AGE / VALUE:   Euro City Bike posted by: brent on 12/5/2005 at 8:26:09 PM
I'm hoping someone here might be able to shed some light on a recent find. Mainly trying to find the country of origin. The bike is by Cortina, Sturmey drum brake up front and 3-spd/drum in rear dated 1983 laced to 700c stainless steel rims stamped Roesturij and a sticker marked Van Schothorst. Full fenders front and rear. Rear rack with a plastic skirt guard type of setup and a rear wheel lock. I'm assuming that it's Dutch, but the wheels have Woods valves. I didn't think that those were used in Europe. Thanks
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Unique Rims, Rare Tyres posted by: Tom on 12/4/2005 at 9:33:35 PM
I was out to visit a friend and ended up trading some stuff. I ended up with 4 NOS Dunlop Champion 26 x 1 1/4" EA1 tyres and a pair of 36 hole 26 x 1 1/4" Araya aero rims. The rims were in the original paper wrapping. I have not seen or heard of these rims before. The tyres will go on my 1948 Rudge Aero and 50's Eatons Glider Custom Racer. I posted a picture of the rims and tyres.
On another topic I am looking for a 36 hole Sturmey Archer single speed rear drum brake hub with threads for cog and lockring. I have the same hub, a 40 hole NOS hub to trade.


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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Unique Rims, Rare Tyres posted by Kurt K. on 12/4/2005 at 9:54:52 PM
I had one of those Araya alloy EA1 rims - traded it to Neal Lerner. It had been built up, but, regretfully, I have no idea what bike it came off of.

Take care,

-Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Unique Rims, Rare Tyres posted by Neal on 12/4/2005 at 10:35:32 PM
Yup, I'm the proud owner of that Araya 26 x 1 1/4 36-hole alloy rim from Kurt. I wouldn't say it has the aero profile of the one you show, Tom, and I'd love to find a 40-hole variant similar to what I have if anyone has one for sale or trade.

On the topic of unique, I put together a Raleigh Competition Tourist the last few days. It's an early 70s Competition frame (with a Gran Sport paint job), rear wheel w/ a 40-hole 27" Weinmann rim and a 1953 Sturmey Archer AW alloy hub (taken from a Rudge I parted out). Front is wheel is a sort of matching Weinmann rim. I stayed with the Weinmann center-pull brakes w/ old chromed steel levers, but put on a new Sugino 48-tooth alloy crank, Nitto Promenade bars and GB stem. Not pictured are the white bluemmels mudguards it's now sporting. I'd be riding it around today, but we've had a couple of inches of snow in the Boston area.

Neal


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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Unique Rims, Rare Tyres posted by Tom on 12/4/2005 at 11:20:47 PM
The rims I got are steel and have an oval top to them, no shoulders or sharp bends. They are nice old NOS rims.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Unique Rims, Rare Tyres posted by sam on 12/5/2005 at 3:46:02 PM
Robert built me up an araya w/o 27" rims for a 1953McLean.The arays alum rims(weinmann clones) I used were 36/40. The bike will have a FM with top tube shifter,and netto moustach bars(turned down)Cloth rapped and shellaced.NOS GB brakes.
I'd like to find Araya W/O 27" rims in 32 holes---anyone know of any?--sam
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Unique Rims, Rare Tyres posted by Jeff R on 12/6/2005 at 12:48:55 AM
I have a pair of Araya EA 1 - 26 X 1 1/4 - 36 spoke hole rims that I would like to trade for a pair of 27 X 1 1/4 rims with 32, 40 spokes. The chrome is very good on these rims.
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AGE / VALUE:   Free Spirt 3-Speed posted by: Eric on 12/4/2005 at 7:42:13 AM
Hi. Now considering a 70's era Free Spirit, will check to see if rear hub is a Sturmey. I think Free Spirit was a Sears brand, and I know my dad had a Sears 3-speed english-style bike circa '73 actually made in Austria. His bike just said "Sears" on it, none of that "Free Spirit" stuff. Seller is asking $69. Anybody know anything about who made the Free Spirit 3-speed? Any collectability issues would be secondary to me, I am just toying with picking up an english-style 3 speed because I think they have a certain panache and I think almost nobody still imports them to the states any more.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:???Free Spirt 3-Speed posted by Robert on 12/5/2005 at 2:59:29 AM
I believe the older Sears bikes were made by Puch. Those had the SA hubs. The later sears 3-speeds used the Shimano hubs. I don't know who made the frames at that time but they weren't of the same quality as the Puch, heavier and not as nicely finished. They are OK riders but nothing spectacular.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Free Spirt 3-Speed posted by Spike on 12/7/2005 at 6:15:09 PM
I would hold out for an actual Raleigh built bike.I'm no big time collector but I had a very nice almost spotless one owner mid 60s mens Phillips,And have a very nice one owner mid 60s mens Armstrong each purchased for less than $50.Also a very nice early 70s mens Rollfast that is Raleigh right down to the fender stays that cost $25.I'm in the north east so I think the weather is against finding nice bikes.But with presistance I think you can find them anywhere.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Free Spirt 3-Speed posted by Ron on 12/8/2005 at 3:52:56 AM
Free Spirit was just Sears brand name for their bikes. I think it was used over a several year period. If it is an Austrian bike, it will have a cottered crank, probably with a cotter on the left crank arm only. If it has a one piece (Astabula) type crank, then it was likely made by Murray or Huffy. The Austrian bikes are much lighter and nicer riding than the American ones.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Free Spirt 3-Speed posted by Ed on 12/23/2005 at 12:49:10 AM
The 80's Free Sprit had cottered cranks. This was made in Tiwan. Before that Murray of Ohio. The last year for made in Austria Sears bicycles I am not shure but the Steyr made bicycles were far far beter. I ride Steyr Austrian bicycles and find they are of high quality. The only down side is the headset is an odd size. I like my Steyr brand Sport Racer better than my 68 Raleigh Sprite.
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AGE / VALUE:   Ral Superbe posted by: jack on 12/4/2005 at 12:58:59 AM
Hi Folks, long time since I've posted here. I've been slowly (and painfully) culling the herd but ran into a strange Superbe. At first I thought it was a Dutch Raleigh but a decal says Made in England. The 3-sp SA date is '82 and the 26" rims sure look like stainless. It has a fully enclosed chain guard (w/stenciled Superbe) AND drum brakes f&r! Odd color too, kind of a blue-gray. Left fork had brazed generator-hanger and wiring ran inside tubes. It also has 3-piece Al crank (looks stock)!

Any thoughts on this bike? Its certainly not like the regular US export bikes of the era. My best guess is its either home market or more likely for Euro export.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ral Superbe posted by Kurt K. on 12/4/2005 at 2:04:00 AM
No doubt, one of the Euro models - seen them before.

This has to be the first one I hear with drum brakes and an aluminum cotterless crankset though.

Any pics?

-Kurt
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Ral Superbe posted by Warren on 12/4/2005 at 4:51:35 AM
Sounds like one of the Danish bikes.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ral Superbe posted by Matthew on 12/4/2005 at 12:52:43 PM
Definately sounds UK and not export. some mid / late 80's machines did appear a little 'euro'. I have seen the internal wiring and brazed on dyno brackets on stock UK sales cycles in Raleigh dealers. Of course 'made in England' can mean 'just put it together here'. the colour is rare but not unknown. Sounds like a good find. I guess the drum brakes are SA and there fore a special order item. Post 1989 GPO bicycles (all Pashleys) had SA drum brakes, not always effective, especially when combined with three speed rear hubs.

Matthew - Made in England!
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Ral Superbe posted by sam on 12/5/2005 at 3:52:47 PM
Could this be a shorten name of Raynal?
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ral Superbe posted by David on 12/6/2005 at 6:05:08 AM
Wouldn't the headlamp fitting on the LEFT fork leg indicate it was built for export to a land where one keeps to the RIGHT on the road?
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hopper? posted by: Scott Baxter on 12/3/2005 at 7:16:33 PM
I don't work with old English Roadsters, but this caught my attention. It's unmolested but quite neglected, stored in a basement. "Hopper" is prominent on the seat tube. I can't see much more of it yet. If paint and decals are all proper, no rust, etc., what is this thing worth to anyone once rehabilitated? It could be a fun winter project, but I wouldn't ride it myself. I know I'm not providing enough information on this bike for any wild guess, but I don't know where to start. Either these were the Huffys of their day or they had a positive reputation then that has carried over into a niche market.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Hopper? posted by Warren on 12/3/2005 at 7:36:15 PM
Hoppers date back to the 1880's...doesn't make it worth a fortune but it may be real nice just the same. I'd say they had a good reputation. They merged with Elswick at some point and they made nice bikes.

Check Sheldons website.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/elswick.html
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Hopper? posted by sam on 12/3/2005 at 11:47:32 PM
Do a search under elswick hopper---Nigal has a good Hopper site and may be able to help.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hopper? posted by Matthew on 12/4/2005 at 12:47:01 PM
Hoppers - built at Barton upon Humber, North Lincolnshire (once called Humberside but back to original name now). The Elswick name came in as a joining of the two companies. Hopper had a very good name and were well known for quality durable heavyweights. I believe the company roots live on in the Townsend / Falcon / Claude Butler brands.

Matthew - recollection is a wonderful thing; what was I saying?
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