ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sports color selections, 1972/1973 posted by: Kurt K on 1/11/2005 at 1:46:01 AM
I've been working on the Raleigh Sports identification page once again, and have just begun to work on the final section, which basically details each model year's nuances.

Since I have had very few (if any) opportunities to see and research pre-1966 Sports models, I am starting with the mid and late '70s, the years that I have the most knowledge in, beginning with 1973, and contiuing each way until 1980 and 1945.

I've hit a snag on the details for the 1973 model year though. I believe this was the year Raleigh unveiled their new pinstriped block lettering and horrendous Rampar logos. I could only find Sheldon's 1976 catalog to provide me with a guide to the colors used during this period - I cannot find an accurate chart available online. I notice the 1973 catelouge shows that the Sports was offered in white (see tiny photo of the Sports on the last page), so the '76 colors can't be exactly what was used in '73.

Would one of the chaps here possibly have the list of colors available for 1973 (or any other year pre-1976)? It would also help to have the frame sizes for each specific color as well.

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Raleigh Sports color selections, 1972/1973 posted by sam on 1/12/2005 at 12:30:39 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2904&item=7125832951&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/catalogs/
a couple of links you might find interesting,Kurt
sam
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Raleigh Sports color selections, 1972/1973 posted by Kurt K. on 1/12/2005 at 2:31:04 AM
Thanks Sam - the '74 and '75 catalogues helped quite a bit, also ran into one site that may date the "new" Raleigh paint scheme to 1972 (but confirms that the different crank and self adjusting levers came out in '73). Still some info to be fished out though.

Interesting Swift there, has early S/A gearing too.

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Raleigh Sports color selections, 1972/1973 posted by paul on 1/13/2005 at 10:58:49 PM
I have an original 1974 Raleigh Sports in a "creamy" metallic silver with black pinstriping. Some metallics are harsh and metalflake-like (this is not). It's actually very eye catching. It still has the original gumwall tires marked Raleigh and lacks pump pegs. It rides very nicely, got it for $8.00 at a yard sale last summer, goes great with my other Brit cycles, '63 cranberry red Raleigh Sports, '65 maroon Rudge, '58 Lenton, '76 Bickerton, '99 "British Racing Green"Forever(Chinese) Rod Brakes faux British roadster. paul
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Raleigh Sports color selections, 1972/1973 posted by Kurt K. on 1/14/2005 at 6:09:38 PM
That's rather interesting, Paul - the only two "neutral" colors in the 1974 catalogue are Platinum and Ivory Glaze (lady's frame only in '74), neither of which appear to fit your color description.

Curious - does it happen to match the color below, or is it much lighter, almost a white?

http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/catalogs/Raleigh74/16Sports.jpg

Take care,

Kurt
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I can't figure it out... posted by: Kurt K. on 1/11/2005 at 1:21:09 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=420&item=6504440786&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Five days to go on this one - it's a late 1960's Sports (1969 to be exact), but it's already hit $152.50.

This I can't figure out...is it because of the year? Doubtful - anything scratching the '70s isn't particularly popular. Similar Sports have gone unsold for less.

Dynohub? I doubt it as well, although not too common to see on a Sports type frame (unless it's a Superbe).

I've heard comments in the past that some fellows prefer the 23" frame, which leads me to suspect that as the main reason it has jumped up in price (let alone get any bids from the $99 start).

I wouldn't have ever thought the larger frames to be desireable to such an extent. Can anyone confirm this?

-Kurt, wondering why the seat and stem on a 21" cannot be raised sufficiently.


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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I can't figure it out... posted by Dick in FL on 1/11/2005 at 2:25:28 AM
The bid price seems in line to me, Kurt. After all, dynohub light kits by themselves have reached $60 on ebay. Note: a few months ago a very nice Robin Hood went for $150. A 21" frame Raleigh with 26" wheels is not really an adult size. The 23/26 frame/wheel combination will work for men down to a 29" inseam. Interesting question on the short stems. I have wondered if the short head tubes on 19 and 21 inch frames limits the stem length that can be fully lowered. I have taken to using mountain bike stems to make small or women's bikes usable for men.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I can't figure it out... posted by David on 1/11/2005 at 11:40:22 PM
I'm over 6 feet and I needed an extra-long seat post for my 23" frame Sports. So the smaller frame would be that much worse. Also, I think the bike looks screwy when things are pulled up too far.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I can't figure it out... posted by David on 1/11/2005 at 11:45:31 PM
It's also from Max and is, no doubt, in good shape and ready to ride. I'm sure he's not lying about anything concerning it.
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: I can't figure it out... posted by Warren on 1/13/2005 at 7:10:42 PM
Then Max is fortunate to get that one bidder who has driven the price up singlehanded. Odd.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I can't figure it out... posted by David on 1/13/2005 at 10:56:04 PM
It's not so mysterious. Williamg put in a bid of $150. Then rmpcar put in one for $250 but only $152.50 was necessary to top the earlier bid. Then Williamg put in repeated bids to find out what rmpcar's bid was and finally got the high bid again of $255. A day later and no action, he put in a second bid of somewhat more (to preempt further bidding). I agree that it's not a low price for a Sports! (Remember the PX10 that went to Japan for 8 or 9 thou?)
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by: Tommy on 1/9/2005 at 5:12:18 AM
Dear Friends,
I'm searching everywhere for a dish for my metal pashley chain case. I'm willing to buy the whole case,or a substitute. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks for your help. Tommy
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Matthew on 1/9/2005 at 9:22:29 AM
Search Yahoo for the Pashley website and ask them. After all the prospero and princess are recent models and Pashley are in good health as manufacturers. I think they will be able to help.

Enjoy your passion for Pashley, Matthew
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by David on 1/9/2005 at 10:32:22 PM
www.pashley.co.uk
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Tommy on 1/10/2005 at 1:30:24 AM
Mathew, David, Thanks for your help. I was told by a US Pashely dealer in NC that the modern pashley chain cases were plastic and that metal ones could not be ordered. I will check directly with the factory for a second on this.
Tommy
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by James on 1/11/2005 at 1:27:33 AM
Would a Raleigh chain case disc work? If so there is always the indian option, though the paint might be too thick and glossy.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Tommy on 1/11/2005 at 3:10:47 AM
Dear James,
Thanks for this suggestion. I know at one time that Raleighs used a metal case with disc that at least in pictures look very similar to if not identical to what I'm looking for. Where can I find one? I had not thought of the Indian option, but this sounds like a good idea to check in to. Where should I start? Thanks for your help,
Tommy
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Edward in Vancouver on 1/11/2005 at 2:31:05 PM
A few years back I also started a quest for a full chain case, and quest is the right word. I also ordered a full chaincse from Pashley and was extremely dissapointed when I recieved two glossy black plastic halves with a bit of chromed plastic trim. It's in a cardboard box behind the freezer now... The Raleigh (and it's derivitives) chaincases were anchored on to the frame by a chaincase bolt, there is a specific braze-on on the right chainstay which is threaded to accept the bolt. Don't know if the Pashleys have this feature as well.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Tommy on 1/13/2005 at 2:00:41 AM
Thanks Edward,
Yes, I didn't want the plastic option. And yes, the Pashley metal case appears to be the same or similar to the Raleigh case, mounted the frame in the same manner. I know this because there was one for sale a month or so ago on ebay to my amazement and delight. Rather than immediately "buy it now" for 12 bucks, I e-mailed the seller the question of whether his Raleigh Sport Chain case disc would substitute for a Pashley. While I was waiting for his reply which never came, someone else "bought it now". I contacted the new buyer; he didn't respond either. Oh well.
Tommy

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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Edward in Vancouver on 1/13/2005 at 3:29:43 AM
If you like, I have two of the bodies--minus the elbow, pie plate cover, and sliding plates that enclose the hub, gathering dust in a corner. Yours for for the postage. Finding a whole one, with all the pieces intact and with decent paint/decals is like finding a wad of $100 bills in your coat pocket--it would be nice if it ever happened. Be aware of the DL-1 chaincase-it won't fit a sports/superbe, the elbow won't fit the sport/superbe chaincase either, but the pieplate is interchangeable. On this site there are "phantom" or "Blow-up" diagrams of parts, and there is a page devoted to chaincases. There are also subtle changes: Some elbows require two screws to anchor to the main case, some only one, some cases have a large brass screw on the top of the case, so you can dribble oil on to the chain. However, all of the cases are soldered together, and repairs/alterations can be made quite easily with a common blowtorch and plumbing solder.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Tommy on 1/14/2005 at 4:41:39 AM
Thanks again Edward, I will contact you off line for further converstion about your chain case componenets. In the meanwhile following up on James' suggestion, I tracked down a source of new Indian (Eastman)components for new roadster parts that are supposed to be interchangeable with DL-1 components. "http://www.yellowjersey.org/eastbits.html"
Tommy
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by tommy on 1/14/2005 at 4:58:42 AM
Dear James,
How do I contact one directly from this page? You mentioned on the "Roadsters" web page that you had a couple of chain case bodies around. Did you say they were Pashley or a substitute? Are they the same? If so, I'd be interested in relieving you of at least one of them. If they differ, I'd like to try both to see which might fit better. What condition are they in? My Pashley does have its chain case in tact, albeit without the pie plate. But my case is quite bent, hence my interest in what you might have. Let me know how much I can give you for them, plus shipping, and where to mail this to you. Thanks bunches!
Tommy
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by tommy on 1/15/2005 at 2:17:30 AM
My last message was intended for Edward, not James. Thanks, T.
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wanted Chain Case for Pashely posted by Edward in Vancouver on 1/15/2005 at 8:39:26 PM
Try info@chatterboxbc.com/anitspam (remove the anti-spam)
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AGE / VALUE:   Marcelo's web site posted by: sam on 1/9/2005 at 2:52:44 AM
Check out this link to Marcelo's site and it has a link to his Roadesters---great photos
http://www.bikemagazine.com.br/especial/bmx_pantera/bmx_pantera.htm
---sam
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Marcelo's web site posted by Tommy on 1/13/2005 at 1:56:06 AM
Thanks Edward,
Yes, I didn't want the plastic option. And yes, the Pashley metal case appears to be the same or similar to the Raleigh case, mounted the frame in the same manner. I know this because there was one for sale a month or so ago on ebay to my amazement and delight. Rather than immediately "buy it now" for 12 bucks, I e-mailed the seller the question of whether his Raleigh Sport Chain case disc would substitute for a Pashley. While I was waiting for his reply which never came, someone else "bought it now". I contacted the new buyer; he didn't respond either. Oh well.
Tommy
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   can eneyone help? posted by: jill on 1/7/2005 at 10:23:24 PM
my dad has a raleigh cycle with original documents he bought it in 1948 for his 21st birthday (he was born in 1927) his raleigh is dark green and is fitted with the original and genuine sturmey-archer three-speed gear the number of his bike is 645561p and he has a rear dinamo with lamp but he needs some new parts for his lamp,can eneyone help us? it is in excerlent condition as he has always treated as his baby(as it was the first thing he ever bought)it is a bit heavy for him to ride now so he keeps it loveingly locked away only bringing it out to clean and cheek tire presure,i look forwar to hearing from eneyone and may i add my dad is going to love this site
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: can eneyone help? posted by sam on 1/9/2005 at 11:07:38 PM
I'm sure someone here can give a little help---just tell us what is missing or broke?---sam
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