ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1949 All Steel Raleigh posted by: Dan Johnson on 11/23/2005 at 1:45:11 AM
I just picked this bike up at a local auction. It seems to be a 1949 Raleigh All Steel AW. The SA hub says 49 and the frame is stamped AS38165. It has the front dynamo hub, headlight, chain cover and about the biggest kickstand I've ever seen on a bike attached to the rear wheel lug on the left side. Does this sound like a 1949?
Also, it came with the wrong seat and grips. Where would I get the right seat (and pray tell, what would be the right seat?) and grips?
I'm a big fella, 6'3 and 260 pounds. I may look like a monkey in a circus riding it, although sans fez and sequined vest. Is there a way to shore it up some for the beefy type?
Thanks,
Dan

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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1949 All Steel Raleigh posted by Warren on 11/23/2005 at 3:30:15 AM
Get the vest and the fez! Work all the shriners parades.

Sounds like you've got a Sports of some model...ditch the bad kick stand. Have a look here to see if you can find a similar model from '51. http://retroraleighs.com/catalogs/1951-england/index.html

A big guy like you might want a big wheeled DL-1 or Tourist. Sell yours...trade with someone? Otherwise, it should hold up just fine. I'm 230 lbs and I've been riding Sports for years. No problems.
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   ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1949 All Steel Raleigh posted by Dan Johnson on 11/23/2005 at 3:48:47 AM
Thanks Warren. Its good to hear from someone who also bangs their knees on the handlebars:)
I really don't see anything in the brochure that really looks like the front hub. There is a flange on the hub. Is it the generator for the front light?
If I need to buy a seat for it, what seat would I get? And, was the rear light operated electrically? Don't you love us newbie's?

Thanks,
Dan



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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1949 All Steel Raleigh posted by Warren on 11/23/2005 at 2:05:33 PM
Yes it's a dynohub and it was often incorporated into the rear wheel...see http://retroraleighs.com/catalogs/1951-england/pages/19-sports-tourist.html

On the Sports model you will find the dyno on the front...see
http://retroraleighs.com/catalogs/1951-england/pages/10-sports-drop.html

The dyno had two leads to the front light, which then looped to the rear light. You can buy a new brooks B66 saddle at many fine bike shops around the globe although I prefer the B72 for comfort. Both can be found on ebay, often.

One easy mod is to find a wide pair of bars from a single speed
roadster to help with knee banging. This is heresy to purists but I have them on a Sports and they are great. Still looks traditional too.

I'll send you wiring schematics.
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1949 All Steel Raleigh posted by Kurt K. on 11/24/2005 at 2:51:47 AM
Warren, I can't agree with you that the DL-1 is easier for 'big guys.'

The higher BB height may make it more difficult harder for some riders to mount the machine, for one.

Speaking of knee clearance, a particularly nagging problem I've had with my '79 Rudge DL-1 is just that - a very noticable lack of knee clearance.

Any tight corners taken with my DL-1 require a rythmatical bend-and-shuffle routine to get my knee to clear the end of the handlebar to make the turn and back.

Pedaling and general posture on the DL-1 is cramped as well (the narrow bars don't help), and it's hard to keep your knees from coming in contact with the bars even while heading dead-on straight.

I don't ride my DL-1 often, as it's a extremely nice, all-original '70s export Rudge example, but even if it weren't, I would probably keep my riding of it down to a minimum, as I simply don't find them comfortable.

My daily drivers will always be Raleigh Sports models for their notable lack of this problem, their much nimbler handling, and superior performance.

My current all-weather-rider, incedentally, is a '69 Robin Hood Sports. No clearance issues on this bike.

Curious, is your Sports a 21"-frame model? A 21"-frame model would probably explain your problem right there. A man of your height requires at least a 23" frame to be able to raise both the saddle and handlebars to an agreeable height.

I'm putting in a guess here, but I'd say you have a 21"-frame with the saddle set too low (to offset the low handlebar), and your knees are knocking against the bars because they aren't extended properly due to the low saddle.

Take care,

-Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1949 All Steel Raleigh posted by Dan Johnson on 11/24/2005 at 6:39:23 PM
Here's a lousy jpg of the bike...Whattya guys think? It is a 27 inch frame.


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   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1949 All Steel Raleigh posted by Dan Johnson on 11/24/2005 at 6:44:23 PM
Whoops...try it again.


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   ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1949 All Steel Raleigh posted by Dan Johnson on 11/24/2005 at 6:49:31 PM
Interesting. When I cut and past the url into the box, and when I hit the post reply, the tilde is change into a ' symdol. Any ideas why?

Theres the url for the bike;

http://www.netway.com/'tomfolio/bike1.jpg
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1949 All Steel Raleigh posted by Kurt K. on 11/24/2005 at 8:17:46 PM
Aha - question answered...you found a rod-brake Raleigh DL-1! It's a 24" frame though, not a 27". Very nice bike you have there, and in very nice shape for it's age.

Read my post above for my own expierences handling my own DL-1 monster, and their knee-bending characteristics. You wouldn't have this problem with a Sports.

You might want to get a Brooks B66 leather saddle for it instead of that cheap cruiser replacement that's on it now. The B66 can also be placed back on it's mounting rails about an inch more then the cruiser saddle you have now, which may help slightly.

Incedentally, I had suspicions that your find wasn't a Sports when you mentioned the serial number. A Sports would have had the letters as a suffix to the serial numerals, not as a prefix, which would point to a DL-1 (of which I was correct in my assumption).

Take care,

-Kurt
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1949 All Steel Raleigh posted by Dan J. on 11/24/2005 at 9:38:17 PM
Thanks Kurt! I was wondering about that.. Hey, what is the significance of the serial number on the frame? It doesn't seem to match anything on Sheldon's page, or perhaps I over looked it. Is it a 1949 frame?
Dan

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   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1949 All Steel Raleigh posted by Warren on 11/25/2005 at 1:09:24 AM
Maybe I should have said a DL-1 is impossible for guys with 29" inseams. The seat will not go low enough. Honest, I had one and had to get rid of it. I have yet to see a 22" frame DL-1 in the flesh.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1949 All Steel Raleigh posted by Kurt K. on 11/25/2005 at 2:59:05 AM
Dan: The serial numbers used through the late '40s and early '50s, as I currently know them, only disclose the year of manufacture.

The chart for these particular two-letter serials (like the one on your DL-1) is not available anywhere online. My knowledge of these serials are based entirely on a spreadsheet of known serials that I've been compiling for the very reason of figuring out the Raleigh serial code.

While I don't have many other serials in the chart from '48 or '49, I do have enough to say with good certainty that the "AS*****" serial dates your frame to either late '48 or 1949 production.

Warren: Come over to my place then, and see a 1979 22" Raleigh DL-1 in the flesh, with Rudge-Whitworth paint to boot.

Doubt if you could fit it though, as I have a Brooks B73 saddle atop it, with the triple coil springs taking up those few extra inches that the 22" frame affords those riders with shorter inseams.

-Kurt
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   ENGLISH ROADSTERS:1949 All Steel Raleigh posted by Dan johnson on 11/25/2005 at 6:55:22 AM
Thanks guys. I've been in contact with someone I hope can shoot me some parts for the bike. I can't beleive I found one of these after all of these years of wanting one. I do have a Phillips from the 70's thats I've been riding though. Its a little bit on the small side. I like the Raleigh because in my extremely limited experience with it so far the pedals feel solid, not like they are going to fall off at any given moment.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:1949 All Steel Raleigh posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/26/2005 at 12:35:17 PM
Nice machine! Dynohub... full chaincase.... definitely a "Keeper". I have a 74 the same size. A formidably large machine for sure.

Best of luck with it!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:1949 All Steel Raleigh posted by Dan Johnson on 1/23/2006 at 1:52:25 AM
If my bike takes 28 inch tires, does that mean it is a 28 inch frame?
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Reg Harris Lenton Grand Prix posted by: enrique on 11/22/2005 at 7:40:41 AM
hello i x-posted this on vintage light wts and was wondering if i could get some help...

"hello everyone. i p/u this nice bike a lenton grans prix. the Serial # on the seat lug is 69849RA. there is another # under the BB that is different. the model is a reg harris. the paint is really bad, exposing the metal at 50% and only has less than 30% of the paint,. most of what is on now seems to be primer. so i'm restoring and having the decals remade. i would like to get some orig. equip. back on this bike, like maybe the handlebars, seat and rims.

i tried some vintage campy high flange hubs,(untill i can find the bh racelites), but these dont seem to fit thru the dropouts. the diameter of the axle is to big. i checked the gap for the fork droputs and came up w/ 5/16th.

now, i dont want to file the drop outs, as was suggested on sheldons site.

currently, the rear hub is a normandy lux. comp. low flange. i think th orig. were bh racelight, does anyone know how to get a pair of these??? any vintage sellers have this hub??

will any normandy lux hubs work? or was there a different size for raleighs?? . i was wondering since the rear is a normandy low flange can a high flange still work. or was that a different axle size/width, due to the high flange.

thanks any help is greatly appreciated


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AGE / VALUE:   mileage life posted by: Robert on 11/22/2005 at 6:28:47 AM
Here's a question that I've never seen addressed on these boards: Does anyone know what the expected mileage life is on our old English three speeds? What service life were our bikes designed for, assuming normal riding conditions, proper maintenance and care? We all know the bikes can remain serviceable for many, many years. I own and ride four English classics -- three Raleighs and a Phillips -- that date to 1956, 1969, 1972 and 1974. But, with the exception of the Phillips I have no idea how many miles were on them when I bought them over the past five years. The Phillips' former owner outlined previous use that included probably at least 10,000 miles. I've since put another 1,000 miles on the bike and it still rides beautifully, especially considering that it's a low-end economy machine. My '72 Raleigh Superbe looks to have had considerable use, to which I have added about 1,400 miles. My '56 Raleigh Sports has also seen much use but I cannot estimate it in miles. My mint condition '74 Raleigh Sports (beautiful, unfaded original Bronze Green paint and decals)looks like it was ridden a few times and then carefully stored for many years. If anyone has an informed view of how many miles we can expect from these bikes, I'd be very interested in that information. Of course I'm assuming periodic replacement of worn parts -- chains, cables, pedals, etc. Thanks in advance for any replies.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   mileage life posted by David on 11/22/2005 at 4:36:01 PM
These bikes seem to hold up very well with little or no maintenance. With good maintenance it seems like they should easily outlast us, even if they're ridden a lot. I doubt that there was enough experience with steel bicycles, when these were designed in the early 20th century, even to estimate what their life might be.
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AGE / VALUE:   check out this sunbeam posted by: sam on 11/21/2005 at 6:19:50 PM
The spair cranks show the sunbeam 2 speed crank gears!
http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&catref=C6&from=R10&satitle=sunbeam&sacat=7294%26catref%3DC6&bs=Search&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D3&sadis=200&fpos=Postcode&ga10244=10425&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=
sam
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lenton Sports on that auction site... posted by: Kurt K. on 11/21/2005 at 2:15:03 PM
NMA:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1940s-Raleigh-531-Reynolds-Lenton-Sports-Road-Bike-NR_W0QQitemZ7198730234QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

-Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lenton Sports on that auction site... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/21/2005 at 11:24:19 PM
Hmmmm.... Intersting how the condition is stated. Yet, I'm seeing relatively intact box pinstriping... a couple of cracks in the celluloid mudguards. Mosly age related "sitting around" kind of rust. Seat is... well, about what one would expect I suppose....

1960 plate would indicate that would be pretty much the NEWEST it could be....

Paramus is definitely within reach of my location.... We'll watch this one for a while. :-)

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lenton Sports on that auction site... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/21/2005 at 11:28:19 PM
What the....? Open it up and it sez 6 daze and so many hours... go to click "watch"... and it vanishes into the realm of "This Auction Has Ended".

With NO bids.....

Hmmmm... strange.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lenton Sports on that auction site... posted by David on 11/21/2005 at 11:50:18 PM
Auction ended early "due to an error in listing." Maybe they decided the starting price should be more than a buck! Maybe they'll relist. Send 'em an email.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lenton Sports on that auction site... posted by David on 11/21/2005 at 11:50:26 PM
Auction ended early "due to an error in listing." Maybe they decided the starting price should be more than a buck! Maybe they'll relist. Send 'em an email.
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lenton Sports on that auction site... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/22/2005 at 2:06:58 PM
Yep. Been relisted... with a $99 shipping price tag.

Well, I'll watch it. If I can still pick it up as opposed to paying an usorious amount for shipping, perhaps I'll bid on it.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lenton Sports on that auction site... posted by David on 11/22/2005 at 10:26:03 PM
Ask 'em about pickup; that often turns an iffy deal into a good one. I got a nice Paramount frame recently that I avoided $40 shipping on. Changed the whole complexion of the deal!
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