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Archived: English Roadsters







AGE / VALUE:   Humber Sports Model posted by: Louis Danese on 10/15/2004 at 4:33:27 PM

I own a Humber Sports Model,for men, 28 x 1 5/8", and his series number is AD 17969. In the Raleigh models, this number is for a 1958 model. Same year for humber bikes?

Best regards

louis
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Humber Sports Model posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/15/2004 at 6:50:33 PM
Technically yes... but these serial number charts have been proven to be inaccurate before. Often wildly so. A far surer way to date a English roadster, assuming it has 1) gears, 2) Sturmey-Archer hub gears and 3) they appear to be original to the machine is to get the date code on the hub. Thus a 1958 machine would have "3 58" stamped on the hub meaning March 1958. Of course 1958 hubs found their way on 1959 machines, but it's a lot better than deciphering these impossibly arcane serial numbers. Why manufacturers did not simply stamp the things 58 and then a serial number is beyond me. I guess they liked puzzles.

P.C. Kohler
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lots of bikes and parts for sale posted by: Geoff Rogers on 10/15/2004 at 3:03:02 AM
I have a ton of British bikes and parts for sale over on the "For Sale" section of this discussion area, in case anybody is interested. Bikes range from a prewar club machine to a 1973 DL1 in really excellent shape, plus some rare old bits (and a lot of common ones too!).

Sorry to clog up this site with such blatant commercialism, but I have to move some machines; I can't walk through the garage any more, and two more decrepit subjects are due to arrive from England next week!
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Lots of bikes and parts for sale posted by Warren on 10/15/2004 at 4:14:52 AM
Call me stoopid but I can't find your list...help!
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Lots of bikes and parts for sale posted by Stoopid on 10/16/2004 at 11:09:22 PM
Found it!
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FOR SALE:   tires posted by: mike p on 10/12/2004 at 3:24:45 PM
I don't know what your all looking for in a 26x1 3/8" tire. I was getting down some NOS kenda blackwalls in my shed to replace tires on old CCM 3 speed and discovered several pairs of Kendas with a 1/8" thick white line around them. I also have at least three tread patterns in the blackwalls, and new tubes-any interest in these tires or ar these the common ones? .....mike
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   RE:FOR SALE:   tires posted by Ron on 10/23/2004 at 12:02:55 PM
I'm interested in two of the tires with the 1/8 whitewall 26 x 1 3/8. Please e-mail me with quote. thanks Ron
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AGE / VALUE:   Men ride across US... on HIGHWHEELERS posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/10/2004 at 12:39:52 PM
http://www.thewheelmen.org/sections/americanjourneys/gary_peter04/default.asp

Quite an ambitious ride!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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AGE / VALUE:   TAKE A LOOK AT RALEIGH UK WEB SITE! posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/8/2004 at 9:55:57 PM
I think this is AWESOME! Go to the Raleigh U.K. web site under bits for bikes

I sat there stunned!
Part # ACB 900
Look familiar? Hmmm? Yes, that's right! It's nylon and with a different logo but THATS OUR SADDLEBAG!


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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   TAKE A LOOK AT RALEIGH UK WEB SITE! posted by chris again on 10/8/2004 at 9:59:53 PM
28 X 1 1/2 tires too! original looking too!
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: TAKE A LOOK AT RALEIGH UK WEB SITE! posted by James on 10/9/2004 at 5:58:25 AM
So who lives near a Raleigh dealer in the UK?
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MISC:   Raleigh calipers to trade... posted by: Kurt K on 10/8/2004 at 12:46:26 PM
I have an offer for you folks today....back when I thought my Sports was a '52, not a '76 (don't ask!), I bought a pair of pre-1960 Raleigh calipers for it (the kind for soldered-end cables), from Vinny here on Oldroads.

Rather unfortunately, I now find that these calipers are not what I need and mostly useless to me.

I would therefore like to say that I am willing to trade my pre-1960 calipers for a pair of nice post-1960 calipers with the conventional cable mount. You can email me at cudak888@aol.com if interested.

Take care,

Kurt

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   RE:MISC:   Raleigh calipers to trade... posted by Kurt K on 10/8/2004 at 1:22:49 PM
P.S.: Looking for some new headbadge rivets. Let me know if you have some to sell....
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   RE:MISC:   Raleigh calipers to trade... posted by Ward on 10/9/2004 at 2:28:48 PM
I don't have any to trade, but I might want to buy them from you. Contact me at my email address. Thanks.
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WANTED:   Looking for a fork for a Raleigh 20 posted by: brent on 10/7/2004 at 6:10:11 PM
I finally found a Raleigh twenty to fix up(probably as a fixie to take on trips) and I'm looking for a new fork, preferably that uses standard threading, so I can use a better headset than that nylon bushing one. Has anyone figured out a source for twenty inch forks with a nine inch steerer?
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   RE:WANTED: Looking for a fork for a Raleigh 20 posted by James on 10/8/2004 at 8:03:43 AM
http://sheldonbrown.org/raleigh-twenty.html#r20folderfixed
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AGE / VALUE:   Rod brake woody rim posted by: sam on 10/7/2004 at 3:07:08 PM
Now that's something you don't see too often!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=56197&item=7105942987&rd=1
Be great if it were a matched(32/40)pair
no relation etc to seller---sam
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MISC:   Try our new "Reader's Classified Ads": posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 10/7/2004 at 1:39:39 PM
The link is:

http://oldroads.com/rrdownm.asp


Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc.
http://OldRoads.com
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   RE:MISC:   Try our new posted by VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 10/7/2004 at 1:43:33 PM
Forgot to mention - it supports both picture and non-picture files ( GIF, JPG, BMP, PDF, EXE, programs, calculator tools, etc).
Users get up to 6 megs web space.

-Vin
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AGE / VALUE:   Chris posted by: sam on 10/7/2004 at 1:24:06 PM
Chris,Email me at samclingo@hotmail.com and give me an adress I have finally gotten around to scanning the BCC book and will send you a disk ---sam
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chris posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/9/2004 at 3:55:15 PM
Will do, thanks!
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MISC:   Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by: Fred A on 10/6/2004 at 3:36:15 AM
Hi all. Well, while out driving just now, another "curbside" find was waiting for me. This time, it was a pair (boys and girls) of black 3-speed Rudge bicycles. They are both in DIRE need of restoration, but it was the chrome (though green oxidated) crowns on the forks that caught my eye. It was so dark I wasn't even able to clearly make out the badge, but figured what the heck...I could just as well toss them both out just as well. I think that they may be 24'' wheeled bikes, but tomorrow I'll get a better look. Both have leather Brooks saddles, the more dried out being the boys.
My question is this: If these are 24'' wheeled bikes, are these a bit on the rare side or should I have not wasted my time in bringing them home? If they are 26'', are they to common to waste time/money/energy on them? The girls bike has a Dynohub on it, though there is no light. Daylight will tell the real story as they are resting on the side of my house for the evening. Wait till my wife spots them in the morning!! You'll hear the screams no matter where you live!

Fred A
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   RE:MISC:   Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/6/2004 at 2:22:14 PM
If they are 24" wheel (rod brake or caliper??) they are rarish in the USA especially rod braked ones. Wonderfully named Maid Marion and Little John as I recall. Of course they are also of utility only to young lads in grey flannels and kneesocks and proper young ladies in pleated skirts. I am not sure how many of today's "young people" would get a kick out of classic English Iron. If they are 26" wheel, they are common of course but a Rudge is a still a Rudge and top quality.

Didn't hear any screams..

P.C. Kohler
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   RE:RE:MISC:   Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by Fred A on 10/7/2004 at 1:01:50 AM
Hi P.C.

Turns out that the wheels are the common 26'' after all, original tires still mounted and flattened. Oh, brakes are caliper, not rod. The girl's bike (with the Dyno) has RUDGE WHITWORTH on the chainguard while the men's is blank, possibly from exposure over the years. What I might wind up doing is using the best of both bikes to make the men's as nice and complete as possible. Other parts will be canabalized to keep as extra parts (headbadge, bearings, etc.)for future use. I'm hoping that the paint and chrome will polish out decently, but I'll find out this weekend. Rear hub is nice and greasey, so date identification will be easy when it's cleaned.

I never realized how wild the crankset looks...it's a hand! Now THAT'S different. Pardon my ignorance on this matter, but I'm a little more knowledgeable on older middleweights and road bikes. I do currently own a pair of matching '73 Raleigh Sports, a Humber and at one time a DL-1 Roadster,but this crankset wins "hands down" (pun intended!) This weekend will begin the overall cleaning process, time permiting, and I'll post back as work ensues.

My wife didn't scream...just shook her head...so that's why it was quiet where you live.

Fred A
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   RE:MISC:   Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by Peter on 10/7/2004 at 11:40:56 AM
The origin of the Rudge 'hand' emblem may be of interest - I had a 1954 Rudge Ulster Sports cycle that got me curious. In the late 1920s - 27 or 29 I think - a Rudge motorcycle won the Ulster Tourist Trophy race in Northern Ireland. To capitalize on their win they introduced the Rudge Ulster motorcycle and adopted the 'hand' of Ulster as their emblem.

Pete.
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   RE:RE:MISC:   Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/7/2004 at 3:54:59 PM
Such is the intrinsic appeal of the "Hand" chainwheel that one is loathe to put enclosed gearcases on a Rudge! Sad to say the last Rudges sold in the late 1960s and early 1970s were sans the hand chainwheel and had the generic one then used on everything coming out of Nottingham except genuine Raleighs.

Anyone who loves the old Rudge-Whitworth firm must make a pilgrimmage to the city of Coventry in England where, of course, "real" Rudges were made up until c. 1943. There is transport museum there just loaded with Rudge motorcycles and cycles.

The biggest loss when Raleigh absorbed Rudge during the War was that they didn't carry on with many of the Rudge innovations and sophisticated lightweight machines that made the Coventry name so respected. Raleigh never had anything to quite match the Rudge 1938 Aero Olympic or some of the roadsters with their wonderful motorcycle-like "valanced" mudguards. The finish of these Coventry-made machines was exceptional and quite up to the Sunbeams and Humbers of the period.

P.C. Kohler
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   RE:MISC:   Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by lisa on 10/8/2004 at 2:47:54 AM
I have also been given a 1965 Rudge 3 speed - I love the hand on the chainwheel! However, while I can get the rust off the chrome, the paint is badly peeling/rusted - how can I fix this or should I just clean it up as best i can and leave it alone. Nice to own a really sturdy bike.
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   RE:RE:MISC: Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by James on 10/8/2004 at 5:33:14 AM
Last night I finally got to use one of my Rudge whitworth spanners, while attempting to overhaul a set of Rudge pedals I had found. Rudge has become my favourite brand, I dream of finding a Rudge pathfinder.
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   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by Fred A on 10/8/2004 at 1:01:39 PM
WOW! Seems there are quite a few Rudge-ophiles out there! As I had stated, the two bikes will become one when the dust settles, with hopefully a few leftover decent parts. As I'm 6' tall, the mens frame is to small for me (haven't measured it yet, but it appears to be one of the smaller sized frames). After the bike is completed, there's a good chance I'll wind up selling it at some point and use the funds to go towards other bike proects. I just like cleaning bikes that were on their way to to Junk Yard and giving them a second chance at life.
Should any of you be interested, let me know. By the way, I live on Long Island in NY should anyone care when the time comes to check them out.

Fred A
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   RE:RE:MISC:   Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by paul on 10/9/2004 at 12:52:41 AM
I am the proud owner of a 1965 Rudge Sports in grade 9 condition, maroon color with aftermarket chrome pump, replacement blackwall tires on Raleigh Pattern rims and aftermarket bag attached to Brooks B72 saddle, otherwise all original and one of my favorite rides. Brass wool does wonders in restoration and does not scratch chrome. If the paint can be saved , do so! A repainted bicycle doesn't look that great IMHO! paul
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   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by Fred A on 10/9/2004 at 3:26:23 AM
I agree about the paint...keep it original if at all possible. You'd be surprised at what a light polishing compound will do. Then use regular polish and finally the wax. If done right and taking your time doing it, it will shine like a mirror. Remember the old adage..."You can paint it a hundred times, but it's only original once"........

Fred A
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by James on 10/9/2004 at 6:02:19 AM
What polish and wax have you guys used? I've yet to touch the paint on any of my bikes, but I found a metallic brown Superbe the other day (without dynohub) that needs a light polishing.


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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by Fred A on 10/10/2004 at 12:02:08 AM
You can use Turtle Wax white polishing compound GENTLY first. Then, Meguiar's Polish and finished off with Meguiars Wax. Last two are items I use on my cars, and all readily available at any Auto Supply Store. (You won't need the polishing compound unless the paint is very flat and rough feeling.) If used properly, the bike will appear almost wet looking and as smooth as a baby's butt!
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   RE:MISC:   Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by lisa on 10/10/2004 at 12:52:32 AM
thanks for all the info - I spent the day today taking apart all the chrome pieces and polishing/cleaning. Thanks for the info about the turtle wax/polish - I'll give it a try.
then it on to replacing the tubes/tires and pedals and hopefully all will be in working order.

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   RE:RE:MISC: Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by James on 10/10/2004 at 8:44:55 AM
If anyone hasn't tried it, Quickglow is the "miracle chrome" cleaner/polish. I've never seen it in stores and only one bike shop I know of carries it, motorcycle shops might have it.
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   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by Fred A on 10/10/2004 at 3:12:36 PM
The chrome cleaner/polish I use is called NOXON. It comes in a green bottle and is a liquid. This will bring the chrome up to a brilliant shine. After I use this, wax is applied as a protective coating.

By the way... the Rudge bikes I got are going to be a handful. I took a pile of before shots and found that some chrome parts will clean up nicely, other parts(fenders, etc.) are toast. One complete bike will be a challenge.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by Vin on 10/12/2004 at 12:42:41 AM
We recondition between a half and a full dozen cycles a week going on 10 years now. Noxon, MacGuires, Naval Jelly, Quik-Glo, Jewler's Rogue, whatever.

Nothing works like the substances we sell in our Cleaning Kit at

http://oldroads.com/clean_kit.html


Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc.
http://OldRoads.com


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   RE:MISC:   Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by Ken Cowan on 2/16/2005 at 1:10:51 PM
I found, in the rubbish throw out, a 1951 Rudge 26 inch with rod operated drum brakes back and front. It has the full chainguard and an interesting fork lock as part of the frame. It is now totally stripped and awaiting powdercoating in black and chrome plating.It should be a very handsome bike.Trying to source new endrick rims for it,32 and 40 hole.
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   RE:MISC:   Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by Ken Cowan on 2/16/2005 at 1:11:37 PM
I found, in the rubbish throw out, a 1951 Rudge 26 inch with rod operated drum brakes back and front. It has the full chainguard and an interesting fork lock as part of the frame. It is now totally stripped and awaiting powdercoating in black and chrome plating.It should be a very handsome bike.Trying to source new endrick rims for it,32 and 40 hole.
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   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Rudge Bicycles...a pair found...... posted by ron kain on 5/12/2005 at 12:36:38 AM
where can I fine quickglow chrome cleaner
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Easy Spirit Sheffield 3 Speed posted by: Kevin on 10/5/2004 at 3:48:50 PM
I found an Easy Spirit Sheffield, 3 speed. I want to know if this is a true English Roadster imported by Sears and given the Easy Spirit imprint or is it a just a piece of Sear junk. Any info would be great. Thanks!

Kevin
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Easy Spirit Sheffield 3 Speed posted by sam on 10/6/2004 at 10:05:13 PM
Is their a serial number on it?Maybe two sets of numbers?---sam
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Easy Spirit Sheffield 3 Speed posted by David on 10/8/2004 at 1:51:35 PM
Sears is "Free Spirit." Most Sears imports were Austrian built. This may be something different. But check its components; Sturmey-Archer hub? Other British-brand parts? One-piece crank means it's probably not British nor higher-quality European.
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WANTED:   58 Raleigh Superbe 4 speed posted by: Bruce on 10/5/2004 at 12:51:10 AM
This is a long shot! A few years ago I sold my 58 Raleigh Superbe 4 speed to a gent that currently lived near the Kings Ranch in Texas and was headed to Kansas or somewhere like that. If you are bored or anybody that bought it since, i sure do miss it. I rode 150 miles in two days on it, still have the bad knee to prove it. Let this be a lesson to get a bigger garage or better yet a barn. Happy Trails from Texas
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   RE:WANTED:   58 Raleigh Superbe 4 speed posted by sam on 10/6/2004 at 10:12:09 PM
I saw an old Raleigh in the bike shop in Kingsville a few weeks ago--didn't think it was that old though.Was a little supprised to see any.Nice place to ride,wide streets with little traffic except on the main streets tru town.And no dogs running loose.---sam
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   RE:RE:WANTED:   58 Raleigh Superbe 4 speed posted by Kurt K on 10/7/2004 at 1:02:33 AM
Dogs running loose? I can tell you a thing or three about that! Reminds me of the time I rigged up one of my cheap Goodwill MTBs with a water tank and a "sprinkler" system to spray out water from behind the bottom bracket...I used this contraption especially for a nagging little Yorkie down the street. Finally, a use for MTBs!

Sorry for me digressing, but I couldn't help mentioning this.

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   58 Raleigh Superbe 4 speed posted by Bryan on 10/7/2004 at 2:14:35 AM
Dogs---no joke! I got mauled by a pit bull a few months ago while rideing a wheel on Sheffield steel--literally. Dog had no shots either. Bad news is that I now have pit bull DNA mingling with my own, good news is that he didn't have rabies after all.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   58 Raleigh Superbe 4 speed posted by traumatized Chris on 10/7/2004 at 4:34:36 AM
Spine tingling, shuddering, hair on the back standing up. Thinking "Oh, geeze, Poor Brian!" Picture-ing the guy next to the bike kicking in horror and screaming and this monster bites him. I shudder again as I read this. The sign on the bus stop bench with the alligator with open jaws and teeth and the 800# number for the law firm that takes these cases comes to mind.
Only the thing runs off, you're in no shape to run after a Pit Bull, it has no tags if you do catch it. If you grab it it just keeps biting you. What do you do?
Now I'm gonna log off and have nightmares!
Dogs kill! They bite, you go into shock and faint and then you don't put up a fight and it keeps chewing you up.
Dude I hope you are ok!
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   RE:WANTED:   58 Raleigh Superbe 4 speed posted by Steve on 10/8/2004 at 2:31:38 AM
A U-lock, held vertically at the "u" and used as a truncheon, will make quick work of any dog munching on your leg. My old Sunbeam has a BMF u-lock mounted right beneath the top tube, there not only for locking.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh (?) mudguards posted by: Kurt K on 10/4/2004 at 12:27:31 AM
I have had this pair of fenders laying around for a while - bought them from a local bike salvager for $2. I never took a close look at them until today, when I realized that they appear to be Raleigh-made fenders.

The rear fender bridge clip is very close to the original Raleigh design, but what I found of note was the black paint with gold pinstriping that remained reasonably intact under the bridge clip. The fender stays are rather cheap-looking bent wire pieces. They measure out about the same length as a pair of Raleigh Sports fenders. No heron decal is visible above the white fender section.

I've posted a photo and three links below - are these just a cheap knockoff of Raleigh fenders, or were these actually produced by Raleigh Industries?

http://www.jaysmarine.com/RaleighInd_fenders1.jpg
http://www.jaysmarine.com/RaleighInd_fenders2.jpg
http://www.jaysmarine.com/RaleighInd_fenders4.jpg

Take care,

Kurt


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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh (?) mudguards posted by Chris on 10/4/2004 at 12:57:30 PM
These are not original Raleigh fenders rather English or Canadian fenders of another manufacture. The Raleigh was distinct with a round "bullet" of sorts on the end.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh (?) mudguards posted by Ed on 10/5/2004 at 6:37:22 PM
I agree with Chris in that these are not Nottingham Manufactured fenders (at least the first one isn't).
It appears to be a front fender from a bike manufactured,I believe, by the Raleigh Cycle Co. of America.These were manufactured in the far east for export to and sale in the U.S.A.they were actually pretty good copies of the English Raleigh Sports.I base this on the longer chrome bullet shown in the photo of the front fender which was a typical feature of these bikes. I believe that the rear fender may be genuine,based on the black paint and gold stripping shown in the photo of the area not covered by white paint on the rear fender.Also I have seen the cheap looking wire stays on both British made Raleighs and those imported from the Orient.


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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh (?) mudguards posted by Geoff Rogers on 10/6/2004 at 7:56:33 PM
These appear to be Phillips-made fenders. If the wire staus have an oval, chromed or painted washer thingie on the outside of the front fender with two screws in it, there it is. Phillips. I have a couple of fifties Phillips-built bikes with similar long chrome spears on the front, including a Dunelt and an Indian. It's a shame somebody painted them, but maybe that preserved the metal at least.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Alderdale? posted by: marc on 10/3/2004 at 8:15:02 PM
I found a Alderdale three-speed. It's made in england and has a really cool headbadge. Does anyone has any information about these old bike. So far its been a great commuter bike.

thanks,

marc
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Alderdale? posted by sam on 10/4/2004 at 3:05:50 PM
Do you mean Aberdale?Maker of the kiddie 3 wheeler the Gresham Flyer and the bown moped?---sam
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   aberdale posted by marc on 10/7/2004 at 9:56:30 PM
yes, aberdale. i typed the last post too fast. i can only find info about the moped and nothing about the bicycles.

m
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