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Archived: English Roadsters







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Marfield posted by: Jan on 3/23/2004 at 11:31:01 PM
Does anyone know anything about the Marfield Cruiser? I have been unable to find any information about it but stumbled across a really good looking one on ebay...







MISC:   Indian built B.S.A and Hercules bicycles posted by: Mark on 3/23/2004 at 7:31:13 PM
Hi, Does any one have any info on how to obtain a new Indian built Hercules or B.S.A roadster. They all appear to be single speed, rod braked and have full or half chain casesand sprung leather "Brooks" type saddles.
I have tried emailing bicycle shops in india, but have found none willing to ship to Canada. these bikes sell retail in India for around $40 to $60 U.S, and look so cool.
Thanks,
Mark


   RE:MISC:   Indian built B.S.A and Hercules bicycles posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/24/2004 at 4:13:04 AM
Well, these are not "Hercules" or B.S.A., but are Indian manufactured. And not nearly as economical as $60

http://www.yellowjersey.org/EASTMAN.HTML

We have had many a discussion here regarding what might be the dubious quality of these asian mfgd. Roadsters. I for one have not laid eyes on one in person yet. Supposedly there was someone in Northern NJ that was selling them on the cheap as well, but the contact info was lost in an at-work server shuffle of some sort.

Perhaps the info will surface once again as to where these may be procured.

Either way, you may just want to keep an eye out as they do turn up on Ebay and possibly other places.

Seeing as "Spring Cleaning" is just around the corner and the Yard Sale season as well... I'm sure keeping my eyes peeled.

Regards,

Larry "Boneman" Bone


   RE:RE:MISC:   Indian built B.S.A and Hercules bicycles posted by Mark on 3/24/2004 at 5:24:51 AM
Thanks Larry.
If you are interested check out

www.ticyclesindia.com

Thanks,
Mark

   RE:MISC:   Indian built B.S.A and Hercules bicycles posted by James on 3/24/2004 at 7:16:49 AM
momovelo.com has or had chiense Flying Pigeons, better looking than the indian bikes probably better built- they even have the "The All Steel bicycle" transfer on the top tube, they also have used japanese roadsters. you might want to go here threespeedbicycles.com for info on where to get an indian bike. Not all indian bicycles are equal, I recall reading that some bikes are of decent quality, it might be TI while others are crap, I don't know who makes the eastman roadster sold by yellowjersey. The indian bikes i've seen on the street are "vintagebicycle(s?).com" - that is the name on the downtube. Someone is selling a BSA on ebay, a 23 inch sports.

   RE:MISC:   Indian built B.S.A and Hercules bicycles posted by James on 3/24/2004 at 7:25:43 AM
The problem with asian roadsters is they come completely disassembled, you have to build the wheels, install bottom bracket etc. Labour included they are not cheap here, if you can live without 28inch wheels and rob brakes you can get a nice bike for a lot less than what yellowjersey charges for it's indian bikes. I just bought a 1940s Rudge Whitworth with dynohub for $150.
see also recyclesonline.com for overhauled dutch bikes, the webpage hasn't been updated, he has a lot more bikes in his garage, most of these bikes are 3 speeds and have drum brakes. He might have some danish or dutch built Raleigh sports, unlike the nottingham bikes these have full chaincovers. his bikes go for $150-250, $250 gets you a newer Gazelle with proper brakes, 3 speed, generato and lights, rack full chaincover etc, they actually stop in the rain.






FOR SALE:   1972 Raleigh Sports 3 speeds posted by: MAX on 3/23/2004 at 4:01:31 PM
i have a 1972 Raleigh Sports 3 speeds for sell on ebay
check it out

# 2234006734

tks

Max







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by: Mike on 3/23/2004 at 7:03:39 AM
Hi, I recently picked up a Hercules on ebay for $10, anyone know anything about these bikes? I'm familiar with Raleigh and Phillips, but Hercules I'm new to. How is the quality of the workmanship on these bikes in general? I'm guessing that it's a 60s or at the latest early 70s model, though I haven't had a good look at the hub yet (it hasn't arrived yet). Are these bikes worth the effort to fix up and put on the road? I saw the bike for $10 and figured for that much I couldn't really go wrong. It has all the trademark Raleighesque pieces (ridged fenders, white reader fender with reflector). Thanks for the help.


Mike


   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Hercules posted by Mike on 3/23/2004 at 4:52:58 PM
2234046355 is the item number, missing transmission cable and shifter, I'm guessing it would take the plastic faced S-A as original, but that's just a guess. The item desc. also says that only a 2 is visible where the date should be on the hub.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Hercules posted by Mike on 3/23/2004 at 5:02:36 PM
2234046355 is the number. Also, where the date should be on the hub there is only a number 2 apparently, as the seller could not find the hub date and only found a 2 instead. I'm guessing it would mean 1962 or 1972 I'm not sure which.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by Mark on 3/23/2004 at 7:42:21 PM
Hi,
If your Hercules is from the 60's or 70's it was most likely built at the Nottingham Raleigh factory, has Raleigh bought out the old Hercules company, but continued to build bikes with the Hercules name.
What you have is a Raleigh sports with Hercules decals on it.
hope this was helpful,
Mark.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by Mike on 3/23/2004 at 11:31:33 PM
2234046355 is the item number, missing transmission cable and shifter, I'm guessing it would take the plastic faced S-A as original, but that's just a guess. The item desc. also says that only a 2 is visible where the date should be on the hub. Mark said earlier that it's most likely a Raleigh Sports bike with Hercules decals and badge on it. I would agree, it looks like my early 70s sports in many respects. Anyone have anything else?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by sam on 3/24/2004 at 12:10:19 AM
The 4 bands --it was sold by AMF---sam

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by Mike on 3/24/2004 at 5:00:11 AM
So that means it was Raleigh-made AMF sold? Or was it AMF made and sold? I am not familiar with the AMF brand, any thoughts on it?

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by Beth on 3/24/2004 at 5:02:20 AM
Damn Damn Damn Damn Damn Damn Damn!!!!!!!!
I have been bloody well looking for one of this vintage for a while for a project. It was also in my area, and you bought it for ten bucks.... oy, some days the gods hate me.
As to your question, The banding is identical to mine dated 5 65. So I'd guess it's 1962 rather than '72. You are correct on the shifter. Mine has the plastic face, with the metal, red, and orangeness. The have had a couple for sale on oldroads recently. Hope that helps.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by Mike on 3/23/2004 at 7:10:51 AM
Sorry to double post here, but as a further note, it has 4 bands on the seat tube, they appear to be decals/transfers, does that give away a year on the model. I won't actually see the bike for a couple weeks since I'm away at school and it's getting shipped to my house for work to be done on it this spring and summer. Thanks again.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by GMS on 3/23/2004 at 3:30:10 PM
whats the ebay # so we can take a look!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by sam on 3/24/2004 at 4:09:33 PM
It being a 1962 it was built by Raleigh.Most likely assimbled in the AMF wheelgoods division plant in Little Rock Ar.(this plant closed in 1965)---AMF stands for American Michine & Foundry--owned Harley for a while-owned roadmaster/cleveling welding,owned Holliday Rambler trailers----etc...

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by Mike on 3/29/2004 at 4:16:44 AM
Correction: it's a 1972 I think, the chain guard is hockey stick style, not the triangular one. Does that change things much?






WANTED:   Raleigh Sports or Superbe posted by: Mike on 3/23/2004 at 3:42:33 AM
I'm in the market for a Raleigh sports 50s-70s preferably. Anyone have any for sale, and prices? Preferred colors are black and Bronze Green.


   RE:WANTED:   Raleigh Sports or Superbe posted by MAX on 3/23/2004 at 4:05:11 PM
i have one for sell on ebay

# 2234006734






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   NOS (?) DL-1 posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/23/2004 at 2:38:40 AM
Aside from the seat (and that may be just a cover over the saddle) this bike looks like it was just uncrated and assembled. Of course, priced accordingly, but very nice nonetheless!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3667510953&category=42312

Regards,

Larry "Boneman" Bone


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   NOS (?) DL-1 posted by David on 3/24/2004 at 1:50:14 AM
80s? Pretty new, in any case.






AGE / VALUE:   Painting chrome parts posted by: David Poston on 3/22/2004 at 4:25:13 AM
Can anyone offer any suggestions or warnings regarding painting chrome parts? I have no access to power tools of any kind, just sandpaper and elbow grease. I am interested in painting a chrome "Elite" cycle lantern black to emulate pre-war specs. Don't worry, I am not considering painting any parts which are exposed to friction or rubbing (rims, for example). Do you think I will have decent success with sandpaper removing enough chrome to prime?

David


   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Painting chrome parts posted by sam on 3/24/2004 at 2:57:52 AM
Yes just any of the oven cleaners--wal-mart or HEB. The paint you plan on using will need a lot of dry time to cure hard--expect it to dry to touch in a day and since this is a light and shouldn't get hit you can mount it in a few days but this paint--any brush on--will take a long time to cure hard.--sam PS I have a Claud Butler frame someone brush painted many years ago--an't lookin forward to stripping that frame,paints hard and thick!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Painting chrome parts posted by sam on 3/22/2004 at 3:24:58 PM
Yes,but you really don't need to remove the chrome,just need to ruff up the polished shine it has.I'd use a fine wet/dry sandpaper and sand wet.You want an even dull haze look.You might also try some oven cleaner on the light and letting it set then a good wash.Oven cleaner is an acid and may help etch the chrome for a better paint--be sure the wash gets it all off.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Painting chrome parts posted by Dick on 3/23/2004 at 3:12:15 PM
And then there's black chrome. But maybe that would be too shiney for the effect you are looking for.
Dick

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Painting chrome parts posted by David Poston on 3/23/2004 at 3:56:50 PM
Is there a name for the acid oven cleaner? Might I find it at the local Wal-Mart or hardware store?

For priming, I was just going to use Rustoleum "Automobile Primer" followed by One Shot sign enamel (oil based). Do you think this will work?

Thanks,
David.






WANTED:   Hercules Royal Prince 1953 - 1957 posted by: Jim Dean on 3/22/2004 at 1:46:03 AM
Greetings,

I would like to find a nice Hercules Royal Prince like the one I bought new in 1953. It was ruby red with 26 X 1 3/8 tires, 3 speed, hand brakes, and generator head light.I enjoyed that one in my teenage years and would like to enjoy another one in my retirement years.

Kindest Regards,
Jim Dean


   RE:WANTED:   Hercules Royal Prince 1953 - 1957 posted by schwinnderella on 3/22/2004 at 2:13:51 AM
I have a black Hercules royal prince for sale,I do not like to ship , if you are in the Chicago area and you are interested let me know and I will get you a picture and price.






AGE / VALUE:   Age posted by: florence on 3/21/2004 at 4:21:59 PM
I have a Randor Parexcellence 10 speed lady bike. I can not find any information about it. I want to know the company who made it? The year? and how many are were made? Please if anybody have idea about the information on it let me know.







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend in Phila returns posted by: Michael McGettigan on 3/21/2004 at 3:33:34 PM
Greetings -- just a note to give the date of the 8th (or 9th?) Annual Great British Bike Weekend in Philadelphia.
May 14-15-16 will see 25 to 50 fans and riders of Nottinghanm roadsters converge on Philly to ride around, visit an English-style craft brewery and a Mini-Cooper shop, go on a train ride and a bike and pub crawl, and much more. We'll find time to visit Via Bicycle and bug Curtis about his incredible collection of classic parts and bikes.
(yes, that's a new date for this event--usually held in April)
The newly-formed New England Section of the Veteran Cycle Club of England is expected to be in attendance, astride rigorously-restored wheels.

All in all, a wholesome, completely non-computerized experience!

For more info, please email mcget@aol.com or visit www.trophybikes.com

thanks for reading (and riding)
cheers
Michael McGettigan
Trophy Bikes 3131 Walnut St. Philadelphia PA USA
215.222.2020


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend in Phila returns posted by dash on 3/24/2004 at 2:31:24 AM
I remember 15 years ago, the old, old Via, on Locust St....I would go in and wander around after school. Curtis eventually took me upstairs and showed me his personal collection. I picked out a beautiful '57 Firestone cruiser. Still have it, and with the beautiful DL1 that Brian K. and Curtis set up for me, those bikes got me through college. My son is now big enough for the Firestone. We make quite a pair now, riding through the suburbs. Those were the days, paying for a tune up and a pair of Dare grips with a six of Murphy's.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need a 32 hole 26 x 1 3/8 SA rim in GC posted by: Brian on 3/21/2004 at 2:22:16 PM
Anyone got a 32 hole 26" SA rim in good condition they would part with/sell for a fair price?







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Nice Sports posted by: Warren on 3/21/2004 at 4:20:20 AM
Here's a nice Sports in pristine condition with less that a day to go...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2232316637&category=420

I like em in black


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Nice Sports posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/21/2004 at 11:19:36 AM
Yeah, I saw this when it first came on and thought it was a fine example. Right frame size for me as well.

It IS rather interesting... at $125 I daresay this one would be worth it. Even more. Some of the Sports that have been selling HIGH were not nearly as nice.

P.C. should email the winner and see if they might be interested in a pair of correct grips for it. *S*

Regards,

Larry "Boneman" Bone






FOR SALE:   Rudge Club bike on eBay posted by: P.C. Kohler on 3/19/2004 at 4:15:51 PM
Lovely Rudge Ulster Sports club bike on eBay (UK)... 1950, alloy hub, original and gorgeous.

Amazing folks spending real money on boring 'ol Raleigh Sports and DL1s and these rare ones get passed by..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2232279085&category=420

P.C. Kohler


   RE:RE:RE:hay Larry posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/24/2004 at 12:17:52 AM
Yeah, doggone it. Missed by mere seconds.

Oh well... that only means there's a nicer one out there just waiting for me to get my hands on it!

Regards,

Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:FOR SALE:   Rudge Club bike on eBay posted by P.C Kohler on 3/19/2004 at 4:20:31 PM
Correction: she's 1954 and actually exactly 50 years old this month!

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Rudge Club bike on eBay posted by David Poston on 3/19/2004 at 5:24:16 PM
What amazes me is that this pre-Raleigh Phillips 28" roadster only has one bid with two days left to go:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2232440847&category=35961

Sadly, I can't afford another bike.

David

   RE:FOR SALE:   Rudge Club bike on eBay posted by Mike on 3/19/2004 at 7:10:57 PM
I'm seriously considering the Phillips, it is a nice model and less common than the Raleighs. I've been looking for an old Rod Brake 28" for a while.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Rudge Club bike on eBay posted by Mike on 3/19/2004 at 7:50:23 PM
Do these models usually come with chaincase? Are the rod brake levers on the handlebars too low? They almost look as if you can't reach them from the bars.

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Rudge Club bike on eBay posted by P.C Kohler on 3/19/2004 at 7:59:16 PM
By the way, the same seller with the Rudge Ulster has a wonderful Raleigh Popular no. 1 (the UK DL-1) in a RARE 26" frame....

Regarding gearcases, remember that pre-war they were usually an extra cost option on the basic roadsters. The Popular in question a case in point and sans gearcase.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Rudge Club bike on eBay posted by Geoff Rogers on 3/19/2004 at 8:01:32 PM
Most of those big roadsters did indeed have gearcases,especially back then. The front brake lever (remember,right is front on older Brit bikes so you can signal with the hand nearest the center of the road) is certainly bent down.Somebody fell off and grabbed the lever on the way down, if you ask me.

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Rudge Club bike on eBay posted by David Poston on 3/19/2004 at 8:39:02 PM
Yes, P. C. is right. We are obsessed with chaincases, but back then, it was often an option, not standard fitment. However, with a beautiful P H I L L I P S chainring, who would want a chaincase, anyway?

There's also a 1955 Phillips club bike on e-bay right now, too. Do a search for "Phillips bicycle."

David

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Rudge Club bike on eBay posted by David Poston on 3/19/2004 at 8:41:14 PM
Yes, P. C. is right. We are obsessed with chaincases, but back then, it was often an option, not standard fitment. However, with a beautiful P H I L L I P S chainring, who would want a chaincase, anyway?

There's also a 1955 Phillips club bike on e-bay right now, too. Do a search for "Phillips bicycle."

David

   RE:RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Rudge Club bike on eBay posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/20/2004 at 12:06:52 AM
Allright you guys... the only reason why any of you are drooling over what should be MY freakin' PHILLIPS Roadster is that Matt Devlin lost my doggone Email address.... and couldn't get ahold of me to see if I would be interested in procuring it directly (I had him "on the lookout" for a DL-1 or similar machine). Oh well... so be it.

I had literally procured a TRUCKLOAD of English bikes from this feller. He's quite the Schwinn man. Actually... I think he has anyone in this NG beat HANDS DOWN regarding a bicycle collection. I'm serious.... I went down into his "basement" and my jaw hit the floor! I asked him... how many? "Oh, well, I've got about 700 or so down here... and another 200 or so at my parents house."

All lined up precisely, axle to axle, from one end of the house to the other....

And of course, sorted by type, vintage, condition and colour.

And the real scary part was there was not a speck of dust on ANY of them.

So, whoever wins the auction, if you're not too distant from the Albany, NY area, PICK THE BIKE UP. It will be worth the trip just to see this amazing and impressive collection. Kinda like a free trip to an antique Schwinn museum!

Oh... and he also probably has sufficient frames and part to put together another 100 bikes as well.

And you thought YOU had a lot of bikes!

Regards!

Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Rudge Club bike on eBay posted by David Poston on 3/20/2004 at 7:24:47 AM
Larry, it's all yours, with only one bid so far (last time I checked)! Don't worry, I won't bid on this one. Yes, that Matt Devlin fellow does seem to have a good cache. In fact, I got my New Hudson ladies 28" roadster from him for a good price. Now, I was wondering how I am going to fit SEVEN bikes in my garage when my Sunbeam arrives . . . As for 700 . . . Is the guy married?

David

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Rudge Club bike on eBay posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/20/2004 at 11:15:19 AM
Yes, Matt is married. I met his wife. A very nice lady. As to storing 7 bikes... I'm sure Matt could give you some pointers! He certainly was helpful loading 12 Sports / Sprites into the back of my little S-10 pickup truck! I'm sure he could give ya some pointers!

Regards!

Larry "Boneman" Bone

   hay Larry posted by sam on 3/20/2004 at 3:03:52 PM
Larry that's a nice Phillips--I think the rear brake is a replacement.The bolt hole in the front is for the original brake bracket.---sam

   RE:hay Larry posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/20/2004 at 4:39:41 PM
That was exactly MY suspicion as well. I'm keepin' an eye on it. Problem is, I win the auction, I'm gonna show up at his house to pick it up.... and he's going to load me up again....

Uhhh... wait a second... why would that be a problem?

heh heh heh.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone


   RE:RE:hay Larry posted by Mike on 3/22/2004 at 6:09:17 AM
The price went up over double in like the last 5 minutes, I don't know who won though, I don't think anyone here.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Rudge Club bike on eBay posted by Michael C. on 3/6/2005 at 1:31:44 PM
Well, folks, yours may be the info center I'm looking for. So, please pardon me if my memory is screwed up when I ask if I am rmembering the correct bicycle. I have in mind this olive green thing, weghing a ton, with some kind of mag dyno lighting, Sturmey Archer gears, and often used by the constabulary. If yes, any help on directions to seek one out appreciated. If no, suggestions on what it should be, equally appreciated. Many thanks, Michael C.
by: 68.80.255.63






WANTED:   triumph headbadge posted by: geoff on 3/19/2004 at 3:38:44 AM
hi,i am looking for a triumph headbadge for my 1972.the old one was damaged by a basket. any help? thanks in advance







WANTED:   Royal Flyer posted by: Bill on 3/19/2004 at 1:44:42 AM
I'm looking for a Royal Flyer bicycle dated around 1940-49 as complete as posible. The bike I have was made in England serial # B8308...I need parts!


   RE:WANTED:   Royal Flyer posted by bc on 4/2/2004 at 12:17:03 AM
I may have one to sell....may I see a photo of your bike? Thanks