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Archived: English Roadsters







ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I can't figure it out... posted by: Kurt K. on 1/11/2005 at 1:21:09 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=420&item=6504440786&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Five days to go on this one - it's a late 1960's Sports (1969 to be exact), but it's already hit $152.50.

This I can't figure out...is it because of the year? Doubtful - anything scratching the '70s isn't particularly popular. Similar Sports have gone unsold for less.

Dynohub? I doubt it as well, although not too common to see on a Sports type frame (unless it's a Superbe).

I've heard comments in the past that some fellows prefer the 23" frame, which leads me to suspect that as the main reason it has jumped up in price (let alone get any bids from the $99 start).

I wouldn't have ever thought the larger frames to be desireable to such an extent. Can anyone confirm this?

-Kurt, wondering why the seat and stem on a 21" cannot be raised sufficiently.


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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I can't figure it out... posted by Dick in FL on 1/11/2005 at 2:25:28 AM
The bid price seems in line to me, Kurt. After all, dynohub light kits by themselves have reached $60 on ebay. Note: a few months ago a very nice Robin Hood went for $150. A 21" frame Raleigh with 26" wheels is not really an adult size. The 23/26 frame/wheel combination will work for men down to a 29" inseam. Interesting question on the short stems. I have wondered if the short head tubes on 19 and 21 inch frames limits the stem length that can be fully lowered. I have taken to using mountain bike stems to make small or women's bikes usable for men.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I can't figure it out... posted by David on 1/11/2005 at 11:40:22 PM
I'm over 6 feet and I needed an extra-long seat post for my 23" frame Sports. So the smaller frame would be that much worse. Also, I think the bike looks screwy when things are pulled up too far.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I can't figure it out... posted by David on 1/11/2005 at 11:45:31 PM
It's also from Max and is, no doubt, in good shape and ready to ride. I'm sure he's not lying about anything concerning it.
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: I can't figure it out... posted by Warren on 1/13/2005 at 7:10:42 PM
Then Max is fortunate to get that one bidder who has driven the price up singlehanded. Odd.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I can't figure it out... posted by David on 1/13/2005 at 10:56:04 PM
It's not so mysterious. Williamg put in a bid of $150. Then rmpcar put in one for $250 but only $152.50 was necessary to top the earlier bid. Then Williamg put in repeated bids to find out what rmpcar's bid was and finally got the high bid again of $255. A day later and no action, he put in a second bid of somewhat more (to preempt further bidding). I agree that it's not a low price for a Sports! (Remember the PX10 that went to Japan for 8 or 9 thou?)
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by: Tommy on 1/9/2005 at 5:12:18 AM
Dear Friends,
I'm searching everywhere for a dish for my metal pashley chain case. I'm willing to buy the whole case,or a substitute. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks for your help. Tommy
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Matthew on 1/9/2005 at 9:22:29 AM
Search Yahoo for the Pashley website and ask them. After all the prospero and princess are recent models and Pashley are in good health as manufacturers. I think they will be able to help.

Enjoy your passion for Pashley, Matthew
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by David on 1/9/2005 at 10:32:22 PM
www.pashley.co.uk
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Tommy on 1/10/2005 at 1:30:24 AM
Mathew, David, Thanks for your help. I was told by a US Pashely dealer in NC that the modern pashley chain cases were plastic and that metal ones could not be ordered. I will check directly with the factory for a second on this.
Tommy
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by James on 1/11/2005 at 1:27:33 AM
Would a Raleigh chain case disc work? If so there is always the indian option, though the paint might be too thick and glossy.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Tommy on 1/11/2005 at 3:10:47 AM
Dear James,
Thanks for this suggestion. I know at one time that Raleighs used a metal case with disc that at least in pictures look very similar to if not identical to what I'm looking for. Where can I find one? I had not thought of the Indian option, but this sounds like a good idea to check in to. Where should I start? Thanks for your help,
Tommy
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Edward in Vancouver on 1/11/2005 at 2:31:05 PM
A few years back I also started a quest for a full chain case, and quest is the right word. I also ordered a full chaincse from Pashley and was extremely dissapointed when I recieved two glossy black plastic halves with a bit of chromed plastic trim. It's in a cardboard box behind the freezer now... The Raleigh (and it's derivitives) chaincases were anchored on to the frame by a chaincase bolt, there is a specific braze-on on the right chainstay which is threaded to accept the bolt. Don't know if the Pashleys have this feature as well.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Tommy on 1/13/2005 at 2:00:41 AM
Thanks Edward,
Yes, I didn't want the plastic option. And yes, the Pashley metal case appears to be the same or similar to the Raleigh case, mounted the frame in the same manner. I know this because there was one for sale a month or so ago on ebay to my amazement and delight. Rather than immediately "buy it now" for 12 bucks, I e-mailed the seller the question of whether his Raleigh Sport Chain case disc would substitute for a Pashley. While I was waiting for his reply which never came, someone else "bought it now". I contacted the new buyer; he didn't respond either. Oh well.
Tommy

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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Edward in Vancouver on 1/13/2005 at 3:29:43 AM
If you like, I have two of the bodies--minus the elbow, pie plate cover, and sliding plates that enclose the hub, gathering dust in a corner. Yours for for the postage. Finding a whole one, with all the pieces intact and with decent paint/decals is like finding a wad of $100 bills in your coat pocket--it would be nice if it ever happened. Be aware of the DL-1 chaincase-it won't fit a sports/superbe, the elbow won't fit the sport/superbe chaincase either, but the pieplate is interchangeable. On this site there are "phantom" or "Blow-up" diagrams of parts, and there is a page devoted to chaincases. There are also subtle changes: Some elbows require two screws to anchor to the main case, some only one, some cases have a large brass screw on the top of the case, so you can dribble oil on to the chain. However, all of the cases are soldered together, and repairs/alterations can be made quite easily with a common blowtorch and plumbing solder.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Tommy on 1/14/2005 at 4:41:39 AM
Thanks again Edward, I will contact you off line for further converstion about your chain case componenets. In the meanwhile following up on James' suggestion, I tracked down a source of new Indian (Eastman)components for new roadster parts that are supposed to be interchangeable with DL-1 components. "http://www.yellowjersey.org/eastbits.html"
Tommy
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by tommy on 1/14/2005 at 4:58:42 AM
Dear James,
How do I contact one directly from this page? You mentioned on the "Roadsters" web page that you had a couple of chain case bodies around. Did you say they were Pashley or a substitute? Are they the same? If so, I'd be interested in relieving you of at least one of them. If they differ, I'd like to try both to see which might fit better. What condition are they in? My Pashley does have its chain case in tact, albeit without the pie plate. But my case is quite bent, hence my interest in what you might have. Let me know how much I can give you for them, plus shipping, and where to mail this to you. Thanks bunches!
Tommy
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by tommy on 1/15/2005 at 2:17:30 AM
My last message was intended for Edward, not James. Thanks, T.
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Edward in Vancouver on 1/15/2005 at 8:39:26 PM
Try info@chatterboxbc.com/anitspam (remove the anti-spam)
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AGE / VALUE:   Marcelo's web site posted by: sam on 1/9/2005 at 2:52:44 AM
Check out this link to Marcelo's site and it has a link to his Roadesters---great photos
http://www.bikemagazine.com.br/especial/bmx_pantera/bmx_pantera.htm
---sam
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Marcelo's web site posted by Tommy on 1/13/2005 at 1:56:06 AM
Thanks Edward,
Yes, I didn't want the plastic option. And yes, the Pashley metal case appears to be the same or similar to the Raleigh case, mounted the frame in the same manner. I know this because there was one for sale a month or so ago on ebay to my amazement and delight. Rather than immediately "buy it now" for 12 bucks, I e-mailed the seller the question of whether his Raleigh Sport Chain case disc would substitute for a Pashley. While I was waiting for his reply which never came, someone else "bought it now". I contacted the new buyer; he didn't respond either. Oh well.
Tommy
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   can eneyone help? posted by: jill on 1/7/2005 at 10:23:24 PM
my dad has a raleigh cycle with original documents he bought it in 1948 for his 21st birthday (he was born in 1927) his raleigh is dark green and is fitted with the original and genuine sturmey-archer three-speed gear the number of his bike is 645561p and he has a rear dinamo with lamp but he needs some new parts for his lamp,can eneyone help us? it is in excerlent condition as he has always treated as his baby(as it was the first thing he ever bought)it is a bit heavy for him to ride now so he keeps it loveingly locked away only bringing it out to clean and cheek tire presure,i look forwar to hearing from eneyone and may i add my dad is going to love this site
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: can eneyone help? posted by sam on 1/9/2005 at 11:07:38 PM
I'm sure someone here can give a little help---just tell us what is missing or broke?---sam
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Some Bluemmels fenders for sale (Popular & Lightweight) posted by: Kurt K on 1/7/2005 at 9:29:42 PM
Thought this was interesting, although they are rather late model fenders:

http://mostlymusclebikes.com/roadbike/fenderlist.htm

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Some Bluemmels fenders for sale (Popular & Lightweight) posted by warren on 1/8/2005 at 1:39:01 AM
I think the white Lightweights are a great deal at $25. They've been around for quite some time.
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Some Bluemmels fenders for sale (Popular & Lightweight) posted by Kurt K on 1/8/2005 at 2:45:17 AM
I must agree - I'm tempted to purchase them myself!
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AGE / VALUE:   Royal Scot posted by: Kevin on 1/6/2005 at 9:47:56 PM
Found a nice '69 3-speed w/headbadge Royal Scot, cool bike w/whitewalls and Miller generator w/swiss rack made by Raleigh but never seen one before. I had to add it to the
bunch.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh fork crown on eBay posted by: Kurt K on 1/6/2005 at 3:15:09 AM
NRTS...interesting little piece!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=56197&item=7124858704&rd=1
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh fork crown on eBay posted by Edward inVancouver on 1/7/2005 at 4:07:39 AM
Now I know why the fork always weighed so much....
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   who can tell me what i have????? posted by: jody mcclure on 1/6/2005 at 2:51:33 AM
hi
i have a 28" english roadster i picked up at a yard sale it says on the gold plated badge THE EASTERN STAR by atlas. on the frame it says the best steel bicycle. it is black with white tip fenders red and gold pinstrip.it has a goodyear wheel lock on it as well that i cant find any info on. does any body have any ideas? thanks
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   who can tell me what i have????? posted by James on 1/13/2005 at 7:50:17 AM
It sounds Indian to me, Atlas was an indian company, - their Ads sometimes appear in vintage bicycle advertising collections - indian roadsters usually have red and gold pinstriping and the expression "best steel bicycle" sounds terribly indian.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Barrett's Beater posted by: Kurt K. on 1/6/2005 at 2:29:36 AM
Just wanted to ask if you were able to strip that "Hialeah Refinished" paintjob off your Sports...rather curious to hear the results!

Take care,

Kurt
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MISC:   Dunlop rubber saddle posted by: David on 1/4/2005 at 6:06:51 PM
There's a NOS Dunlop rubber saddle on Ebay. It's a lot like a Brooks but rubber instead of leather. (Leave it out in the rain!) NMA


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6502511684
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   RE:MISC: Dunlop rubber saddle posted by Warren on 1/5/2005 at 2:18:37 AM
I've got a couple of them...comfortable but they get hot in the sun and then leave black marks on your trousers...wanna buy one? arfety-arf


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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Another recent Raleigh oddball posted by: David on 1/3/2005 at 11:00:26 PM
What do you make of this? Rod brakes, 26" tires, 1980 (?!)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6503004859
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Another recent Raleigh oddball posted by Warren on 1/3/2005 at 11:43:12 PM
1980? I don't think so...that looks like 50's-60's serifed Raleigh decals to me. And the rear Dyno? Nice. A perfect DL-1 for the inseam challenged.
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Another recent Raleigh oddball posted by Kurt K on 1/3/2005 at 11:56:09 PM
Definitely not a DL-1!

Looks like a 23" Sports frame (take a look at the hub pic - the dropouts will give it away), with the same decals used on the DL-1s from the very late '70s. Not even a Raleigh "thimbled" fork...

Has wire stays, but Sports fenders - this setup is known as "Raleigh Industries fenders" I believe. I've only seen these on lower-end brand name models though.

Nothing too particularly earthshattering on this one though, save for the rod brakes. Looks almost like a '80's reincarnation of the Dawn Tourist.

Wish I knew what it said on the chainguard - would probably answer the question to what model this is...

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Another recent Raleigh oddball posted by Matthew on 1/4/2005 at 10:29:21 PM
Royal Roadster by Raliegh that's my guess, late 1980's

Matthew
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Another recent Raleigh oddball posted by David on 1/4/2005 at 10:34:16 PM
According to the seller, it says "Royal Roadster."
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Another recent Raleigh oddball posted by Edward in Vancouver on 1/5/2005 at 12:48:11 AM
Can't be a DL-1, the seat stays are brazed onto the frame, a'la Sports/Superbe. And the gear cable, it runs along the downtube to the chainstay--no cable along the top tube with a pulley. This set-up is used on most Raleighs after the mid 60's
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Another recent Raleigh oddball posted by Matthew on 1/5/2005 at 7:12:23 PM
Royal Roadsters are definitely late 70's early 80's.
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Another recent Raleigh oddball / RE: Warren Dynohubs posted by Kurt K. on 1/6/2005 at 2:23:52 AM
By the way - this is directed to Warren:

It's been found that the "Dyno-Three", also known as the AG was produced at least into 1979, possibly into 1980.

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Another recent Raleigh oddball / RE: Warren Dynohubs posted by Warren on 1/6/2005 at 4:14:54 AM
I'm falling behind on my DL-1 knowledge...maybe because I've never owned one (small enough that I could ride!)

Thanks for the AG timeline...I've got three of them and they all predate 1965!
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Just a thought posted by: Brian on 1/3/2005 at 10:30:53 PM
I was watching a program repeat about the Spitfire planes of WWII and that machine reminds me of other examples of English craftsmanship in the form of Rudge motorbikes & bicycles, Bentley's & Rolls, etc. There really is a worksmanship like grace to much of the older English mechanisms. Give me thick, black lacquer and rich chrome of older English bikes anytime over carbon (plastic) fiber and gawdy transfers of the rides today - unless of course I'm being chased by a rabid pitbull..then I'll take a Raleigh Ace!
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AGE / VALUE:   Auctions - how it is for me posted by: Matthew on 1/2/2005 at 9:26:43 PM
I have seldom started a new thread but we seem to be slow at the moment so here goes.

Following Kurt's comment at the end(?) of the Rudge thread I thought long and hard about auctions in general and tried to apply my mind to how they are for me so here goes.

I arrive, sometimes ready to haul cycles away with me and other times just ready to view and maybe bid to buy. (I never bid otherwise, 'tapping up' is unethical) By now I'm interested and a bit excited, there could be something here that I really would like to have at home. The dialema being what to sell if I buy a another. I walk quickly to the cycle section of the sale and stand at a distance gazing at what is for sale. If I see no rod brakes I just walk on by, but let's say there are a few 'clunkers' for sale. I walk the line giving every cycle the once over including which ever are of interest to me. All this time I am watching for the sellers and the dealers, in case they are watching me. The initial search over I go back and give the most interesting cycle a good look, date the three speed etc (but don't tell everyone what I'm doing unless they ask). Then I decide on a price, £20 would be tops at the local sale yard unless we are looking at a trade bike (cycle truck) because these baby's will make three figures on the right day. I have let several go because the price has been silly. My GPO cycle came home at £2 and I rode a 1954 Triumph home which cost me a pound (yes £1), made it all the 7 miles back home with only a squeaky pedal to slow me down. When it comes to bidding I'm the disinterested party at the back, only making a bid when necessary. There are two very successful ways of bidding. 1) Go in with your max bid at the start and cut out the penny bidders who waste time and aren't very serious about what they are buying. (If you really want the item and will pay good money to get it you are unlikely to lose this way)
2)Wait until two bidders have run up the price and the auctioneer is about to lay his gavel down and close, then start bidding. Experience tells em that you will win within two bids.

Special bidding rule - I don't bid against youngsters, if they are interested enough to bid I would like them to have the chance to buy.

Tyre kicking and conjecture with fellow buyers before the sale is as much part of the sale process as bacon butties and large mugs of tea.

To me eBay seems very much the same and all the above advice applies too. No offence to Kurt, but a good old rummage over the facts and photos seems ideal material for us to discuss here.

Enjoy your cycles, sale and auctions. Remember to keep your hands in your pockets and don't scratch your nose if you aren't intending to buy.

Matthew.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Auctions - how it is for me posted by sam on 1/3/2005 at 3:48:07 AM
My only ebay rule is"never bid against Max!"I can't afford to win---sam
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Auctions - how it is for me posted by Kurt K on 1/6/2005 at 2:20:42 AM
Hello Matthew,

I must concur with your method of looking over cycles at sales, I regret that I have never had the chance to do so - English cycles are by no means easy to come by in the vicinity. In the same way, a cycle offered on eBay should be examined. As we saw with the Rudge and others before (that particular U.B.I. 'authorized' bike technician comes to mind), there are many cases in where the bike may be severely misstated by the seller. The "Raleigh Date Chart" circulating does not help either.

I do agree with your eBay bidding strategy as well, although I must say I usually use a snipe tool, which works out well for me: Enter my max, let it bid for me, and if I'm outbid, there's no time to enter a second bid that's essentially over my price limit.

I usually stay away from reserve auctions, as I find them to be a royal pain in the neck - a reserve only benifits the seller by creating a bidding frenzy.

I believe you mis-understood my comment about examining a cycle though. I must empathetically agree that a going over the details of any bike offered is an excellent thing to do.

My comments were mostly directed to the later postings which concentrated more on the speculation of price and inaccuracies in the auction, as I have seen many a forum blaze into a flamewar if a disagreement becomes heated enough - although I find it unlikely with the general demeanor of most English cycle collectors.

Take care,

Kurt
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   All Time Great Roadster Saves... posted by: Drew on 12/29/2004 at 10:35:42 PM
This is a pretty odd one....As I mention in the Rudge post, I spent a summer of '82 in Holland and one day I found myself walking through a large park with my brother and he trips over something sticking out of the ground. That object turned out to be a pedal of a ladies Raleigh Tourist, we dug it up, draged it home, cleaned and oiled this relic. We think it had been in the ground about a year or two, probably had been stolen then ditched ? My bother rode it the rest of that summer then sold it for about $15-$20. Not a great bike, but a great save!
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   All Time Great Roadster Saves... posted by Kurt K. on 1/6/2005 at 2:28:29 AM
Haha! A great story you have there. I'd like to see someone try to do the same with one of the new dpt. store MTBs...

There's nothing like a good old Raleigh!

Take care,

Kurt
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   TENSOR CYCLES posted by: martin on 12/27/2004 at 6:41:44 PM
I'm looking for some info on an old Tensor Cycles ? I think that is the name, anyway it says that in the head badge, but the frame says made in Germany, and the colors are like that of the German Flag. any info on when these bikes were made or is appreciated.
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