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Archived: English Roadsters







AGE / VALUE:   Take a Look and let me know posted by: GMS on 9/14/2003 at 2:16:37 PM
On this page is my old bike its an old phillips (http://granmastasplash.tripod.com/gms/id4.html)
I was wondering how old it was, pre 1960?? I just painted it and did alot of work on it. The before pictures and more info are on the bottom of this page (http://granmastasplash.tripod.com/gms/id1.html)I would have liked to restore it orgional, but with all the missing parts when I found it, I would have likely had to kill another rare bike to get what i needed. Take a look!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Take a Look and let me know posted by GMS on 9/15/2003 at 11:04:33 PM
Nobody knows?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Take a Look and let me know posted by Chris on 9/16/2003 at 12:38:57 AM
Let me look at it and answer you tomorrow.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Roadster posted by: Brian on 9/14/2003 at 12:51:01 PM
I'm selling my Raleigh project bike I cannot get to - ebay item # 3627022675. Pickup only for you NY/CT/NJ/western MA enthusiasts.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Roadster posted by GMS on 9/14/2003 at 2:15:51 PM
Thats a nice bike, but project? That looks in too good shape to bother with, even the chrome is clean!






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A nice find! posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/14/2003 at 12:17:06 PM
Had a bit of a dry spell fer a while there.... but yesterday, at one of my "sources", lo and behold... a 1968 LTD 3. Aside from the non-original gooseneck and handlebar, this bike is the best shape of any I have come across so far! So, I parted company with ten bucks and rolled her into the back of the truck. Very nice red colour and the gold pinstripes are all very much intact!

Later!

Boneman


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A nice find! posted by Bryan Masone on 9/14/2003 at 3:09:31 PM
Isn't it great what $10 can still buy in the bicycle world? For the price of a few gallons of gas...






AGE / VALUE:   A bit of interesting frame history posted by: sam on 9/14/2003 at 2:06:14 AM
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/'pattle/nacc/arc0324.htm


   RE:AGE / VALUE: Tilde Remark posted by Titlist on 9/14/2003 at 3:16:38 AM
This site is fantastic, I am only adding in, insert a tilde mark, for the ` in the web address before pattle in case some newbies are here. Fantastic article, looks like I have a passionate hobby for the rest of my life hopefully.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   A bit of interesting frame history posted by Ed on 9/14/2003 at 1:37:39 PM
Thanks Sam and Titlist: Just when I think I've seen and read about everything connected with our hobby the people who post here come up with something new,to me at least,and interesting.






MISC:   Ancona Sports 3-speed? posted by: Dorian Smith on 9/14/2003 at 1:49:35 AM
Today at a garage sale, I picked up an Ancona Sports ladies bike with a Sturmey-Archer 3-speed. The rear hub indicates it was made in 1972, but there is no label for a country of origin. Anybody know anything about this brand?


   RE:MISC:   Ancona Sports 3-speed? posted by GMS on 9/14/2003 at 2:40:22 PM
Sturmey-Archer is made in England, but that doesn't mean the rest of the bike came from there tho, but that sort of hub is found primaily on english bikes.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Ancona Sports 3-speed? posted by Chris on 9/14/2003 at 8:21:18 PM
That brand of hub went all over the world. Schwinn used them, almost any bike that was a 3 speed would have fitted that hub.

It is a good bet that the bike is from 1972.






WANTED:   raleigh 28 inch front fender posted by: ron on 9/14/2003 at 1:10:02 AM
WANTED 60's or 70's front raleigh 28 inch fender black in color, any info will help.

thanks
ron







MISC:   great bike, not raleigh posted by: Jimmy on 9/13/2003 at 1:13:59 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3626896161
It's nice to see great 3 speed examples other then raleigh. CCM sport, great bike, like its style, what do you think????


   RE:MISC: great bike, not raleigh posted by Warren on 9/13/2003 at 6:52:07 PM
The Continental was a nice bike with the rear dyno. The early 60's CCM's were still nice bikes, good chrome etc. Mine also had a twist grip...it was a 65. Sorry I sold it actually.

But $200 opening and a reserve? Cmon...

   RE:MISC:   great bike, not raleigh posted by David on 9/15/2003 at 10:55:28 PM
It DOES have a nice Lucas (?) bell and hub shiners! Notice the headlight bracket on TOP of the stem.






AGE / VALUE:   Domestic vs. foreign market for Raleigh posted by: David Poston on 9/13/2003 at 5:03:23 AM
How come Raleighs produced for the domestic market (UK)well into the 60s maintained rod brakes and full gearcases, while those sent for the US arrive in psychedelic colours and what-not? Were people in England just slower to move with the times, or was the US market just limited from the start to the standard Raleigh Sports and derailleur machines in the 70s?

For example,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3626681196&category=16170


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Domestic vs. foreign market for Raleigh posted by Drew on 9/13/2003 at 11:37:08 AM
No sure but maybe they had all the tooling so it was used where it would sell. Americans seem to expect modern updates stylish colors and Raleigh had to compete with Schwinn, Columbia which made pretty nice bikes, (not as classy but well made). Plus the USA had additional taxes on bikes above a certain weight, Rod brakes and full chain cases were heavy, my '74 DL1 w/Dynohub, lights, rear rack & large Brooks bag must weigh 45-50lbs. and it is not a fast stopper when you hit those rod brakes, but it does steal the show when put next to a 70's silver or bronze Sports model.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Domestic vs. foreign market for Raleigh posted by Ed on 9/14/2003 at 4:36:37 PM
I have been hearing for many years that Raleigh eliminated full chain cases on all exported bikes in the late sixties as a weight reduction measure thereby reducing shipping cost.I don't know the answer with regard to rod brakes possibly the same reason. When I see a Raleigh manfactured in the seventies or eighties equiped with a full chain case and rod brakes,as my eighty-one DL1 I just assume that it was bought in the UK and brought over by the person who owned it at the time.I can't say positively that this is true but it makes scence to me.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Domestic vs. foreign market for Raleigh posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/14/2003 at 11:09:08 PM
Actually this happened in September 1955 when the Eisenhower Administration finally caved to the incessant whining by Schwinn and other American manufacturers of kiddie bikes that the far superior British bicycles were becoming a threat.

The import duty was raised from 7 1/2 per cent to 11 1/4 on machines weighing less than 36 pounds and from 15 per cent to a whopping 22 1/2 per cent on anything heavier.

So it was c. 1955 that you begin to see enclosed gearcases deleted from American models. That catalogue (blue cover) that everyone has for Raleigh is 1954 by the way.

1955 marked the peak year for British cycle exports to the United States: 538,329 units out of a total of 2,252,375 exported. And the USA had become the biggest export market, something unheard of just a few years previously. In 1948 only 15,504 machines were exported to the USA! When the new tariffs took hold, the effect was dramatic: in 1956, only 266,108 bicycles came in.

For the collector, it's obvious: 1948, 1949 and 1950 are rare years for British bikes in the USA but we see gobs and gobs of machines c. 1952-55.

P.C. Kohler, with two '48s, two '49s and three '51s






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Identifying a 531 posted by: Beth on 9/13/2003 at 3:19:49 AM
Hi All,
How does one identify a Reynolds 531 frame for a roadster? And how can I find out more about frame designs for a particluar bike maker? Any input is a great help.
Thanks!







AGE / VALUE:   A real nice sports on Ebay posted by: Bryan on 9/12/2003 at 10:11:59 PM
3626702524

pick up only near Washington DC. Not my auction, no relation to seller.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   A real nice sports on Ebay posted by David Poston on 9/13/2003 at 4:56:42 AM
Nice, very nice indeed. With the original luggage rack from 1954? This is a rarity.

David






AGE / VALUE:   two older bikes posted by: Pete on 9/12/2003 at 4:39:24 PM
I have two older bikes. The first is a Schwinn varsity 10 speed that I bought new in 1971. I changed some parts, like the handlebars, but have all the original parts. The second is a 12 speed Nashiki road bike in fair condition (I ride it to work most days).

Does either of these have any value? Just curious.

thanks


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   two older bikes posted by Bryan Masone on 9/12/2003 at 9:48:29 PM
As Sheldon Brown says, the most valuable bicycle in the world is the one you use to ride to work, because where would you be without it?

There are collectors out there interested in those old Schwinns, and also to a lesser extent Japanese lightweights like your Nishiki, but neither is worth an extraordinary sum of money on the open market unless they are equipped with special parts such as Campagnolo, or have special frame tubing. Unless you need to get rid of them, I'd say to keep them and enjoy riding them.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   two older bikes posted by Titlist on 9/15/2003 at 10:50:51 PM
the bike co-op changed it's policy, of "permanent" loaner bikes, etc. cause people don't value a bike if it's given to them. Maybe with the upsurge, seems in the vintage bike market too, one pays $60, $70 often for what was once $20. But you learn to value it more.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Womans Roadster Frameset posted by: Brian on 9/12/2003 at 1:11:18 PM
I have a Raleigh Roadster woman's bike that was a project that I cannot get to. The bike needs restoration (paint, decals, chain, and seat) NY area p/u would be easy. Pictures are essential of course, and I'll upload quality pics to your email address if requested.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Womans Roadster Frameset posted by Andrew on 9/12/2003 at 4:31:42 PM
I may be interested. Please post some pics. Where in NY?

Thanks,

Andrew
asg9000@yahoo.com

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Womans Roadster Frameset posted by Brian on 9/12/2003 at 4:57:47 PM
NY = New York "The Big Apple"

I'm looking to trade this bike for ?

I can only send jpegs to an email address.

Shipping will make things cost prohibitive to most people, as these roadster bikes are h-e-a-v-y!






AGE / VALUE:   Information on a PAGE MAKER bike? posted by: Larry T. on 9/12/2003 at 12:54:25 AM
I bought an old woman's 3 speed with a badge decal of PAGE MAKER. This decal is also on the rear fender. It is marked 'Made in England' and has the name SUPER on the down tube. Also on the downtube is a decal marked 'Guaranteed Precision Built'. The 3 speed unit is made by Brampton. The serial number is C 39861. Does anyone have any information about this company and/or age of this bike?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Information on a PACE MAKER bike? posted by Larry T. on 9/12/2003 at 1:32:59 AM
Sorry! The above Posting should show the name as PACE MAKER.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Information on a PACE MAKER bike? posted by Chris on 9/12/2003 at 7:29:03 PM
Never heard of this brand or company or name.
And I am ashamed!
If old British bikes were a end of the year exam that I needed to pass I would be up the tree!

Imagine the essay question on the last page and I have 16 minutes to do this and the Prof ( Somebody who looks like Sheldon!) would want a brief history of Pace Maker!
Here I never heard of it!

He'd be saying: "I got you with that one!"

Anyways, Brampton was a company that made parts like cranks, and headsets. This bike was made by another company that used Brampton parts. Brampton did not make bicycles but made bicycles possible. That was their motto.

Anyways, it could be anything.
We would need to see a picture of it.

The serial numbers do not do us any good.
The largest and smallest companies have vanished without a trace and the serial number charts we need to navigate and figure out the year it was made is missing 99% of the time.

Pacemaker.... I don't know.
Send us a picturee for the picture database here or give us a web address so we can call up the picture and look at it and try to answer your question.
That's what folks here do.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Information on a PACE MAKER bike? posted by Titlist on 9/13/2003 at 12:54:41 AM
I noted, the bay, had an Oxford, I think, I 've seen this before. I think, just an ordinary 3 speed that the dept. store, or whomever, give a British sounding name, to enhance the image, but I could be wrong!

Tom ( who still wears Oxford button collar dress shirts on a regular basis, Infantry Stripes on the tie )






AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Rare color ? posted by: Steve L. on 9/11/2003 at 11:27:41 PM
I was wondering what colors are scarce for Raleigh's. Last month at a show I spotted a '66 ladies 'Sports' with violet paint, never saw that color before, very 1960's. My '74 Raleigh color is ivory, classy looking I think and you don't see many. Any other colors considered scarce ?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Rare color ? posted by Bryan Masone on 9/11/2003 at 11:49:02 PM
Are you talking about that violet sports at the Bloomfield swap? That was a nice bike, first time I ever saw that color too. I think that one was a 1967. It seems to me that the 1970's (and the few years before that) saw the explosion of color. Before that it was the basic black, the bronze green, and coffee brown. I remember my mom had an early 70's gold tone which I thought was great. I've also seen metal flake reds. I'm no expert, just what I've seen. I prefer the older bikes, in the basic colors, but if I have to have a 1970's bike, I think its cool to have a strange color.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh Rare color ? posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/12/2003 at 12:29:23 PM
The colour was called "Fuchsia" and was introduced in 1966 with the new Huret derailleur Sprite (DL-70). The Ladies Sports (DL-22L) came in this as well. The same colour was offered on another new model that year, the long-lived "Record" (DL-73) which was Raleigh entry level 10-speed "racing bicycle", not to be confused with the immortal RRA, Record Ace of course.

P.C. Kohler


   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh Rare color ? posted by Chris on 9/12/2003 at 7:31:39 PM
In the swinging 60's the colors and finishes really swung.
Somebody even called in an Italian auto designer and they messed around with candy type colors.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Rare color ? posted by sam on 9/12/2003 at 10:12:26 PM
I have a 72 sports done in Gold.A really nice color.Doesn't make the bike look cheap.---sam

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Rare color ? posted by Titlist on 9/13/2003 at 12:57:22 AM
Lucky you Sam, I've seen that exact kind ....

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh Rare color ? posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/13/2003 at 1:30:41 AM
The 'sixties? Try the early 'fifties. The Humber 1950 catalogue has all of these shades and more... Amaranth, Turquoise Blue, Flamboyant Amber, Polychromatic Lilac, Polychromatic Olive Green etc.

Maybe because of all the Royal associations "By Appointment to H.M. The King etc." we might think of Humber as being some fuddy-duddy bike but when it came to a rainbow of colours, they were always the extraverts of the Raleigh family.

I should post the Humber colour chart on Roll Britannia... you'll recognise most of these "new" sixties paints.

The one colour that I think is the most unBritish on bicycles is white... it was almost never, ever used. White bikes are invariably associated with Contintental makes like Peugeot. I remember in 1973 Raleigh introduced the "ivory" Sprite 27 and Sports: they looked smart enough but just too damn foreign!!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh Rare color ? posted by Chris on 9/13/2003 at 9:18:49 PM
Yes, P.C. is really right. The 1960's funky colors got started early in the 1950's in England. I have the article someplace about the Italian designer who was called in to design the bike's colors.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh Rare color ? posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/14/2003 at 2:52:41 AM
Or indeed the 'thirties! Hercules, in the wonderful 1933 catalogue featured this summer on Roll Britannia, shows their club models in red, black and yellow and all yellow, the last two with yellow (!) celluloid covered handlebars. There were two blue finishes, a green and a maroon one as well. Add the Dunlop Red Sports tyres and matching grips and you got something "over the rainbow".

After the war, people were desparate for some colour in their drab surroundings. The very rare Raleigh Super Sports (produced just in late 1947 and into 1948) was orange with black lining (and indeed still had blacked out wartime fitments) with cream celluloid mudguards.

The only time when Raleigh miscued with colours I think was in the 1969-73 era when they just went way overboard on browns and greens, admittedly in vogue then, but just "icky" especially on the first generation of Raleigh Carlton racing and touring machines. Bronze Green and Coffee Brown was sprayed on everything coming out of Lenton Blvd. then it seemed.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh Rare color ? posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/14/2003 at 2:54:25 AM
Or indeed the 'thirties! Hercules, in the wonderful 1933 catalogue featured this summer on Roll Britannia, shows their club models in red, black and yellow and all yellow, the last two with yellow (!) celluloid covered handlebars. There were two blue finishes, a green and a maroon one as well. Add the Dunlop Red Sports tyres and matching grips and you got something "over the rainbow".

After the war, people were desparate for some colour in their drab surroundings. The very rare Raleigh Super Sports (produced just in late 1947 and into 1948) was orange with black lining (and indeed still had blacked out wartime fitments) with cream celluloid mudguards.

The only time when Raleigh miscued with colours I think was in the 1969-73 era when they just went way overboard on browns and greens, admittedly in vogue then, but just "icky" especially on the first generation of Raleigh Carlton racing and touring machines. Bronze Green and Coffee Brown was sprayed on everything coming out of Lenton Blvd. then it seemed.

P.C. Kohler






AGE / VALUE:   Interesting Tandem on Ebay posted by: Bryan on 9/11/2003 at 8:01:27 PM
Interesting tandem on Ebay: 2191354809

Not my auction, no relation to seller.