ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   hercules touring bike posted by: James on 7/21/2004 at 4:00:27 AM
I have what appears to be a Hercules touring bike, it has a B&W flip flop hub hub wing nuts, very similar to this 1930s bike http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British/hercules_spspt_36.htm however it has north road handle bars, I've tried turning the north road bars over but it just doesn't look right. Does anyone have any old moustache bars or something similar to the ones in the picture they want to get rid of? I'd rather not use nitto bars and a new stem.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stem posted by: James on 7/18/2004 at 9:54:26 PM
Did really ever make a stem similar to the ones used on the Sports with more reach, I've been using my 23" everyday for about 3 years now and am starting to think my body wants to be less upright - of course if anyone has a Raleigh clubman or any gearhub touring bike they want to get rid of, even a scratched frame that would be ok.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stem posted by Kurt on 7/19/2004 at 4:55:43 PM
Dear James,

I do know of two variations of the Raleigh stem available. Neither have the Sir Walter Raleigh logo.

The first version is a very short stem used by Huffy in the U.S. around the mid '90s for their line of kid's bikes. Most of these will need to be chromed. They run about 4" in height.

However, if you would like a VERY tall stem, Royal Enfield produced a stem (mine is marked "Made In Taiwan?!") identical to the Raleigh piece, but it is about 12 inches (yes, 12 inches!) in length. I used it on a musclebike that I created - here are two photos:

http://www.jaysmarine.com/REDL_5.jpg
http://www.jaysmarine.com/REDL_3.jpg

Hope this helps!

Take care,

Kurt

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stem posted by bicyclebones on 7/19/2004 at 11:25:45 PM
" The first version is a very short stem used by Huffy in the U.S. around the mid '90s for their line of kid's bikes."

'90s or '60s? Thanks.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stem posted by Kurt on 7/20/2004 at 1:05:54 PM
No kidding here, it's 1990s. I found two modern 16" Huffy kids bikes thrown out in the trash, and both had the Raleigh-type stem, painted in black. I also found a chrome variant of this Raleigh-copy stem on an 18" Kent.

Take care!

Kurt

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stem posted by s350120@singnet.com.sg on 9/5/2004 at 12:56:30 PM
Hi if anyone has a raleigh clubman for sale pls mail me with pics.Anyone with info knowing where to get one pls mail me ty.

regards

Joe

Singapore
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stem posted by s350120@singnet.com.sg on 9/5/2004 at 12:59:37 PM
Hi if anyone has a raleigh clubman for sale pls mail me with pics.Anyone with info knowing where to get one pls mail me ty.

regards

Joe

Singapore
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MISC:   rollbritania posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 7/17/2004 at 5:36:47 PM
I just became aware of Yahoo's deletion of Rollbritania.

Every cycle site is an important resource for us all. Sites like Rollbritania make a fine compliment to OldRoads.

As you may have read above, we're in the process of redesigning our databases and discussion areas. Adding in-line photos is something we can do without much work. But I'm concerned about photos slowing the Discussion Area's page loading.

We're open to your suggestions on the best way to implement user photos and other resources.

Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc
http://OldRoads.com


   RE:MISC:   rollbritania posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/18/2004 at 1:48:55 AM
Hmmm... yeah, pics could gum up the works a little. Though, I notice that your "for sale" databases, with the "thumbnails" load quite nicely.

Normal image size for web viewing would be 640x480 @ 72dpi. I usually resample the 2.2Mpixel images to that size when I post to a site or email.

I know that some of the "picture" sites automatically re-sample images for web viewing and yet, still retain the original hi-res image for people to "click" to. As to how that technology works, I've not a clue but it sounds like something that would work well here.

Just a couple of thoughts from your friendly neighborhood "Boneman".

BTW: As always, thanks for a great (non-disappearing) forum!

Regards,

Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:MISC:   rollbritania posted by Hoss on 7/18/2004 at 4:03:37 PM
If this were put up for a vote: I would wish, that photos not directly be put on pages with discussion groups. To have a page to reference from, if possible, as it was on the yahoogroup, would be useful.

Furthermore, maybe there should be a limit of items on such a reference page. Say 20 photos would be permitted, but when a new photo is sought to be posted, it might push the old photo out. Those at home can individually save what they care to. Working a bit, like the "topical" photo files in the Roll Britannia group.

Maybe that is not clear and growing up out west, I know that I seem to omit words in sentence structures at time and I apologize if what I say is not always clear.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   rollbritania posted by Kenzo on 7/18/2004 at 4:13:44 PM
I'm fairly new here and never got to the roll britania site.
How did the pictures work? Is it liek the picture database here? Why not link from this forum to the pictures database?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   rollbritania posted by Hoss on 7/18/2004 at 5:03:15 PM
Yes, Kenzo, that is the idea.

Also, while I am here and since Vin said these forums compliment and do not compete against each other, it is not my forum, but an acquaintance set up a discussion group about 3 months ago at http://raleighbicycles.proboards32.com/index.cgi ; this is not my forum I hope the link works.

Also, Sam talked about the Voy forums, he should set one up himself and why not.

Rather than see, a splintering of groups, it is interesting to see, what various people bring to their discussions. We can all learn, at least, speaking for myelf.

   RE:MISC:   rollbritania posted by sam on 7/18/2004 at 10:05:51 PM
I'm with you Hoss,I did enjoy Rollbritania but do we need just another so-so bike board?and that's what it would be if I set one up.It took a lot of effort on P.C.s part to make rollbritania a great site.Vin puts a lot of work into this site too---sometimes I forget that.It's just always here for us.Wow what a great job you do,Vin.
I like the idea Hoss said of a page for photos,be nice if we could load them like on Yahoo direct off the PC not having to go tru a web host.---sam

   RE:MISC:   rollbritania posted by paul viner on 7/19/2004 at 6:32:11 AM
i am just about to start building my own personal site at www.pbase.com. have a look and see if it would be right for this sort of stuff.

   RE:RE:MISC:   rollbritania posted by Gerald on 7/19/2004 at 11:31:27 PM
I hope people look at this "www.pbase.com" photography based, it looks appealing.

   RE:RE:MISC:   rollbritania posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 7/20/2004 at 12:44:06 AM
After the heck we go thru chasing decals? Shucks this is a web page! But I do acknowledge that this will be a challenge to.
What do we do in a case like this? We save the parts and re- build it. Not the first time, I will hear, "Oh Chris, it's bad off this time" and I stubbornly refuse to quit and we push on and make it fly again.
Oh My. Not good.
I have been sitting here reading and pondering this one. Yes I'm quite upset at what has happened to Peter's Roll Britannia. Yes, the awesome catalog scans, all that excellent work, gone.
Why my late response? I'm sickened and speechless.
Peter did an awesome thing, he showed the world thru the net how magical and special the histioric vintage British bicycle were.
The wonderful catalog scans, showing off the lovely bike colors. That's what I miss most about it. I enjoy looking at the pictures of the bikes. The artwork of the catalogs.
It is magical.
He was just about to click it into high gear, too.
After a short spell of rest and fun on the R.R.A. yes, then it will be time to head to the virtual cycle- shed gather all of the bits up, gather tools and re- build the Roll Britannia into a web page. I was envious of it, Jealous, but loved those vintage bike catalog scans.
Then Peter's site vanishes.
Peter,when that shed light is on, when it's all being re- assembled. Contact me at: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com

Like the little green shoe cobbler elves that come in and work all night to help save the day. I still believe in that version of magic, and this enough to help. To zip in and mount a rescue mission. E- mail me your postal address.
There is a camradre in this. Recently I had a pal help me out and my pal sat and looked miffed and as I sat there upset and needing his help he told me "Don't worry!" he cracked his knuckles and he commented "They're messing with "My boy" here." Messing with his friend, (me)
He proceded to start typing and soon it was fixed.
I only know Peter thru the pages here and by his Roll Britannia work. Still, you know what?

Yahoo "messed with" our pal Peter Kohler and his vintage bicycle resource page. All of us, too. The future of vintage bicycle research thru the internet was changed.
That hits deep, it's an assult on the magic I believe in.
The work is more important that we realize.
I sit here cracking knuckles. I'm a romantic and passionate fool enlisted in the service to our quest. In Star Trek: Generations. The dying James T Kirk's last words to Picard was:
"Did we make a difference?" and "It was fun!"
Roll Britannia made a difference and we all agree about the fun part. I'll "leave the Nexus" with Peter go back with him and make a difference.

How can I pull vintage Humber bikes out of the trash heap, with restoration work in progress and stand by and let this happen with Peter's site?

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   rollbritania posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 7/20/2004 at 12:56:39 AM
I hope Peter will gather up the broken bits and take David Poston up on his offer Look into this on the web, find a better site place for the rebuilding work. A new address.
Contact me at: C Kokkinis P.O Box 725428 Berkley, Michigan
48072-5428 because I want to help out.

Please e- mail Peter and do something to help out.






AGE / VALUE:   Hi-loop & low bar? posted by: sam on 7/17/2004 at 1:18:00 AM
I've seen the hi-loop girls frames---but this mens (low bar?) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=7298&item=3688363760&rd=1
sam(still missing rollbritania)!!!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hi-loop & low bar? posted by Ian on 7/17/2004 at 11:17:03 AM
Never seen a mens bike like that even in a catalogue, I suspect it has been altered. The other interesting item is the carrier on the ladies bike, it appears to be a rare type that mounts to the stays but does not have braces running down to the axle. Cheers, Ian.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hi-loop & low bar? posted by Matthew on 7/19/2004 at 6:58:58 PM
My guess would be that the gents is a cross dresser. Do i detect slight distortion in the eat tube where the 'cross bar' has been fitted. They both look very similar to my pre-WW2 Hercules Ladies. Jsut my opinion and not badly priced, watch them soar.
Matthew in rainy England.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Pulley Wheel/Plastic posted by: Skip on 7/16/2004 at 9:50:47 PM
http://www.oldroads.com/fs_p_eng.html

Old Roads sells the plastic pulley wheel, I am trying to understand on my sports, how the proper wraparound of the pulled goes. The Raleigh is cerca '74, the plastic wheel is behind the chainguard.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Pulley Wheel/Plastic posted by Skip on 7/16/2004 at 9:56:58 PM
Old Roads sells the plastic pulley wheel, I am trying to understand on my sports, how the proper wraparound of the pulled goes. The Raleigh is cerca '74, the plastic wheel is behind the chainguard.


I am trying to say, how does the cable wrap around the pulley wheel which is located behind, the chain guard area.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Pulley Wheel/Plastic posted by Kurt K on 7/16/2004 at 11:45:53 PM
Dear Skip,

Actually, the cable doesn't wrap completely around the pully.

The pully is placed on the seat tube, and depending on whether the shifter chain runs along the top tube or the down tube, the small metal "lip" faces upwards or downwards, respectively. The cable is then slipped under the lip and onto the pully, thereby, angling the cable at a roughly 45 degree angle.

Below is a photo of how the cable runs through. Paste this URL into your browser:

http://www.jaysmarine.com/Raleigh_chainmount.jpg

Take care!

Kurt

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Pulley Wheel/Plastic posted by Skip on 7/17/2004 at 10:18:02 PM
Thanks, in the summertime, all is moving a little slower, the illustration does seem to answer my question though I have not returned to work on the bike. I'll have that fastest bike in the milk race ; )






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   There is no group called... posted by: Brian on 7/15/2004 at 10:53:00 AM
I'm not surprised that Yahoo would do this after announcing last month that they would be increasing the inbox size on all email accounts. Perhaps after the justified acrimony settles down - an alternative location for Rollbrittania's files can be found?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   There is no group called... posted by Hoss on 7/16/2004 at 9:24:53 AM
I've written a lot, it is one of those events that kind of electrifies one.

Maybe with all terms of service a good defense can't be had; but building a membership base, expecting a standard from Yahoo; it makes one think in legalese fashion. This to me, seems close to causing someone "undue stress" (to say it mildly) ; just one of a dozen thoughts I've thought over on this whole matter.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   There is no group called... posted by Tim on 7/16/2004 at 10:41:33 AM
What a shame. It seem that the aptly named Yahoo are living up to their name, i.e. 'A crude or brutish person'. I alway thought is was a strange name for a comany but now we see why. PC you have my condolences.

Regards,
Tim

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   There is no group called... posted by Sheldon on 7/16/2004 at 1:13:00 PM
Notify them, there are plenty of places, where one can make a forum.






ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by: P.C. Kohler on 7/14/2004 at 3:24:58 PM
Well I don't know why, but as of today, Yahoo Groups has deleted my groups Roll Britannia and Roll Britannia 2.

Everything... 400 pix, scans of repair manuals, catalogues and the like... is gone. As well as thousands of useful archived messages. All gone.

There have been rumours that Yahoo is willy-nilly axing groups with lots of space used for photos and files or ones with high bandwidth use.

Anyway, it will be not be reinstated... too much work and effort went into this to again trust to the yahoos running Yahoo.

More time for me to ride my bikes it looks like.

Many thanks to all those who joined and contributed to these groups.

As always, "Ride Awheel on Sheffield Steel!"

P.C. Kohler


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo ... posted by Hoss on 7/16/2004 at 6:38:06 AM
I think, that's a good idea Sam; I was once a part of a discussion, prudish it may sound, the moderator did not wish to be associated with one of the groups that have discussion groups, and I'm not sure of the company, but said, they had child porn and stuff. So, he went with topica, but you mentioned voy, sure, nothing ventured, nothing gained. Or here, it doesn't matter.

Here, is an example, of a nice yahoo group " http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Early_Japanese_DualSports/ " on early Japanese Motorcycles; can one imagine the reaction of those participants if there group just dissapeared out of the blue. It makes one apprehensive about really setting up much on the yahoogroups, plus that group does have a nice photo selection.

We assume, some how Yahoo deleted things, I am sure it is a long shot, but what other chances are there, that a kid, a hacker could have done it. Too, what about copyrighting information, discussed recently in RB? Anyone remember that or possible space limitations? Just some wonderment.

This is not the proper forum but while I do mention it, I've google & yahoogroup searched a tiny bit to see, if things like this had happened before. Yes, there seems to exist some precedent but I did not search it out in depth.

Rather somber notes; so, maybe we all can get back to the main discussions if I am speaking out of place.

Hoss


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by Hoss on 7/16/2004 at 8:37:07 AM
Addendum to my note, that was not placed after Sam's note, if it gets read, I wonder too, if there was a chance possibility that having a RB2 was out side of their regulations,

This does not make "deleting" ok. One builds up a membership list; the group is popular enough, more is needed, but it is sour apples if there is some loophole. It is nauseating if the group got canned. Why could they have left for example one of the two groups, RollBritannia2 alone and though unpalatable; might have been able to carry on. I guess, they might say, they have so many groups, they can not police everything. Obviously this is not good for their name. One would be hesitant as to what might set up a group being axed; has one created one too many groups; etc.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/16/2004 at 3:50:09 PM
It's not really fair to use OldRoads site to discuss Roll Britannia's demise but I do appreciate all the feedback.

The only workable solution seems to be a website of some sort... what Roll Britannia offered that this site doesn't, were the PHOTOS and FILES sections with 300 pix and all those useful scans of manuals and catalogues etc. There are other discussion forums yes but without this essential archives feature. It was never my intent to compete with OldRoads as a discussion site but to offer a repository for photos and data. This is what Yahoo, frankly, is getting rid of. They ONLY want low usage, low storage discussion sites. Of course it would have really useful had they just told me I had 30 days to dump or save everything. Or indeed tell folks when they start a group they don't want anything taking up their space.

Anyway, I've had one helpful offer re. the possible creation of a website so when the dust settles and my blood pressure goes down, I'll see what can be done.

Me... I am looking forward a nice group ride in pretty Pennsylvania farm country tomorrow. Give the RRA a nice chance to stretch her legs and for me to rediscover the real joy of cycling is.... well.... riding the bloody bike!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by David Poston on 7/16/2004 at 8:18:10 PM
Peter,

The question I have for you is this: Did you happen to save the important files/photos on your hard drive or are they lost forever? I happened to have the foresight to save most of the useful ones (to me, anyway) on my hard drive and even print out hard copies of some diagrams, as well. In addition, I have built up a fairly large photo archive (108 mb, with 690 files and 24 folders) of English bicycle-related pics on my hard drive, pulling photos from Rollbritannia, e-bay, the web, and friends (probably violating a slew of copyright regs in the process) including: whole bicycles (categorized by period), antique photographs, parts and tools, parts lists, apparel, etc. If a new group or website were to be created, I would be more than willing to donate these.

David

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by David Poston on 7/16/2004 at 8:21:34 PM
Peter,

The question I have for you is this: Did you happen to save the important files/photos on your hard drive or are they lost forever? I happened to have the foresight to save most of the useful ones (to me, anyway) on my hard drive and even print out hard copies of some diagrams, as well. In addition, I have built up a fairly large photo archive (108 mb, with 690 files and 24 folders) of English bicycle-related pics on my hard drive, pulling photos from Rollbritannia, e-bay, the web, and friends (probably violating a slew of copyright regs in the process) including: whole bicycles (categorized by period), antique photographs, parts and tools, parts lists, apparel, etc. If a new group or website were to be created, I would be more than willing to donate these.

David

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by BicycleBones on 7/16/2004 at 8:52:30 PM
Sam: You are a card! I was checking out those Voy forums, trying to think, of a common name, to test the waters on what graphics they might have, etc. As an example, I typed in "Los Angeles Lakers", I urge all not to do that.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by Ward Davis on 7/14/2004 at 4:10:34 PM
All PC's work and others down the drain.How does Yahoo know whether or not anybody on ROLLBRITANNIA ever bought any of the crap advertised on Yahoo? I'm outta Yahoo for good. They can kiss my big white ass! In the immortal words of Vice President Cheney,"F*** Y**!".Excuse the language, but there is a time and place for everything.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by Beth on 7/14/2004 at 5:26:33 PM
P.C.,
I am so sorry. Rollbritannia was a fantastic resource. I just logged on to Yahoo Groups, and I am still shown as a member, then it says there is no such group. Grr. Well, for what it's worth, I'm drafting a complaint letter. I urge the other ex-members of rollbritannia to do the same. 250+ people might pull some weight. It would be unlikely to resurect Rollbritannia (nor would we force you to P.C.), but at the very least, we've made our dipleasure known. And it may save some other worthy group from the same fate. Perhaps the information superhighway can be salvaged from become a tollroad.
Thank you for you work P.C.,
Beth

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by Hoss on 7/14/2004 at 5:47:12 PM
It almost, almost makes me want to cry, I was thinking only the owner could delete it, Yahoo itself? I will draft a complaint.

And if the tons of naughty talk, etc. is what they have, I'll clear out too.

Not knowing what happened, on the spur of the moment, I set up " http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/RuleAndRollBritannia/ " to be a clearing house of info.

One really valuable thing on Yahoo, and they axe it; at least give someone notice. I am peeved.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by David Poston on 7/14/2004 at 6:23:38 PM
"There is no group called rollbritannia," is what the page says when you try to access it. This is simply astounding. Two years of hard work on Peter's part, with 250 members and thousands of postings and pics, all gone. It's like your life's savings were depleted in a millisecond. Almost too shocking to believe.

There must be another website forum that we can start up that allows us to post pics, etc. Any ideas???

David

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by paul nisula on 7/15/2004 at 3:05:24 AM
Thank you P.C. Kohler for the time and effort to host a great website and to the many readers who posted thoughts and images to this fine group. I honestly foresee a rebirth at another time and place. I enjoy chatting about my (5) British wheels(red '63 Raleigh, silver '74 Raleigh, silver '76 Bickerton, copper greenish 1958 Lenton, and maroon '65 Rudge)........paul

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by sam on 7/15/2004 at 3:14:01 AM
Come clean,P.C. Yahoo knew of your evil plan to build fake Rudge bicycles and sell them on Ebay.They were on to you after your highly successful test run of repop grips!---sam

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by Beth on 7/15/2004 at 4:05:47 AM
I have been discussing this incident with my posse of computer nerds. I was on rollbritannia early this morning, about midnight- one o'clock and the board was running. By 1 pm this afternoon it was gone. The CN's tell me it is likely Yahoo can still access all the uploaded date from Rollbritannia. Perhaps with a concerted effort we can get them to release that information. It would likely have to be to you P.C.. I don't know how you'd feel about trying to wade through, or store it until an alternate location is found. Any thoughts everyone?
Beth

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/15/2004 at 4:47:26 AM
Thanks for the supportive comments.

Nope.. it's all gone. And it ain't goin' come back. The problem is there is no one at Yahoo; it's literally a virtual company. If you manage to wade through all the HELP barriers and send an e-mail to "Customer Service" you can an automated reply (which parrots what's on the web site) from "Vanessa" and "Debbie". Well, we all know there is no Vanessa or Debbie. It's a couple of mainframe computers on auto-pilot.

Anyway, there are more important things to do: like ride our bikes. Thank goodness for OldRoads... the oldest and still a "survivor". I'll leave the exchange of information and knowledge on our favourite subject to this site.

Oh, to cap a perfect day... I got a flat riding my French Peugeot on Bastille Day. Serves me right... I should have ridden my RRA with my Union Flag jersey!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by Hoss on 7/15/2004 at 8:11:18 AM
How odd, the bicycle recycling co-op, I"ve not been able to go to for about 10 months, I finally went to today;

About 90 minutes prior to my going there, they had to close the building down, construction nearby actually caused cracks in the foundation (shaking and the like). They had cracks in the building reminiscent to a stairway formed cracks in the bricks, reminds me of the lightning striking sequences in the movie "The Natural."

I'll relay the above types of news; surely some will straggle in looking for the site in the future and wonder what happened. I'll point them to here.

    Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia!: COMPLAIN! posted by Steve on 7/15/2004 at 3:04:43 PM
Don't Take This Lying Down! After boring into the Yahoo website, you can complain by email at this URL:
http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/groups/cgi_abuse

Just click "abuse" as the complaint. I sent an email this morning.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/15/2004 at 6:00:52 PM
P.C., that is an horrid shame. To have done such a thing sans warning of any kind, while "within policy" certainly was not morally correct.

I have put a couple of other Yahoo! Groups that I frequent on notice... And just might offload the membership lists in case the groups disappear... at least I can contact the membership and point them in the direction of a possible new home.


I presume this just "happened" with no warning at all? That is deplorable.

Well... as you mentioned... perhaps it will lead to a bit more "seat time" outdoors.

Sorry to see such debauchery. Rollbrittania was a fine forum.

Regards.

Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by Hoss on 7/16/2004 at 2:42:34 AM
Just letting you all know, there is some sort of a discussion group, I don't have it right here, it is on topica and "antique bicycle " something like that.

Of all things, a seller on ebay of a Sturmey Archer shifter mentioned it.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by sam on 7/16/2004 at 3:48:19 AM
Be nice if Rollbritannia was started up on say---http://www.voy.com/

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by Louis Danese on 7/21/2004 at 3:25:05 PM
I own an old bike,ladies loop frame, 26 x 11/2", 1939. All the parts says "Made in England", but his make is not Raleigh, Phillips or Sunbeam. Is possible a Rudge bike?
In same parts says "Utility".

Regards

Louis Danese
by: 200.117.136.206

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Yahoo Axes Roll Britannia! posted by Foxsong on 7/25/2004 at 12:01:35 AM
Bloody hell! This is a darned shame, and I am alerting other Yahoo!Groups listmods that I know to the possibility that their lists might just vanish all of a sudden. :-(


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MISC:   Larz Anderson National Bike Show posted by: Peter Naiman on 7/13/2004 at 12:39:24 AM
It's time to remind everybody that the Larz Anderson National Bike Show is back again this year on Sunday August 8th, with set up time at 9:00AM, and actual show time from 10:00AM to 2:00PM. For full information please check our website at www.oldroads.com/show. Thank you once more to Vin Vullo of Oldroads.com for building and hosting our website for yet another year. Our Concour will again host bikes from all eras, from Antique to Balloon to Lightweight. All bikes are welcome, even your "old soldier". Trophies plaques will be given in numerous categories as in past year, and there will be a pre-show vintage ride at 9:00AM. Either check our website or please call me at my home phone @ 617-469-4581 for more information or to register a bike or more for the show.







AGE / VALUE:   Baycliff Bicycle saddlebags posted by: James Haury on 7/12/2004 at 11:53:17 PM
I am interested in any and all info on Baycliff bicycle bags ,including all models when they were manufactured until' and their general reputation. I assume the company nolonger exists but i wish to know it's history.Also materials used and comparision to Carradice bags.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Baycliff Bicycle saddlebags posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 7/13/2004 at 9:23:07 PM
I too am interested in the history of Baycliff. What is on the factory site today, what happened to the production plant, I would love to hear from the former employees e.t.c..
I have some catalogs showing the baycliff bags, e- mail me your e- mail address and I'll send you some pix.

Hilary Stone would know the scoop on Baycliff. Good Luck

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Baycliff Bicycle saddlebags posted by James Hugh Haury on 8/1/2004 at 2:47:17 PM
I have several Baycliff bicycle bags . I am intersested in the history of the company which manufactured them and all historical detail which you can supply.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by: Vanda on 7/12/2004 at 9:55:42 PM
Hi, I was wondering if anyone could tell me what year Raleigh made a DL-1 with a rounded top tube. I was wondering the year and model name. All the pics I can find , have a staight top tube.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by Kurt on 7/18/2004 at 4:20:11 PM
Dear Vanda,

The men's DL-1 was never made with a curved top tube. However, the Raleigh DL1L, that is, the lady's model, featured just that.

You might like to take a look at the link below:

http://www.retroraleighs.com/roadster.html

In addition, Raleigh did make one 26" men's model with a curved top tube, the Colt. It's considered a children's model though. You might want to download the 1962 Raleigh brochure from Retro Raleighs to view it:

http://www.retroraleighs.com/catalogs.html

Take care!

Kurt

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by vanda on 7/18/2004 at 5:47:03 PM
Thank you Kurt, Your information was very helpful. It turns out that the bicycle is a 26" Colt. That is why I could not find it. I was not even considering it to be a childens model. That is why I could not find it. You were very helpful. Thanks a whole bunch!!






MISC:   Bike stands posted by: David on 7/11/2004 at 7:19:56 PM
Hi all,

I was just curious what you guys are using to stand up your bikes for storage, particulary those without built-in prop stands.

I've found front wheel stands at the local hardware store, but I'm afraid that that they might put undue stress on the front forks. Here's what I'm talking about:

http://www.homeorganizershops.com/120RP.html

Knowing how easily English bicycle forks can bend, I'm a little skeptical of letting the whole weight of the bike put lateral stress on the forks.

Any comments?

David


   RE:MISC:   Bike stands posted by sam on 7/12/2004 at 12:47:51 PM
That's a very nice stand.I use a little and cheap stand that holds the axel nuts and rases the wheel off the ground.Also you could use those $12 stands that hold around the downtube and have two legs kinda like a motorcycle center stand.
I've always had to use a very big hammer to bend my English forks!---sam

   RE:RE:MISC: Bike stands posted by Rif on 7/13/2004 at 12:47:28 AM
What size and type hammer would you recomend for that sam?
:-)
Rif

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Bike stands posted by Kevin C. on 7/14/2004 at 10:58:40 AM
I found a used alloy stand that mounts where a kickstand normally mounts, and it is made to clear the rod brake mechanism. I had to add a couple of inches of steel tubing to extend the leg because the stand was made for a 26-inch bike. In the old days, I suppose, most people just leaned their bikes against a wall or tree.

   RE:MISC: Bike stands posted by jack on 7/20/2004 at 3:14:03 AM
I just made a stand-alone bike stand that holds 10 complete bikes or twice that many framesets. Its made of 2x4s and shelf brackets, material cost about $60, 8hrs labor and has a footprint of less than 4'x9'. Bikes hang from hooks on top crossbar. Besides keeping bikes up and out of the way, it tells me when I'm exceeding my self-imposed limit.






MISC:   Bike stands posted by: David on 7/11/2004 at 7:19:56 PM
Hi all,

I was just curious what you guys are using to stand up your bikes for storage, particulary those without built-in prop stands.

I've found front wheel stands at the local hardware store, but I'm afraid that that they might put undue stress on the front forks. Here's what I'm talking about:

http://www.homeorganizershops.com/120RP.html

Knowing how easily English bicycle forks can bend, I'm a little skeptical of letting the whole weight of the bike put lateral stress on the forks.

Any comments?

David







MISC:   Raleigh DL-1 tourist posted by: Vanda on 7/10/2004 at 3:34:08 PM
Hello, I found a Raleigh DL-1 tourist at a yard sale today. 3 speed , dated 1972. The bike was poorly repainted a green color. Some rust present. She needed some attention. The hockey stick chain guard was still on the bike, and the leather seat. The fenders had some dents. They were asking $50.00. (cnd) Does anyone know if this is a good deal?


   RE:MISC:   Raleigh DL-1 tourist posted by VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 7/11/2004 at 12:01:19 AM
Yes, a good deal.
We just posted a 1957 28" roadster on eBay, item number 2256504634 at over $900. Not sure if it will sell at that price this time of year, but the 28" rod brake cycles are getting much harder to find in North America.

Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc.
http://OldRoads.com







MISC:   Raleigh DL-1 tourist posted by: Vanda on 7/10/2004 at 3:34:08 PM
Hello, I found a Raleigh DL-1 tourist at a yard sale today. 3 speed , dated 1972. The bike was poorly repainted a green color. Some rust present. She needed some attention. The hockey stick chain guard was still on the bike, and the leather seat. The fenders had some dents. They were asking $50.00. (cnd) Does anyone know if this is a good deal.







AGE / VALUE:   tubes for roadsters posted by: paul viner on 7/10/2004 at 8:43:51 AM
To my amazement we can no longer buy 28*1 3/8 {english valves}tubes in australia,does any body sell them anymore.