AGE / VALUE:   Christmas Presents - Bicycles of course posted by: Matthew on 12/20/2005 at 6:32:41 PM
Show and tell. Which of us has received a bicycle for Christmas in the past? I recall a cherry red Halfords Gemini 22 (It had two 11" wheels and was a single speed Moulton lookalike without suspension). Halfords are motorfactors (auto spares shops) with cycle departments, lord only knows who made the bikes, NOT Raleigh. My Gemini arrived Christmas 1972. So what did you guys get & when?

Matthew - Ho Ho Ho!
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Christmas Presents - Bicycles of course posted by Spike on 12/20/2005 at 9:55:42 PM
I can't do Christmas but if you will allow I can do 2 birthdays.Circa 1953 I was given a Roadmaster Roadking with twin spring front suspension WWs, tank,horn and rear rack.Rode the heck out of it and it was stolen at about a year old.Circa 1955/56 I was given a Hercules Royal Prince
black 3 speed It had a cream colored rear fender blaze.My best friend coincedently had a black Royal King which had a white blaze.As I remember, they both had a window shift indicator.My right pedal came off and we never did sucessfully fix it because we didn't have the sense to take it to a proper English bike shop for repair.Tricky to pedal with my toe on the tip of the crank.
I still have a fondness for 3 speeds and fat tire bikes.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Christmas Presents - Bicycles of course posted by Jeff R on 12/20/2005 at 10:48:29 PM
I recieved an Indian Scout for my birthday back in December of 1952. I still have it and ride it almost every day in the warmer months. Back when it was new and I was much younger I rode it to school all winter. I wish I could still do that. Ah the good old days.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Christmas Presents - Bicycles of course posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/21/2005 at 12:45:02 AM
Circa 1968 I received a gold Columbia Playbike 3-speed for Christmas. I took meticulous care of it for years... even after I acquired my 10 speed Sprite 27 in 1970. Both bikes were in near pristine condition when my folks gave them away to a couple of kids in the neighborhood. They trashed them. :-(

Perhaps that's why I've been acquiring Roadsters and such for restoration / preservation. It was rather unsettling to see these bikes a mere year after they were given away.....

Oh well. Who knew, eh?

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Christmas Presents - Bicycles of course posted by Jeff on 12/21/2005 at 4:18:42 PM
My father owned a small welding and repair shop in the fifties. All the bikes us kids had were made out of spare parts. I remember a couple of twenty four inchers and later maybe twenty sixes. Most had one or no fenders and sometimes one pedal. I didn't have a new bike until I bought myself a new Sports in the early seventies. Like a fool I sold it a couple years later and bought a Ross ten speed. Oh well, live and learn.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Christmas Presents - Bicycles of course posted by Wayne on 12/21/2005 at 7:47:00 PM
The one I remember the most was the 3 speed C.C.M. roadster that I got for Christmas in 1959. It was metallic green with all accessories in white, including brake and gear cables. I kept it right up into the mid 1980's when the frame finally broke on it.
The worst thing about it was that my parents would not let me ride it until Spring (they didn't want an eleven year old out in the snow on a bicycle). Boy, that was one long winter!

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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Christmas Presents - Bicycles of course posted by sam on 12/22/2005 at 5:17:48 PM
Christmas 1957 brought me a J.C.Higgins 2 speed(middle weight),with front rack,bat.light,chrome fenders&rims.The light fell off on the first ride.---sam
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Christmas Presents - Bicycles of course posted by Kurt K. on 12/23/2005 at 2:43:27 AM
--> *Make note to self...do not bother with 1950's JC Higgins middleweights*

-Kurt
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Christmas Presents - Bicycles of course posted by Howard on 3/11/2008 at 3:41:33 PM
Wow! I thought I was the only person alive who remembered the Gemini 22. I had a red one too (circa 1973).
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MISC:   Raleigh Model 12???? posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/18/2005 at 12:30:35 PM
Did Raleigh actually make motorbikes?

http://cgi.ebay.com/RALEIGH-MODEL-12-800-V-TWIN-VINTAGE-BIKE-24-PRINT-PHOTO_W0QQitemZ4596997607QQcategoryZ52641QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
(confused as HE|| in Northeast, PA)
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   RE:MISC:   Raleigh Model 12???? posted by Tom on 12/18/2005 at 2:58:50 PM
From what I remember there was a complete and restored bike on Ebay around a year ago. It looked great. Went for big bucks.
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   RE:MISC: Raleigh Model 12???? posted by Warren on 12/18/2005 at 4:02:15 PM
Yes and you would be astonished at the number of bike manufacturers who made both and likewise, motorbike makers who started in bicycles. The golden age of bicycles in the late 1800's just preceded the advent of cars. It was a natural to stick a motor in a beefed up roadster and let it rip. And pray it stops.
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   RE:MISC: Raleigh Model 12???? posted by paul on 12/18/2005 at 10:49:15 PM
Back 10 or more years ago I had a Raleigh Moped with 49cc engine. It was made by Motobecane of France. It was very fast for a moped. I traded it for some needed contracting work. paul
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   RE:MISC: Raleigh Model 12???? posted by paul on 12/18/2005 at 10:49:36 PM
Back 10 or more years ago I had a Raleigh Moped with 49cc engine. It was made by Motobecane of France. It was very fast for a moped. I traded it for some needed contracting work. paul
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   RE:MISC: Raleigh Model 12???? posted by sam on 12/19/2005 at 3:12:40 PM
You can check out photos and history on all types of motored bicycles at:
www.buzzing.org
sam
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   RE:MISC:   Raleigh Model 12???? posted by Matthew on 12/19/2005 at 6:40:24 PM
Hi Larry & folks,

Motorbikes, mopeds, three wheeled cars and vans too! The cars were very neat and from the rear looked just like an Austin Seven (made in the States as the Bantam I think?). The vans were very small (pie) vans with wood & canvas bodies and that thumping v-twin next to the driver, too hot in summer and a bit under powered for a 5cwt van. The Reliant company took over production of the three wheelers and became world leaders in the three wheeled car market for about 50 years. They developed their own aluminium 4 cylinder 45 cu in engine which was brilliant. The Raleigh mopeds, from the RM1, Runabout and later Wisp were all 1950's to 1970's Raliegh products. The Wisp was a motorised RSW capable of 40 mph when tuned....aaaargh!

Matthew - not willing to be a test pilot.
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   RE:MISC:   Raleigh Model 12???? posted by Matthew on 12/19/2005 at 9:34:30 PM
Thinking about it here's a sort of list of manufacturers who made bicycles and motorcycles too. (Not a definitive list just a rough one)
Raleigh, BSA, Triumph (may not be connected), Royal Enfield, New Hudson, Phillips, Singer, there are almost certainly many more.

Matthew - raking through my memory.
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   RE:RE:MISC: Raleigh Model 12???? posted by Chris on 12/20/2005 at 4:34:15 PM
By 1930 all the motorized aspects of Raleigh were let go of and a fellow took everyting to Tamworth and started up Reliant. Raleigh kept up the pedal bicycles and was not involved with motors again until the late 1950's.
Then...
Raleigh went through a lot to get it together to bring out a Raleigh moped with all in house or Raleigh made componets. Then what did they do?
The year after they had introduced the thing they bring out another one with the French made engine.
Everybody was making mopeds the Italians, The French and the Brits. What killed them all was the fact that the sweet little Honda 50 was very reliable and incorporated decent leg shields that folks like Raleigh made you pay extra for. That combined with innovative and agressive marketing that was no less than being blessed by the gods it was so sucessful. Also the fact that the Raleigh perople were wheeling in the Honda to take to bits and examine and they were in there with the compettitor's bike all strewn apart and they were looking it over, stroking their beards and exclaiming
Oh,My . We are done for!
They were. As was all the long list of many brand names from other countries. What Honda started back in just recently post war ruined Japan with those copied Whizzer (Pontiac Michigan, by the way!) bike motors mounted on Japanese made English Raleigh copy bikes running on pine tree needle extract home brew fuel was the birth of Honda. Then the Honda mopeds that wiped out ALL OF THE COMPETITION. What Honda did with those mopeds how they took over so much was phenominal. Then race winning motorcycles that did the same, even quicker- to the motorcycle makers. Then they had enough to do it again. Make a wonderful, reliable little car that runs forever.
Then other things and in 1960 they were studying light aircraft as well. Those Raleigh engineers may have been the very first to pull apart a Honda and exclaim "Oh No! This is going to be the death of us."
It is still going on today.
The team that did the 50's Cadillacs . The ones with the fins especially. The best way to study history is to inherit boxes full of tech drawings, photographs up the wazoo of everything imagiable, catalogs, production notes, samples and diamond tie tacks only given to high up engineers with 35 years service. "
Today, after years of swimming in a 70 plus year study of all things G.M.( Funny thing is... It branches out to cover a wide and deeply acquired representation of everything Chrysler and Ford (The terrible competition!) and others were up to also) Everything that even might of been a challenge to what beloved G.M. was up to. It's there and it was studied closely.
Except for the Japanese products. The miniscule bit of material on Honda makes me feel they should have been studying Honda instead of Lincoln. As for Lincoln history. You drop it and pick it up, stunned. You can't believe how awesome those were as well. They leaned over his death bed. All of them came and said: "Mac, will you let me have your job?" 40 years later, different people leaned over mom's bed as well. Only trying to steal it from being willed to me. They failed, wholesale.
After putting it all back into storage, opening up the Acura T.S.X. (Honda) just a little smitch on the highway and gasping.
It's been fun. I'll never forget all those rows upon rows of film sitting in that ruined building about to be buried forever. Just finished the book: I.B.M. and the Holocaust by Edwin Black. Highly recommend it. The History channel is very adept at covering old Adolf from a ever new and interestingly informative new angle but you never will salvage/ find/ study/acquire or profit from.. anything America's people and companies is throwing out or wants buried from the light of day forever from unfriendly lawyers by watching television. Question is do you want the burden of it. If it's not interesting, if it has no cash value, do you want it? Boxes of bicycle parts are always more fun than files, film and controversial stuff somebody powerful wants buried. Sorry, but I'm out to learn and have fun. Not wanting to be an Erin Brockovitch.Never know what you will find picking through this old world.
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   RE:MISC:   Raleigh Model 12???? posted by Matthew on 12/20/2005 at 6:30:10 PM
An interesting point. The year when British motorcycle sales peaked was 1959. Two other significant events that year, the launch of the all new Austin Seven Mini / Morris Mini-Minor. Also the introduction of a new Scooterette from of all places Japan, it was, of course, the Honda 50. I believe Herr Schumacher (not Michael) said, 'Small is beautiful.'
The British Motorcycle industry never recovered.

Matthew - still driving British, Rover its not Over yet.
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   RE:RE:MISC:   Raleigh Model 12???? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/21/2005 at 12:54:59 AM
My first motorycyle was... of all things, a 1950 AJS 500 Twin. It was such a rare item in this country (late 70's mind you) that I had to special order SPARK PLUGS for it.

As to the demise of the British motorcycle... and the demise of Indian and the near demise of Harley Davidson... well, they certainly were taken completely unawares by the juggernaut that was the Japanese Motorcycle contingent.

Oddly enough, I've seen Rudges, Sunbeams and a couple of other more common Britbikes (Norton, Triumph, BSA) at antique bike meets here and again. They have a certain charm and appeal for sure. And in their day were absolutely state of the art. My 1950 AJS had a fully sprung rear suspension WITH hydraulic dampers. Many H.D. and Indians... were STILL "Hardtails" at that time.

Triumph is alive and well and pretty much re-engineered from the ground up. The "Rocket" is a freaking ANIMAL of a motorcycle... albeit very "eclectic" in design. They've even re-engineered the "Bonneville" to look and even sound like a modern "Cruiser". The sound comes from the standard paralell twin... with a diffirent firing cadence oddly enough.

And of course they make "Crotch Rockets" that are insane too. Kinda what got them back on their feet... and then the whole dang place burned down as I recall... but they are recovering.

Sadly, the British Industrial Might that brought us so much... and lead the way for so long... well... I don't know if it will ever re-gain it's strength... or if any of the major industrial "powers" will.... now that everything is made elsewhere (cheap labour). But... you never know!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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   RE:MISC: Raleigh Model 12???? posted by sam on 12/21/2005 at 4:12:45 PM
Indian ended up being owned by Phillips(BCC)To use their dealers to sell their several british motorcycle brands.
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   RE:RE:MISC: Raleigh Model 12???? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/22/2005 at 10:29:02 AM
Interesting. Recently Indian was resurrected... they started out making bikes again... alas VERY expensive. The re-birth was short lived. Two or three years. I had spoken at length with a fellow that had a "Silver Cloud" model. Oddly enough he had it two seasons and then showed up at the local "Bike Night" on a Kawi 1500 Classic.

Many of us were quite puzzled by this. His explanation? The Indian was SO problematic... that the Indian Co. would no longer honor his warranty.

They were certainly beautiful bikes... but the "Chief" listed for a whopping $24,000.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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AGE / VALUE:   Also an original Bartleet's bicycle book posted by: sam on 12/18/2005 at 4:36:03 AM
It's on Ebay.uk.starting price of about $100.--sam
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AGE / VALUE:   Tandem to check out on ebay posted by: sam on 12/18/2005 at 4:10:29 AM
The K drums and cranks are worth bidding on but also take a look at the front stem!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1930s-New-Hudson-LTd-St-Georges-Works-Tandem-Bicycle_W0QQitemZ6589702885QQcategoryZ420QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
sam
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Tandem to check out on ebay posted by Tom on 12/18/2005 at 2:57:02 PM
Sam
I saw that yesterday and liked it. I noticed the rear hub is is flipped around. Should it be with the cog on the right side and the front crank on the left side. It would be easy enough to do with cottered cranks. I don't like that he is asking for money to take it apart before shipping costs.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Tandem to check out on ebay posted by David on 12/19/2005 at 2:05:32 AM
I guess it was a basket case and someone assembled it who didn't know much about bikes. I suspect you'd find LH-threaded pedals on the RH side of this bike.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Tandem to check out on ebay posted by Matthew on 12/19/2005 at 6:44:23 PM
This would be rare on our side of the pond let alone in Syracuse. Worth more than breaking it up for spares. The whole bike probably dates from the same age as the rear hub 1935.

Matthew
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Values posted by: will on 12/16/2005 at 1:42:08 AM
Hi Everyone. Can you tell me what a 70's era men's Raleigh is worth more or less, if it is in decent condition?

Thanks,

Will
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Values posted by Kurt K. on 12/16/2005 at 2:06:26 AM
What type? Sports, Superbe, LTD, DL-1?

-Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Values posted by will on 12/16/2005 at 2:13:37 AM
Kurt, a superbe
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Values posted by Warren on 12/16/2005 at 3:18:59 AM
Here's a near perfect example that just sold on ebay for $300...worth it.

http://tinyurl.com/dfx5c
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