MISC:   India made "retrobike" posted by: Bruce on 10/15/2005 at 11:20:30 AM
I noticed that a Raleigh wannabe that was made in India didn't get a bid. I think the auction ended about 5 or 6 days ago. What is the story on these India bikes? This one was a single speed copy of a DL-1. Are they junk or what? Thanks for any info
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   RE:MISC: India made posted by sam on 10/15/2005 at 1:00:39 PM
Most India bikes lack the quality of a good bicycle---there built for the masses,built quickly,built to sell cheaply.
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   RE:RE:MISC: India made posted by Mark Stonich on 10/15/2005 at 4:08:33 PM
I recently gave one away that had not been even assembled, much less ridden. As I warned the recipient, "Calling it a piece of crap would be an insult to feces".
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   RE:RE:RE:MISC: India made posted by Chris on 10/15/2005 at 5:11:44 PM
I'd like to show up at the factory in India and smack my hands together and ask them: "What is up?" or, WHASSUPP!

This is very bothersome. They have everything they need to do some serrious magic and everybody complains about shoddy quality instead. Poor packing too.
The Indian made bikes fizzled, the powder got wet so to speak. So close. Suck a tradgedy. Good for some parts.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: India made posted by Chris on 10/15/2005 at 5:16:05 PM
The 26 inch frame Raleigh bikes that work with the 28 inch wheels. They have the capacitry to make these if you order 500 whole bikes.
Not with that quality that we see, not with the way the cycles are packed into the shipping container either.
Like I said, I wish I could be there , in charge and be hands on. I'd fix it.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: India made posted by Chris on 10/15/2005 at 5:33:27 PM
Stillborn. The made in India Raleigh, Rudge, Humber type bicycles are stillborn.
A worldwide resurgence and resurection of the bicycles the built empires, and made many men fortunes almost happened. (How Did the Dana Corporaton get it's start?) Buisnessmen stood waiting with checks in hand.
Catalogs drawn up, plans made. We busted out tails to kick start this! We all went home very brokenhearted. And for the Indian government, this was an incredibally stupid blunder. They never, ever would have let this happened if they knew their history. The goose was able to lay golden eggs again and they just let it die from not enough food and water.
Attention was shifted to Italy. A Legnano roadster bike deal also died before birth. Another tremendous letdown. the Italians were to only ones capable of demonstration the prowess and the quality that was expected.
Getting the Italians to return a phone call also was a challenge.
It was worth the try. It was very exciting.

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   RE:MISC:   India made posted by Ed on 10/16/2005 at 3:55:49 AM
The Americans make first class roadsters! Not what I would call traditional but very well crafted. Boston MA is home to A.N.T Bicycles. Yes they do cost much more than most bicycles but I think hand crafted must be worth more. Look at the Roadster bicycles. Ed
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   RE:MISC:   India made posted by Matthew on 10/16/2005 at 8:16:58 AM
If you want an English Roadster without the hassle of eBay and without the disappointment of an Indian copy, buy a Pashley. As English as fog and rain in June. Available brand new and classic in design and build. (Did I mention they are English?) Search for 'Pashley' and find their own marvellous website, be amazed at what they make.

The Indian bikes are made with British machinery shipped over there in the 1950's and not updated. No wonder the quality isn't so brilliant and no wonder there are bike repairers on every street in India. The (Royal) Indian Enfield motorcycle was just as dire until international funds were put into the works to update and improve production, now they are well worth the Rupees.

By the way did you know that Raleigh turned Andrew Richies away when he tried to get them to make his design of bicycle? He went away and didn't sulk, he set up Brompton Bicycles, whoops! I think Raleigh should have listened?

Matthew - enjoying Sunday.
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   RE:RE:MISC: India made posted by James on 10/16/2005 at 8:17:00 AM
I have an indian bicycle, so defective I couldn't put it together. I fail to believe that all indian bikes are this bad, millions of people, the majority of people on this planet, all over africa, south asia, the middle east, china etc. use indian or chinese bikes, there must be some manufacturers who are capable of building a bicycle that can at least be assembled. My theory is, these "export companies" are shams, some lowly business man buys a stock of defective bikes and sells them to some unsuspecting western schmuck, either that or the mechanics who put these things together in bike shops are very skilled and will assemble functioning 20 bikes out of a shipment 40, what with no quality control.

In any case forget indian bikes.
visit my blog instead www.thecitybicycle.blogspot.com the first post is a list of bicycles worth staring at, including Mike Flanigan's ANT and Sascha White's Vanilla bicycles, he also makes city bikes http://www.vanillabicycles.com/bikes/commuter/bike_c/index.html
I got to ride this one, a loop frame light roadster w/moustache bars, Schmidt hub, turns out he and his wife are my neighbors and were more than happy to let me give it a spin.
the list also contains a link to the Raleigh denmark site if anyone hasn't seen it where you can find our Raleigh Sports and Roadsters living happily in a more civilised part of the world where people actually use bicycles, even attracted well made lugged bicycles.
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   add the photo of first indian bike with its rider posted by namo narayan meena on 10/26/2005 at 11:17:14 AM
give the brief summary about the oldest bikes of india and name the person first who had ride bike in india.
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   add the photo of first indian bike with its rider posted by namo narayan meena on 10/26/2005 at 11:17:21 AM
give the brief summary about the oldest bikes of india and name the person first who had ride bike in india.
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   RE:MISC: India made posted by Carl Lutes on 7/4/2006 at 6:20:20 PM
Funny that I stumbled on this. I found a bike in a Ralph Lauren display here in Louisville, KY that had a badge that said retrobike.com and made in India. I've been trying to find out who that was and anything about them. Glad I got here before I took it serious. It does LOOK like an old Raleigh or something similar though.


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   RE:MISC:   India made posted by Asif on 3/6/2008 at 7:45:57 AM
i am in need of an old humber,raleigh or phillips bicicycle. if anybody having it want to sell it plz contact by e mail
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   RE:MISC: India made posted by Avi Nash on 4/2/2008 at 4:14:38 AM
I don't agree, in part with the general observations here that Indian bikes are low quality.

1. You get what you pay for. Indian bicycles will outlast any Chinese/Taiwanese bikes at the same price. Don't expect to pay about $100 for an Indian bike today, and expect it to perform or even look like a $500 bike from the 60's and 70's. The reason is that in India bikes are made to be used, not to be played with, like here in US. Bikes are the sole means of transport for the lower middle class and the poor. Many can't even afford a new cheap bike. Today in India, even high school kids from the middle classes consider it below their dignity to ride a bike. They demand a scooter or motorcycle. So, bikes are not made for pleasure but to serve a need.
2. Now, My father bought a Hercules 24" bike in 1964, while waiting for a couple of years to get a Vespa scooter, alloted to him. Yes, they were in short supply in the early 60's. I almost never rode that bike, wasn't allowed to, so can't tell much. I did ride many rental bikes, rented by the hour from bike repair shops that kept a few bikes to rent by the hour. The concept is like the short term car renting getting popular nowadays in big cities. Those were bikes that were abused and often sported parts from many different brands and bikes. Chopshop bikes. Next, he bought me my first Indian bike in 1967 when I was in 7th grade. It was a 22" Raleigh and it rode very nice. I had tried another brand, Hercules, which was made for durability and was heavier to ride. At that time, milkmen who delivered milk on bikes carrying 1 or 2 5 gal. metal containers over the rear wheel used Hercules. Refined gents like me used Raleigh and cheap folks used Hero or Atlas, etc. I used that bike till I acquired a motorcycle in 1978. It was my only means of commuting to school, libraries and finally to work, in 40F to 120F weather, rain, desert like dust, etc. I went thru several sets of tires and tubes. I always rode with tires inflated to max, giving a hard ride but great resistance to punctures from debris. I even had a head on collision with an Ambassador car, coming on the wrong side of the road - Indian traffic does not always follow rules - while coming down a bridge (Nehru Bridge in Ahmedabad to be exact) and I flew on the hood of the car, was unhurt but the bike had a bent wheel and bent fork. I got it fixed and used for many more years. I always made sure my brakes worked, had good tires and tubes - changed every 2-3 years, and a new valve tube every few months. Many tubes in India went flat because the tiny rubber tube covering the inflation hole in the (Dunlop?) valve failed. I would buy a foot length of that tube and change it whenever I found the tube fraying at the seat. Buying a foot was cheaper than buying the inch or so long piece at a time. Those were the days when I had to count pennies. I don't remember ever breaking a spoke, riding almost always on paved roads, mostly flat, rolling urban territory.

In short, Indian bikes are not bad, they give you more than your moneys' worth. May be my opinion is based on outdated experience but still, just don't go about comparing a $100-200 bike to your $3000 cissy bikes. If you paid a $1000 to some American importer for that bike, tacking on hefty profits and inflated value of assembly time, that does not make that bike a $1K class bike, just as you would not compare a Hyundai or Kia - perfectly usable and dependable cars now - to a high end luxury car like Lexus or BMW.

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   RE:MISC: India made posted by Jag Venugopal on 4/12/2008 at 3:58:32 PM
Try the "Hero" brand of bikes. They are made better than most others of Indian manufacture.

Also keep in mind that Indian bikes are made for Indian conditions. These include a bicycle repairman at every street corner. Thus, fit and finish are not a high priority when there's a fella who can beat it into shape with a hammer at every street corner. Once you've got it all working just right, and you've broken in the bike (a must), it will outlast your lifetime.
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AGE / VALUE:   Maltese buses posted by: Matthew on 10/14/2005 at 8:13:07 PM
Kurt, the reference to Maltese buses was meant as a compliment. The 1940's and 50's British buses which trundle around the island of Malta are icons (literally in some cases) of motoring magnificence, if not of road safety.

Matthew - misunderstood?
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Maltese buses posted by Kurt K. on 10/15/2005 at 1:24:42 AM
Hello Matthew,

Actually, I was directing my comment primarily to Mike.

I see from your post, that you agree much with me as well. In fact, I probably could have been convinced to buy it if it wasn't a 21" frame (23" is my size).

I already have a nice, all-original 23" size 1951 Sports frame with the original fenders though, so I can't complain...save for the fact that I don't have a pair of 1950's Westrick wheels to go with it!

Take care,

-Kurt
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Maltese buses posted by Mike on 10/15/2005 at 3:23:43 AM
That's the beauty of the English frames- the durability. You could indeed strip that right down and repaint and it'd still ride like a champ probably. Generations of frames have come and gone but these remain.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Maltese buses posted by Kurt K. on 10/18/2005 at 9:23:05 PM
Quite right, quite right.

The '50s Raleigh frames, in particular, are simply unmatched in strength - it'd take a steamroller to bend the frame on one of these. I just wish I had more (only have one).

Take care,

-Kurt
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Looking for a spare Sports rear fender posted by: Kurt K. on 10/14/2005 at 7:07:48 PM
Looking for a spare Sports rear fender in Raleigh's brown Coffee color - also looking for the round reflector (the larger 2.5" white S/A variant) that goes with it.

Preferably a fender in very nice shape, with nice glossy paint and a good white tail.

I can be contacted at cudak888@aol.com.

Take care,

-Kurt
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MISC:   Sturmey BRC hub posted by: David on 10/14/2005 at 2:39:10 AM
There's a SA BRC hub on ebay (item 7188359904). It's a rear brake hub with threads for a freewheel. In the picture it looks like it also has left-hand threads for a lockring. Is this right? Or am I seeing things? The seller sez both threads are the same size and both are right handed - I know that's wrong!
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   RE:MISC: Sturmey BRC hub posted by Warrren on 10/15/2005 at 3:50:02 AM
I have the same SA hub but earlier. In fact I also have a BH hub from the 30's or 40's with the same setup. Yes they take a fixed cog and lockring. Hard to imagine going up a 20% grade on a 50 lb roadster with one fixed gear, huh?
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AGE / VALUE:   Chris,tell me about this humber posted by: sam on 10/13/2005 at 2:46:07 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6568613333&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
am I looking at anything special or is this frame just a 26" sports frame set up for the enclosed guard?---sam(who knows zip about Humbers)
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chris,tell me about this humber posted by David on 10/13/2005 at 1:14:10 PM
The frame bits for the pulley, chaincase, etc. are seen on older Raleighs too. (Can't see the dropouts to judge this one on its possible Nottingham origin) I have an old Raleigh Sports (early 60s I think) that's much the same, except for the fork.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chris,tell me about this humber posted by Edward in Vancouver on 10/13/2005 at 2:22:21 PM
Frame, other than those neat forks, is pretty much identical to a '50's Raleigh Sports I've got, except mine has an oiler port on the BB shell. Good frames, they stopped putting braze-ons for the pulley by the late 50's as well as the braze on for the chain case.

Wonder what kind of decals are lurking underneath that lovely paint that was gotten from Uncle Bob, after helping him paint his house?....
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chris,tell me about this humber posted by Chris on 10/13/2005 at 5:27:32 PM
Thanks Sam. It's a 22 inch Raleigh frame, your basic Sports only this one was a Humber with the fork and decals. Missing everything and then the brush paint. Nothing special about it except that I sit here squinting to see the fork's top nuts. Not your basic Raleigh top nut is it?
Lovely Fork.
I saw a ladies Humber in original paint and will all the proper parts in New York and it sold for $400.00.
My lady pal keeps dropping off trash picked bikes. Another cheap Chineese mountain bike, now a Nishiki steel 10 speed. Kinda like cats leaving dead birds or mice on the door step. I awake and a bike has appeared! They add up.

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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chris,tell me about this humber posted by Matthew on 10/13/2005 at 7:51:24 PM
Edward,

I hate to nit pickbut that looks like garden gate or possibly beach hut paint to me.

Matthew - applying lateral force to your tibia and fibia.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chris,tell me about this humber posted by Kurt K. on 10/13/2005 at 9:14:57 PM
It's a 21", Chris. The Sports came in 21" and 23", the DL-1 in 22" and 24" (and as you know, 26").

Take care,

-Kurt
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Chris,tell me about this humber posted by Mike on 10/14/2005 at 3:32:39 PM
The frame is ready to be made into the Cuban Taxi of bicycles.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chris,tell me about this humber posted by Matthew on 10/14/2005 at 6:11:41 PM
Or the Maltese Bus of rides!
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chris,tell me about this humber posted by Kurt K. on 10/14/2005 at 7:06:56 PM
I wouldn't say that. Sandblast or dip the frame and fork in paint solvent, clean it up, give it a spray of primer, followed with Humber Blue, and you'll have a very nice frameset to build up.

Take care,

-Kurt
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