) wore out, they'd stuff a slug over the valve, and ride on for a few days. A renewable resource, I guess.

Did you ever wonder as a kid what that little piece of rubber tubing was for that was always included in tire repair kits? Yep, for re-fitting Wood's valves. One of life's mysteries had finally been solved for me--thirty years after asking it of course.

You can still use the same inner tube. Just unscrew the Woods valve from the stem and pop in a new valve. You can salvage the new valve from an old inner tube or get one from any auto supply store.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: valve stem repair posted by Edward in Vancouver on 7/2/2003 at 2:39:21 AM
'Fraid you've hit a passionate nerve here with Woods valves. But first I think congratulations are in order: You've been bit by the English roadster bug, and you are taking obvious pains to restore a nice bike back to it's original condition.

Actually there was a fellow from Malaysia who contributed on a similar thread about Wood's valves about a year ago. He said 28" roadsters were popular in Malaysian rubber plantations, and when the "little rubber thingee" (reminds me from a scene in Monty Python's "Meaning of life, but I digress...) wore out, they'd stuff a slug over the valve, and ride on for a few days. A renewable resource, I guess.

Did you ever wonder as a kid what that little piece of rubber tubing was for that was always included in tire repair kits? Yep, for re-fitting Wood's valves. One of life's mysteries had finally been solved for me--thirty years after asking it of course.

You can still use the same inner tube. Just unscrew the Woods valve from the stem and pop in a new valve. You can salvage the new valve from an old inner tube or get one from any auto supply store.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: valve stem repair posted by William Soon on 7/2/2003 at 12:34:35 PM
Hey Edward,you still remember my post??
Well,that was the norm in those rubber tree plantations back in the 50's and 60's.Heck,you're in the middle of a huge 'forest' and you had a bad tiny tube.No spare,so you got the next best thing - the readily available leeches in those damp estates.You just shoved them into the valve and you'd be whistling all the way home.(Provided you have the pump fitted to your bike).

But still,even nowadays,a lot of roadsters and sports running around are still using inner tubes with Woods valves. The tiny rubber tubing are readily available at all the bike shops here.
So,I guess Woods valves will be with us cyclists in Malaysia for quite some more years to come.

Regards,
William Soon,Malaysia.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: valve stem repair posted by Chris on 7/2/2003 at 7:49:12 PM
I feel better now that P.C. has agreed with me about the Woods valves!






WANTED:   Old Chainrings posted by: Tom on 7/1/2003 at 1:13:00 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2181902682&category=420&rd=1

Does anyone have any clues to what cranks are on these old racer/roadsters. Has anyone got any they would like to part with. I am building an old British path/track bike and would like a large chainring crank for the bike. All the ones I find are small. I may use a 1930's 2 speed Sturmey hub or a flip flop.


   RE:WANTED:   Old Chainrings posted by Warren on 7/1/2003 at 2:35:14 AM
BSA...you can see the B on the far right. Don't forget they had eqally big cogs...the gearing ended up being the same.

Big chainsets like this are rare and expensive...good luck. If you wanted to go inch pitch, I've got a 24 tooth, shopworn, slightly pitted but NOS 1937 Williams right crankarm if you're interested. A 6 1/2" left arm should be real easy to find...not '37 mind you.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Old Chainrings posted by Warren on 7/1/2003 at 2:37:16 AM
I think the second one in is Chater-Lea...equally nice and rare.

   RE:WANTED:   Old Chainrings posted by Smity on 7/1/2003 at 2:38:16 AM
Real men do not need 30 speeds. This picture is great.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Worth ten bucks ya think? posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/1/2003 at 12:58:58 AM
Well, my "Scrounge" friend in Newton (don't know what to call him... but he ALWAYS has stuff for sale outta his roadside garage)came up with something that I just might snag. It's a "Sears" bike. Piece of crap actually with one exception. SA wheels. 26 x 1 3/8 front and rear. The rear hub is three-speed with coaster brake. Dated 86 and it appears to be aluminium.

His asking price for this thing... and it IS a "Roadster" style bike... is ten bucks. Of course, he's had it a few days now... and just might take 5 for it.

Even at ten bucks... I suppose the SA stuff... wheels, shifer and cable... just might be worth it. Though I'm not lookin forward to the hacksaw work needed to dispose of the unwanted frame, etc.

Any thoughts folks?

Later!

Boneman







MISC:   GREAT ROADSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by: E-BAY on 6/30/2003 at 10:21:00 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3615826369&category=7298&rd=1


   RE:MISC:   GREAT ROADSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/1/2003 at 12:52:00 AM
Gah!!!! Got caught lookin' without my DROOLING towel again... what a slobbery MESS.

Seriously though, you're right. That is one awesome machine. Something tells me it will go for a pretty penny that's for sure.

Will be interesting to watch.

Later!

Boneman

   RE:MISC:   GREAT ROADSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by Matthew on 7/2/2003 at 6:28:14 PM
Those rims are stainless! What a lovely bike! Whose got the biggest bank balance? This one is a goodun and will set a new upper limit.
Matthew






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Question for you all posted by: Bryan Masone on 6/30/2003 at 8:01:35 PM
This weekend my brother found me a women's Raleigh 3 speed in the trash that we will probably use as a parts bike for all our other Raleighs. The SA hub appears to be a 1958. The bike is a beautiful light blue color with decal graphics that seem unfamiliar to my experience with 1960's era Raleighs. Did Raleigh make light blue bikes in 1958? I thought that back then it was only the black, coffee, and maybe green. It is definitely a Raleigh branded bike, not one of the affiliated brands names. The graphics look to me like they might be mid to late 1970's, but thats just my guess based on what I imagine 1970's graphics would look like. I have to check it out more when I get home today as I only haw it for a few minutes this morning. Is it possible to be a blue 1958? Thanks for your help!

-Bryan


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Question for you all posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/1/2003 at 12:56:10 AM
Bryan,
I have in my possession a 1961 Ladies Raleigh Colt that is a light turquoise kinda blue with white accents. The bike was obviously left outside for quite a time as the top surfaces are quite faded. The decals are much different than any of the Sports that I have and have seen as well. I wish the actual "Colt" decal on the top tube were in better shape as the graphics (a horses head) are quite impressive.

While the paint is in rough shape, doggone it, the CHROME is cleaning up beautifully. I sure wish some of my "newer" Raleighs cleaned up so nicely.

So, to address your question, perhaps yes, that is a colour that was offered that year.

Good luck with the "new" baby!

Later!

Boneman

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Raleigh Question for you all posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/1/2003 at 2:02:15 AM
The colour in question was called Sky Blue. In 1962 it was offered on the DL-22L (ladies Sports), DL-58L (girls Colt), DL-80L (girls Mountie) and DL-54L (girls Space Rider). White trim on all but the DL-22L, white-walled tyres (!) and except on the DL-22L, white saddle bag and white/blue saddle.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Question for you all posted by Bryan Masone on 7/2/2003 at 6:04:14 PM
Thanks for the info Larry and P.C. Upon closer examination I see the oil port on the bottom bracket, so it must be an older machine. Unfortunately no Colt graphic on the top tube or other identifying marking, but I am confident that its one of the models P.C. mentioned and not a Sports. Thanks!






AGE / VALUE:   Across america on a motor bicycle posted by: sam on 6/30/2003 at 4:46:27 PM
The 100 year old American Rodester frame gave out at the Pa./N.Y. line,over 2300 miles from San Francico.Rif missed a left turn,so he pulled in to the right at a truck stop,next thing he knew he was holding a set of handle bars! Frame broke in 3 pieces---tearing the down tube out of the head tube!He'll "truck it" into NYC for the finish---what a story---good ride ,Rif! ----sam







AGE / VALUE:   Alert, heads- up! posted by: Chris on 6/30/2003 at 3:55:34 PM
A rare document indeed.
Item #2180480108
1902 The three speed gear syndicate

Rare early leaflette.

Never seen this before on e- bay.