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AGE / VALUE:   Irish Humber posted by: Bryan on 11/4/2004 at 2:06:50 AM
One of the Humber Sports I got this summer at a yard sale says "Made in Ireland" instead of the usual "Made in England." Its an early 70's model. This is the first Irish Humber/Raleigh I've seen. Is there any story to this?
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Irish Humber posted by Chris on 11/4/2004 at 3:05:24 PM
Raleigh had a factory in Ireland. I heard that the wooden floor soaked up chemicals that had spilled over time and that a spark ignighted it and then the whole place went up?

I heard this from the Raleigh Chopper web site where somebody found Raleigh Chopper bikes with the made in Ireland sticker on a Chopper.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Irish Humber posted by Bryan on 11/5/2004 at 3:04:45 AM
Thanks Chris. Just the gem of info I was hoping to find as I prepare to gift this bike to my childhood next-door-neighbor friend. We've ridden bikes together all our lives, and I look forward to this next chapter.
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AGE / VALUE:   Irish Humber posted by: Bryan on 11/4/2004 at 2:06:50 AM
One of the Humber Sports I got this summer at a yard sale says "Made in Ireland" instead of the usual "Made in England." Its an early 70's model. This is the first Irish Humber/Raleigh I've seen. Is there any story to this?
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AGE / VALUE:   They are just bicycle pedals, put them down and drive! posted by: Chris on 11/3/2004 at 1:50:07 AM
I was off in the car and met the mail man. I saved him steps and said: I'll take that!
The package was my Phillips pedals! I tore open the package as I drove down the street! I'm at the intersection at the red light and I saw that these were better than in the picture, better than advertised. New, old, old stock Phillips pedals in mint condition. They go on the Phillips bicycle that I have!
Original mint with original grease! the word Phillips on the treads. Old school reflectors!
Not cheap but worth it, I bid it up like a nitwit so I would not miss out on them! I closed my eyes and smelled them! spun them back and forth and sat there grinning!

The light changed and I set them back carefully in the bubble wrap and drove on my way getting to my errands. The whole time waiting in anticipation of finding my wrench and putting them on the bike. I will not mention the seller except to me, he's a god! I'm jealous of him. I think those pedals saved me, these came in the mail after I learned the old shop in Detroit burned down. I needed that!
Can old rubber and grease and the smell of chrome steel intoxicate you?
Yes if you are into old bicycles or motorcycles or cars then, yes.

My favorite show on cable is called: Pimp my ride. They find somebody with an old beat up car and they totally re- do it. Great show! Part of the Sunday stew!
I love this show. I know of a Pierce Arrow limo I'd like them to send to West Coast Customs! My God!
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   They are just bicycle pedals, put them down and drive! posted by Matthew on 11/5/2004 at 10:30:16 PM
Chris,
I can empathise with you on this one (and your previous post) When the Lucas bell turned up from eBay I was like a child with a new toy. The first thing I needed to do was ring it, why? After all its a bell and thats what they do, so why ring it? Because it was there and I could! Do you find the smell of cycle oil intoxicating? (not sniffed in carrier bags in the corner of a car park). One of my favourite smells is when I walk back into my garage ten minutes after the twenty mile run home in my '91 mini. The whole building is steeped in warmth and miazmic essence which is hot exhaust and warm oil from the 998 (60cu") engine, wonderful, thank you Sir Alec.
On the subject of loss. I am only too glad to have had the joy of being accquainted with 'Jack' our local cycle repairer. Working from home, he always had a tale and we spent hours stood in his lock up talking cycles. he was a big cycle-motor man in his day and had owned a few different brands, BSA, Phillips, Vincent, etc. Often buying them cheap from car owners and revitalising them to sell on to youngsters needing a faster ride to work. He passed away four years ago and I found it difficult to visit his widow who was being treated for cancer at the time (she too sleeps the long sleep now), she offered the workshop contents to me, 'take what you want'. Jack had always been generous to me but I could not rummage through his belongings. She would sell the Brown Brothers workshop stand and wheel truing rig and I did not buy it. Yes now I have regrets which I cannot live with, so I lay them down and move on. The true value is not so much the things we miss out on, for money (if you have it) will get things, no the true value is people and experience. I cannot be robbed of the times I had with Jack and the joy of small discoveries we made together. I will grow more grey hair and stand in my workshop speaking to young men of my experiences and thus the debt I owe Jack is repaid. It would be wrong if it wasn't so. If we do not share, as you and I do here, we would be guilty of witholding evidence.

Ride on, ride on in majesty,

Matthew
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: They are just bicycle pedals, put them down and drive! posted by Brian on 11/7/2004 at 4:21:51 PM
Nice post Matthew. Your thoughts go right to the heart of the matter - it's the memories of our histories with people who share the love of vintage items & those experiences connected to them. The actual acquisition of product does, in the long run, serve as a reminder of those memories associated with them. When we relinquish our bikes & parts to someone we don't know (ebay,etc.), the buyer receives the item(s) - not our priceless memories associated with them.
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AGE / VALUE:    don't take the old shop for granted posted by: Chris on 11/2/2004 at 4:54:05 PM
It has been awhile since I was down there. I have been away from this board and busy. I have lost a dear friend. I call him up and tell him that I was going to come down, see him and poke about the shop.
Now sit down as I break it to you. It turns out the number was forwarded to another building where he is carrying on business.
He told me: "The shop caught fire" Lost everything. I am reeling at what that means. This was the oldest shop in Detroit. This was in the past, owned by the founder of Cyclopedia

Gene Pourterisi ( sorry for the inaccurate spelling) he also had another shop but that is gone. Now both are gone. We have lost the remainder of Detroit's cycle history as far as this shop was concerned. The area has undergone major changes and while the place was just a shadow of what it once was at least it was there. I haunted this place, picking out what I was able to. Should have bought it all and trucked it all out of there. This place gave a lot to us all. Much of what I have had in my collection was bought from this place. Hours of hours of solitude in sifting through the past was spent here. My soul is missing. As great as it is to be here among all of you this actual place was incredible. I cannot comprehend this. I have not gone down there to see it. He did not call, he lost my number. It was difficult to pull everything out so many goodies have been lost. I did my best to save things but he rarely gave things away I had to buy and not always did I know what to buy and bring home. I found more rare, interesting valuable , historic, marvelous things from that place. Back in the day they sold Flying Scot bicycles. The one I just sold was bought from that shop in 1956 and after I bought it from the lady last year I brought it back to the shop to show the current owner. More or less, I am knocked out of the game now. At least in spirit. I have lost my home and now am clinging to old roads and e- bay for solace. What do I tell you to do? What is my advice? Get a truck and buy up everything because if it not death of the owner or the place going under financially, it is something like a flood or the worst ever, fire.
I try to rescue things. Chasing the past chasing the wind. beating the scrap man. I am a regular archaeologist! I would have run in the place and they would be pulling me out telling me it was to late. I am emotionally shaken over this.
What will he have at the new place? It was the goodies, the ghosts, the history, the tings I did not have the knowledge about and yes, just the plain good sense to bring home. That is gone.
My other friend has had health problems and so I am going on without another mentor. This one is a person the other was a building. A grand, wonderful friend, who said:

Yes, come see me. I am in a bad area, you might get robbed and don't park near that fire hydrant. Come and see me and play. See my owner and he'll arrange you a deal. My former owner trained riders for the U.S. Olympics. Yes, this was Gene's place.
I got there late, missed it's glory picked through the ruins experienced awesome things. I was in the past in the quiet. sitting on the wood floor learning all I know from this place. While other bike mentors grinned and said little, this place brought me inside of it and taught me.
I have a few things, not much. There was a very old bicycle stand I was going to rescue. lost and I need a kick in my pants for missing out on it. Please shake your head at me. I failed to do better. I should have known this would happen one day.
All of you should be very jealous that I had this wonderland to play in and that you did not.

Tradgedy is no stranger to the bicycle shop, bicycle factory history.
(on another thought)
I asked someone a question once:

What happened to Mead Ranger, the company building, plans, notes, the business name?

It went away into the great bicycle shop in the sky he said. But not being cruel to me he loosened up and told me more. the buildings are gone, notes, plans, (he said) Now the surprise.

A distributor in Chicago wound up with some things ( what that is I don't know. I assume the company name , perhaps some actual things.

He committed suicide.

By the way, the guy who told me this, had recently had a heart attack. He's well known and served all of us well.

When you chase this and try to understand what happened and when you try to bring it back in any way you will be racing against time and learn things that will surprise you.

So... don't delay, buy it up now, don't assume it will be there in the future. this place was burned in the 67 riots and re-built and some parts I have like old skip tooth tandem chainrings have a black crust to them bbut this time everything is lost and I am assuming it has been cleaned up and it just a vacent lot now. I will have to go look but it will really sadden me to see it. These have been dark days for me. Sorry for having to break the bad news. Please have fun inthe old shop that is your favorite haunt and please do not was time.




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MISC:   Free Schwinns & CCM 3-Speeds Available posted by: Bob on 11/2/2004 at 2:58:06 PM
Just wanted to call your attention to the posting I just put in the "For Sale" Discussion Area, for free bikes available for pick up or local delivery on Cape Cod.
Bob
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Tourist de Luxe (DL-1) vs. Club de Luxe posted by: Christian Westberg on 11/2/2004 at 1:47:20 PM
I've just got some kind and qualified information conc. my 1980 'Raleigh Tourist de Luxe' (DL-1) with rod lever drum brakes and 28" wheels (very soon in the picture database).
One of my friends has a Raleigh 'Club de Luxe' also with rod lever drum brakes, but 26" wheels with lesser wheel base, different angled handlebars - else very similar.
Is there anywhere I can get some information and pics for him about this specific model?
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Tourist de Luxe (DL-1) vs. Club de Luxe posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/2/2004 at 3:20:23 PM
When I was in Denmark in 1983 and 1984, Raleigh offered traditional rod brake roadsters in both the 28" wheel ("DL-1") style and also the 26" wheel "Dawn" models. I recall there were about three variants per each with choice of drum or pull up brakes, gearcases etc. And even better: a choice of traditional colours: black, Raleigh Green or Rudge Maroon. Denmark was traditional roadster paradise! Alas the catalogue I got whilst I was in Copenhagen was lent to a local cycle shop here in Washington and I never got it it back. But surely there are Danish roadster collectors who must have catalogues? I'd like to see one of them posted on the Retro Raleighs site.

As a reminder, all of the frames for these machines were Nottingham-built. I have a Danish Raleigh actually as the original frame on my '79 Dl-1 suffered an almost unheard of frame fracture at the bottom bracket in 1983. True to Raleigh's Lifetime (theirs or mine?!) guarantee, they flew out a brand new frame and paid all labour. The frame I got had the Danish style classic Raleigh decals and a herons crest decal on the headtube instead of the metal one. They also flew the broken frame back to England for testing!

P.C. Kohler
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Tourist de Luxe (DL-1) vs. Club de Luxe posted by Christian Westberg on 11/2/2004 at 4:13:37 PM
Very interesting to hear about your Danish bicycle roots ! The bike you mention as 'Dawn' is - if I've understood it right - the Club de Luxe, also called 'Sport' in US and UK. Am I right?
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   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Tourist de Luxe (DL-1) vs. Club de Luxe posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/2/2004 at 6:45:13 PM
No... the "Sports" is generally a 26" wheel machine with cable operated caliper brakes whereas the "Dawn" is essentially the same machine but with rod brakes. Both had brazed backstays (at least post '48 for the Dawn) unlike the 28" wheel machines which had bolted on backstays.

The "Sports" was also sold in Denmark in various guises but I sure don't remember too many of them around.

P.C. Kohler
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Tourist de Luxe (DL-1) vs. Club de Luxe posted by James on 11/3/2004 at 4:19:29 AM
Photo of Club de luxe
http://www.raleighbikes.dk/showbikes.asp?menu_open=0&cykelkategori_year=3&cykelkategoriid=21&cykelkategori_year_activate=3
I'd always figured this was the danish Dawn but it is built like a roadster with bolted seat stays, never noticed that before. The model listed above it appears to be a sports with chaincase. It appears the DL1 is available only with a 24" frame.
I have a hard time looking at that webpage, I used to see these bikes (or dutch raleighs?) at fleamarkets in germany and never bought one and to think what I could have bought instead of wasting my money on a novelty east german bike.


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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Tourist de Luxe (DL-1) vs. Club de Luxe posted by Christian Westberg on 11/3/2004 at 6:50:30 AM
Thanks so much for information and link. I am still looking for the Club de Luxe (Sports) with rod lever and drum brakes, like the one owned by a friend of mine. You don't see that model very often - even here in Copenhagen, which is the more frequent place to meet these models. Any day I will have a pic of my DL-1 with rod lever drum brakes in the database, and I will soon add with a pic of the Club de Luxe also with rod lever drum brakes. Thanks everybody for info.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Update on my Superbe posted by: Mark Rehder on 11/2/2004 at 7:41:07 AM
Hi gang,

I finally found a old but useable Brooks B-66 for my '71 Superbe, and an old Arrowsmith saddlebag to go with it. I'm not really the sort to fuss over a bike being "correct", but it's kind of nice to have the right vintage bits on the old bike.

Photos at my website: http://drumbent.com/superbe.html

Cheers, Mark
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1975 Sports...once again! posted by: Kurt K on 10/31/2004 at 11:13:37 PM
1976, 1974 or 1975 Sports? I can't seem to make up my mind, can I?

The acquisition of a beautiful April 1975 Sturmey-Archer AW hub (with 40 holes, believe it or not) took care of that - it now resides on the Sports, spoked into the Westrick rim with new stainless spokes. I believe the hub is NOS, even though it was in a basket of older, used AWs at the LBS where I got it.

The front fork and fender were finished a few weeks ago, with fork thimbles from Tom Gentilella. Calipers are from Robert Box.

Those of you who saw the last set of photos I posted will note that, like the back, the front rim has been replaced with an original S-A Westrick as well. That's a 1946 Dynohub that's spoked in up front.

The tires are Chein Shin silverwalls, and give the bike a double-dose of elegance - they look far better then blackwalls or gumwalls (although I'm sticking with the blackwalls on my '71).

Next on the agenda: An original Raleigh handlebar and handlebar stem, N.O.S. Raleigh black ribbed brake cables (and NOS cable clips that I found at the LBS!), S-A headlight, headbadge rivets (got the headbadge already), sandblast, smooth, and paint the rear fender, and a couple other odds and ends.

I have two photos below - the photo shows the '75 Sports, and the typed link shows both my '75 and the '71.

http://www.jaysmarine.com/1971_1975_etc.jpg

Enjoy the photos!

All the best,

Kurt


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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL21 model run posted by: Kurt K on 10/29/2004 at 11:36:05 PM
I'm pretty sure that the Raleigh DL21 model was phased out in the mid to late 1950s, but have not found the exact year - anyone know the answer to this?

-Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: DL21 model run posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/30/2004 at 2:35:31 AM
You mean the Raleigh no. 21 Trent Sports? This was introduced about 1951 and shows in the 1956 catalogue as such. It also appears in the 1960 one as model 71. I believe this was in production at least through 1964. It's one of Raleigh's most popular models although I don't think it was ever exported to the US.

I'll always remember the absolutely mint '57 black Trent Sports with dynohub and perfect original celluloid mudguards on eBay (UK) that sold in the end for £5!

P.C. Kohler
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: DL21 model run posted by Kurt K on 10/31/2004 at 10:39:59 PM
Trent Sports, eh? So that's what it's called. My only reference on this model was Sheldon's 1952 catalogue on Retroraleighs.com, which lists the model simply as the "Sports" - model 21 and 21L.

http://www.retroraleighs.com/catalogs/1951-england/pages/10-sports-drop.html

Paint scheme resembles some of the U.S. 1967-71 DL22s quite a bit.

Take care!

Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: DL21 model run posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/31/2004 at 10:54:17 PM
Remember Raleigh recycled model numbers. The 21 you mention, Sports, went out of the production at the end of the 1951 model year and the number revived the following year for the Trent Sports.

P.C. Kohler
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: DL21 model run posted by Kurt K on 10/31/2004 at 11:08:39 PM
Ah - clears that up.

One last question - if the Sports was discontinued in '51, what year did the Sports Light Roadster inherit the Sports name?

Thank you very much for all your help Peter!

Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: DL21 model run posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/1/2004 at 4:02:21 PM
I don't have my Raleigh catalogues at work (surprise!), but I am pretty sure it was in 1952. This was a big year for Raleigh with a number of models discontinued and new ones introduced. Or as the case with the Sports Light Roadster, rebranded.

The old Sports was essentially a 2030 steel framed club bike and was replaced by the Trent. The Sports we all think of was really a misnomer.. there was little "sporty" about it. It was really what is was named in the first place a light roadster meaning caliper brakes, hockey stick chainguard etc. Light in comparison with a no. 1 or Dl-1 or an American coaster bike only! But truth to tell, the "club" Sports was not much lighter, its main virtue being its lighter 26 x 1 1/4" Endrick rims.

The rarest of all Sports is the 1947-48 "Super Sports" which I have had the good fortune of seeing a perfectly restored example of in the UK. This had a 2030 steel frame but fancy cutaway lugs, Clubman type forks, light Dunlop Endrick rims, celluloid mudguards and close ratio hubs with wingnuts. It was also painted orange with black lining... VERY daring for Raleigh of the era. These were made under residual WW2 restrictions and thus a lot of the usually chromed fitments were black enamelled. In production for barely a season, it's as rare a Raleigh as you'll find. The owner bought it a cycle jumble sale for.... £10!!

P.C. Kohler
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AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist De Luxe posted by: Christian Westberg on 10/29/2004 at 2:00:38 PM
Hi out there !
I'm from Denmark and new in this forum.
I have a question for you guys that you perhaps can halp me to solve.
I have a black men's Raleigh Tourist De Luxe with rod lever and drum brakes.
Thee number on the frame underneath the saddle is:
WAR87367U.
I have found some numbers on the back wheel hub which says:
80 10

Can some of you help me to date my good old faithful bike ?

Thanks in advance and best regards
Christian
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist De Luxe posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/29/2004 at 4:57:55 PM
An easy one (for a change): November 1980 or if you want to be more precise, the hub was made then and given the usual lagtime, it means your machine was most likely assembled early 1981. If it's one of those gorgeous Danish roadsters, I think the frame and hub came from Nottingham but it may have been assembled in Denmark.

I remember seeing and admiring all of the lovely, traditional Raleighs in Copenhagen which rivals Amsterdam as the best cycle friendly city in the world. And some of the best looking lady cyclists too.....!

P.C. Kohler
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist De Luxe posted by Christian Westberg on 10/30/2004 at 7:49:03 AM
Dear P. C. Kohler!
Thanks so much for your swift and informative answer, but doesn't 80 10 mean that it was made October 1980 - or am I wrong ?
You're right though - you still see lots of well-kept Raleighs in the streets of Copenhagen.
Strangely enough - I have surfed on numerous websites on Raleighs, but haven't come across any poictures of a 'DL-1' with rod lever and drum brakes. Maybe you know of some links.
Best regards
Christian Westberg
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh Tourist De Luxe posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/30/2004 at 3:31:12 PM
Of course, stupid mistake.. 10.80 is OCTOBER not November '80!

The rod brake activated drum brakes were common in the UK before the war, but Denmark is surely the only country where it seemed so prevalent after the war and most of the new 1970s-80s roadsters came with this set-up. We won't talk about Danish weather and the need for drum brakes... !

P.C. Kohler
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh Tourist De Luxe posted by James on 10/30/2004 at 4:55:57 PM
I'd like to know who makes the rod brake mechanisms for the current drum brake danish raleighs and Gazelle. Might make for a nice upgrade on a Nottingham roadster. Like P.C. said it was the standard on danish and dutch roadsters for quite some time, now only a few danish raleigh and gazelle models, use it.
I just bought a drum brake Union roadster, just in time for week long rain storms ahead in Or.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh Tourist De Luxe posted by Christian Westberg on 10/30/2004 at 7:25:25 PM
I'd like to express my thanks once again to P. C. Kohler and Danish Jacob Poulsen, who very quickly helped me date my good old faithful October 1980 rod lever/drum brake 'Tourist de Luxe' Raleigh.
I didn't know that Denmark was one of the only countries who imported post war Raleighs with drumbrakes - but perhaps no wonder as P. C. Kohler says, because of the humid and wet climate. The crome levers along the frame and the crome hubs give the bike a majestic appearance.
Once again thanks out there for kind help and information.

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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh Tourist De Luxe posted by James on 11/2/2004 at 5:57:52 AM
Does anyone in denmark know what front hubs are used on current non-drum brake Raleigh Sports/tourist/roadsters in denmark? Is it the traditional raleigh front hub or now a standard hub with lock nuts and if so, would it work on an older Raleigh? I'd like to find a good quality dutch, danish or whatever front hub that wouldn't require any modification of the fork. The front hubs on my 1980s dutch bikes are all the standard type with locknut and fit in Raleigh forks.
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AGE / VALUE:   PRE WAR CLUB BIKE posted by: smity on 10/29/2004 at 3:24:58 AM
Just got a bike. I bought it for Chater Lea crank set. I am trying to figure out the make of it. There are no decals or badges and it has been resprayed. Here are soom clues. It has key hole lugs. The fork has its rake bent in the last 5 inches or so and chromed the last 6 inches . It looks a lot like a pre war paramount but it has forward opening rear drop outs whitch are very plane. It has a integral head set with a clamp bolt. The most odd thing is that it looks like the head badge was held on with 4 screws or rivets. I would think this clue would tell the most since most frames only use 2. The top tube is very long. It has a 56cm st and a 58 cm tt. It also has long stays. It has numerous braze ons but it is hard to tell witch if any are original. The parts are so varied that I don't think they mean much. The oddist thing as far as the parts go is a set drop bar brake levers that have the words "Grimpeur" "gloria" on them. They are will made aluminium. They have wedge bolt that tightens them to the bar.I think they are french.The calipers are old steel Schwinn Biult. The frame is threaded english with tipical english reynolds diameters. Any ideas about the frame or levers would be great. The pics on CR website are not detailed enough to tell any thing. Thanks
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PRE WAR CLUB BIKE posted by sam on 10/30/2004 at 12:58:00 PM
The Chater Lea cranks can be given a general date,pre-war/post war etc. ,as they did change styles somewhat.But you would have to find an expert on them.The dropouts may also be Chater Lea the ones on the Russ tandem were plain-had Chater Lea stamped on the inside. found it after removing the paint.Suppilers like Brown Bro. sold compleat frame kits(tubes/lugs/dropouts)to builders.So sometimes very hard to impossible to pin down the builder.You might try removing the paint a little at a time to see if you can find a decal(or ghost of one)---sam
Gloria bits were also supplied by Browns
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AGE / VALUE:   never again................again posted by: sam on 10/28/2004 at 10:58:15 PM
Said to myself "I'll never sandblast another frame,too dirty"---I'll be washing sand out of my ears for a week after doing the Russ Tandem frame.But I do love uncovering the Chater Lea name on the dropouts and the small "CL" stamped on the head tube lug.Chater Lea headset and BBs too.I plan on a nice dark hunter green with what I call "British all weather"(painted Black)chrome bits.---sam
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   never again................again posted by Smity on 10/29/2004 at 3:35:52 AM
Ya thats what I said after I sandblasted and painted my old western flyer wagon i got in 1964. I ended up in the emergecey room to get sand out of my eye. That darn wagon ended up costing a lot but I do it all over again.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Oil Port posted by: Lawrence Bradley on 10/28/2004 at 5:58:48 PM
One of my Raleigh Sports has a nifty lubrication port/nipple on the bottom bracket. My old Hetchin had something like it too. Does anyone was the time span that the Sport had this fitting?
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Oil Port posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/29/2004 at 5:01:59 PM
Check out Sheldon Brown's site for the useful Raleigh Sports timeline.. I think it pins down the approximate date when the oiler was deleted. I believe it was c. 1957. This was in deference to the improvements in synthetic greases to pack hubs. In the old days, grease needed periodic "ginning up" with copious amounts of that one essential ingrediant for British bikes: OIL.

P.C. Kohler
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Oil Port posted by Warren on 11/2/2004 at 12:12:29 PM
I have both a 59 Superbe and a 61 Sports that still have the oil port but I haven't checked the serial numbers on the frames, I'm just using the SA hub dates. I'll get back to you later.
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MISC:   Headbadge rivets posted by: Kurt K on 10/27/2004 at 11:42:32 PM
I recieved the new headbadge for my 1976 Sports from Vinny here at Oldroads just a few weeks ago - I'm about ready to put it on, but have yet to purchase the rivets for it.

I found this fellow on Ebay, selling a pack of 12 new tap-in rivets:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=420&item=2279477016&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

One or two of his feedbacks however, complain that the rivets were too big to fit. Has anyone here bought rivets from this fellow, and found them to be either too large or small?

Thanks all for your input!

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:MISC:   Headbadge rivets posted by louis on 10/28/2004 at 7:44:31 PM
kurt -

just replaced the headbadge on a 70's twenty after painting, and the measurements i came up with were diameter 3/32" X len 1/8". the hole measured closer to 1/16th, but mostly due to paint thickness. anyway, based on what the rivets i used look like and the image of those, they seem much too big.

my suggestion is to get out the trusty calipers and have a look at the rivets on mc master carr (http://www.mcmaster.com/). they have just about every possible size of round head solid aluminum rivets, which are a pretty good match for the originals.

louis
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