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Archived: English Roadsters







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   rudge bike posted by: lisa on 10/2/2004 at 7:16:01 PM
I've just been given a 1972 ladies Rudge Bicycle - everything works but...it is in terrible cosmetic condition, the tires are rotted, and the down tube stickers/decals are gone.
How do I polish the chrome/painted fenders, and is there anyplace I can get the decals?
thanks - it's a lovely bike.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: rudge bike posted by James on 10/3/2004 at 6:17:24 AM
I have some Rudge transfers, not 72, 1950s, but some might work, like the Made in England transfer or "Britian's Best bicycle." The transfers are at my parents house, I haven't seen them yet, but I could make copies, once I have figured out what sort of paper and printer to use.

James
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   rudge bike posted by lisa on 10/4/2004 at 12:51:32 PM
that would be great - thanks!
Lisa
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: rudge bike posted by Ron on 10/23/2004 at 12:35:25 PM
I too am looking for any transfers for a 1961 Rudge Sports. Also the entire bike is chrome. Have you ever seen one of these? Thanks Ron
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AGE / VALUE:   anyone herd of VOX? posted by: dean on 10/2/2004 at 4:10:53 AM
i picked up this old bike off me cousin and im tyryibng to get a date. its called a vox 747 and its got a picture of a plane on the front uner the gooseneck.
i was just woindering is anyone has herd of this make/model or whatever?
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WANTED:   Mudguards (Fenders) posted by: Max M. on 9/30/2004 at 4:11:36 AM
Hello everyone

I am looking for a set of old style round section mudguards for a rod brake bike. It is for a 1939 Ladies Raleigh with bolt up rear stays and beautiful 26" Dunlop Westwood profile wheels. These are the mudguards with stays that loop around the axle instead of bolting to the frame.
If you have a set in black or know who does then please contact me.

Thanks
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   RE:WANTED:   Mudguards (Fenders) posted by paul on 10/1/2004 at 11:30:30 PM
my son has a DL-1 that he purchased and it was missing the fenders (mudguards). He bought new plastic fenders in black, available at most well stocked bicycle shops. They look great and are similar to the original black steel fenders. This advice is given not for the purist restorer but for the user/rider of these fine machines. paul
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   RE:WANTED:   Mudguards (Fenders) posted by sam on 10/4/2004 at 11:51:36 PM
These were the fenders used on most girls rod brake bikes sold in Mexico.Some were built in Mx others were imports from India or England.Maybe some of the shops that import Indian Roadesters--like yellow jersey might be able to help....sam
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   RE:WANTED:   Mudguards (Fenders) posted by Max M on 10/5/2004 at 4:05:37 AM
Thanks for the suggestions. I think that if I want to stay with the original style I may have to go with the Indian manufactured stuff. COY has them too.


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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   novice bottom bracket question posted by: louis on 9/29/2004 at 3:59:26 PM
i had previously posted in this group about possible bb replacement on an '59 raleigh sports. i got some good information back, and, in the end, decided to leave the decision as to whether or not to replace the crankset/bb up to how well the current setup was working as well as the level of difficulty in working with the cottered cranks.

using a c-clamp and socket head as a cotter press, the cotters popped right out, cranks came off just fine. same for lockring, adjustable cup and spindle. couldn't have gone much more smoothly. spent several hours removing all of the layers of used grease from everything, and got it ready for repacking.

once everything was cleaned and dried, i greased the cups, replaced the ball bearings with new, and put everything back together.

then things got complicated. whether the bearing is a little too loose (<1mm play) or correctly tightened, there is a rough spot when turning the spindle. i understand this can indicate damage to the parts or dirt, but, since this is my first bb overhaul, i'm not sure whether to seek new parts (or which new parts to seek) or whether a chunk of slag somehow worked its way into the cups while i was putting it back together. i got out a magnifying glass to examine the spindle and cups before putting it together, and they were spotless. the balls were brand new, right from the bottle at my lbs to a plastic bag to the cups. i dried everything off with a clean towel and then used compressed air to blow any remaining dust through.

if the rough spot were consistent, it might be easier to figure out where it is. but, i can turn the spindle 4-5 revolutions without it showing up sometimes, backwards it seems fine, but then forwards again it shows up at different points and number of revolutions. while it feels pretty stiff when turning the spindle with my fingers, the weight of the left crank is more than enough to turn the spindle through the rough spot, and it does spin freely with the added weight/leverage.

is this just normal for 50 year old bike parts? do i need a new spindle, cups or ball bearings? is this more indicative of dirt? if so, what size of a piece of dirt could cause this?
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   novice bottom bracket question posted by louis on 9/30/2004 at 6:16:23 AM
ok - nevermind. now that i've spent some more time adjusting the cups and attached the cranks and chainring, it's clear that the spindle has a bit of wobble.

anyone got a spare? :)
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AGE / VALUE:   Where would you ride...if posted by: sam on 9/29/2004 at 4:29:08 PM
So,what event/ride would you go to if money and time were no problem?I'm sure most of us would like to attend the Tour De France,but what event that you could ride in would you go to? The 3 speed tour in Redwing,Maybe that great ride they hold in the spring in New Zeland....????---sam
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sunbeam Seatpin Diameter posted by: Craig on 9/29/2004 at 3:19:03 PM
I'm currently touching up an early 1950's Sunbeam Roadster. I wanted to obtain another seatpin as the old one appears to have been cut a little too short. On Sheldon's site on English 3 Spd's he said that most other roadsters other than Raleigh had a seatpin diameter of 27mm. I measured the diameter of the original seatpin that came with the Sunbeam and it measured 26.4 mm. It's possible that the seatlug may have been clamped down to fit a smaller pin as the dimension of the seat tube opening appears to be slightly ovalized (Is that a word?). The next question would be does anybody know where I can find a 27 mm seatpin (preferably closed top)? I've been looking and haven't been able to drum one up yet.
Thanks!
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Sunbeam Seatpin Diameter posted by Warren on 10/2/2004 at 1:02:39 AM
A 6 mm difference is way too much. The size you need is the size that fits. If your old one fits properly and the seatlug "ears aren't pinched together, then measure that one up with a good caliper and find a longer one in the same size. If the seat bolt clamps the ears together then get another post 1 or 2 mm's bigger, spread the gap in the seatube carefully and try that. Never assume that a 27mm with fit. Any large bike shop should have a seatpost measuring guage...it's tapered in "steps and gives you the exact size, excluding any of the seatube damage mentioned above.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Adding a Moulton to the collection.. posted by: Warren Young on 9/28/2004 at 3:10:40 AM
I wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the lightweights group...but it's a mid 60's Stowaway with an FW fourspeed so I think it belongs here. I've put the downpayment on it...it's just had a popular frame modification done to the rear swingarm (beefs it up for longterm daily use). Original paint but the rims are now alloy as is the crankset. It's got both racks, no pump. I paid full price for it but it's a treat to myself. They are a nice ride and will likely become the "grocery bike" for Elizabeth and myself. I pick it up in a couple of weeks after the swingarm gets painted. Now which bike to I have to part with to make room for this one? I hate this part of the equation.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Adding a Moulton to the collection.. posted by James on 10/3/2004 at 7:51:02 PM
You could part with a Lenton/Pathfinder/Clipper. I still have room in the basement. :)
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Norman bike posted by: Lisa on 9/28/2004 at 2:15:57 AM
I saw a bike today I'm thinking of buying - Norman English bicycle, 3 speed, green with fenders, funny chain with "helmet" shaped chain -
anyone know anything about it?
What should it cost?
thanks
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Norman bike posted by Jeff R on 9/28/2004 at 11:39:02 AM
I have a 1954 Norman with a mens frame. It has the same chainwheel and the light bracket also has the Norman knight stamped into it. Mine is black. What year was it made? Mens or ladies? I prefer bikes that are a color other than black. The Norman was made by Phillips. It should have Phillips style fenders, chainguard, and front forks and fork crown. Value depends on condition and how badly you want it. Five years ago I paid $25 for mine. I think that was cheep. If its clean and the chrome is good it should be worth a lot more than what I paid.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Norman bike posted by lisa on 9/28/2004 at 1:44:56 PM
Men's bike; green
Cost would be about $50 - I think this should be about right. Rides well. Thanks for the tip on it being built by Phillips
Lisa
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Norman bike posted by sam on 9/28/2004 at 2:54:53 PM
Norman Cycles was started in 1920 when two brothers,F.G. & C.T.Norman, joined to start the firm Known as Kent Plating and Enamelling Company.By 1935 they had opened their new factory for the production of bicycles.---sam
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RollBritannia posted by: Ward Davis on 9/28/2004 at 1:21:32 AM
In this day and age of "high tech" bull s***, isn't there a way to bring back our favourite web sight? Perhaps the fine Gents here at VVVintage can help?
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RollBritannia posted by sam on 9/28/2004 at 3:01:55 PM
I think we miss the magic of P.C.His hard work in keeping that site new and fresh,always adding something interesting,would be hard to copy---sam
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RollBritannia posted by Ward Davis on 9/28/2004 at 8:05:22 PM
I agree. PC was the engine. We were lucky for a breif moment!
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RollBritannia posted by Ward Davis on 9/28/2004 at 8:06:00 PM
I agree. PC was the engine. We were lucky for a brief moment!
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RollBritannia posted by Max M. on 9/30/2004 at 3:57:54 AM
Sorry to sound sacriligous but P.C. is not dead. He just crossed over to the lightweight side of the field. His old DL1 gathers dust while he lavishes all his attention on his Italian mistress Cinelli.
It is great to see that VVVintage still makes space for the trusty Roadsters.

Regards to all
Max M.
Washington, DC
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RollBritannia posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/30/2004 at 8:43:30 PM
Max, my nextdoor neighbour (can you believe two bike collectors that close to each other?!) is teasing... a bit. I still have my '48 RRA and '49 Rudge Super Safety, my '51 Rudge De Luxe Sports, three Clubmans and yes two DL-1s (a gents and a ladies) in addition to my two foreign "mistresses": a '73 Cinelli and a '68 Peugeot PX-10. Italian and French girls do things that nice English ones do not, I will grant you, but my British Bike bona fides remain! My next addition is an authentic '75-75 TI Raleigh Team bike.

Thanks for the kind words re. "Roll Britannia" but remember it was Yahoo that killed it, not me.

P.C. Kohler


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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   19.5" Sports frame posted by: Kurt K on 9/26/2004 at 11:28:34 PM
I was going over some of the Raleigh brochures at Retro Raleighs today, and as I glanced at the page for the Raleigh Sports (DL22), I noticed the silver men's model as being availabile in a 19.5" frame size. No other color had the option of the small frame on the men's model (incedentally, this is the 1976 brocure).

I have seen the women's DL22L 19.5" frame (not to mention that I happen to own one), and we are all familiar with it. Likewise with the 21" and 23" DL22 men's frames - all things we have seen before. But a 19.5" men's?

Admittedly, the men's 19.5" must have not been ordered much - at 5'10", the 21" frame already cramps me and the women's 19.5" is no picnic either. However, smaller Raleigh frames interest me quite a bit (the large Sports and Tourist models don't appeal to me), and this 19.5" model has really sparked my interest.

Does anyone have a photo of such a frame, or any information about them? Did this size actually make it to production, and, if so, did they require a 3.5" steerer tube, vs the 5" on the 21" frames?

Any information would be appriciated.

All the best,

Kurt
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AGE / VALUE:   Easy lady, yes... I want it. posted by: Chris on 9/26/2004 at 1:04:13 PM
It was overdue! Picked up two Raleigh Sports. My usual complaining at the lack of bikes at the garage sales. "What are you looking for?" Old bikes. Nope! no old bikes here. Well, wait! Whats that? I didn't think of putting that out! Oh Great! Yes Thats for sale! It's my husbands! Oh He'll never miss it! Take mine too!" Oh she was so happy at making some money off of those old dusty forgotten Raleigh Sports!
"Nobody rides a 3 speed anymore!"
"Are you sure? Yes."
Yes, I'll have to wheel it home but I only live 6 blocks away. No more bike racks on the car after the last incident where the detail people decended on me and the car and asked questions, stared at me in disbelief! gave me grief and then demanded I let them fix it.
Geez it's only a deck lid!
She invited me off to the shed so we danced in a trance off across the yard and commenced to open up the shed to retrieve the ladies bike. They don't match, oh well. She gave me the dishes I wanted. She was so happy!
I was all believing her too! No bikes, just dishes and baby clothes. I moan aloud Baby clothes! Always baby clothes. Then I look up and see this Raleigh Sports and I say That's an old bike1 It's a Raleigh! I buy Raleigh's!
Oh Well... That will do!
They were cheap, the seller overjoyed to make a bit of spending money and I wheeled them home in shock because I have totally given up faith of finding anything anymore. I'm so perturbed at the lack of finding anything worthwhile that I drag myself around all grumbling about baby clothes and worthless schlock that every now and then when the vintage cycle/antique gods whom I serve decide to allow me a find here and there I can't believe it.
I'm eyeing Red Raleigh R nuts and pedals and origional handlebar grips. Dispite this latest find, I think it will be awhile before I find another old bike worth bringing home. It's like being out in the desert and crawling across on your belly in search of the lush oaisis filled with pools of water and fruit. That's what the tag sales here are like. Crawling around and not finding anything satisfying endlessly. Heller dishes, Gucci bags, old vintage chopsticks. Big deal! I nearly went into shock and passed out with the set of Blue Heaven dishes in my hand. Froze up, unable to speak, eyes twitching, unable to comprehend that yes, I made a good find. I asked her to wrap them up. You never see those anyplace and the seller did not know what she had. Gotta sell them quick before I drop them on the granite counter top! Anyways the quest for the most fabulous object in the world continues! I just hope that it won't need any parts and that if it does that I have to proper tools available to work on it!
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Easy lady, yes... I want it. posted by James on 9/27/2004 at 4:14:52 AM
I was in Victoria, BC a few weeks ago. There were at least two old british bikes in every street it seemed, I found two different pairs of matching Superbes, a BSA paratrooper turned into a three speed, three roadsters, a canadian raleigh roadster (red with white fenders) and a very similar CCM bike (orange with white fenders), quite a few Raleigh Sports with white fenders/chaincover (candian models?), some pre-war Phillips roadsters... The list could go on.

I suspect Victoria is where the good flea markets and garage sales are.
Of course I had to stop and look at every one of these bikes, It really annoyed the person I was with.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   More progress on the '76 Sports... posted by: Kurt K on 9/25/2004 at 6:31:40 PM
The 1976 Sports was removed off it's tempoary stand today. I mounted the front fork and wheelset (which will be replaced with a Westrick-Dyno/AW configuation) to it.

Below are two links to photographs of it, with an additional third at the end of this post.

http://www.jaysmarine.com/Raleigh_1976_1.jpg
http://www.jaysmarine.com/Raleigh_1976_3.jpg

Next project is the bronze 1971 Sports!

Take care,

Kurt


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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   More progress on the '76 Sports... posted by Steve on 9/26/2004 at 4:47:17 AM
Nice Work! Which paint did you use?
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   More progress on the '76 Sports... posted by David Poston on 9/26/2004 at 6:59:08 AM
Are those newish, replacement rims? They look brand-new.

David
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   More progress on the '76 Sports... posted by David Poston on 9/26/2004 at 7:03:13 AM
The rear tyre seems brand-new with the correct block tread. Where did you find it?

David
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   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   More progress on the '76 Sports... posted by Kurt K on 9/26/2004 at 1:58:58 PM
Steve, believe it or not, I used Dupli-Color automotive spray cans. (Ducks for tomato) It's hardly a close match to the watery-green that Raleigh used in the 1970s, but I wanted a richer, more elegant green anyway.

The front rim is a new Taiwan 36 spoke Endrick-style, David. The rear is an original Raieigh 1952 Westrick, complete with original spokes (which are litterally rust) and hub, which shines like new. I'm debating whether to use the '52 hub in the two excellent 1970 S-A Westricks that I will be using, or whether I should dig out a newer AW at the LBS, and display the '52. The front will have a 1946 Dynohub.

Both front and rear tires are Chen Shings. I haven't been able to try the angle tread tires yet, but I have two of the all-black block-tread tires on my '71, and they've held up pretty well, although the tread wears a bit quickly. They aren't expensive however.

If you want some of the blackwalls, I can get you them for $22.50/pair, or one for $11.25, not including S&H. Subject to their availability at Wal-Mart...and which casting the tire is from - some are better then others.

P.S.: I plan to use the silver-stripe tires on this '76, as they are the closest thing yet that I've found to the Raleigh white stripe tires shown in the '76 catalogue.

Take care!

Kurt
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gazelle posted by: Jim on 9/25/2004 at 1:48:46 AM
Does anybody have any info on the old Gazelle from Nottingham bicycle? Or does anyone have an old Gazelle bike for sale. This bikes before the 1950's
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gazelle posted by Bryan on 9/25/2004 at 8:56:52 PM
Jim,

I recently acquired a Gazelle, and I love it. Mine appears to be from 1930, based on the frame serial number. Its black with rod brakes and has an undated Sturmey Archer AW hub. It is in wonderful condition and rides great.

I haven't found much info on Gazelles yet, but I'm looking.
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MISC:   Cotter Pin Removal Tool posted by: Warren on 9/23/2004 at 12:07:40 PM
This tool has been highly recommended as cotter pin removal tool. Although it's from Briatin, I'm sure a similar tool can be found just about anywhere.

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=040211222
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   RE:MISC:   Cotter Pin Removal Tool posted by David on 9/26/2004 at 4:06:09 PM
It looks like it might do very well.
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MISC:   BSA folding bike posted by: Bob on 9/23/2004 at 4:33:15 AM
Just traded some items for a 3 spd 1969 folding bike. The head badge has the crossed rifles on it and the bike is painted green, with gold lettering that reads "Twenty". Anyone know what the collectability for these bikes might be? And where I can get a set of new tubes?
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   RE:MISC:   BSA folding bike posted by Tim on 9/24/2004 at 1:02:06 PM
It sounds like the same as a Raleigh Twenty. I started with one and now I have six. I always carry one in the boot, (trunk) of my car. It is very handy when I visit London or any of the cities where there are traffic restrictions. I just park in the outskirts and ride in. They are increasingly popular in the UK for this reason. New folders are very expensive and not that robust. Sheldon Brown has a site where he shows how to hop one up into a better machine. I have done similar things ranging from fitting an electric motor on one, changing the hub to a five speed, and one I have converted to a 10 speed deuraileur with cotterless cranks and SIS gears. They are great urban bikes, very nippy in traffic jams. I guess that tubes and tyres should be available in the US. These folders are very addictive so be carefull or you will end up with a shed full like me. If you search on the net for Raleigh Twenty you will find plenty of information. Raleigh badged them up as BSA and Triumph as well. They are solid, well made machines.

Regards,

Tim
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   RE:RE:MISC:   BSA folding bikes are cool but the paratrooper folder is something to look into. posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/24/2004 at 6:25:30 PM
I love these Raleigh 20 style folder bikes too, don't get me wrong. I have them and been messing around with them while studying Sheldons article.
Still to me, the real B.S.A. folding bike is the older paratrooper bike that uses the 26 inch, not the 20 inch wheels. The bike is far lighter with a frame type that makes for a really brisk, easy ride. There is something to that frame.

Overhaul an old one, with new bearings and cones and it glides along as new. Trick it out with a 4 speed hub and or hybrid gearing too. Use lightweight rims, modern tires, alloy seat post and handlebars.
I read an article in Cycling about this guy who wheeled around the world on one that he had converted to hybrid gearing 30 years ago.
This also fits in the boot of the car unless you drive a mini and then probably not. The whole bike folds in half and is more of a real bicycle than the Raleigh/Phillips/ Triumph/ Dunelt e.t.c. 20 inch wheel folding bike. Now when I say: "more of a real bike" I mean to say that it resembles more of the basic adult bike and it would probably go faster than the 20 inch wheel Raleigh 20.

It would be interesting to see a renewed interest in the old paratrooper bike and see folks hop these up like they collect and hop up the Raleigh 20. Hop up meaning improve, lighten, and change gearing.
Put the two up against each other after putting them through the paces. Compare the two weight wise and see what is better than the other.
Compare weight and manuverability and all that.
Look, I cannot really slam or put down the Raleigh 20 because Sheldon pioneered taking an old Raleigh 20 and improving on it and using it to commute and zip down a woods trail before the advent of the mountain bike. No really, read the Sheldon Brown article on the Raleigh 20!

He would have abandoned the 20's frame and moved onto sonmething else if that bikes frame held no potential but he went with the 20 and created the page and all that and spawned a re-interest in the 20.
Now, there have been others doing similiar hi-jinks with the same type bike. No, the renewed Raleigh 20 holds it's own.
But....
But against the improved and overhauled paratrooper bike? That would be interesting, nobody's done that not that I've seen on the net. Plus somebody was making and selling a 26 and 28in inch wheel version of the old B.S.A. Paratrooper bike still today. I ran across it while searching out new, old design, bikes.
Nobody has continued to keep making the old Raleigh 20 bike to my knowledge. Yivonne Rixe of Raleigh changed the color of the bike to white to appeal to customers and she sold more of the Raleigh 20 style shopper-version bikes. Then it was discontinued.
Am I wrong, or is it still being made. The same frame and basic bike. No I think it's gone.
Well, not really gone because they are still in demand and hold their value better that the Raleigh Sports. Usually. That can go both ways with the Sports/ Superbes fetching more that you''d think on e- bay. Plus, after folks see the Sheldon article on the folding 20 then they want to hop it up "A la Sheldon."
People on boats like the folding bike and the 20 is popular.
To me it's heavy. but in a folding bike you want a solid frame, I don't know. Perhaps the B.S.A. Paratrooper bike is not up to the woods trail after all? HMMMM..........
Remember that the paratrooper bike was issued for military use. They did not jump out of planes and invade with the heavier Raleigh 20 did they?
No.
Lets see someone jump and run and carry the heavy Raleigh 20. Then someone with a B.S.A. paratrooper bike.
You can get into a Raleigh 20 for 300.00 less than the older 26 inch B.S.A Paratrooper bike. That's before hopping up/improving it.
Just lost the auction against another bidder for an old, dinged up Paratrooper bike. Dang thing went up to 530.00!
I don't remember what the new, B.S.A. style paratrooper bikes sold for or even who was selling them. Lost the research on it.
Changing the Raleigh 20 over to like how Sheldon presented it is not exactly easy to do. You have to hunt up that fork and modify it lik Sheldon did.
That is not a thing you need to do with the B.S.A. paratrooper bike. Unless you want to, of course.
No, the Paratroper bike is a more easy bike to re- do.

Folding bikes are a wide topic. Many were made and still are beigh made. The best thing I can report is that: (and I'm realy excited about this)
The bus service here in my neck of the woods has something on the front of the bus that almost made me faint upon seeing it. It's very European, very sensible, very people friendly.
The bus I saw, and more bus's later all had this. It's a wonderful thing.
It was a bicycle rack on the front of the bus so you can carry your bike on the bus!
You don't understand, this is something we have never had here, ever. It's about time. I was crying after seeing it.
I want to kiss whomever got that to become reality. Most bus in the states here don't accomidate.Unless it's a small folding bike like the Raleigh 20, or a Brompton folder.
Sheldon was able to get the Raleigh 20 onto a bus where the more full size B.S.A folder, is more of a challenge getting past the driver and onto a bus.
When I say bus I am referring to the city bus that one takes to work. Not the Greyhound type bus.
Anyways, I want to referr everybody to the C.T.C.
(Cyclists Touring Club) and to the Folding Society.

Has anybody ever seen a 28 inch wheel rod brake tourist D.L.1. type bike that somehow folds or unscrews so it is easier to take along?

Still want that Reynolds 531 frame,28 inch wheel Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. type roadster bike only with a lightweight frame. None was ever made. Phillips made their roadsters with true temper steel but it was not any lighter than the Raleigh versions.
Also, if the Phillips was true temper steel, what type of steel was the Raleigh made of?
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   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   BSA folding bikes are cool but the paratrooper folder is something to look into. posted by Chris on 9/24/2004 at 6:48:03 PM
Seat posts.
One the Raleigh twenty you can use a modern, alloy, seat post with the modern clamps and use a wide, variety of modern seats.

With the B.S.A. paratrooper bike you can switch to an alloy post but this limits your choice of seats back to older style seats. Nobody has made a alloy seat post that fits the old 3- speed type bikes (that fits the 3 speed type frame) but is modern on top where the post attaches the new modern seats. You can get an alloy 3 speed type post but you are bound to the type of seats that go with that and that's old school seats like the beloved Brooks. There is a thing called the "Joe Breeze seat sandwich"
But doesn't that still limit your seat selection ruling out the latest modern seats? I think it does.
Not that the retro 3 speed type crowd is unhappy with their Brooks saddles. Far , far from it. And Brooks is still with us. They are offering small leather saddle bags, tool rolls again. Contact Wallingford bikes on that if you are interested.
On the seat front, there is a wide variety to choose from both new and collectable. I was pondering alloy posts between the B.S.A paratrooper bike and the Raleigh 20 and what all different seats can go on each bike.
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   RE:MISC:   BSA folding bike posted by sam on 9/25/2004 at 2:57:17 AM
Revised versions of the BSA paratrooper include the Trussardi(1982)from Milan,and the Galaxe(1986)by Niels Keld Madsen of Denmark.Come in 28" or 700 wheel size.From Bike cult by David Perry----sam
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   RE:RE:MISC:   BSA folding bike posted by Edward in Vancouver on 9/26/2004 at 11:54:18 PM
Sam, you must have a couple of twin brothers sharing your interest in bikes. The span and reach of your knowledge and connections is astounding...

Edward in Vancouver
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   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   BSA folding bike posted by Tim on 9/27/2004 at 9:27:03 AM
Hi,
Yes of course the BSA Pratrooper bicycle was more practical. These guys were expected to ride across Europe on them carrying a lot of kit. Unfortunately they fetch really high prices although you can still pick them up cheap in Holland in rural areas. Another alternative would be to fit couplings to a frame such as these, http://www.sandsmachine.com/. There are plenty of tube couplings available in the engineering industry. There are some really lightweight types that were used on US military aircraft to construct temporary racking in wide bodied cargo aircraft. From memory they pushed together and had a hex key locking mechanism. Making a bicycle fold is not difficult. The advantage of the Twenty is that the seatpost and stem also collapse. My money is still on the Twenty for commuting in the UK. Our local train service has just banned bicycles from rush hour services. Only machines that fold and can be carried on are allowed and then they must fit behind the seats, the twenty does this luckily.

Regards,

Tim
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